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Gay parade is in bad taste

Editor: I'm curious, is it possible to be in favor of homosexual rights, yet still object to that ridiculous demonstration of bad taste known as the gay pride parade? An elephant marches down the street while men in mini-skirts and high heels throw condoms.

When did it become OK to do almost anything one wants in public, so long as one can cloak it in a guise of a celebration of life and freedom?

James Kleinhammer

Hanford

(June 16, 2008)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

Mag wrote on Jun 16, 2008 12:04 PM:

" You again? We've been through this already. People get to do whatever they want if it doesn't hurt anyone else. If you don't approve of the spectacle, don't attend. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 16, 2008 3:57 PM:

" You again, Mag?

We have been through this before.

Mr. Kleinhammer has more guts than you, me, and 90% of the posters here in giving us his real name and opinion. He also has First Amendment rights, as Scott and Duane Andre and others would verify.

If you don't like Mr. K's ‘spectacle,' Mag, well just continue to opinionate over at Jackie's Blog section. It's all warm and lovey there, full of diversity and goodness.

You seem to be much more comfortable in the Blogs and I would support 100% your right to remain there. "

What is... wrote on Jun 16, 2008 4:40 PM:

" We held a strait pride parade?? We'd all be branded as homophobes. "

sad wrote on Jun 16, 2008 10:36 PM:

" ....and they wonder why so many people get irritated and vote against their right to gay marriage. "

RobertD wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:46 AM:

" While I understand and tend to agree with what Mag says, I had the surprising and dare I say horrific experience of driving to San Francisco a few years ago for a weekend trip with my family and got caught up in a Gay Pride Parade. It was the very end of the parade where the participants were really letting it out. The display I witnesed with my two young children was disgusting (regardless of hetero or homo) and had to have broken dozens of decency laws. Like James, I support basic gay rights but when such displays occur as I witnessed it hurts their whole movement. "

to RobertD wrote on Jun 17, 2008 9:15 PM:

" My family had the exact type experience about 10 years ago, they were totally obscene in their appearance and behavior. They did not care at all that chidren were present or watching from cars stuck in the traffic jams they were creating. They were flashing, whipping, licking, and on and on. The city of SF has no morals, no ethics, no law enforcement, and no spine. I have only gone back to SF for the airport and basically avoid that city completely. If all gay people want ADULT rights, when will they start acting like ADULTS??? Until then, don't expect me to support your cause or your irritating parades. "

jeff wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:37 AM:

" Mag,
Alejandro is right here; basically you’re telling someone to be quiet about something because people can do whatever they want so why can’t Mr. Kleinhammer voice his opinion? Wait a minute Alejandro you’re telling Mag to be quiet because people in this country have 1st amendment rights so Mr. Kleinhammer should be able to say whatever he wants and Mag should just be quiet about that since people have 1st amendment rights. Gosh this is so confusing who do these 1st amendment rights apply to exactly? "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 18, 2008 7:42 PM:

" I guess the fact is that 1st Amendment rights apply to all Americans, even if - say - they publicly brag in writing about crimes they committed when they lived in the area.

So yes, the freedom of speech issue applies to admitted lawbreakers too. "

Oh My wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:44 PM:

" If you want to hear a lot of hate, just read any comments from gays and their supporters. If having gay sex is so great, why are they the most bitter, angry, unhappy, self-centered people in America today? Because everybody is mean to them? "

Mrs.D wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:58 PM:

" Kleinhammer, they have Gay Pride Parades in Fresno in the Tower District. The most recent one has past but on the Comcast Local, channel 14, I believe, they showed recent Gay Pride Parades. They are in good taste and I have yet to see an elephant on the replays.

Like a show you don't agree with on television, don't watch it. Don't participate in it if you don't want to. "

Did you know wrote on Jun 19, 2008 7:33 AM:

" Is anyone aware that the magical kingdom known as Disneyland has whats called "Gay & Lesbian Day" I saw many same sex couples holding hands, kissing, doing what straight couples would do. I didn't see any vulgar content and if I had I simply would have left.

Some people like Alejandro really have the homophobia thing going on, its hard to tell if some of these comments are real or just trying ot be funny, for instance Alejandro in a last post on gays stated that they are a threat to National Security and they would get blackmailed if they got a security clearance! That has to be the most backwards thinking but the scary thing is this guy probably seriously feels that is true. in any case I had to forward that comment he made to some buddies of mine, no one believed me that people actually think like that out here and people wonder why its called Mayberry!, I would think if Disneyland offers a gay and lesbian day then how bad can they be-Alejandro you should call Homeland on Disneyland they are threatening our National Security big boy! "

Mrs.D wrote on Jun 19, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Gay and Lesbian Day at Disneyland is a profitable event. The park would never turn away that cash flow! They see green and not the rainbow!! "

jeff wrote on Jun 19, 2008 10:03 AM:

" Alejandro, who is bragging about anything? You’re the one who keeps bringing it up. I think you’re biggest issue is not letting mundane subject matter go. Also you’ve apparently missed the entire point I was trying to make. Oh My, where do you get your information from exactly? I had no idea that homosexuals were the most bitter, angry, unhappy and self-centered people in America. How exactly would you label yourself within the context of your statement? Sounds a little bitter, angry, unhappy and self-centered to me. "

Mr Truth wrote on Jun 19, 2008 11:25 AM:

" GAY= 'Got Aids Yet? "

Fanboy wrote on Jun 19, 2008 12:02 PM:

" Disneyland also has Star Wars Weekends. I will go when the little guy gets older and can appreciate Mickey Skywalker. "

Re Mr Truth wrote on Jun 19, 2008 12:27 PM:

" Gay "Got AIDS Yet?"......That was orginal, do you make that up all by yourself? Are you married to your cousin? Oh wait your from Hanford, you are married to your cousin! Get a life! "

Seeker wrote on Jun 19, 2008 12:52 PM:

" I keep reading, "If you don't like it, then don't go." This comment is mising the point that a public place is public....not just belonging to gay rights people, but also to people that don't want such a spectacle...why isn't my right to not have my public space invaded by what I would consider pornographic? Public space is just as much mine as it is theirs! "

corn-nuts wrote on Jun 19, 2008 12:53 PM:

" Mr. Kleinhammer keeps writing hateful letters hoping to affirm his spot in heaven. But does heaven allow people with such hateful hearts? "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 19, 2008 3:04 PM:

" I stand to correct myself: President Bill Clinton ended the practice of denying homosexuals a security clearance so he should be given full credit for this bold stand.

"August 5, 1995
Ending decades of common cold-war practice, President Clinton today signed an executive order barring the Federal Government from denying security clearances to homosexuals simply on the basis of their sexual orientation..."

source: Aug. 5th 1995 edition - New York Times "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 19, 2008 3:15 PM:

" Well, Mr Truth should be able to marry his cousin if he wants, right? Isn't it his human right to choose to marry whoever he loves? "

To Alejandro wrote on Jun 19, 2008 4:20 PM:

" its 2008, just in case you forgot or something. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 19, 2008 7:34 PM:

" Hey, its 2008!

Thanks for the wake-up call.

And it is NOT illegal to marry your cousin in California.

Go check.

While you are at it, see if CA. allows you to marry your own sister or brother.

Wait: can two gay brothers now marry safely? How about lesbian sisters marrying?

Hey: I guarantee you that something like this is being contemplated somewhere in the Golden State as we speak.

These people were born that way; they have rights too! "

Parade content wrote on Jun 19, 2008 8:03 PM:

" I fully support the right of gays and lesbians to assemble and have parades to support their political agenda. However, I do not support their right to violate obscenity laws and do whatever lewd things they want to do in front of children. I do not need to leave a public area because they are violating our public indecency laws and they are not above the law last time I checked. If local parades or Disney parades are not obscene then I support them. If the parades are typical of the SF area then the people in the parades should simply be arrested for public displays of nudity, and lewd contact in public and in front of innocent minors, which I have witnessed AND could not get away from since they don't respect traffic laws either. If you all want to be treated like adults then try acting like adults. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 19, 2008 10:50 PM:

" Alejandro - you are playing into their little scheme, just take Sighs advice and ignore it, and save your statement for a loud and clear victory in November. There are still more of us than of them and they know it, that is why they are trying to provoke you and list you as a bigot. They are the bigots forcing their views on all others, just lay back and we will see who has the final laugh or decision on this gay situation. Gay may revert back to its original meaning come November 2008. They have already converted my vote back to yes from a confirmed no, with all their arrogance and I am sure I am not alone. I don't want to step on anyone's rights but I don't want to be stepped on or looked down on either, so turn about is fair play, isn't it? Their smugness may have won the battle but the war has yet to begin as John Paul Jones said;" I have yet begun to fight". He who laughs first usually didn't get the joke. "

The Oracle Says... wrote on Jun 20, 2008 3:28 AM:

" I fully support gay pride parades in public.....Anyone who wants to walk down the road in leather pants with the rear end cut out of them, should be able to do so. Why would we want to infringe on their rights to public spectacle? I mean our kids should be exposed early on so that they are desensitized to 2 men or women locking tongues in public. And the rainbow colors are pretty...cause you know, it takes a village to raise a child.....Cant we all just get along? I mean our rights mean nothing when compared to groups demanding public spectacles...riiiight? Obviously, its a mockery of everything decent in society. Do I care about gays, etc...NO...Just dont demand more rights than anyone else...Your not special. Live your life, but dont throw it in my face and tell me that its "normal." and please sew up the rear end of those eleather pants...unless you are headed to the bay area. "

Siobhan wrote on Jun 20, 2008 8:56 AM:

" Having been born and raised in Hanford (moved to Texas this year.), and having a Gay brother. Growing up in the valley was not easy. People tend to have an old fashioned way of thinking. In saying that, I am glad that gay rights is progressing in this country and back home in the valley. It is unfortunate to see that people us this forum to attack other writers and to post such disrespectful comments as "GAY=Got aids yet.". Very tasteful and mature. Especially since more hetero sexuals around the world have AIDS than do Gays and lesbians.
I will also say that I do agree about the gay pride parades. The parades are fine and a great way to gather and show support for your peers and gay community. However, there can be some pretty tasteless behavior that goes on in these parades. I would say to be proud is not to be sexually insulting, but mature and respectful. There must be a more appropriate way to conduct a parade than to have certain members march around in bondage and using whips and making a point out of showing as much skin as possible. "

Rebecca Patterson-Kmet wrote on Jun 20, 2008 11:08 AM:

" According to oral tradition, Jewish Rabbis say the cause of the Flood of Noah was homosexual marriages. That was known by early cultures after the Flood and even Sodom and Gomorrah and Ancient Greece and Rome did not allow homosexual marriages. Not until this generation have the laws been changed to allow that. So expect horrific cataclysmic judgments and wars as God lifts His restraining hand from the even greater evils that is lurking to consume the world. Look up Matthias Stormberger's Prophecies on a search engine. He accurately predicted WWI and WWII, even the very date WWI would begin. He said WWIII would begin by 2010 and more people would die in ONE DAY than in all previous wars. He said many nations would cease to exist. The only way to delay such events since they cannot be averted is for the people to repent of sins and reverse such things as homosexual marriages that are an offense to the Lord because there is no power or authority except of God and the powers that be are ordained of God. "

jeff wrote on Jun 20, 2008 1:23 PM:

" Rebecca, please show me any kind of evidence or proof that the Flood of Noah even happened (No the Bible does not account as fact here)? There is no geological or fossil record evidence to support the myth. In that time of the world most people lived and died within 20 miles of their home. If there was a flood that spanned say a 100 mile or so area you might think the entire world was under water when in fact it is not. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 20, 2008 4:13 PM:

" I respect the rich Jewish traditional history given by Rebecca Patterson-Kmet.

So, lets see: it's not only millions and billions of Christians and Moslems that find homosexual sex and ersatz 'marriage' an abomination, but we now see that the Hebrews shared that belief with the rest of humanity.

There will always be those who jump in to attack the culture and traditions of Jews, so it's not surprising that the questioning now begins. Like the silly ‘prove it' challenge concerning Noah and the Flood.

Those who want to know can just google it and get 369,000 English pages for "proof of a world wide flood."

You can decide what you believe in. "

Jarred wrote on Jun 20, 2008 4:22 PM:

" James,

I'm sure the British were saying the same exact thing back in 1776 when we were shooting our muskets (or fireworks) in the air and waving around our flag. It's called independence. It's called the end of oppression. Can you blame them? "

Rebecca Patterson-Kmet wrote on Jun 20, 2008 5:29 PM:

" To Jeff: Read some of Immanuel Vilikovsky of Russia's books that show every culture in the world that has an oral or written history refers to the Great Flood if you do not believe the Bible. The Indians of California say that the San Joaquin Valley used to be a lake. Sea shell fossils used in making roads in many parts of the State of Texas and California and other places prove the underwater world wide flood. What happened to the bodies of the estimated nine BILLION people on the earth at the time of the Great Flood? Volcanos all over the earth were erupting and spitting sulfur into the air. The rain combined with the sulfur to for sulfuric acid. Imagine what a horrible death for the animals and people as they slowly dissolved from acid and disappeared. Noah was instructed by God to pitch the Ark inside and out with tar. Tar is acid-proof, fire-proof, and water proof. There is a mantle of water around the earth that deep wells tap into for city water supplies. Those fountains of the deep gushed out during the Great Deluge.TheARKof NOAH is still on Mt.Ararat, fossilzed. "

Berto wrote on Jun 21, 2008 10:00 AM:

" I'm originally from Hanford and am there every other week to attend to my elderly parents. I'm also a gay, educated professional. Reading some of the postings reminds me once again of how Hanford has not changed in my 61 years.
I will be joined in marriage to my partner of 28 years in August. We have the full support of our friends, and for the most part, our families. Ours has been a committed and monogamous relationship; most of our friends are hetrosexual married couples.
Things will become quite interesting in the coming months! "

jeff wrote on Jun 22, 2008 12:17 AM:

" Rebecca, Immanuel Vilikovsky is a complete hack. Almost every academic in the world has refuted his claims, try reading this http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/gould_velikovsky.html If the biblical account is true how could every other culture in time have a story about the same flood? Doesn’t it state in the Bible that every living thing that moved on the earth died? If this were the case only Noah and his family would have lived to tell the story. "

Don King wrote on Jun 22, 2008 12:16 PM:

" I say break out the circus midgets, unicycles and vaseline--let the clowns dance. This is better than Barnum and Bailey . . . "

To The Oracle wrote on Jun 22, 2008 3:43 PM:

" Hum, seems like you've been to one or a few gay parades since you clearly gave us a vivid picture on what goes on at one. Unless you explained it I would have had no idea what went on a a gay parade. Why? Because I respect their rights and since it's not my cup of tea I DIDN'T ATTEND. You people need to get a life----REALLY. "

Bible Student wrote on Jun 22, 2008 5:23 PM:

" Yes it does say everything that didnt get in that boat perished. And Noah and His wife and their children was all that was left. And they had children and so on and so on.... ofcourse they knew what God had done if there were only a few of them on earth. Who would argue with Noah then? It all when in the history. Recorded and passed on from generation to generation. Were you around 100 yrs ago? How do you know it even existed? By generations of your family and history. Same thing. Go to Amazing Discoveries by It Is Written. See how they found the place where Moses was on Mt. Sanai and how The Red Sea parted. Do your research before opening your mouth to thing you know nothing about. My God is real and No one can tell me He is not, He loves me and you even though you walk around so prideful and ignorant to what He can do. Beware do not mock God He is a loving God but He is also a consuming fire. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 22, 2008 6:17 PM:

" Mr. King:

Having circus midgets prance around in leather pants with the rear end cut out of them is insulting to circus people and midgets, sorry I mean dwarfs, sorry again, I mean little people. "

redoriley wrote on Jun 22, 2008 8:56 PM:

" I think it's kind of ironic that Im reading about all this indignation about a gay pride parade in the hanford Sentinel blog and the big ad next to the blog is for Danity Kane and the Dollhouse at the Kings County Fairgrounds. If the county can sponsor prostitutes showing off their stuff why can't people get over gays playing to their stereotypes? I don't want to see whores so I'm not going to the Fair, I don't want to see queens so I'm not going to parades. What's the big deal? "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 23, 2008 3:40 PM:

" What is this about "Danity Kane and the Dollhouse?"

I thought they were a female impersonator troupe.

Say it ain't so! "

JUSTICE wrote on Jun 23, 2008 4:10 PM:

" PAST GROUPS OF PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO GET A PERMIT IN THIS COUNTY TO DO THIS, SO WHOS GOING TO ENFORCE THIS FUNCTION? IF WE EXCEPT THIS GROUP WE SHOULD EXCEPT THEM ALL IN THE INTEREST OF ALL. BE FAIR ABOUT IT ARE THEY GOING TO ALLOW THE GANG BANGERS TO CONGREGATE AND CELEBRATE, THE KLAN, ETC. THIS GROUP WANTS ITS RIGHTS/FREEDOM BUT WANTS TO INFRINGE UPON OTHERS RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS. I DONT THINK SO. "

tony c. wrote on Jun 23, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Wow, such ignorance! What is it with that stinky Hanford water that has made people such incredibly small minded and judgemental? I am a gay man who grew up in Hanford, I now live in Las Vegas, NV. the epic center of "hetero sin" hetero sex is everywhere... from scantaly clad models on billboards too dozens of strip clubs. and the hookers galore along the glitzy L.V. Strip,Horny young guys come too Vegas by the millions to "get laid" and get stuipid... yet am too presume all heterosexuals are this way? so a few individuals go overboard at gay pride parades.. don't paint us with a broad brush. Las Vegas has a nighttime parade where all the floats are lit up in colorful lights, it's a fun festive event, why even Mayor Oscar Goodman shows up, this year comedian Roseanne Barr was the Grand Marshall! "

jessica m wrote on Jun 23, 2008 6:48 PM:

" the pride parades are not all about half naked men it was started as protest to show that we have rights, back in the late 70's in new york at a club a big fight broke out and a lot of people got beat and hurt by the poilce and if it wasn't for that one drag queen and a few others to say this is not right , the pride parades started out as only protest on a lot of things, and as a lesbian i don't like to see some of the things at pride my self it has trun in to one big party and some of us are missing the point but when i see like the pflag moms walking down that road or the gay veterans then i can say i get a lot of "pride"! in my heart "

jeff wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:22 AM:

" Bible Student, because I don’t agree with your fairy tale somehow proves I have a lack of knowledge? Were you around 100 years ago (Even if you were what does that have to do with a myth that supposedly took place thousands of years ago?)? Just because a story is passed down from generation to generation does nothing to prove its existence. For example the story of Santa Claus is passed down from generation to generation and I think we all know the validity of this story. If one man and his family told this story why is it completely different among cultures? Why is it that many historians can’t agree on where the location of Mt. Sanai would be? Why does the Bible contradict itself in telling the location of Mt. Sanai? Most of the Red Sea claims of finding chariot parts have been proven to be false. The people doing the excavating are not Archaeologists. All of the supposed artifacts cannot be located to this day and there are at least 13 sites so-called ‘experts’ claim to be Mt. Sanai. "

Melissa wrote on Jun 25, 2008 12:13 AM:

" Well put ms Jessica....

But Stonewall took place in 1969...Other than that right on!! Oh yes we LGBTS have been beaten, killed,shamed, and discriminated against.

But we are not down nor out of the fight yet. We find our strength to figt back just as the women did and the african americans. My favorite part of the parade..other than the opening is seeing all the elder couples out. the ones who have been together for over 20 years or are in their golden years....the ones who have had to fight back and hide harder and longer than I. and to know that they did it..gives me the strength to know that I can do it too!!

LGBTQ PRIDE!!!!!!! "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:56 AM:

" Melissa, how could you possibly compare gay rights to what african-americans went through, or women trying to gain equality? Wow. Stop shoving your lifestyle in our faces. Enough already with these ridiculous threads, Sentinel. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 25, 2008 6:07 PM:

" Stop the Presses!

This headline just in today from Reuters:

"Spanish Parliament to extend rights to Apes"

Human rights, to the great apes.

So if this happens here - and we all know that California will be first state to recognize Ape Rights - can I marry one?

It could happen, right?

We just CAN'T discriminate against human/animal rights now, can we?

Besides, since birth, I always felt that I was a silverback gorilla trapped in a mans body. Apparently others knew it too. I remember repeatedly being told in school to ‘cut out that monkey business, Alejandro.' My first girlfriend ever smacked me and said ‘get off of me, you ape!' And the first song I remember liking so very long ago was "Gorilla My Dreams."

Now where can I go for the operation? "

jeff wrote on Jun 26, 2008 10:19 AM:

" Amanda, I take it you would love it if we went back to Bible law? You realize you would become property of your husband and couldn’t vote. When your kids got out of line you would be forced to take them out to the city gates and stone them to death. If you had a shrimp dinner you would be put to death. If a young virgin girl was raped and no one heard her scream she would be forced to marry her attacker. The list goes on and on, oh yeah we would have to bring back slavery and incest. You can’t just pick out the parts of the Bible you like, either it all works or none of it does.
Alejandro, what a great time to be living in the world, thanks for bringing that to everyone’s attention. If anyone wants to read what rights were granted to the apes you can read them here http://www.greatapeproject.org/declaration.php I imagine you could go to Mexico and get your operation - With enough money and when the science is available - and finally start living the life you always knew you were meant to as a gorilla. "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 26, 2008 11:15 AM:

" Jeff, how many times do I have to explain something to you? Study my religion and learn the difference between Old Testament (since that is what you're referring to) and New Testament before you respond.
Oh, and I don't vote anyway, so that one wouldn't bother me. "

jeff wrote on Jun 26, 2008 3:38 PM:

" Amanda, how many times do I have to tell you the 10 commandments are in the Hebrew Scriptures which you follow. Again, either it all works or it doesn’t. So you believe the Hebrew Scriptures were the infallible word of God, that he wrote them exactly as he intended them to be, that they were perfect just as he meant them to be but later on decided he good do a better job so he wrote the Greek scriptures? Matthew 4:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. I guess you think this means only the laws you deem appropriate? I don’t think you understand your own religion. Do you not believe God wrote the Hebrew Scriptures? If not than you should look at the 10 commandments as being meaningless. If you do then are you saying God isn’t perfect, that he isn’t omniscient, that god isn’t omnipotent, that he isn’t all knowing, that he is infallible, that he is wrong, that he makes mistakes, that his word cannot be trusted? "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 26, 2008 9:13 PM:

" Jeff, seriously study and practice Christianity and you'll see how wrong you are. You're ignorant, and you attack my posts on any controversial topic with ridiculous, uneducated responses. Do your homework, and don't get back to me. I know what the Bible says, I don't need to justify it any longer to you. Matthew 10:14, 32-33. "

Melissa wrote on Jun 28, 2008 2:11 AM:

" Amanda,
I can compare them because with these three groups we were all fightl=ing for equality of some sort. We are no less justified in wanting the civil liberties promised by our goverrnment. I can go back further and talk about the treatment of the Irish when they came over....or even the homeless....our prejustices blind us to where some can't see that human beings come in all sorts of bodies and thoughts and desires. what is we all came from that monkey that evoled president bush? you would rather have us diverisified than carbon copied right? "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 28, 2008 9:56 AM:

" Melissa, I would love to see you argue that point with my African-American sister. Being gay and "discriminated" against is nothing compared to being slaves, whipped, tortured, and killed for hundreds of years. So you couldn't get married; big deal! They weren't even allowed basic schooling, or decent food. Sorry, but you're blowing your situation out of proportion. Get over it! There will always be a group who feels like they're not getting what they deserve, but it doesn't mean I have to agree with them. I don't think homosexuality is right, but it doesn't mean I don't like gay people. I don't like what they do, or the lifestyle they live. Just don't sit here and tell me I have to accept you or respect you because you're gay. What happened to respect and acceptance based on character?
Please, please use spell check next time and work on your grammar. It's hard to understand your posts or take you seriously. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 28, 2008 4:20 PM:

" To Melissa, you think you have it bad, how would you like to live in Egypt?

Cairo, May 29, 2008) – A Cairo appeals court’s decision to uphold the sentences imposed on five men jailed in a crackdown on people living with HIV/AIDS underscores the Egyptian government’s dangerous indifference to public health and justice, Human Rights Watch said today. The May 28 ruling upheld the maximum three-year prison terms for each of the five, following a months-long campaign targeting men with HIV/AIDS. A total of nine men have been sentenced to prison so far.

Be Thankful for living in America Melissa. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 29, 2008 12:09 PM:

" "To Melissa, you think you have it bad, how would you like to live in Egypt?"

Now this has to be one of AllForTheWatchdogFred's best comments yet.

Just because Melissa is homosexual, Watchdog Fred falsely assumes that she must also have AIDS. He probably thinks all homosexuals have AIDS. The quoted article makes no mention of the five men's sexuality. They could very well be heterosexual. Or maybe they are drug users who shared a dirty needle. How moronic and insulting can a person get? "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 29, 2008 5:11 PM:

" Scott, the Watchdog never once said that Melissa had AIDS.

He was talking about the lack of HUMAN RIGHTS in a foreign country.

As a worldwide human rights proponent and an educator you should realize that.

I think its time for your second vacation of the year, Scott.

Don't get burned out buddy! "

jeff wrote on Jun 29, 2008 10:40 PM:

" Amanda, how can you make claims about me being ignorant, ridiculous or uneducated (I assume you mean in the context of the Bible?) but offer no evidence to back up your claims? You say I don’t understand the Bible yet you don’t show how I am wrong. Where in the New Testament does it say homosexuality is wrong? "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 30, 2008 9:58 AM:

" 1 Corinthians 6:9
Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Mark 7:20
Timothy 1:9-11
1 Kings 14:24
Romans 1:26-27
and check out this link:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070123195107AAHWFWF "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 10:34 AM:

" To Scott Tucker - once again you twist and destort the facts from something I pasted on here. That article was regarding a gay man who frequented bathhouses if you would care to read instead of jump to conclusions. It's a wonder you can keep your pants on the way you jump to conclusions all the time. Talk about rushing to judgement, verdict and execution, for a man who says he doesn't believe in violence you sure get violent with your tongue in your responses, always name calling, untrue accusations, I never once said that I thought anyone had AIDS or HIV, if you are sensitive to that, it is your problem not mine.
I hope you calm down and relax on that second vacation as Alejandro puts it, sounds like to me those tots in history are stressing you out. You are so quick to put me and everyone else down when you don't have an intelligent comment to make and it gets rediculous that you don't see yourself doing it. Do the research and rebut what I say don't simply follow the story with your finger use your mind too. "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 30, 2008 10:36 AM:

" Oops, Leviticus is Old Testament. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 10:41 AM:

" To Scott Tucker - the above post was not correct I posted and pasted two articles on different subjects. All I was trying to do is point out to Melissa and the rest of you neo-nazis that this country isn't as bad as it could be. There are others that have far less respect for human rights than the United States of America. That is how they deal with AIDS and HIV in Cairo Egypt regardless if you obtain it in homsexual sex or heterosexual sex Mr. Tucker. It doesn't matter to them they punish it the same way with three years in Prison.
So get over it and once again you are guilty of jumping to judgements and not researching the article either way the shoe fits your foot Scholar.
You always try and pick an argument than try and have an intelligent discussion that is why Alejandro and I get a big kick out of razzing you about your dogmatic ethics and rediculous opinions for being a Scholatic Champion. You are so learned but you won't listen to anyone else's opinion how juvenile is that young Teacher of the young? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 10:44 AM:

" To Alejandro - Can you believe this piece of work Scott Tucker now the man is putting words in my mouth and on my blog that aren't there. Do you think they have LSD available in Switzerland?
This so called Scholar of ours is beyond belief, he takes everyone's opinion flushes it down the toilet and substitutes his own without malice of forethought. I hope he does stay in Switzerland, I wouldn't want him teaching my grand nieces and nephews or grandchildren would you? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 10:52 AM:

" To Alejandro - I checked with the Registrars Office in Kings County and you and I were right all this time Alejandro. The scholar is blowing smoke, he has to be a resident living within kings county to vote here even on National Elections otherwise since Switzerland is his place of residence he is not eligible to vote in any elections, I don't care how many passports he maintains. That is per the Kings County Elections Office as well.
Isn't it amazing to what steps we will go to weave a spiders web of deceipt. Typical liberal can't believe a word they say. "

jeff wrote on Jun 30, 2008 12:22 PM:

" Good job Amanda, let’s look at these. Corinthians says homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. The Bible says Atheists will not either but you are not asking for Atheism to be illegal. Mark, Timothy and Romans do not say homosexuality is wrong. That is how you chose to interpret them. Kings is somewhat on the right tract but there are other things Rehoboam did that God was unhappy with. Leviticus is pretty cut and dry, it does state that Homosexuality is wrong and gays should be put to death. Why should these versus be taken as is and others shouldn’t be? Leviticus 25:45,46 promotes slavery, Mathew 7:1,2 says not to judge yet here you are doing just that. Mathew 6:5,6 says not to pray in public. I guess you’re happy that prayer was taken out of school, and you never pray in a public place? 1 Tim 2:11,12,13 says women have no rights to teach or hold authority over men, and should learn in silence and submission. Have your children ever had a female teacher? Have you ever spoke in Church? "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 30, 2008 3:56 PM:

" This isn't about atheism, is it? Leviticus is Old Testament, and you wanted to discuss New Testament.
I am not judging anyone. I have only said what the Bible says. If I tell you the sky is blue, am I judging? No, I am stating a fact, just as I have stated facts from the Bible here. You think I don't like gay people. I know gay people and some I like, some I don't. It's a matter of character. I can like someone all I want but I don't have to agree with their lifestyles! You're the judgemental one Jeff, I've seen that many times.
Please, read all of Matthew 6 before you say it instructs us not to pray in public. It is saying don't be like people who pray and worship and do good deeds for the attention. If God sees that you pray alone when noone is watching, he will reward you greatly. Basically, don't do it for the recognition, pray sincerely. "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:10 PM:

" My son has never had a teacher, neither have my unborn twins, but they are also not "men". I have spoken in church, but never held myself in a position of authority over men. What my husband says, goes in our house.
So I don't go over my 200 word limit, here's one last bit of bedtime reading for you:

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html

Jeff, get off my back! Sometimes I forget how all-knowing you are, and how naive I have been in my mere 20 years on this earth. Now that I have answered your questions, maybe I'll go for a nice long drive in my SUV... "

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