Sid wrote on Jan 31, 2008 7:44 PM:
" Notion that politicians need to stay around longer to "get more experience" and as one pro-93 add says, "Will make legislators less likely to do the bidding of special interests" is a CROCK!
Senate Pro Tem Don Perata ($350K), Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez ( $300K) and our own Nicole Parra ( $25K) and other politicians all gave to the "Yes on 93" campaign, to stay in power LONGER than existing term limits.
Nunez and Perata PROMISED redistricting on THIS BALLOT along with "term limit reform". Well, we only got the latter. Their priority was THEMSELVES over their promise to the state at large.
The "stay in one house" part of 93 has merit BUT timing of this and the termed out legislators "loophole" is selfish-conniving to the max.
Nunez asked all dem legislators to chip in $50K, his senior staffer Gale Kauffman is the leader of the "Yes on 93" campaign and the Proposition itself was written by Jerry Brown which is quite ambiguous on the loophole aspect for current and already termed out legislators from days past. But note how all pro-93 commercials DO NOT mention its "benefits" to those otherwise termed out. "
Sid wrote on Jan 31, 2008 8:00 PM:
" More: Prop 93 is a referendum on otherwise termed out politicians, you know the ones who create budgets with $14.5 Billion shortfalls, propose "spanking" laws, are under FBI investigation (Perata) and who spend campaign contributions on themselves: Nunez especially in trips to Europe, Louis Vutton clothes, French wine and a $1.2 million home in Sacramento where he represents the "poor" of inner city LA and...
...Nunez last $3 million in campaign money he receieved was when he ran against NOBODY. Who gives a politician campaign money when there are challenged by NO ONE? What legislation was somebody buying here?
Politicians need LONGER to get away from special interests? Or how about LONGER in office like this crowd wants so as to feed LONGER at the special interest trough?
What exact fund did Perata, Nunez and even Parra get their "Yes on 93" support money from? Their own personal bank accounts? Really?
If the 93 legislation had applied to SUBSEQUENTLY elected politicians and not given CURRENT politicians EXTRA TERMS, there would be merit. But that is not what we have here.
Vote NO-NO on Propsition 93! Show the bums the door... "
DL wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:30 AM:
" It sounds nice to keep sending a "fresh faces" up there to "clean house" but most new politicians don't know how to do anything until their last few years. Yet everything still moves along due to the entrenched staff and of course the help of lobbyists. Since term limits these people really run Sacramento because they are the only ones who know how to get anything done. Term limits sounded great back in the 90's but people we can’t vote out filled the experience vacuum. "
Alan G. wrote on Feb 1, 2008 12:02 PM:
" Well said, Sid. The sad thing is that many voters will buy into their deceptive campaign ads. Vote NO!!! "
Bobb wrote on Feb 3, 2008 1:24 AM:
" We already have term limits in Calif. This is just an end run around the existing term limits by the legislators who are going to be termed out. If the new rules they wanted were bonefied, they would have excluded the present legislators and had it take effect in 2010, thus being termed out. It is BS. As for the redistricting they promised if we pass 93, it won't happen either. That promise has been around for several years and both parties build themselves "safe" districts. And forget a group of retired judges doing it-they are "owned" too. Let a computer program draw the lines by population and the most square districts as possible and let the votes fall where they may. "
thirdworldpolitics wrote on Feb 3, 2008 11:15 PM:
" The notion that longer term limits will provide more experienced legislators is a slap in the face to democracy and our republican form form of goverment. Our gerrymandered districts do not provide for democracy and are the source of todays political deadlock, thy provide for rule by despots, intoxicated by power. To bad this situation will not change soon. As we see by leftestand facist governments the intent of legislative reform to further term in office is to tighten the grasp on power. We see this with Hugo Chavez, and we it now with California.
The first step to reform is that legislatve boundaries should not be established by politicians. Tomarrow we may find our California type of political rule declared an "abuse of human rights" by denying equal opportunity. "