Mag wrote on Oct 20, 2007 10:59 AM:
" Guess they didn't get the "character counts" lessons. "
residential victim wrote on Oct 20, 2007 12:54 PM:
" The Cop should have kept going , the less of these punks breathing is a better service to the community. My house has been Tagged , windows broken and we were broke into and robbed while away at a school function. We have to put anything of value in our trunks just to take the kids to a high school football game just in case we get robbed again. "
Good Job HPD wrote on Oct 20, 2007 1:39 PM:
" And the public says the police department does not patrol the neighborhoods. This is a key example as to why the Hanford Police department needs better pay and more officers. There was one officer to deal with 30 gang members for who knows how long until back up responded. Good job to the officer who responded. "
Great Job wrote on Oct 20, 2007 10:54 PM:
" I hope parent's know where there kid's are.
This could have been alot worse if this officer had not come in time.
My prayer's to the one stabbed and to the parent's
Please get in with the great program at the probation dept.
Las week there was a safety fair at the hanford mall just because of someone caring of what happens in our town.
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Great job by the officer you saved this child of getting any more.
Parents please talk with your kids find out who was in contact with this that night.
Takes a bigger person to save one's life than to sit back and another child get's stabbed and no one did nothing.
It could be your's then will you get together with the police to save your childs life???
Someone please help to come up with a new idea for these kids to have something to do in our town.
Let's see how many idea's are out there to be heard.May Gods angels watch over each of the children. Born and raised in Hanford hoping for everyone to come together with great idea's we all want a nice peaceful place to live. "
no gangs wrote on Oct 21, 2007 2:29 AM:
" let them all kill each other "
Alan G. wrote on Oct 21, 2007 12:27 PM:
" Re-posted for your reading pleasure....
This is how I imagine gang fights get started...
"It's always the same old story, gang member #1 says: "Your polo pony resembles a mule and your father went to a second-tier prep school." Then gang member #2 replies: "You sir are a cad and your prep school sends less graduates to Princeton than a public school." Gang member #1 counters with: "My poor uninformed man, a majority of our prep school graduates go on to Harvard, which guarantees higher salaries, on average, after graduation." Gang member #2 then replies: "If it weren't for the fair weather, I'd slap your face with my leather glove and challenge you to a duel, so consider my comment a verbal slap." Gang member #1: "Consider your challenge accepted and don't forget your second in case you fall ill." Then there's this whole choreographed dance number involving switchblades and chains, etc... I don't live in this world, so I can only guess. "
LC HANFORD wrote on Oct 22, 2007 5:31 AM:
" It all started when our board of supervisors voted to build prisons in kings county. Almost all the inmates are from L.A. County so their families move to this area and bring their gang ways with them, and we all know that L.A. has had gangs for years. Thank you board of supervisors for importing gangs into our valley. Oh yeah, for the person looking for an answer to gang problems, there is none. "
Devil's Advocate wrote on Oct 22, 2007 12:05 PM:
" I always thought gangs came into vogue with the movie "Colors" in 1988. It sorta showed that law enforcement can't really effectly stop them. Tagline: "70,000 gang members. One million guns. Two cops." I wish there were only 70k - heck, I'd be happy with 700k. Lately, I've been considering the possibility that we should consider gangs as domestic enemies to be dealt with by our national guard - they're "uniformed" and are founded on the ideas of 1) disobeying the sovereign laws of the US and 2) targeting the people of the US as victims for their illicit activities. I know of several sworn oaths that mention defending the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC... "
Evil Spotter wrote on Oct 23, 2007 1:01 AM:
" If only First 5 were here several years earlier... They could have given these lads a head start in life with some diversity training. That way they could understand the culture behind the other gang. "
happy cow wrote on Oct 23, 2007 2:17 AM:
" Residential Victim you are so right. Let them kill each other. As long as they dont bother any innocent poeple let them do whatever they want to oneother. Why should the police waste their time, then take the gang members to the hospital and waste the hospitals time. Its not right that the police risk their saftey to try to break up the fights. How can we as a community get rid of the gangs? "
Franchise wrote on Oct 23, 2007 4:53 AM:
" "LC Hanford" good post.....It has some FACTS. Not all our gang problems are from the south. aka southerners or surenos. The nortenos are from the north aka Central valley (really delano and north but you get the idea) After they go to prison their families move here and stay. They do like you say bring their piece of crap lifestyle with them. This is the exact reason why the central valley needs no more section 8 housing.....Gangs are a HUGE problem in central valley! Prisons equal Parolee's....Building prison's equals DUMB! "
Alan G. wrote on Oct 23, 2007 1:15 PM:
" Maybe we could have some car washes to raise money for a new program; Shooting lessons for gang members (SLuGM). This way, they'd only hit each other and stop hurting us civilians. They could be taught the proper way to hold a pistol instead of the way you see in the movies where they hold it sideways and can't hit a barn. By eliminating the civilian casualties, it would be an N.H.I. (No Humans Involved) situation. "Li'l Ghost" would shoot "Flaco" and no one would care, "
Gang member suppoted by generational examples wrote on Oct 23, 2007 1:45 PM:
" Democrat’s are weak and showing their "trailer park politics." They support issues that do not improve the party. Their misaligned voters are supposedly a few more percents more well-educated than the wealthier Republicans, and they like welfare spending and abortion limits. Whoa...sounds like religious rhetoric for the poor, to stay knocked-up and sucking up the public assistance to me.Former President Fox of Mexico, sides with U.S. American Republicans.He loves the way they have control over Democrats WITHOUT more moderate views. Republicans love the less informed voter, the ones who really DON'T see the big picture of how their agendas really destroy and undermine their communities. The main point is the religious politicians on either side encourages the rampant barrage of undocumented society, they want the failures, their uneducated parents flooding schools with their children who males eventually boost the crime rates w/their GANG affiliations and their fertile,hurry up get married daughters, the baby is coming creating bigger and NOT for the better U.S. barrios.Their effects to states and cities drain government and create more red-tape choking& strangling citizen taxpayer. Ah...the blur of the religious faithful to protect that grand lifestyle. "
bottom line wrote on Oct 23, 2007 7:48 PM:
" The bottom line is theese kids need something to look forward to if we can create a program for at risk kids and keep funding for it befor theese gangs get ahold of them then the gang society and mentality would cease to exist adn the ones hanging out on the corners recruting now would have no one to recruit. But we need a program not just for first 5 but for next 13. "
to devils advocate wrote on Oct 23, 2007 8:59 PM:
" YOUR AN IDIOT!!!!! "
I Nominate wrote on Oct 23, 2007 9:50 PM:
" Shoot first then ask who stated it. We need to be a comunity of "0" tolerance in regards to gang activity. I would like to pay more tax dollars on attorney fees defending city police for terminating the existence of gang members. Gangs will take over if they can walk around Hanford alive. One shot one kill. Gangs and thier families will have to find a new town to live in if we start getting much more proactive with this problem. We should have any found gangmembers pictures on display at on the internet and in public places. We should treat them like child molester's and prevent them from living next to schools or children. "
Franchise wrote on Oct 24, 2007 12:32 AM:
" Alan G....That is your best post yet....lol....I'll volunteer to be their range master. Car washes!LMFAO...... "
Family Member of the four.. wrote on Oct 24, 2007 1:13 AM:
" I just w anted to say that it this has some errors.. it was not a 30/30 fight.. 30 nortenos came trepassing the 4 surenos house.. Threatening them.. These four are greatly missed..And shouldnt be charged because they were protecting there family themselves and the house... Yeah they are gang-members.. But like you or anyone else you would do anything to protect your family... They did not want trouble.. And werent provoked..What one of them did was wrong and very crucial..But Why did the wounded Guy look for trouble? He shouldnt of never trepassed their property and surround the house.. that was not meant for... I hope He get well.. And i hope my family will soon be once all together...and for my 2-month old baby too be in her daddys arms once again....And for the hanford police department... You should of treated this Much better... "
knows wrote on Oct 24, 2007 3:41 AM:
" We could let them kill each other, but then they would get bored an what ever of them was left would come after the good citizens. So like it or not I guess we need to find a way to deal with them. Maybe stricter laws ,less making deals. We could send them to war to fight. That might get it out of there system. If nothing else they might have a change in attitude. "
fed up wrote on Oct 24, 2007 1:17 PM:
" Ok, so here why are the people of hanford not storming city council meetingd and demanding more, more police, more gang intervention, more 0 tolerance, put your money where your mouth is
"
Alan G. wrote on Oct 24, 2007 2:17 PM:
" Dear "Family Member Of Four", aside from the recent altercation, don't you think it's time to change your life? You said you have a brand new baby with a gang member. Is this the life you want your daughter growing up in? Was it your dream as a young girl to one day grow up and have a child with a gang member? Do you want to subject yourself to a life of drama and conflict and arrests? Constantly worried that people could come by your home and start fights because of this whole lame North/South thing? I would hope that you have an epiphany and follow a path where your daughter has a chance to go to college and perhaps elevate herself. I'm guessing you're young and find bad boys exciting, but if you're not careful, your grandchildren will have the exact same experience as you. You are in the driver's seat, you just need to decide which direction you want to go. I just hope it happens before your daughter is hit by a stray bullet or has a child as a teen. Good luck. "
Devil's Advocate wrote on Oct 24, 2007 4:23 PM:
" Dear "to devils advocate," It's been said before, most recently by me. Don't worry, I'll try to be smarter, but stupid is as stupid does, so there's not much hope. And to "Family Member," if being a sureno is more important to your baby's daddy then being there to BE your baby's daddy, you might want to rethink having him around. Nobody when they're old thinks back at the joys of being in a gang; they do take joy at seeing their children do better than themselves. But that won't happen unless you choose for it to be that way for them. The nortenos would not have come there if he hadn't chosen to be in a gang - think about it. "
Chuck wrote on Oct 24, 2007 4:57 PM:
" Now was this victim that we call him apart of a Gang? My money says yes. To Family Member of the four... were those 4 surenos apart of a "gang" because if you are apart of a gang this activity is what you have to deal with. "
to family member of the four wrote on Oct 24, 2007 5:37 PM:
" ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?! "
Jay wrote on Oct 24, 2007 6:51 PM:
" There are many types of gangs, but the gangs that are threatening our way of life her in the Central Valley is mainly contributed to one thing... illegal immigration. No, these kids are not all illegals, but most of their parents are undocumented. These (ignorant) kids all claim one prison gang or another, Norteno or Sureno. Nortenos wear red, and Surenos where (Dodger) blue. These gangs were started in prison and have spilled over into the main stream Latino culture.
These gangs, like the ones in the inner city, stem from poverty and drugs. They also stem from young girls giving birth to more kids than they can care for, and then expecting someone else to provide for them. It's a vicious cycle and we need a pragmatic approach, however it will not be done due to the labels of racism and discrimination. No matter how you cut it, it is overwhelmingly the Latino culture involved in the gang violence especially in the border states, and as the Latino population grows, so will the gang violence. It's the cold hearted truth! "
CJ wrote on Oct 24, 2007 7:39 PM:
" Well, Family Member sure summed it up. "Yeah, they are gang-members. But like you or anyone else you would do anything to protect your family." This girl actually believes what she is saying. No wonder the problem only gets worse by the day. Unfortunately that baby will most likely grow up and make this girl proud, just like his daddy. Face it, families like this are generational. We will always have to clean up their messes, support their children and their habits. And be victimized by them. Family Member, you are pathetic, don't compare your family to mine. "
Okie wrote on Oct 24, 2007 10:53 PM:
" Moved from Hanford a year and one-half ago. Had we been in Hanford we would have heard all of the excitement on the scanner. Now the only thing we hear is when someone's cow gets loose. Gosh, we sure miss the gun shots, getting stared at if we were standing in our front yard, loud, obnoxious music, having our vehicles tampered with, not being able to go out at night for fear of getting robbed and the gang fights we used to see in the street out front. Ya'll come back now y'hear! "
I Nominate wrote on Oct 24, 2007 11:21 PM:
" So Fed Up are you fed up with the gang problem or the blogs? A lot HCC meeting start with folks going up to the councel and complain about gangs, tagging, and unkept city eyesores.
If the HCC is listening the people of Hanford have spoken. "
knows wrote on Oct 25, 2007 3:21 AM:
" I think Alan G is getting soft. But I like what an ho w you put your words. Sometimes a soft word gose farther than loud ones. "
Alan G. wrote on Oct 25, 2007 11:25 AM:
" Hey "Knows", you are correct. In this case I felt that soft words would go further. If you yell and attack, people get defensive and will not be receptive to the message. It's interesting that several others chose the same tact. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Oct 25, 2007 3:38 PM:
" Hard vs. Soft? I heard that, Alan! "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Oct 25, 2007 3:47 PM:
" By the by, isn't ‘gang culture' legitimate under the premise that we all must CELEBRATE diversity? Just like ‘gangsta rap' is defended as a ‘cultural expression?" If gangs stopped their violence and crime, isn't that something we should all work for? Don't attack the gang - they are just acting out the frustrations of an oppressed and misunderstood segment of the American experience. First Five: could we have some diversity training here? "
campos wrote on Oct 25, 2007 4:12 PM:
" you people are a joke most of you think you know how it works just by watching movies. I lived the life and it's not easy ever where you go watching your back not knowing if you will get beat up,stabbed, or even shot. Yeah i got my own self into the gang life and did my share of dirt. I was a kid that my dad left when i was young so my mom had to work more. I made my homies my family and that started out the gang life for me. But don't get me wrong anyone i can talk out of that life i will. I had alot of people scared of me and for that i had power. Now that i look at it i am ashamed that i was that way. I have 4 kids now and moved away from central cali. I will never forget who i was but at the same time i don't want my kids to find out my past. I don't want any of them to follow my footsteps. My point is that people can change they just need a boost sometimes. not all are worthless. "
FORMER INLAW wrote on Oct 25, 2007 4:54 PM:
" I WAS MARRIED INTO A FAMILY WHO THOUGHT THEY WERE THE BADDEST GANG MEMBERS IN THE AREA BUNCH OF GOOD FOR NOTHINGS. GLAD I GOT ME AND MY KIDS OUT OF THERE REAL QUICK. I NOW HAVE SOME VERY WELL BEHAVED, EXCELLENT KIDS WHO HAVE EXCELLED ACADEMICALLY WITH HOPES OF PURSUING CAREERS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. THEY WILL PROBABLY BE ARRESTING THEIR OWN RELATIVES IN THE NEAR FUTURE. JUST WANTED TO SAY CAUSE YOU START OUT IN A SO CALLED GANG DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO STAY IN THAT SITUATION. I HOPE THAT THE FAMILY MEMBER WHO HAS A BABY GIRL WITH ONE OF THOSE CLOWNS HAS ENOUGH SENSE AS A MOTHER TO GET OUT NOW BEFORE HER CHILD ENDS UP A VICTIM. I GOT MINE OUT AND HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS COME MY WAY SINCE I CUT MY TIES WITH THE EX IN LAWS GOOD FOR NOTHINGS! "
Jay wrote on Oct 25, 2007 6:22 PM:
" To Campos: We all live the life every day in California, because we are surrounded by it! Our kids cant wear certain colors to school, police officers walk the school grounds and our tax dollars are being spent on numerous emersion programs, all due to gang violence. All cultures have experienced poverty at one time or another, and until the Latino culture realizes that dropping out of school and having children while youre a teenager is a formula for failure, they will remain in poverty. The Latino Catholics use the church as to why they will not use birth control, yet most (not all) of the single teenage girls having children are Latino. Does the Catholic church condone sex out of marriage? When these young girls have children (or multiple), they cannot raise them so they are unsupervised or reared by the grandparents. By the times these kids are teenagers, they are tired of poverty so they turn to drugs and gangs to earn their respect. While in the gang, they parent a child of their own... and the vicious cycle continues, fueled by La Raza (AKA immigration). "
I Nominate wrote on Oct 25, 2007 9:08 PM:
" I am glad to see stories like CAMPOS. But at this point how do you turn this problem around NOW. I do not have time to wait around until these idiot's kill another kid or ruin another kids life AND HOPE IN THE MEANTIME THE IDIOT JUST MIGHT TURN AROUND. I say get a posse together and get 1800's on thier $#@@.
"
mom also wrote on Oct 25, 2007 9:23 PM:
" Hey campos
I hope you had the nerve to say you were sorry to your mom working hard to raise you and you just wanted to be another punk on the street saying that was your family instead of helping your mom and made something of yourself for her to be proud no she most likly had to worry about you while she was out trying to make money to feed you.
I raised 4 on my own and proud of each of mine that they thought enough of me to make me proud
Each have great jobs and make more than i did working to feed them all. How about You?? "
knows to campos wrote on Oct 26, 2007 2:19 AM:
" It is good to hear about someone making it out of the gang life. We need to hear more about that and how you did it. I would think that could give others hope. "
to Camos wrote on Oct 26, 2007 7:52 AM:
" Waaaa, waaaaa... My mommy didn't love me, my daddy wasn't around. AT LEAST you admit on some level that YOU got yourself in a Gang. Look in the mirror and tell yourself over and over again. YOU DID IT. "Power", HA! I laugh in the face of you power. Take it from a woman who didn't have a dad and whose Mom is STILL in prison. I didn't join the gang in my neighborhood. I didn't get pregnant, but I DID graduate High School AND college. I did back ccme home and became a Lawyer. I would love the opportunity to prosecute you for your haneous acts that brought you "Power". Stop making excuses! "
reality check wrote on Oct 26, 2007 10:48 AM:
" first let me start off by saying you guys are quick to run your mouth from the sidelines.......when something goes down no one has enough courage to say enough is enough and speak about what was said and done. as for "JAY" you are stupid to think gangs come from illegals. Have you not heard of the white, black, and asian gangs. I guess not as for all the people who say let them kill each other off what is wrong with you? we need to help these kids that were mislead. as for the "family of four" well let me just say I know personnaly were you are coming from and to be honest some of what these people are saying is correct. if you are involved in gang activity it comes with all the prices. you can not gang bang and expect no one to step up to you. we should not give up on these kids. "
Devil's Advocate wrote on Oct 26, 2007 12:54 PM:
" OK, I only know of two things we can do right NOW to stop gangs. The first is based on my personal theory that most evil in the world come from men choosing not to be real men. Responsible Men. Campos lived it, Family Member is starting it - single moms can't be dads, and they since they don't have someone to share the load with the kids are left without supervision while mom's at work. So couples: Adopt a single mom and her kids, particularly if you are slightly older than her, have raised or are raising your kids successfully, and have been married to the same person the whole time. Especially if her kids are boys. Have dinner with them every week, take the kids to fun stuff around town, step in dads when he sasses his mom and tell him, "Real men respect their mothers." Essentially becoming a family for the fatherless. This will cut off the flow of new gang members. The second thing (done after the first) would be to "go 1800's" on existing gangs. Enough die or get locked up FOREVER, the gang disappears. "
Concerned wrote on Oct 26, 2007 1:29 PM:
" I am saddened by the misguided views and the lack of education that some comments project.
This gang problem is not a "people" problem, it is a societal problem that stems from poverty, poverty supported by poor schooling and mondern day segregation. The effects of institutional racism influences the development of disengagment from society and those thought to be doing this, in gangs case, society. But be reminded that this is not a problem that comes from LA, it is a problem that stems from the roots of this established society, a society with conservative views that doesnt foster ALL of its people, but is specific to those born with certain characteristics. God bless us all. "
homeless wrote on Oct 26, 2007 4:09 PM:
" The question comes to my mind that this started over tresspasing. Most of us know the number to 911 and if the situation progress to the point that they make entry into the home before the law got there you push them out with gun powder , if you dont have priors keeping you from using your right. they are like animals that mark hydrants the problem is they hurt people that dont deserve it, why not go out to the country and settle this crap instead of destroying good neighborhoods. I never new my Dad and mom worked to jobs, its a personal choice to do good or bad, it did not just happen to these people it was a choice. "
Jay wrote on Oct 26, 2007 4:14 PM:
" Reality Check, before you call me "stupid" you need to read all my post! I stated in my first post on this topic, that there are many types of gangs, however the ones which are causing 99% of the problems in Kings County (not LA) are Hispanic gangs. Even in Watts and Compton, are you aware the Latino gangs are running out the black gangs? You obviously are the naive one, and trust me when I tell you I deal with gangs on a daily basis and know them well. Your obvious liberal attitude is what allows this to happen, and until we take a pragmatic approach it will only get worse. My attitude is based on what is real, not what I wished was happening. Read the Sentinel and look at who is being booked into our jail... its predominantly Latinos. These stats dont lie, and are not prejudice. Immigration is fueling the gangs and anyone who claims it's not, is ignorant to the fact! As with terrorism, we better deal with gangs or it will continue to cause causalities and only get worse . "
rediculous wrote on Oct 26, 2007 5:52 PM:
" Did Campos blame the fact that his dad left and his mom had to work for the reason he joined a gang. BS, he joined because he was just like them, young and stupid. My dad left my mom with four kids and very little money. Guess what I did. I worked around the house when I was too young to get a job so my mom would have time for us when she got home. I got a job when I could so I could help with the bills. The four of us kids pulled together like a real family so we could make things better. Campos ran out on his mom when the goin' got tough and he ran out on the gang when the goin' got tough. It seem to me that the only time Campos was tough is when he had a gang to fight. What a coward they all are cowards. Get anyone of them one on one and see how tough they are not. "
I Nominate wrote on Oct 26, 2007 7:57 PM:
" I Nominate Jay to lead Hanfords anti gang posse. "
to devils advocate wrote on Oct 26, 2007 8:54 PM:
" YOUR LAST COMMENT WAS STUPID AGAIN!!! . "
to rediculous wrote on Oct 26, 2007 9:15 PM:
" I never ran out on my mom and i never ran out on the gang. I moved my mom to the town i live in and i support her so she don't have to work hard. That is my appreciation to her for all the hard times i caused her.Yeah i'm not proud of all the things i did but that is my past and i can't change that. All i can do is make my future better.As for the gang i did't run out on them. Itried to stay and change my life, but the youngsters trying to make a name for themselves would not let that happen. They came to my house three times a week and that gets old. I had to think of my family and the last straw was when they shot up my house.So my only option was to move.So if you want to call being smart and getting a fresh start running out on my gang then i guess i did. "
Franchise wrote on Oct 27, 2007 6:49 AM:
" To Devil's Advocate....Nice post about the dad's...I agree with you a million percent. I am on the front lines every 3rd night with my "boys"....My city has declared war on gangs....We ar e taking the "fight" to them...My shift especially has taken the lead....Good men who are ready to fight the good f ight for our citizens.
Personally I don't care what your "reasons" are for being in a gang...If you come to my city and you are in a gang, associate or sympathize you are going to be dealt with. "
JUSTICE wrote on Oct 27, 2007 12:37 PM:
" YEA I GUESS WITH THOSE ARRESTS STATS BEING FOUR OUT OF APPROX 30 ACCORDING TO THE OFFICER ALL THE PRIMARY SUSPECTS HAVE BEEN ARRESTED, NO WONDER THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE.... MAYBE A BETTER CHOICE OF WORDS, NOT GOOD. "
taxpayer wrote on Oct 27, 2007 1:13 PM:
" Parents and Teachers need to teach respect, and the do gooders need to butt out and bring back the old fashioned butt whipping to kids when in trouble...somehow a time out just does not appear to be a deterant for killing each other., destroying others property, stealing, drugs... Humm, geez it worked many-many years and now look at our kids actions, time out, yeah right. "
whatever wrote on Oct 28, 2007 8:57 AM:
" I agree with taxpayer. Firm parenting is what needs to take place...and for the people who will talk before they think, there is a difference between firm parenting and abuse. When you start out in life weather your mother, father, relative or a teacher tells you, you have choices in life and the choice you take can come with consequences. Grow up people and stop pointing fingers at everyone, cause evey time you point your finger you have 3 more pointing back at you!!
"
Devil's Advocate wrote on Oct 29, 2007 11:24 AM:
" Dear "to devil's advocate," stick around - I post frequently and my idiocy knows no bounds, so you're sure to have plenty to criticize. Have a nice day! "
Alan G. wrote on Oct 29, 2007 11:32 AM:
" I think the most common thread you'll find amongst male gang members is the absence of a father figure. Unless dad was a gang member too. It's one thing when mom can be home to whip them into shape, but when she's out working two jobs, they have too much free time on their hands. If more couples actually got married first and planned for children, you'd probably have less gang members. Generally speaking, of course. "
Franchise wrote on Oct 29, 2007 1:07 PM:
" Please don't believe these gang members are "just kids". Your older, more knowledgable members are calling the shots...the "kid's" are just carrying out orders. Why? Becasue of the juvenile justice system here in CA....juveniles get a slap on the wrist and then receive "treatment" or "counseling"....What a FARCE!! The shot callers stay out of prison and the young hustlers learn the trade.
From my experience either the "kids" are raised in the gang or are recruited into due to a weak nuclear famile. I.E, NO FATHER FIGURE. The mothers are usually not much better either!! "
David Yanez wrote on Oct 29, 2007 1:48 PM:
" I would deport all of these gang members and their familys. "
Hey wrote on Oct 29, 2007 7:08 PM:
" All you people complaining here.Get real this town is growing.There's bound to be all kinds of problems with come along with a growing population.So instead of stupid jokes about car washed and such,are you will to pay for more police?Why not pay them more?And if we do get new police,don't be complaining when they knock your kid around or pull you over and search your car,or be rude to you.That's what you want isn't it?Mean cops?If people don't want gangs in their neighborhood,DON'T rent to them.And family of 4,pluzeee girl .You choose the life,you deal with it.Your house?Huh!Your people are always fighting over something that doesn't belong to you.You will never have anything that belongs to you if you keep it up.Your man will end up in prison and you'll end up some old lady on a bar stool with loads of makeup all drunk hitting up on guys with no teeth..Your daughter will be lucky if she gets out. "
Reality wrote on Oct 29, 2007 10:11 PM:
" Everyone is blaming everyone for gangs. I have worked with the youth of Hanford, the so called gangbangers, these are young kids that don't even know what a real gang is. Most of the kids here belong to street gangs, not prison gangs. There is a big difference, however, probally 90% of these kids will belong to a prison gang in the near future. It is truely a sad situation, but only they have the ability to change themselves and they have to want to change. The kids I worked with all had some family member that was involved in gangs, a lot of them try to blame their involvement on their family, living conditions etc...bottom line it's their choice. And with that choice comes possible incarceration, so if you are going to belong to a gang get used to doing time and quit crying about it. As for the girls that choose to stay with their wannabe gang member, shut up and learn how to put money on thier books and get familiar with visiting times and what you can and cannot bring in. It's all a chose for them and job security for others. "
Fed Up wrote on Oct 30, 2007 3:06 PM:
" Okay "fed up" I see you are back again just when I take a break and leave the blogs for a few days. Since you refuse to give up your squatting rights to my moniker (name), I guess I'll have to think up a new one - but until then please type in complete sentences with as few errors as possible please...now onto the topic: I also am in favor of the law of nature reduction. I've even come up with a plan for the old Wal Mart eyesore. Every Friday night, the doors are thrown open and during the hours of 10 pm - 2 am it's a full on battle of the gladiators. Who ever walks out alive can pick up a coupon good for a free pint of Cold Stone Ice Cream. Clean up starts at 3:00 am sharp. I do believe this little plan solves numerous issues ie.. public safety, reusing existing commercial property and who doesn't get a happy feeling when they eat ice cream!! "
Franchise wrote on Oct 30, 2007 11:44 PM:
" Hey reality, these "kids" are learning from the "real" gang members you mention With our area being surrounded by prisons we do have "real prison" gang members in our community...ie. parolee's. They lay low though, let the young kids do the work on the "street". Again, they know the "kids" wll be slapped on the wrist, where they themselves will be 3056'd or if not on parole then face real time. Agree with you on the choice angle....And money on the books...lol, so true, so true... "
sergeant slaughter wrote on Nov 1, 2007 12:07 AM:
" perhaps a war on poverty rather than a war on drugs would help :) "
War On Poverty wrote on Nov 1, 2007 1:43 PM:
" The War on Poverty would have to take place in Mexico to do any good here. "
TRUTH IN JOURNALISM wrote on Nov 1, 2007 3:45 PM:
" If you think that erasing poverty will change the gang mentality, you are sadly mistaken! "
lisa wrote on Nov 1, 2007 4:00 PM:
" Wow-how ironic that everyone is talking about dealing with violence by using violence. We can blame other cities, but I think that this shows where the kids get it from; requesting that the cops shoot first, etc-how sad. Kids in the Valley need more to do than accessing meth labs and having unsafe sex. Keep up this mentality and absolutely nothing will change! "
Lisa...I don't think you mean ironic... wrote on Nov 3, 2007 4:58 PM:
" It's not irony you are reading....although you feel some sort of contrast for the use of violence...there really is no contrast. I think you found a conscious hypocrisy for the use of violence to fight violence...fight fire with fire. No contrast there, irony is a difficult term to use correctly. "
TO TAXPAYER wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:25 PM:
" You sound like a very unhappy person. Just because you pay taxes like the most of us do does not mean you can say beat kids. There are mettings that you can go to for your problems. There is also AA mettings. From another taxpayer "
Dear LIsa wrote on Nov 8, 2007 8:28 PM:
" You are correct. everyone does seem to resort to violence when they cant think of any other way.
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juan wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:52 PM:
" in Richgrove i seen alot of gang violance between richgrove(surenos) vs. delano(nortenos)
I seen 11year old kids been in gangs. I am sick and tired of gangs.mexicans fithing mexicans whats up with that. "
ale wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:38 PM:
" deam this kids are crazy!!!!!!!!! the hanford police dep. needs to do something smart to stop this .They think that by puting them in to jail there gone to stop but not they come out worse !!!!! do something SMART. make a program for gangster with ex gang members!!! "
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