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Military Update: Disabled soldier returning to war, facing ‘stop loss’

One day last August, while manning the .50-caliber gun atop his a Humvee on a dirt road in northern Iraq, Army Spc. Daniel "Joey" Haun suddenly lost consciousness. His vehicle had struck a buried bomb, an "improvised explosive device." Haun was ejected, his vehicle flipped over.

On impact with the ground, Haun's left hand was driven up toward his forearm, crushing his wrist. The surgeon who rebuilt the wrist, using a metal plate and screws, told Haun last year that his infantry days were over.

The blast also blew out Haun's right ear drum, which required surgery to partially restore his hearing. That surgeon warned him to avoid sustained exposure to any loud noises or risk having to wear a hearing aid.

As to head injuries, a neurologist diagnosed the 24-year-old with post concussive syndrome and mild traumatic brain injury, the likely cause of his daily headaches since the attack. Finally, a psychologist urged Haun to get counseling for his post-traumatic stress symptoms or they could devolve into Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder, a more debilitating condition. So while recuperating in a wounded warrior unit at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii, Haun regularly saw a psychologist. He takes the drug Tramadol for his migraine headaches and Elavil, an anti-depressant, to ease his stress.

Adding to Haun's stress is this surprising news: he's returning to Iraq.

Though Haun expected to be separated or retired on disability, Army doctors have cleared him for transfer back to his infantry unit, Delta Company, 2nd Battalion, 27th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Brigade of the 25th Infantry Division. Rather than appearing before a medical evaluation board, Haun will rejoin 3rd Brigade which is to redeploy this fall to Iraq after only a year back home. Also, because Haun's 39-month enlistment doesn't end until January, Haun will have to stay in Iraq under a "stop loss" order. His active service time will be involuntarily extended by at least nine months.

Haun doesn't sound angry or bitter describing his predicament. But he doesn't understanding why the Army wants to keep him. He tells anyone who asks that he would prefer to leave service in January. Yet when he was told of his transfer back to the 2-27, Haun asked that he not be restricted to "pushing paper" in Iraq with the company's headquarters element. So his first sergeant agreed he could return to his platoon, Haun said.

How will he perform there? Haun isn't sure.

"I can't do push ups because I can't bend my hand that way. I can't climb rope. I can't do pull ups. I don't have any strength in my hand," Haun said. "I can't really carry anything that's heavy with my left hand because there's always the possibility of popping some screw loose."

His father, Earl Haun of Crestview, Fla., suggested there's a screw loose already -- with any Army policy that allows redeployment of soldiers obviously not fit for duty. His son is just one of many, Earl Haun said, and it's time somebody called the Army on it.

A Government Accountability Office report in May cited inconsistencies in Defense Department instructions on pre-deployment health assessments.

"During our site visits to three installations," said the GAO, "we found that health care providers were unaware that a medical record review was required, and medical records were not always reviewed by providers conducting the pre-deployment health assessment."

Earl Haun said something sure is wrong.

"He got blown out of a Humvee about 25 feet in the air, his commander told me. He crushed his arm. He's only got 30 or 40 percent use of it. And his first surgeon told him he was done," said Earl, an Air Force veteran who repaired aircraft during the Vietnam era. "Now, all of a sudden, some new surgeon comes in, says 'Hey, you're deployable again.' ... That's kind of stupid. They're sending a kid back over there who's half a man," at least half an infantryman, Earl said.

Joey Haun doesn't blame his company's leaders for his pending redeployment. They didn't expect he'd be cleared for duty. The last doctor who saw him, Haun said, "understands I can't do push ups and climb rope and stuff. But other than that he said I was deployable."

Rep. Jeff Miller (R-Fla.), Earl Haun's congressman, has asked the Army to review the decision to return Haun to full duty, given his disabilities. Miller said he understand that Haun can't pass the Army's Physical Fitness Test.

"I am extremely concerned that this wounded warrior is mentally and physically unable to deploy," Miller wrote, adding that Haun's physical limitations and post-traumatic stress could even put other soldiers at risk.

Haun said he doesn't regret enlisting to fight in Iraq. But most Americans, he said, don't understand how hard assignments there can be. Haun was involved in another IED attack three weeks before he was injured. His platoon experienced at least 10 to 15 IED attacks plus other assaults from insurgents using rocket-propelled grenades and mortars.

Haun said he lost one very close friend. Another buddy was wounded severely in the attack that disabled Haun. During his short stay in Germany last year, and in treatment at Tripler Army Medical Center, Hawaii, Haun said he saw injuries far worse than his. The wounded have Haun thinking about a career in physical therapy when he does leave service. But their wounds and his also have made him more anxious now about returning to Iraq.

"The first time we deployed I was actually looking forward to it because that's what I joined for. I was going to go there and fight and serve my country ... I never believed something would happen to me or to any of my friends. I thought we were untouchable ... Now there are so many more things I've seen. Now I realize it can happen at the blink of an eye. So I'm a lot more nervous about going over again," Haun said.

A spokesman for Miller said the congressman hasn't heard back from the Army on Haun's future.

To comment, e-mail milupdate@aol.com, write to Military Update, P.O. Box 231111, Centreville, VA, 20120-1111 or visit militaryupdate.com.

(June 20, 2008)

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Lyn Fasulo wrote on Jun 20, 2008 4:19 PM:

" Joey is a true Hero and I am personally thankful to him for his service and sacrifice. I believe many Americans would agree with me, we should thank him, salute him, and retire him. If he should re-deploy, please post info so that I could write to him and send packages. I also wish to thank Joey's family. God Bless America and The Troops! "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 20, 2008 5:40 PM:

" Dear Lyn, I can only concur with your sentiments. Spc. Haun and others like him deserve our respect and support. Let's do what we can to ensure their speedy return home to friends and loved ones. "

Tom Aiken wrote on Jun 21, 2008 6:12 AM:

" God Bless America and The Troops, huh? How about God SAVE America and The Troops?
Has more the ring of truth, know what I mean? "

J.H. de Raat wrote on Jun 21, 2008 6:28 AM:

" Anyone who has any thoughts about enlisting in the U.S. armed forces has to know that troops are expendable. I wish Spc. Haun luck and a safe tour of duty in Iraq. Better yet, I hope that the Army has the good sense to let Spc. Haun serve out his enlistment in the U.S. "

joey wrote on Jun 21, 2008 6:36 AM:

" what about the iraqi wounded and the victims of the so called "collateral damage" is there any personal count name by name of them ...i heard they are about 2 millions...war is an ignominy especially if it is for unveiled reasons "

pat wrote on Jun 21, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Bless your heart Joey... "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 21, 2008 12:52 PM:

" If this was some rich Congressman's drafted son, I guarantee he would be retired if sent into harms way to begin with. Some gave some some gave all but Joey Huan has given enough, send him home for good.
Rep. Jeff Miller thank you for stepping up and please make the Army do a thorough investigation into this case. Also could you make sure that Dr. who declared him fit gets orders to Iraq or Afghanistan real soon, like yesterday and make sure he falls under the stop loss as well.
Thanks,
A Vietnam Vet "

Dandre wrote on Jun 22, 2008 12:52 AM:

" Joey, God bless and protect you from the evil, no matter where its coming from
Is that all you VETS have to say?
Punish the Dr?
How about prosecuting the leaders that are behind this garbage! and you thought we were just torturing terrorists!
This is obscene "

Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jun 24, 2008 8:12 AM:

" There are US Marines who go back into combat after losing one or two legs and who have to walk and run on prosthetic legs. They prefer to remain in the US Marine Corps rather than getting a medical dischage. Historically, soldiers who lost an arm in the 1800's in the American Civil War could remain on active duty and shoot with their other arm while holding the horse reins in their teeth. Now this guy has a somewhat disable hand instead of no hand and no arm. I am sure the trauma of fighting brothers and cousins in the Civil War in the 1860's was much more traumatic than a lot of psychological stress today. The bottom line is that there should be a military draft and more people should share the burden of keeping the war over in the Middle East instead of here. In case you don't know, the Muslim nations want to form a Caliphate or Crescent to attack the West. America is hindering that. Imagine a Muslim Crescent with nuclear weapons from Pakistan attacking Europe and America and Israel. WWIII is coming, but the USA is delaying Ezekiel ch 38. "

Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jun 24, 2008 8:18 AM:

" This guy is such a whiner. Lots of guys can do pushups with one arm. It is a sign of profound masculinity. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 24, 2008 9:54 AM:

" It looks as though someone here has been watching too much Monty Python:

ARTHUR:
Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
BLACK KNIGHT:
'Tis but a scratch.
ARTHUR:
A scratch? Your arm's off!
BLACK KNIGHT:
No, it isn't.
ARTHUR:
Well, what's that, then?
BLACK KNIGHT:
I've had worse.
ARTHUR:
You liar!
BLACK KNIGHT:
Come on, you pansy! "

Dandre wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:22 AM:

" Hey, Scott! Where are all the 'lapel pinheads'?
This is the real way they support the troops!
They are too busy protecting everyboby's marriage or checking wellfare applications!
God save our kids from these people!
We should start a petition to stop this practice! "

Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jun 24, 2008 12:22 PM:

" Jack Palance and Jack LaLanne used to go on the Jay Leno show in their 70's and do a hundred pushups with one arm. Western Civilization is on the line and people have to fight with handicaps when called to do so. My ancestors and I have served in every generation in the US military since the American Revolution. My husband served in the US Navy for 33 years AFTER his knee was broken carrying a cot with an injured sailor up a ladder on a ship. He was in pain all his life and kept on serving. He EARNED the title of man. Few do. Solomon said only one man in a thousand is worthy of the name, MAN. "

Mrs.D wrote on Jun 24, 2008 6:04 PM:

" Thanks for doing the job YOU signed up to do. Next time, may be you'll vote Democrat. "

Bradley wrote on Jun 24, 2008 7:23 PM:

" Why doesn't someone take Joeys place that hasn't been overseas or who has tried to get out of a deployment? The military has alot of those type of people that pull that off without even going on a single deployment their whole career. "

SJT wrote on Jun 25, 2008 7:56 AM:

" So there IS a draft, albeit via the back door. And we thought there might be a need to dust off the draft machine for the neocons' 100-year war to protect the Exxon boys, operating the oil fields in Iraq. Spc. Haun, I'm bettin', is just one of thousands, being stop-lossed.. Sending this particular young man back to Iraq is symbolic of the nature of the Bush cabal. "

Blue Falcon wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Ho... have you ever been blown up by an IED; Yeah... I didn't think so.

With that said, this soldier has limited use of his hand and major hearing problems...I'm not totally up to speed on Active Army policy's for deploying soldier that have been seriously wounded again, but in the National Guard, a few things happen just to deploy... starting with half decent screening of your medical records looking for things like injuries (yes they will find it, unless the soldier removed all proof of it, even then, there are fool proof measures). As far as the hearing test goes... one of those has to be done.

In the guard, if you can't hear, you can't deploy... but that's not to say some have not managed to deploy, many have.

After all the medical screening, then he would have to sign a waiver volunteering to go again (because he has deployed already; again this is the National Guard).

With all that said... I can't see Active Army (officers) putting their butts on the line to send a seriously wounded soldier back into combat, but worse has happened. "

Blue Falcon wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:21 AM:

" As far as "Stop Loss" goes, he'll stay in longer then his enlistment contract says he will. Unless, he remains "Rear Detachment" (wow, Hawaii!)

Yes, Army doctors cleared him medically and said he was "fit" to return to his "infantry unit". That does not mean he is fit to be an infantry soldier any longer... his unit then has responsibilities to find him a new Army MOS (Job).

I think this article is a big "eye poke" attempt at the military; bad press. Look, the unit has not even left yet. This is a pre-emptive attempt at making the Army look bad; this soldier is not going to deploy; take that to Vegas!

Once he don't deploy this "story" by "Tom Philpott" will fade away... speaking of "Tom", the guy does report a lot of "benefits" which is good, but he loves to knock the military anytime a wounded soldier don't get paid or their pay is messed up.

Heck, even my pay has been wrong since returning home, where is my story? Oh wait... I told my unit my pay was messed up, and it has since been fixed. "

SJT wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:38 AM:

" Phipott has been a respected military affairs writer for decades, and is usually fairly straight-up - most times leaning favorably toward the Pentagon. There seems to be a common theme among quite a few recently retired flag officers who warn that the military - particularly the Army & Marine Corps - are stretched too thin. Maybe Tom agrees. "

Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jun 25, 2008 6:54 PM:

" To Blue Falcon: You have not seen wars in eras when there was a military draft. Maybe you should hang out at the Lemoore Sportsman's Club and talk to some vets. Maybe they can give you Richard, the former manager's phone number in Minnesota. He survived three helicopter crashes and walked away when others died. He was not excused from service in Viet Nam for being injured. He was a gunner and kept on going. It takes THREE WOUNDS or THREE PURPLE HEARTS to get out of a war zone when there is a military draft, unlike the pansy volunteer military that wants to quit after one Purple Heart. US Senator Jim Webb would be another good person to talk to or perhaps you should read his books. When the 34th member of his squads died in his arms, he had to go on. There was no quitting unless you shot yourself like US Senator Kerry of Massachusetts was suspected of doing to get a third Purple Heart to get out of the war zone. The WWII soldiers/sailors/marines,etc. went to war and came home in FOUR YEARS, pal. Call Zeffy Souza in Stratford and ask her. "

Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jun 25, 2008 6:58 PM:

" To Blue Falcon: My husband partially lost his hearing from lettering in Rifle at Anaheim High School in the 1950's when no ear protectors were given to students to wear. He joined the US Navy and was an expert rifleman at bootcamp. His damaged hearing did not prevent him from serving 33 years in the US Navy, going up through the ranks of enlisteds to HMC and then commissioned attaining the rank of O4. He read people's lips and nobody felt jeopardized by his presence on ships and in hospitals and clinics. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:07 PM:

" Hey Blue it is good to see you active in blogs again. I can't imagine the military droping the ball this bad either, but as you say stranger things have happened.
I know all about that pay thing, it seemed like everytime I transferred that was the last item to get straightened out. But they eventually got it right, I still remember when they brough $2 back and paid us overseas in $2 bills, made you feel like you were rich but in no time guys were trading them for $20 to make it easiker to carry and keep track of.
But, getting back to Joey, and yourself, I think you can ask so much from someone and then you have to give back to them a bit. Your on your down time now and I hope things are going well for you. Did they keep your civilian job for you at least? Take care buddy and it is good seeing you here again. Look forward to hearing more from you. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:55 PM:

" For BF and Alejandro,
There was a conference in France where a number of
international engineers were taking part, including French
and American. During a break, one of theFrench engineers
came back into the room saying 'Have you heard the latest
dumb stunt Bush has done? He has sent an aircraft
carrier to Indonesia to help the tsunami victims. What
does he intended to do, bomb them?'
A Boeing engineer stood up and replied quietly: 'Our
carriers have three hospitals on board that can treat several
hundred people; they are nuclear powered and can supply
emergency electrical power to shore facilities; they
have three cafeterias with the capacity to feed 3,000
people three meals a day, they can produce several
thousand gallons of fresh water from sea water each
day, and they carry half a dozen helicopters for use in
transporting victims and injured to and from their flight
deck. We have eleven such ships; how many does
France have?'

You could have heard a pin drop. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:56 PM:

" For BF and Alejandro,
When in England , at a fairly large conference, Colin Powell was asked by
the Archbishop of Canterbury if our plans for Iraq were just an example
of empire building' by George Bush.

He answered by saying, 'Over the years, the United
States has sent many of its fine young men and women
into great peril to fight for freedom beyond our borders.
The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return
is enough to bury those that did not return.'

You could have heard a pin drop. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:57 PM:

" For BF and Alejandro,
A U.S. Navy Admiral was attending a naval conference
that included Admirals from the U.S. , English, Canadian,
Australian and French Navies... At a cocktail reception,
he found himself standing with a large group of Officers
that included personnel from most of those countries.
Everyone was chatting away in English as they sipped
their drinks but a French admiral suddenly complained that,
whereas Europeans learn many languages, Americans learn
only English.' He then asked, 'Why is it that we always have
to speak English in these conferences rather than speaking
French?'
Without hesitating, the American Admiral replied 'Maybe
it's because the Brits, Canadians, Aussies and Americans
arranged it so you wouldn't have to speak German.'

You could have heard a pin drop. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:58 PM:

" For BF and Alejandro,
Robert Whiting, an elderly gentleman of 83, arrived in
Paris by plane. At French Customs, he took a few minutes to locate his
passport in his carry on.
'You have been to France before, monsieur?' the customs officer
aske sarcastically.
Mr. Whiting admitted that he had been to France
previously
Then you should know enough to have your passport ready.'
The American said, "'The last time I was here, I didn't have to
show it.
"Impossible. Americans always have to show your passports
on arrival in France !'
The American senior gave the Frenchman a long hard
look. Then he quietly explained, "'Well, when I came ashore
at Omaha Beach on D-Day in 1944 to help liberate this country,
I couldn't find a single Frenchmen to show a passport to.' "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 25, 2008 9:59 PM:

" For BF and Alejandro,
I found these in an old email I got and just had to share them with you, hope you enjoyed them as much as I did.
I bet the Swiss Scholar may not approve, but oh well you could have heard a pin drop. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 26, 2008 3:06 PM:

" Thanks Watchdog. I had read those before too.

This soldier has sustained genuine injuries that would compromise both his safety and that of his comrades if ordered back to combat duty. I know this because, well, I'll just say it's an opinion of a 91Charlie for now.

Did you notice that it takes a true Republican and conservative - Rep. Jeff Miller (R-Fla.), Earl Haun's congressman - to do something about it?

Nary a liberal in sight, Watchdog.

Wait until President Obama brings us all of his 'change,' right?
He's gonna fix things, you betcha! "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 26, 2008 3:18 PM:

" Very original stories, Fred. Too bad they were already used here a few months back. Like old jokes, regurgitated fiction usually doesn't sell well. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 26, 2008 4:36 PM:

" To Alejandro - you have very valid points and so did I as you can see the scholar took offense and if they did appear here before perhaps I am the one who presented them but do to all the manure from the sewer offered up by the scholar I forgot.

Yes I did notice it was a Republican who came to Joey's aid but you can bet Scott Tucker, Duane Dandre and Jeff didn't notice.

Good chatting with you again, some people just can't stand it when they are shown a different picture of their jaded impressions of America. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 26, 2008 5:07 PM:

" To Scott Tucker - like a curriculum in a classroom sometimes logic, common sense, patriotism not communistic views must be repeated so those who are of a different opinion can appreciate them. I realized and knew at the get go you would have some biased statement to make some little sound bite you read somewhere regarding those stories and I even forecasted it. So thank you for once again demonstrating to the general public who read your intelligent responses that not all scholars are scholarly and this is why our children and grandchildren are not getting sufficient educations to make chage at a fast food restaurant. They need to be taught the three R's of old rather than new math and something besides how to hate America first in the classroom. By the way is there a different winner in the history books during WWII, that I don't know about? No wonder you don't get the entire terrorist thing and the Iraq War. As Alehandro pointed out it is a Repbulican helping Joey. Other than that you are a pretty nice fellow from all other indications. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 26, 2008 5:09 PM:

" To Scott Tucker - one other thing please give Blue Falcon and Alejandro credit for knowing when they have read something before. I forwarned them that they mave have read them, guess your finger must have slipped off the computer screen when you were reading that part? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 26, 2008 9:24 PM:

" Alejandro - seeing how your scholarly chum chose to try and belittle my comments, I have a question for you? Do you suppose that because the Swiss graduating class of 2007 already heard what the Swiss class of 2008 is going to hear, does the scholar at the end of the year 2007 throw all the text books away and order new one's, hoping he won't hear the same things in 2008? Just curious, I once found a book my brother six years ahead of me had used in the same class, but I still felt comfortable using it.
Boy if that's what a degree does, I am glad I just took the education part of it and skipped the ceremony.
But this isn't about anyone but Joey Haun who will be safer at home for himself and everyone else concerned. Not being able to hear can be a pretty tough thing to over come in combat.
I know I sat next to the barrel of a 5"X38" during my first six months aboard ship, going through ORI and all the various firing exercises, I had that as my GQ station after transferring to the Weapons Office. "

SG wrote on Jun 27, 2008 11:53 AM:

" To Watchdog Fred.
I'm sad that there are people who believe in your little fake stories, Fred, you included. They sure do sound good thoug. First of all aircraft carriers are not designed to provide any significant electrical power to anything external. Second, there are no ports in "devastated tsunami regions" where you could even dock a carrier. So even if you could use it as a power station there's no way to supply it to the shore. Third, even if 1 and 2 were achievable no commander will jeopardize a carrier by letting it sit immobile in one spot, an easy target for an attack.
I dont sympathize with Republicans OR Democrats. But your comment emphasizing that it is the Republican senator helping this soldier just shows how little of your neck is showing from your buttocks. READ! You will find that there are just as many democratic politicians helping vets as there are republican ones (actually more). "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 1:28 PM:

" To SG, I don't know what carriers you served on but how do you think carriers take on supplies while in port? How do you think liberty happens, the only port we pulled into in nine months that we were not moored to a dock was Hong Kong. Furthermore, have you ever been on a Nuclear Powered Aircraft Carrier they do have a capability to supply power to shore instillations. If you ever did serve on a carrier and know so little about them you must have been an attached air wing, I was black shoe and have considerable more knowledge about the inner workings of a carrier than an airwing part-timer would. I notice you didn't dispute the water desalonization process, chow haul, hospitals etc., I don't no what navy you served in but let me ask you did they have wooden masts? Next thing I know you'll tell me they didn't have 4 5"/38" gun mounts on them in 1970 either. Well they did and I have pictures to prove it. Check your facts if you are gonn argue a point, what does SG stand for shore grunt. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 1:37 PM:

" To SG, even when an essex class carrier was moored to a dock for down time and the boilers were shut down and worked on the ship still had power through large cables brought aboard from the shore. Why couldn't you simply reverse the process on a Nuclear carrier and supply voltage rather than receive it. Carriers don't come equipped with power so how do you imagine they build them in dry dock and power lights and equipment while they are being built? Are you beginning to understand how redundant your response is yet. Aircraft carriers are home ported in Sasebo, Japan now and various other countries around the world you think they just sit out at sea all the time? If you think a carrier is at that big a risk then you know nothing about the squadron of other vessels that protect it even at sea, submarine, cruisers, destroyers it's called a flotilla, ever here the term. Try and correct me on something you might think I don't know but don't ever doubt what I tell you about a carrier, I lived on one for two and a half years. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 2:58 PM:

" SG - Fake stories, I believe in one of them I referenced Colin Powell, if you doubt the reality of it, why don't you contact him? Since you seem to have the ear of the world at your beck and call their SG.
Once again what carrier did you serve on, I pretty well have them all memorized just hit me with a name and I'll check some things and get back to you.
Go to USS BHR and click on the last cruise, 1970 I was on it. If you send me your email adress I'll send you a video from the cruise. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 27, 2008 3:03 PM:

" "To Scott Tucker - one other thing please give Blue Falcon and Alejandro credit for knowing when they have read something before. I forwarned them that they mave have read them"

Sorry Fred, I wasn't aware that this PUBLIC forum was only meant for you and your friends. (BF, no disrespect to you.) Next time I will try to refrain from commenting on comments that I read on this PUBLIC forum, because, for all I know, they might be private comments to a select group. If you want to send private messages, use email or write a letter. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 3:10 PM:

" To Scott Tucker - I've served my country Scott, if you truly want to help Joey why don't you volunteer to go in his place or do you all of a sudden have a valid reason why you can't. Do you realize Vietnam is the only war in which teachers were exempt from fighting in it. Teachers served in WWI and II, Korea but not Vietnam guess the hippies broke tradition hunh! "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 27, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Hi, Watchdog. You asked:

"Alejandro - seeing how your scholarly chum chose to try and belittle my comments, I have a question for you?"

I'm not sure I can answer anything about school books and Switzerland adequately.

All I know about Scott is taken from his posts, but I can safely say I don't relate to Scott as a 'scholarly chum.'

Scott posts comments based upon his way of thinking and his heart, I believe. He has been doing that for some time now, and I observed that his words were taken at face value, usually without challenge, and without discussion.

Well, that is just not the American way.

In an attempt to be fair and balanced, I began to post a contrarian point of view in the best tradition of our forefathers who rebelled against English oppression.

I respect Scott because he has the guts to use his real name and is not shy about it.

I believe that his politics are 100% wrong for America, and I will continue to defend established traditional political and family-oriented points of view.

For ALL of us. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 11:53 PM:

" To Scott Tucker - you misunderstood my comment once again, all who read this will see your comments. I am not limiting anyone from reading anything, I just want you to realize when your mistakes come out just like mine they come out in a public forum.

Up to 7,500 men, and boys over 13 years old, were killed. They were trucked or marched to their places of death. Up to 3,000, many in the act of trying to escape, were shot or decapitated in the fields. (Mladic had sent out his written order to 'block, crush and destroy the straggling parts of the Muslim group'; it was carried out.) 1,500 were locked in a warehouse and sprayed with machine gun fire and grenades. Others died in their thousands on farms, football fields, school playgrounds. The whole action was carried out with military efficiency. (It is said that the transport drivers were each forced to kill one man, to deter them from testifying against the Serb troops later.)

Thousands of the bodies were buried in mass graves. from wikepedia. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 11:58 PM:

" To Scott Tucker - Srebrenica is situated in what had become, and still is, Republika Srpska. The town, declared a UN safe area in 1992, was now a Bosniak enclave in the care of the French and Dutch governments. In July 1995 Serb troops and paramilitaries led by Ratko Mladic descended on Srebrenica and began shelling it. They had already dealt with Muslim soldiers in the countryside villages. Now they were besieging Srebrenica's thousands of Muslim civilians. Food supplies and water began to dwindle, buildings were damaged, people were injured. Soon Serb troops were able to take up positions close the town's outskirts. In Bosnia's capital, Sarajevo, a radio message from an amateur operator in Srebrenica was heard: 'Please do something. Whatever you can. In the name of God, do something.'
Who was President from 1992 thru 1999 Scott Tucker yours and Dandre's best president of the 20th Century Bill Clinton allowed this to happen in Bosnia. Still think he is the best, and don't kid yourself Obama would have let this genocide take place as well.
And you call us neocons and I don't know what else because we prevent these things from happening. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 28, 2008 11:40 PM:

" It's always about fred...everybody else needs to get over it, including the real hero this story is about, fred is the patriotic standard, just ask him....see ya! "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 29, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Duane Andre,

Why does it hurt you so much each and every time the Watchdog tries to teach you something?

I would really like to know. "

Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jun 29, 2008 8:40 PM:

" This disabled soldier who wants to quit needs to talk to people like Richard Demming who used to be the manager of the Lemoore Sportsmans' Club (shooting range). Someone could give him Richard's phone number in Minnesota. Richard survived three helicopter crashes and kept on going. What was hardest for him was when his crew was ordered out and he was grounded for some reason and there was a crash and all perished. Most soldiers in World War I had some hearing loss from the noise. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:01 AM:

" To Dandre'
All about Fred, that's funny you can come on here and copy fifteen pages and paste them and everyone is suppose to take the time to read each one like they are your ideas. I put out some information that the Scholar evidently was old enough to remember and you take offense to it. Which is is Dandre' your way one day and then your way another day too! You don't like it when I fight fire with fire or you think people should only listen to you Scott and dose' which is it?
Your sound bites are getting as good as Scott's are you secretly emailing each other and planning your next move or what? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:07 AM:

" To Dandre'
You attack McCain like he was a deserter instead of the patriot he is and expect me to accept that, but let me ask you where was Obama during Bosnia, what is his service to this country? At least you claim you served in time of war, what has that great war hero Obama done, run the streets of Chicago as a young gang member? Is that your idea of service now Duane? Tell me one piece of legislation that has Obama's signature on it? What has he led Sunday morning prayer service? Reverend Wright pretty much told me all I need to know about your hero in his comments about "America be damned". I would imagine that pretty much has your sentiment behind it to listen to your comments. This isn't all about me or all about you this is about what is going to happen in this country if Obama takes the reigns. First prediction is the Stock Market will fall like it did in 1929 if Borak Obama is elected to office, people are going to rush to pull their money out before he raises capitol gains. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:19 AM:

" To Dandre'
You accuse me of talking about myself, but I have the good conscience to know that I am the only individual I know all there is to know about and have lived some pretty interesting experiences some might think. I never traveled with a Rock and Roll band like you did, but then it might be because I never really cared to. I was a Salesman most of my life and any good sales person knows before you can sell a product you have to sell yourself and believe it or not that isn't acomplished by telling people lies Dandre'. That is by being as honest with them as you hope they are with you. So pardon me for talking about what I kknow about instead of what I think I might know or something I read about in a book. Although I have had a very good education after service to my country compliments of the G.I. Bill, I have also had a street education which is worth it's weight in gold, as far as I am concerned. I've supervised enough people to be considered a people person unlike many others. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:51 AM:

" To Scott Tucker - well young scholar, when you put a fighting uniform on and raise your hand to take the oath to protect this constitution of the United States and put your butt in hamrs way, then and only then will you understand what it is to love these United States of America. Unlike the Duke, John Wayne you don't have the sensitive quality to realize the comforts and benefits you've been able to reap because you are an American citizen. Instead you have made a commitment to another country in the name of love of a woman from there, which is your right. But do you think she would stand for you running her country down anymore than Alejandro and I will allow you to run ours down? So in a way I guess that makes you a man without a country, you hate ours and can't become a citizen in your wifes. You speak out about our prejudices while failing to mention you live in a country that has the strictest immigration laws in Europe. Wasn't it you reflecting on Ellis Island and what happened since then, well what about Switzerland? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:56 AM:

" To Scott Tucker - I only compare Switzerland because you began doing so way back when I first starte blogging. But as I have researched and brought out the dark side of Switzerland you aren't quite as quick to do so any longer, wonder why? Because you thought we were to ignorant being redneck Hanford people to look up information on your beloved Switzerland. Just like women Scott you are eventually going to have to choose, you can't love and live in two countries on a teachers salary. So you will eventually have to choose as the trips to America become fewer and fewer and further and further between. "

jeff wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:22 PM:

" Fred, “All about Fred, that's funny you can come on here and copy fifteen pages and paste them and everyone is suppose to take the time to read each one like they are your ideas”. Do you really feel justified saying this when in two articles you submitted a total of 15 comments and most of them copied and pasted straight from a web site? See ‘Same-sex marriage is wrong’ and ‘Don’t disrespect us’. “Although I have had a very good education after service to my country compliments of the G.I. Bill,” what education would that be exactly? You might not be like many others Fred but that is not necessarily a good thing. For example your level of hypocrisy is truly unique. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:36 PM:

" Jeff- one day you are gonna wake up all alone with you and Scott Tucker and no one else to send off to battle in your place and then what?
Then what happens to the United States of America, are ya gonna do like Obama and talk them to death or surrender? Neither one of you would know what it means to be in a fight for your life, where the only thing between you and the enemy is the man or woman serving next to you.
We had Russian Bombers flying around us the entire time we were in Vietnam just tempting fate, hoping we would make the first move. We did we would launch F-8's and F-4's and welcome there dirty actions and hope they would make a move that we could and would have responded to. You see the Admiral of a war ship like an aircraft carrier doesn't have to have permission to use every means to protect that ship, they just do it and talk about it later. That's the difference between men like Obama and men like McCain, you screw with McCain and your gonna get stick hit. "

jeff wrote on Jul 2, 2008 8:40 AM:

" Fred, so you are saying that an apocalyptic event is going to occur, that will somehow render me the only person alive in America and Scott the only person alive in Switzerland and ‘terrorists’ are going to start a jihad against Scott and I?
“Then what happens to the United States of America” since I would be the only person left alive, I guess I would take over as Commander in Chief. I would make gay marriage legal, I would encourage immigration from any country (This would be the best way at that time to rebuild the population) with no laws – just move here and you are a citizen – I would stop going to war with other countries for no reason, and I would grant Habeas Corpus to all imprisoned people.
Seems to me that if you screw with McCain he gets shot down and spends five and a half years in a POW camp. "

Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:11 AM:

" The July 2008 Prophetic Observer newsletter by Noah Hutchings warns that Russia and Red China are blaming America for the earthquakes in Red China. They think America directed HAARP over the horizon weather weapons at Red China to cause the earthquakes. I believe weather weapons are being directed at America. The satellite photos of Hurricane Katrina showed a geometric pattern to the eye of the hurricane at the Richard C. Hoagland website which is characteristic of a weather weapon induced hurricane. Prime Minister Putin of Russia just went to the EU to warn them to stay out of an attack on America by Russia and Red China.RedChina has military bases encircling the USA from Pier J of port of Long Beach near LA, to the Panama Canal,and the Carribbean. An attack is more likely after Iran is subdued, but expect EMP that puts out electricity and the nuking of coastal cities and invasion through Mexico and Canada and over the Arctic and by sea at any time. If Americans repented and turned from sin, perhaps God would be merciful since this attack has been delayed for ten years.Defectors say 1998 was the initial attack year.Weather delayed it. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:32 AM:

" Your simple mentality would assume that about McCain but I wouldn't want to be you at a Veteran's Convention. Do you know how may local Vietnam era Veterans you just insulted with your remarks. Once again no intelligent argument so you defame someone's character. That A-4 was traveling at well over 1,000 mph when it was downed, which shows your ignorance. He flew 22 successful missions before being shot down, how many do you think you could have flown. That's right zero because you couldn't have passed the phsych eval to get into a plane to begin with Jeff. Do you know how much skill it takes to land and take off from an Aircraft Carrier at sea. To all the pilots at NAS Lemoore, I apologize for provoking this response from this atheist, who not only doesn't have any manners he doesn't get a clue about serving your country.

The point I was trying to make is you and Scott can't keep letting other people fight your battles, but you already opened up immigration, so I guess you will let them fight for you. Good luck on that. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:38 AM:

" Jeff - I am in awe of your utter disrespect for one of this nations hero's, now I totally get being an Atheist, you believe in nothing. You just question everything throughout your life and can't accept anything on faith. What a horrible existence, you can't believe family, friends, employers, hero's, no one. You can't even allow yourself a hero because then you would have to believe in something which you quite evidently refuse to do. How boring life must be with nothing to look forward to because you can't believe in anyone. No wonder you want such vast neutrality for all concerned you are aching for a friend anyway you can possibly get one, be they gay or straight or lopsided you don't have any because you can't trust anyone.
Borack Obama is gonna lose, and I'll tell you why those in the know are saying he is looking at one trillion dollars more debt the first year he is in office, even if he ended the war it's still gonna finish tanking this economy. Even the Democrats don't want that to happen. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:48 AM:

" For a better understanding of what ho.ho. ho is promoting:
Buttered up to seem harmless HARRP (HIGH FREQUENCY ACTIVE AURORAL RESEARCH PROGRAM) is strongly suspected to be a scalar inferometer, which is able to use the earth and atmosphere as a conveyor of scalar waves to excite the energy in the atmosphere at any point on the planet.. subsequently these waves are able to effect weather patterns by changing the energy levels (density) of the atmospeheric layers, also making it possible to create endothermic implosions, or exothermic explosions using something known as the woodpecker signal to target specific points on the globe. "

jeff wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:23 AM:

" Fred, I originally wrote a lengthy reply with a rebuttal to every sentence you posted but decided to save everyone the trouble. First let me disabuse you of your notions towards Atheism. Atheism: the doctrine or belief that there is no God. What you are talking about is closer to Nihilism. Nihilism: Nihilism comes from the Latin term nihil, which means “nothing.” Thus, nihilism is literally “belief in nothing. This means I still believe in people who actually exist on earth. I have friends and family and I look forward to many things all the time. Just because someone chooses not to believe in God does not mean they reject everything. Please try to learn and use (Correctly) the language we have all agreed on. Can you explain how you came to the conclusion that I am unable to trust “anyone”? That statement makes no logical sense but it seems that logic has never been very high on your priorities. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 4, 2008 9:22 PM:

" Jeff, here is the man you mocked and a little bit more of his history during captivity. He could have taken the liberal way out and been released but he took the high road and stated other people have been here longer release them first.

John McCain's 5 1/2 years of captivity in North Vietnam were divided into two phases. Early on, this son and grandson of high-ranking Naval officers was accorded relatively privileged status. Then he refused early release--which he saw as a public relations stunt by his captors--insisting that POWs held longer than him should be granted their freedom first. Thereafter, McCain was treated much more severely, but he also had an opportunity to bond with his fellow prisoners. Those experiences strengthened his resolve and eased his transition back into civilian life.

You could learn from a courageous man like this one. His resolve and faith based decidation proved to be the answer to his surviving 5 1/2 years of captivity.

What have you done for your country Jeff? That question was posed by liberal President John F. Kennedy. "

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