Devil's Advocate wrote on Dec 27, 2007 5:50 PM:
" OK, show of hands around the room for anyone that either : 1) Became Pregnant/Caused A Pregnancy WHILE Using Contraception, or 2) exists today because THEIR PARENTS were in category #1. Yeah, that's what I thought. Contraception only reduces the odds, which in turn go up when rabbit-like teenagers think they can do it ALL THE TIME because its "safe." Its still russian roulette. Wish I'd waited. So does the girl I knocked up. "
Not so mad in Nevada at the moment wrote on Dec 27, 2007 6:55 PM:
" I was going to stay out of this one- yeah that lasted for about 20 minutes. I think it would be a bigger mistake to not encourage your kids to wait. My oldest will be 13 on Sunday- I have been married 12 years- you can do the math and so can my kids. But they also understand that wasn't the best choice to make. A child deserves a mother and a father and while it worked out for me. I got lucky. That's not the norm. And I grew up way too fast and while my friends could go hang out after class when we went to college I had to go home and take care of my son. While I love him to death and couldn't see my life with out him. I should have waited. Teenagers need to understand the emotional consequences of having sex too young or before you are married. They need to understand if someone really loves and cares about them they are worth waiting for. "
Jackie K. wrote on Dec 27, 2007 11:45 PM:
" Not so mad... thanks for sharing your story. You made some very good points. I remember being a teenager -- wow, now that's a long time ago -- and you think you're invincible, and "it won't happen to me." I wish we could take the knowledge we have now as adults, and give it to today's teens. It would have been good if someone could have done that for us, don't you think? "
Not so mad in Nevada at the moment wrote on Dec 31, 2007 1:01 AM:
" Not a problem Jackie, I do wish I had someone to tell me the things I know now. All I ever heard growing up was just don't do it or you're too young to know. Everything I learned was from my things my friends told me or from my own experience. I am in charge of about 25 young girls at our church from the ages of 12-18 and when the topic arises I make a point of telling them about the emotional and spiritual consequences. I think they understand the physcial ones. I can't stop them from making their own choices but I know that with a couple of them the things I have said to them have been in the back of their minds and they have thought twice about their choices. And I hope that my own kids will remember those things as they get older. But I think it's hard for teenagers to understand that "Hey I have been there once- I know where you are coming from" Besides what do "old people know anyway" :) "
Scott Tucker wrote on Dec 31, 2007 12:17 PM:
" Dear "Not so Mad...", I enjoy your comments and appreciate your candor and openness. Growing up, many of my good friends were LDS members, and from what I have learned from them, I can only assume that the LDS position on premarital sex is that of abstinence. You have said that ca. 25 girls/young women are placed under your guidance, and that when the topic of sex comes up, you have made it a point of telling them about the consequences. Do birth-control methods other than abstinence enter the conversation? It may not be your role to inform these girls/young women about the pill or condoms, but I just hope for their sake that these girls/young women are fully informed as to what their options are regarding safe-sex and birth-control in case any of them do decide to engage in sexual relations. Knowing all about abstinence doesn't help much when trying to figure out which way a condom goes on. Have a Happy New Year! "
Not so mad in Nevada at the moment wrote on Dec 31, 2007 7:51 PM:
" Hey Scott- You're right- unfortunately it is not my role to inform these girls about anything other than abstinence in a church setting. But there are a few of them that have come to me on a personal level as a friend outside of church and I can tell them how I feel about birth control then. I wish I could tell them more because in reality you can tell them not to all you want but if they really want to they will do it anyway. They know that unless I feel it is a life or death situation that I am not going to run and tell their parents. They also know I may not agree with some of the things they do but that no matter what they decide that I still love them and will be here for them. Also unfortunately so many of them are sheltered way too much and I have seen many of them running wild when they did get "freedom". While they need some shelter, yes, they also need to be informed about the world because they won't always live with their parents. "
Not so mad in Nevada at the moment wrote on Dec 31, 2007 7:52 PM:
" And Happy New Year to you guys too! "
Deborah L wrote on Dec 31, 2007 9:52 PM:
" Juno is such a fantastic movie. My parents were very open about above mentioned topics and it paid off. I was able to ask them any question. As a result I never felt the need to experiment. Being open and honest in a responsible way is the best thing you can do for your children. "
SJT wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:56 PM:
" Can't see Juno in Kings County theaters. Had to go to Visalia, but was well worth the trip. The movie deserves all five stars given it by reviewers and it made me, a d-a-d, a little misty in a few spots. Cannot imagine a good reason that it's not being shown here, though (nor can I imagine who makes this decision). "
AmeriKa wrote on Jan 2, 2008 12:52 AM:
" I wonder why Mr. Tucker does not ask about the parent's role in sex education? He expects a church group leader might be teaching something about contraception techniques other than abstinence. Sounds like a typical liberal or atheist question if you ask me. And, by the way, I do really like and respect 'not so mad in Nevada.' Not so much some others. "
Not so mad in Nevada at the moment wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:45 AM:
" Thanks- AmeriKa. I just wanted to add that our church actually puts a book called a Parents Guide that is for the parents to help them discuss such things with their kids. It breaks it down into age groups I think starting at three all the way up to 18. I couldn't find mine right off when I looked in the shelf so I am not sure how young it starts. But it helps you to know what is appropriate at what age. And there are certain lessons that our manuals tell us to turn over to the Bishop. We are to have the Bishop teach the lesson on procreation. But the rest of that unit we taught and there were some pretty touchy things like abortion. And of course the girls are going to ask questions and I answer the best I can or suggest they discuss it with their parents in those situations. It is easier with the older girls though because they understand some things that say the 12-13 years olds aren't ready for. And I only discuss it with them one on one if when they come to me in confiedence. "
Not so mad in Nevada at the moment wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:47 AM:
" We didn't get to see Juno either. They had a big poster up for it but I don't remember it coming here and we go to the movies a lot. I would like to know who makes those decisions too because we have missed out on some good movies. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jan 2, 2008 1:46 PM:
" Just to help ease AmeriKa's wondering mind, I shall pose the question: What is the parents' role in sex education? I don't ask or expect any of my fellow bloggers to actually answer this question, because it was a question that I never intended to ask in the first place. It's presence here is only to prevent AmeriKa's mind from wondering any further. ("He expects [sic] a church group leader might be teaching something about contraception techniques other than abstinence." I don't "expect" them to teach other methods, but I do hope they are teaching other methods.) As to the, "liberal" and "athiest" question of, "Do birth-control methods other than abstinence enter the conversation?", NSMINATM did a great job of providing an answer, and to her I send my thanks.
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Devil's Advocate wrote on Jan 2, 2008 6:29 PM:
" Mad in Nevad - what's the manual say about when they turn up pregnant? What do you get to say then? Are they looking at an open arms kinda response? Or something else? What's she gonna face from her church? I mean, the contraception talk is all well and good, but with Jamie Lynn the horse is already out of the barn, y'know? (Anybody know who AmeriKa doesn't respect?) "
Mrs.D wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:52 PM:
" You know, schools can teach safe sex and abstinence at the same time. Then the children can feel free to choose what paths to take in lifes journey. The one of waiting for marriage or being a single parent with more problems than solutions. "
Not so mad in Nevada at the moment wrote on Jan 3, 2008 12:27 PM:
" To Devil's Advocate: The churches stand on pregnancies that happen out of wedlock is adoption. If marriage isn't possible they encourage unwed mothers to give their babies up for adoption so that they have the blessings of growing up in a home with a mother and a father. That doesn't mean that they all do. It ends up being a personal choice. But I think it is one of the most loving things they can do, the hardest yes but the most loving. I actually really struggled with this because I wasn't sure if I should keep my baby when I got pregnant at 17. But I lucked out and didn't have to make that choice because I got married. It took a year but we did. But I have seen the blessings in other lives that have adopted babies through LDS services. One of my young women and her brother were adopted and their family couldn't be happier. I could send you some articles about it if you would like. As far as church goes she isn't going to be excommunicated or anything. She may be disfellowship for a year. "
Not so mad in Nevada at the moment wrote on Jan 3, 2008 12:30 PM:
" Devil's Adovocate cont... which means that she wouldn't be allowed to take the sacrament for a year and wouldn't be allowed to give prayers or talks in church. But that is part of the repentance process. And she would meet on a regular basis with the Bishop to see how she is doing with the repentance process. It's not a hateful thing and it is done in a loving manner. I know I have been through it. And I know that great blessings come from it. I can talk to you more about it if you want. "
Not so mad in Nevada at the moment wrote on Jan 3, 2008 1:00 PM:
" Something else I feel the need to add. I really hope that the boys are getting these same kinds of lessons and talks. Because it involves them just as much as the girl. Everyone is always telling girls to watch out for certain types of boys but a girl can lead a boy astray just as fast as any boy leading a girl astray. And if a girl gets pregnant it is just as much the boys responsiblity as it is hers. Ok I'll get off my soapbox for a moment. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jan 5, 2008 3:57 PM:
" Dear "Not so mad in Nevada,"
The more I read your input, the more I like you. You are one heckofa gal!
Keep it up, please. "