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Term limits initiative sparks array of opinions

Who should be the next U.S. president isn't the only thing local voters will decide on Feb. 5. There are seven propositions on the ballot, one of which -- Prop. 93 -- aims to change the way term limits operate in Sacramento. First, a refresher.

Californians approved, by a narrow margin, a measure in 1990 that limits lawmakers to six years in the Assembly and eight years in the Senate, for a combined maximum of 14 years in the legislature.

Assembly members are up for election every two years, senators every four.

Proposition 93 shortens the total years to 12, but enables legislators to spend all of them in one house.

It includes a grandfather clause that allows current legislators to stay in the house they are in, up to a maximum of 12 years.

All in all, it's one of the easiest propositions to read and understand.

Here's how the arguments shake out.

Many opponents of Prop. 93 paint it as a ploy on the part of incumbent legislators to stay in power.

They often mention that Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez and Senate President Pro Tem Don Perata, who will be out of their current offices if Prop. 93 fails, are among its biggest supporters.

"I think the way it's worded, I think it's extremely deceptive," said Danny Gilmore, a Republican who was narrowly defeated by two-term incumbent Assemblywoman Nicole Parra, D-Hanford, in 2006.

Gilmore said the proposition "would have been more palatable to the voters" if it didn't include the grandfather clause for incumbents.

Opponents of Prop. 93 tend to be strong supporters of the idea of term limits.

"You should get fresh ideas in there," Gilmore said.

Supporters of Prop. 93 aren't necessarily against the idea of term limits, but they argue that the current system forces legislators out of the Senate or the Assembly just as they are beginning to develop expertise.

"I truly believe it will help to make state government more efficient and accountable to the people," said Parra, who will have to leave the Assembly this year under current law.

Parra said she hasn't decided yet, but is leaning toward not running again if Prop. 93 passes.

Parra, who has chaired three Assembly committees, insisted that current term limit rules produce less knowledgeable committee chairs.

More or less the same argument is being made by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in TV ads supporting the measure.

Parra argued that dislike for incumbents isn't a good enough reason to oppose Prop. 93.

"OK, but you're just going to have the same inefficiencies and less accountability," Parra said.

Some opponents of Prop. 93 believe that it will do nothing to create greater accountability because it isn't tied to redistricting.

The last time Senate and Assembly districts were carved out, the lines were drawn by the Democrats -- then the party in power -- to ensure a Democratic advantage.

The result, according to David Provost, a professor emeritus at California State University Fresno, is a 100 percent election rate for incumbents "since 2002."

Provost said he would consider approving Prop. 93 if it was tied to redistricting, but without it, he doesn't think it has much merit.

Supporters of Prop. 93 disagree.

Mark Trezza, a Hanford Democrat who works as a political science instructor at Fresno City College, called it "a move in the right direction."

After six years of experience in the Assembly, he said, referring to those like Nicole Parra who have reached the limit, "You're a lot better at it. You probably are."

But Trezza said his "gut" tells him that Prop. 93 won't pass.

He thinks that voters won't want to tinker with a system that has gone unchallenged since 1990.

"It's going to be interesting to see," he said.

The reporter can be reached at 583-2432

(Jan. 31, 2008)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

Sid wrote on Jan 31, 2008 7:44 PM:

" Notion that politicians need to stay around longer to "get more experience" and as one pro-93 add says, "Will make legislators less likely to do the bidding of special interests" is a CROCK!

Senate Pro Tem Don Perata ($350K), Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez ( $300K) and our own Nicole Parra ( $25K) and other politicians all gave to the "Yes on 93" campaign, to stay in power LONGER than existing term limits.

Nunez and Perata PROMISED redistricting on THIS BALLOT along with "term limit reform". Well, we only got the latter. Their priority was THEMSELVES over their promise to the state at large.

The "stay in one house" part of 93 has merit BUT timing of this and the termed out legislators "loophole" is selfish-conniving to the max.

Nunez asked all dem legislators to chip in $50K, his senior staffer Gale Kauffman is the leader of the "Yes on 93" campaign and the Proposition itself was written by Jerry Brown which is quite ambiguous on the loophole aspect for current and already termed out legislators from days past. But note how all pro-93 commercials DO NOT mention its "benefits" to those otherwise termed out. "

Sid wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:00 PM:

" More: Prop 93 is a referendum on otherwise termed out politicians, you know the ones who create budgets with $14.5 Billion shortfalls, propose "spanking" laws, are under FBI investigation (Perata) and who spend campaign contributions on themselves: Nunez especially in trips to Europe, Louis Vutton clothes, French wine and a $1.2 million home in Sacramento where he represents the "poor" of inner city LA and...

...Nunez last $3 million in campaign money he receieved was when he ran against NOBODY. Who gives a politician campaign money when there are challenged by NO ONE? What legislation was somebody buying here?

Politicians need LONGER to get away from special interests? Or how about LONGER in office like this crowd wants so as to feed LONGER at the special interest trough?

What exact fund did Perata, Nunez and even Parra get their "Yes on 93" support money from? Their own personal bank accounts? Really?

If the 93 legislation had applied to SUBSEQUENTLY elected politicians and not given CURRENT politicians EXTRA TERMS, there would be merit. But that is not what we have here.

Vote NO-NO on Propsition 93! Show the bums the door... "

DL wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:30 AM:

" It sounds nice to keep sending a "fresh faces" up there to "clean house" but most new politicians don't know how to do anything until their last few years. Yet everything still moves along due to the entrenched staff and of course the help of lobbyists. Since term limits these people really run Sacramento because they are the only ones who know how to get anything done. Term limits sounded great back in the 90's but people we can’t vote out filled the experience vacuum. "

Alan G. wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Well said, Sid. The sad thing is that many voters will buy into their deceptive campaign ads. Vote NO!!! "

Bobb wrote on Feb 3, 2008 1:24 AM:

" We already have term limits in Calif. This is just an end run around the existing term limits by the legislators who are going to be termed out. If the new rules they wanted were bonefied, they would have excluded the present legislators and had it take effect in 2010, thus being termed out. It is BS. As for the redistricting they promised if we pass 93, it won't happen either. That promise has been around for several years and both parties build themselves "safe" districts. And forget a group of retired judges doing it-they are "owned" too. Let a computer program draw the lines by population and the most square districts as possible and let the votes fall where they may. "

thirdworldpolitics wrote on Feb 3, 2008 11:15 PM:

" The notion that longer term limits will provide more experienced legislators is a slap in the face to democracy and our republican form form of goverment. Our gerrymandered districts do not provide for democracy and are the source of todays political deadlock, thy provide for rule by despots, intoxicated by power. To bad this situation will not change soon. As we see by leftestand facist governments the intent of legislative reform to further term in office is to tighten the grasp on power. We see this with Hugo Chavez, and we it now with California.
The first step to reform is that legislatve boundaries should not be established by politicians. Tomarrow we may find our California type of political rule declared an "abuse of human rights" by denying equal opportunity. "




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