ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 21, 2008 8:30 PM:
" Where was President Bill Clinton during all of this?
Oh, he was busy pardoning 6 members of the FALN, a violent Puerto Rican nationalist group.
How did you miss that, Ms. Salinas? "
Rebecca Patterson-Kmet Texas Pharmacist wrote on Jun 21, 2008 9:14 PM:
" The real Elian Gonzales was murdered as soon as the Cubans got custody of him. The boy shown to the public with his "father" was not the same child. The family he lived with in Florida said his hair was cut the day before he was captured and taken from them. The boy with the "father" had longer hair which could not have grown out in a week. It was the Methodist Church who paid lawyers $400. an hour to pursue the case to abduct the child and take him back to Cuba, except that the real Elian Gonzales was murdered and a look alike was substituted. Methodists should protest that misuse of their tithes by leaving the church. "
Richard Cheeseman wrote on Jun 22, 2008 6:57 AM:
" I thought Elian Gonzalez showed commendable maturity by recognising that his relatives in Miami were wrong in kidnapping him but still not repudiating them: "They are still my uncles."
Those kidnappers got offside with the US people as a whole, who backed his return to his father. There's no mileage for the far right in this issue, but of course they're welcome to try. The loonier they look the better.
It's been very amusing to watch them fume over Elian joining the Young Communists. I especially enjoyed the comment claiming that Elian had been killed and replaced. Priceless! "
Rebecca wrote on Jun 23, 2008 10:00 PM:
" To Richard Cheeseman: You have no idea how ruthless communist regimes are. Elian Gonzales' family knew what would happen to him if the communists got hold of him. They are certain the real Elian was murdered since that is what communists to do people who thwart them as young Elian tried to do, saying he wanted to stay in America with his great uncle. Josef Stalin murdered over 30 million Russians who had commited no crimes. The communist Chinese killed over 72 million people who were innocent by normal standards. One day the Clintons and the Methodist lawyers who caused the death of the real Elian Gonzalez and so many others at Waco and in wars in Bosnia and Kosovo and put all Americans at risk for giving the Cray Supercomputers to the Red Chinese so they can more accurately aim their nuclear missiles. Communists are not nice people, even when they occupy the White House and call themselves Americans. "
jeff wrote on Jun 25, 2008 3:40 PM:
" Rebecca, American settlers killed 20 million American Indians and Christians killed millions during the crusades. Are Americans and Christians not nice people just like the Communists? Are you a Christian? "
Rebecca wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:34 PM:
" TO JEFF: American Indians did a whole lot of killing themselves or they would not have been cordoned off on Reservations. The Indian Wars lasted a very long time in American history. Maybe the settlers did not take kindly to their women being raped and branded or scaIped or forced into slavery. There were so many Indians shooting at George Washington he was called the Great White Father because no one could kill him. I do not believe REAL Christians were in the Crusades. Christ warned of "another Jesus". At the times of Noah's Flood,only eight people were saved (belonged to the Lord). The Church of Philadelphia in the Bible (true church) is very small.The Church of Laodicia is very big and totally apostate.What made most Christian religions apostate?The Sabbath was changed to Sunday when God said it was the 7th day.God's spirit was elevated to god-hood when the original texts did not have a trinity. Father and Son are one, not three.God did not change the Sabbath or order Christians to murder people on Crusades. Popes did that. Popes killed Saturday Sabbath people and Jews, changed the Sabbath and made monotheism, polytheism. "
jeff wrote on Jul 2, 2008 11:03 AM:
" Rebecca, yes I know they did. What would you do if people invaded your land, tried running you off it and when you told them you did not want to leave they started killing your family? Indians did not start the killing, European Christians did. You may not believe real Christians were in the crusades but that doesn’t mean you are correct. I will say this for you. At least you follow what the Bible says and not just the parts that are convenient for you. In a way, that is respectable. "
Mrs.D wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:51 AM:
" Here's the deal: Border Patrol and INS have a policy concerning immigrants from Mexico who are caught in the desert between the US and Mexico. If they are a parent traveling with their children, and the parent dies in the desert, th children are automatically turned over to the next of kin. Usually the surviving parent in Mexico or another relative. Since Elian's mother died in the middle of the ocean, he should have been turned over AUTOMATICALLY to his father by BP and/or INS. For some crazy reason, he was allowed to stay in Florida at tax payers expense.
This whole fiasco did not do too well here in the United States since there are a lot of fathers out there who don't have too much rights in divorce. "
Rebecca wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:43 PM:
" TO JEFF: Initially, the Indians and the early settlers in New England and in the Virginia Colony got along. The early settlers would have died in the winter if the Indians had not fed them. But it was the Indians who attacked the settlers initially, not vice versa. Believe me, the settlers did not want more trouble than they already had in England where they were persecuted and many hanged for having a Geneva Bible instead of a King James Bible, a death penalty offense in England. In the Virginia colony, peace came for awhile when the daughter of the Powattan Chief (Princess Pocahontas) put her body over that of Captain Miles Standish to keep her father from killing him. As long as Pocahontas was alive, there was peace for her sake.She married John Rolfe thinking Miles Standish died when he was gone a long time. In regard to the Crusaders, Christ warned of "another Jesus" and John in Revelation of the Church of Laodicia that is totally apostate. The Council of Laodicia changed the Sabbath to Sunday and the Father-Son to a Trinity to make it polytheistic. A good reference Bible exposes the added verses on that. "
Rebecca wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:52 PM:
" TO JEFF: Revelation in the Bible also speaks of a Mother Harlot (symbol of false religion) who is dressed in red and purple (Cardinals and Bishops), sits on seven hills (Rome), deals in the souls of men (religion), and is drunk with the blood of the saints (Jews who are Jews in their hearts and other Saturday Sabbath keepers like Waldensians). The Mother Harlot has Harlot Daughters (Sunday Sabbath Protestant Churches that teach a trinity). The Crusades were mostly Roman Catholics who killed Jews and Muslims in wars that were at times justified when Europe was attacked. That does not make the Crusaders who followed a false religion, real Christians. It is true, Naaman the Syrian in the Bible was a true believer and he went to the House of Rimmon to keep his job which the Lord allowed as long as he did not eat meat sacrificed to idols. Revelation says the Church of Philadelphia is very small and it is a true church (not apostate). When the Flood of Noah occurred, there were EIGHT people alive who were saved eternally. Christ said when he returns it would be like the times of Noah and Lot. 8 not billions. "
Rebecca wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:57 PM:
" TO MRS. D.: You are do clueless on the ruthlessness of Communists Regimes. Why do you think Cubans who make it to America can stay while other Latinos have to go through a process or be returned to their native land? Communist dictatorships murder people with impunity. Josef Stalin murdered over 30 million for no reason but his lust for death. The Red Chinese murdered over 72 million people. But YOU think Elian Gonzales should have been returned to his father who did not want him when he lived in Cuba and was subject to the murderous intentions of the Cuban Communist government. The reald Elian is dead. His family in Florida knows that. A look-alike was substituted and shown to the world a week or more after the real Elian was taken from his great uncle's home in Florida. The subsitute boy who LOOKED like Elian had longer hair than it was possible to grow in a week since the real Elian's hair was cut short the week before he was taken. Look closely at the capture photos and the pictures of the lookalike boy who was presented a week later. Hair does not grow that fast. "
Mrs.D wrote on Jul 3, 2008 3:08 PM:
" RE: Rebecca, You want to call me clueless? Have you seen the way you type lately?
The legal thing to do was to give him back to his surviving relative, which is his own father. If the situation was reversed he would be given back to his mother quicker than anything in the world. You might as well say that fathers around the world have no rights or say on what goes on in the lives of their children. Elians' own father said he would rather have the boy raised in Cuba rather than the US since we have had Columbine, the KKK, and other problems. But you are missing out on the big picture: His father wants Elian back with him and the rest of the family.
Obviously, Rebecca, you just hate how families work. "
dose wrote on Jul 5, 2008 6:35 PM:
" Thers is no point in arguing with people like Alejandro and Rebecca. They are unable to accept facts and logic and only believe what they hear in church. I mean saying Bill Clinton was responsible for what happened to Elian Gonzales and that the indians started the fight between them and the settlers not only proves their ignorance but that they are incapable of rational thought. "