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Editor: My son and I attended this years Fresno's Pride Parade and my partner and I are getting prepared to head to San Francisco for theirs. Now Mr. Kleinhammer, the Fresno parade was lovely, my son enjoyed the Native American dancing, the water guns being sprayed at us, the candy being passed out and more importantly he loved to see that there are other kids with two moms and two dads.

Now I believe that I may be more open-minded than you, because I don't mind seeing a transsexual or drag queen walk down the street, I am proud to walk next to them. Honestly when you are at the parade and party with everyone, there is a higher sense of self. I love going to the San Francisco parade just for the sake of feeling that personal "high" from feeling accepted.

San Francisco holds a much larger parade and as the LGBTQ capital, I would expect every aspect of the LGBTQ community to be showing their pride. Not only does our pride parades give us the chance to raise money for organizations it gives us a chance to come together as a community, just as people come together at homecoming parades and Christmas parades.

Going back to the Constitution and the right to assembly and the right of free speech, I find that we are not wrong in holding our parades. They are not in bad taste ... it is the taste of acceptance, of pride and of life. Don't dampen our celebration with your narrow-mindedness ... we don't disrespect you, return the favor. It's the golden rule.

Melissa Denton

Lemoore

(June 23, 2008)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

N. Hanford resident wrote on Jun 23, 2008 11:37 AM:

" When can we have the straight/one-man-one woman marraige pride parade? Oh wait, now I'm being discriminatory . . . "

Enough already wrote on Jun 23, 2008 12:40 PM:

" Ewwww. Oh how I yearn for the days when what one did in the bedroom REMAINED THERE!

Please, let's give it a rest. "

ppg wrote on Jun 23, 2008 2:59 PM:

" A higher sense of self? That sounds very selfish to me. By selfish I mean forcing the homosexual antics on general society. Heterosexuals usually don't flaunt their lifestyle by dressing in drag and obnoxiously parading down the street with others of the same ilk. So raising money for other organizations validates your antics? Even that good deed does not give you moral right to prance down the street. Sure you have the constitutional right to parade around and look stupid but you don't have the constitutional right to be accepted by all. I guess you can call me narrow-minded, but I will not validate the homosexual lifestyle. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 23, 2008 4:00 PM:

" Melissa, leave it to you to increase our knowledge of your wonderful but misunderstood ‘community.' I didn't know what ‘stone' meant until you showed me the rich diversity of the word.

I had to look up "LGBTQ" though in Wikipedia and found this bit of info:

"Although identical in meaning, LGBT may have more feminist and q u e e r connotations than "GLBT." When not inclusive of transgender people it is sometimes shortened to LGB. It may also include additional Qs for q u e e r and/or questioning (sometimes abbreviated with a question mark) (LGBTQ, LGBTQQ, GLBTQ?). Other variants may add a U for "unsure", an I for intersex, another T for transsexual, another T (or TS or the numeral 2) for two-spirited people, an A or SA for allies, or an A for asexual. Some may also add a P for pansexual or polyamorous, and an O for omnisexual or other."

But this really covers all of the deviant bases: "FABGLITTER", an inclusive acronym for "Fetish, Allies, Bisexuals, Gay, Lesbians, Intersexed, Transgender, Transsexual Engendering Revolution." No interspecies rights as yet.

Yep, we have much to learn about this hidden ‘community.' "

cynic wrote on Jun 23, 2008 7:10 PM:

" Bring on the straight parade. Of course we would be accused of being intolerant - apparently you are allowed to assemble and state your opinions as long as you don't disagree with someone else's opinions? And don't invoke the Golden Rule unless you believe and practice the other "rules" in the New Testament. "

jessica m wrote on Jun 23, 2008 7:15 PM:

" hey mel thanks for letting me hang out with u at fresno pride i was so happy that we had a lot of people there this time and that comcast was live there taping it! and it was so nice to see all the parents there with the kids, and the 3 fresno churches that were in the parade too! and the fresno gay veterans! i can't wait till kings co does one and maybe that will help educate some of the people there! some are be-on learning! good luck "

seriously wrote on Jun 23, 2008 10:30 PM:

" Okay, since as far back in my childhood that I can remember, I have felt that homosexuality was wrong/immoral/unnatural. As I have grown up, I have had many gay and lesbian friends. I have also ended those friendships because of the anger, rudeness and utter unhappiness of these people. And EACH of them expressed to me that their sexuality was their choice (it is becoming a fashion statement). I have been tolerant all of my life, meaning I have put up with or tolerated those who chose the lifestyle, not the new meaning of tolerance which is accept the unacceptable or be ridiculed and labeled a bigot. So please, do not try to educate me or my family. I have heard all I need to hear. If you are a nice person, I will be nice to you, but please keep your sexuality where it belongs, at home. And I am all for a straight pride parade. "

Melissa wrote on Jun 24, 2008 1:00 AM:

" I would gladly support a straight parade. Being that I am forced to live in a stright ruled world....I find it rather insulting that I cannot have a few blocks once a year to celebrate life with my felllow homos. and others. Because in fact we have many straight supporters who do attend our parades. Now I didn't say that donating to organizations excuse us...because we need no excuse. We are Americans living our liberties.I was talking about giving donations because we are a part of society like it or not. We do follow street laws...in fact we have the police at every parade ensuring that and our safety.
Yes the golden is a wonderful thing...it like respect isn't a one way street....I am not flaunting my sex life out in public...I am holding hands with my girlfriend. Now where your mind takes that...is a whole different story. As for what we wear...no one has room to judge....teen age girls are holding car washes in bikinis, shorts are so short you can see their cheeks! Put more clothes on your kids before you talk about what we wear! "

Melissa wrote on Jun 24, 2008 1:14 AM:

" PPG... Oh what a delight you will be. You do not need to validate our lifestyle...It has already been validated. We exist!!!! I don't think we prance around and look stupid...Of course...I value different cultures...
As for being selfish...When it comes to my happiness, my liberties, and my American Dream, yes I am. But the American Dream is a selfish thing in itself. What is your American Dream? I bet it sounds pretty selfish.
Now Alejandro...I'm glad you found a way to put q u e e r in here....I tried in my last letter didn't work though!! I identy as q u e e r and so I do try to understand all the lifestlyes within the community, How lovely that you take the time to research our community. I don't feel the need to research heteros....because I have been force fed the hetero lifestyle since birth...no offense but you know the feeling after you just ate a whole bucket of ice cream..where you just want to puke....that is how I feel about the hetero lifestlye being forced in our face. "

Sorry...but the parade is in bad taste...poisonous wrote on Jun 24, 2008 2:36 AM:

" You want the world, the country, the states and this small county to acknowledge you are practicers of sodomy and proud of it. It vile and an a formable atrocity against one's fellow man. I don't care which way you try to make it acceptable...it is NOT! Keep spreading your mythical magic wands using rainbows to mask the sick perversion you somehow refuse to consider debauchery. Main-stream society still knows it is exactly that and that is why you push so hard to confuse people into thinking it is a natural state of human interaction. It is NOT! Marching to share your shame will not make it an attraction...it will only make it a freak show/carnival hoop-lah. Sell carnal crazy somewhere else! "

Enough already wrote on Jun 24, 2008 6:00 AM:

" "be on"? What the heck? All these years and I thought it was BEYOND. Dumb me. "

Get over it wrote on Jun 24, 2008 12:46 PM:

" You all are narrow-minded. Amen to freedom of speech but what happened to whole sense of equality? Who cares what people believe in. We were all put here with an equal right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Life your life and be happy, and don't worry about the others around you. You're all so disrespectful, ignorant, and uneducated. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 24, 2008 3:03 PM:

" Hey "Get over it,"

Didn't you really mean to say:
"Liff your life?"

That's better grammar. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 24, 2008 3:47 PM:

" Melissa says:

"...because I have been force fed the hetero lifestyle since birth...no offense but you know the feeling after you just ate a whole bucket of ice cream..where you just want to puke....that is how I feel about the hetero lifestlye being forced in our face."

No offense taken, ‘Mel,' but I am not a pig so I really don't know how I would feel after eating a whole bucket of ice cream. What does it feel like anyway? I love pistachio.

The "hetero lifestyle" is the normal average everyday way most people live in this world.
It is what it is.

Your lifestyle of choice is what it is: not normal, not average, not the lifestyle of the majority.

What you do in your bedroom is your business, I agree 100%.

But now you all are bringing it to public issue, straight out of your bedroom, into our faces.

We are dealing with it as best we can, but you cannot "force feed" us into thinking that the gay lifestyle is good and normal and something we all can be proud of.

That will take some time, Mel. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 24, 2008 3:53 PM:

" Melissa:

I find many homosexuals - especially outspoken ones ane the public activists - are angry and act out because of it. The are continually ‘in your face' and of course it is their right to do so.

Using a hypothetical example:

You will never have a baby unless a man donates sperm. Doesn't that make you angry at all?

Don't you want to know the feminine joy of the birth experience, or does being a lesbian erase that biological imperative too?

Try as you may, your female life partner will never produce sperm, so someone - a man - either donates or sells his seed. And a adopted child will have a father too, somewhere, somehow.

That child deserves to have a choice too, Mel.

Who asks that child if they want a father and a mother? Not just two mommies or one femme and one butch parent. Who asks that child if they want to observe sex between two women all the time and consider that normal?

So who gets to choose their life becomes moot when the biological abnormal becomes ‘law.' "

leave it alone already wrote on Jun 24, 2008 4:16 PM:

" Melissa,
I'm very glad that you stand so strong on your 'ISSUE', but...leave it alone. You're gay.. okay. Good. Glad you're happy. No matter your sexual preference, people get disrespected. I'm really tired of the racial & sexual cards being pulled. I'd really like to see a STRAIGHT parade.. are you kidding me? What's the point? Woo hoo.. you take up a few blocks for a day or weekend and celebrate being in 'love' with someone of the same sex. Ridiculous. Waste of MONEY. How about spending that same amount of money on the children in our school system who can't get a good enough education because money is going elsewhere. Makes me sick. "

PATRIOT wrote on Jun 24, 2008 5:17 PM:

" YOU ALL WANT RIGHTS THAT INFRINGE UPON OTHERS FREEDOMS LIBERTIES,ETC. MAJORITY OF THESE FOLKS ARE ANTI GUN, BUT U WANT US ALL TO ACCEPT YOUR BELIEF UHH I DONT THINK SO. NOT TODAY NOT TOMORROW. YOU WANT NORIETY WRITE A BOOK... TIRED OF SEEING YOUR JUNK OR MAYBE ILL JUST QUIT READING THE PAPER "

Flaming activist butch-hard activist either way wrote on Jun 24, 2008 5:58 PM:

" it does not help their lost cause. The problem is people are uneducated about homsexuality and it's origins...it is not a pretty picture nor was it a way of life practiced for the mere sake of being natural...it was a coveted distortion of hidden, secretive temple worship for dieties and false concepts to cater to wealthy perverted slave owners and deposed or asborded societies no longer in existence today. The Greeks and Roman practice homosexual acts for the pleasing of themselves and the ancient mythical gods they creatd to expalin and promote vile acts. The cities and temple are in ruins today...but humans are still plagued with the ruinous seeds of those ancient cultures their hedonistic behaviors, still being practiced today out of uncontrolled people who can't accept they are ill-advised and uncontrolled addicts to their own sex. "

Mrs.D wrote on Jun 24, 2008 6:04 PM:

" Ms. Denton, A Gay Pride Parade is always fun. When we lived in San Diego we attended one and found it like Mardis Gras but in a better city. We could have a Gay Pride Parade here in Hanford but there are too many rain drops living here to ruin it for everyone. Even though there are plenty of gays and lesbians living in Kings County, the ignorant mob rules.

God bless you and your family. "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 24, 2008 6:30 PM:

" Why is it that whenever someone disagrees with the minority they are "hateful", "bigots", or "ignorant"? We have as much right to free speech as anyone gay or otherwise, so why resort to the name calling? Melissa, since you feel that you were "force-fed the hetero lifestyle since birth" I don't understand why you are force-feeding your son the homosexual lifestyle. I guess any group that's big enough and loud enough to make a racket should be able to hold a special parade. We don't have to accept how you live your life. Going back to the Consitution, Mr. Kleinhammer has just as much right to say what he wants as you do. If you don't agree, then fine, but you too need to remember the Golden Rule. "

Oh My wrote on Jun 24, 2008 6:51 PM:

" "Don't disrespect us"? You are more "open-minded" than Mr. Kleinhammer? Do you even know what it means to respect someone? Are the only people you respect the ones who agree with you? And just how open-minded are you? Open-minded enough to respect Mr. Klienhammer and his opinion? I didn't think so. "

Oh My wrote on Jun 24, 2008 7:03 PM:

" You can't change the fact that your choice to be gay is choosing a deviant lifestyle. No matter how much you explain, complain, whine, and demand respect, the truth is still the same. You are what you have chosen to be. You knew it wouldn't be easy but you went ahead and chose it anyway. Can't live with the consequences? Change. You will not change us! "

Nancy Drew wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:14 PM:

" People calm down. Even though we have our own opinions on everything under the sun, we need to look to ourselves and our own lives. I get looks because I am fat. Can I start a FAT parade? How about a conference for people with acne. Give it a rest. Why can't we all just respect each other and support the human race. Last time I checked I was human. Are you? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:45 PM:

" Thanks to Melissa and deffinately thanks to Alejandro I now have a completely different idea of what the phrase WE HAD A GAY OLD TIME means!
I think we should have the two dogs making it in the front yard parade also, but then I am pretty liberal when it comes to parades. Besides the Fireman can follow along in their fire trucks and hose them down if they get out of hand, so to speak. Come to think of it that could work for all parades Gay one's included, wow I just brain stormed a new idea. Can you see this dude in leather pants with the rear cut out of them being blown down the street by a stream of water from a fire hose? Get out the first aid kits and large bandaids for road burns. Maybe you should include a Paramedic Truck also? "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 24, 2008 10:49 PM:

" And by the way, 'respect' is something that is earned, not given away by a judge. "

Melissa wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:40 PM:

" Oh My,
Tread slowly when your tongue is much too quick. I believe in man's right to opinion and I will fight for the freedom of speech for all. I wrote my opinion of pride parades, did youread the letter? As for my open mindedness...meet me for a cup of coffee and we can discuss that. I love humans. I love to learn different cultures, i love generational differences, my open mind goes on for ever. I am not an uneducated woman, oh no. I have earned a graduated degree, I have conducted researches, I have studied philosophy, I do not fear change.
As being a q u e e r you are wrong, in my belief, I was born this way and I knew it since i was a little girl. I never needed a Ken doll, my two barbies went on dates well enough, I can't help who I fall in love with...and I like it that way. Let love be unique and different... "

Melissa wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:44 PM:

" hey patriot....there was another person who threatened to quit reading the paper...you now if you close your eyes the world is still going to function...we will still be gay.... "

It is NOT a choice wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:45 PM:

" Oh My. You sound like you just came out of the 50s. This lifestyle is NOT a choice. I do not choose to be gay. I was BORN this way. I have 2 loving parents (a man and a woman) but ALWAYS knew I was this way.

I guess you would still believe that through prayer and religious counseling you can "cure" yourself of this. Kind of like Reverend Ted Haggard. What a crock. He is still gay. Doesn't want to admit it, but not changed. And repression doesn't cure...it just causes more problems.

I would welcome a "Straight Pride Parade." Britney Spears can be the grand marshall. Maybe have a special section for all the divorcees in our 50% and climbing attrition for marriages.

Maybe a special section for the "straight" folks with someone (of the same sex) on the side.

Yeah...I would watch that. "

Melissa wrote on Jun 24, 2008 11:51 PM:

" Amanda,
First of all I didn't mean for my letter to sound hateful...I was really speaking sincerely. but I have to put that softness away for a minute..
Don't you dare assume you know what I am teaching my son. Because assumptions are a horrible thing to make. My son is an understanding boy who knows that families are all very different, some have one mom, one dad, a grandparent, a mom and dad, a dad and step mom, two moms, or two dads...and although we do not emphasize the 'right' family unit we make sure he knows that it doesn't matter what the family make up is.. what matters is that the children are loved and well taken care of and the grow to be successful at what ever they choose to do. What I shove down my sons throat is not a lifestyle...they are qualities he needs to posses to successful in life. Don't ever assume about my son. "

Omar B. wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:00 AM:

" This goes for many, even for some "writers" in this article, it seems that "your perfect world" would be filled with men dressed in fairy outfits, with little magical wands replacing their... prancing around sprinkling "fairy dust" on everyone that was not dressed as "Tinkerbelle" or behaved as such just so you could enjoy "your chosen lifestyle".

Ok, I live in Fresno... so...

1. my tax dollars goes to this city, of which had to be used to clean up that "fairy dust" after the parade... my money could have been spent better somewhere else in the city, like my neighborhood.

2. (this if for Comcast) you guys sure are dancing on a razors edge... Direct TV looks a lot better these days.

3. (Back to gay pride) I'm betting that nobody has ever pranced around you saying "look at me, I'm straight"... being straight has not been forced on you.

4. Straight people don't ask to be respected by gay people... stop demanding respect and you might start getting it.

5. And like someone else said here, and I agree, I have never met a non-angry gay person, why? "

Amanda R wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:45 AM:

" I don't think accepting sin is something that makes for a successful life, and that is what you are teaching him. I'm sure it was his choice to attend that parade and see the shenanigans that go on there. I was taught that families consist of a mother and father, or a single mother, single father, or any other combination of MOTHER/FATHER. Never was I taught that it is "normal" for a child to have two lesbian mothers or two gay fathers, although I knew that was a possibility since my aunt had a girlfriend AND a boyfriend with whom she chose to raise her children. It was disgusting, but I guess you think that's okay. I'm successful by societies standards, but not by yours since I don't accept things I believe are wrong. My sons will not be taught that it is okay to deliberately disobey the laws of nature. It's unnatural. "

Chad wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:59 AM:

" First of all, there are some many angry comments here so who are you to say anything about angry gay people. To Omar, you obviously live in a small valley bubble if you have never met any non angry gay people. They are all around. As a gay man who has a family, I choose not to go to gay pride. It has nothing to do with the hateful things that people say here, its just a choice. I don't need a parade to be proud of who I am and also I have loving supportive "straight" people all around me. Plus at this stage in my life I just have found better things to do with my time. As to those comments about about straight parades, there are plenty celebrating different aspects of heterosexual behavior...u just don't call them straight pride. But then again majorities don't need to announce it do they? "

Chad wrote on Jun 25, 2008 11:11 AM:

" The only comment I'm going to make is when did God make any of you Judge or jury? You are not God. Who are you to judge. You quote the bible but less you forget Jesus did not like those who were judgmental. He loved all. Some of you need to remember that.I wonder what you would do if you had a gay child? "

N. Hanford resident wrote on Jun 25, 2008 11:17 AM:

" Oh, this is good stuff. First of all pretty much all behavior (even sexual) is learned, you are not BORN with it. There are some innate tendencies that we are born with that influence that behavior but choosing to act upon them is your CHOICE. You are not born gay just as much as I was not born liking chocolate Ice cream. Though my taste buds/nervous system are more innate to chocolate ice cream, I still choose to act upon the desire for it.

Nancy Drew: there is a FAT parade - it's pretty much every friday/saturday night at the sizzler buffet. "

Gees..... wrote on Jun 25, 2008 11:45 AM:

" Give up already...There were lesbians and Gays from the dawn of time and they will be there at the end of time. Being a lesbian myself I find the Parade a comercial money making event for peddlers to halk thier crap. The fresno parade was over in 15 min, 5 bucks to get into a area where the vendors were selling "Gay pride" stuff, Like I don't im Lesbian so I need a bumper sticker for the Truck. What happened to proceeds go to the Womens shelter, or to help out with expence for the People with AIDS? When I paied for a 3.00 shaved ice did any of that money got to research? When it only const 35 cents to make? We really don't need a Prade to be Lesbian or Gay. What we need is for the loud mouths out there in size 10 pumps or the Butch Lesbians on Motercycles to raise money for the cause. Im proud, but not loud, I have fought for the cause, Helped out any way I can. Anyone can have a Parade, rather it be Stright, Gay, KKK, or Hells Angles this is America, put your money to good work. "

Mag wrote on Jun 25, 2008 12:14 PM:

" Enjoy yourself at the parades! Never mind all this negativity from some here. There are lots of us who support you no matter what, if you are a good person and exercise good taste. I hope you have a fantastic time, feel great about yourself, and just have a great day! "

Lisa wrote on Jun 25, 2008 12:30 PM:

" Geeze Melissa. Why can't you just be a PERSON. Why do you have to make everything about gay or straight? Why are YOU force-feeding this issue? LET IT GO. You can now legally marry. You can hold hands in public. There are no Gay/Straight water fountains. Now SHUT UP. "

Gees... wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:19 PM:

" I agree, Enjoy life, we can get married, hold hands in public. Hold Parades, but quit making EVERYTHING Gay or Straight issues over every little thing posted. Woohoo you were featured on the front page of the paper,Big Deal! I personally see you wandering about at the Farmers Market, You have pased by us with out a single nod or smile, we are all on the same side when fighting the fight, It's easy to sit behind the keyboard and blast blog after blog about Gay and Lesbian Issues. Word to the wise craming it down our necks down makes us any better, only hated. Untill you have had a basebat bat brush past your head by a Guy in full KKK garb at a gay prade maybe you will that some of the "Older Lesbians" who paved the path for YOUR right to Marry, Hold hands, and Blog! When you see one of us, and we are out there a smile would be nice! "

true wrote on Jun 25, 2008 2:33 PM:

" "Lisa" ....Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Could not have said it better. YAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN.........This is played out and the dead horse is beaten'....Melissa you have your marriage opportunity....JUST LIVE YOUR LIFE ALREADY! Sheesh!!!!!!!! "

TO LISA wrote on Jun 25, 2008 4:46 PM:

" I AGREE 150% WITH YOU. SERIOUSLY. LEAVE THE ISSUSE ALONE. YOU CAN GET MARRIED.. NOW LIVE YOUR LIFE WITHOUT PUSHING IT ONTO EVERYONE ELSE. WE DON'T CARE. "

I see it happening now wrote on Jun 25, 2008 10:36 PM:

" Hey... who know's maybe in four years will have a gay black woman running for president. They could then have Political Ads on BET, WE, & MTV. "

My two cents wrote on Jun 26, 2008 8:18 AM:

" "I have been force fed the hetero lifestyle since birth...just want to puke....that is how I feel about the hetero lifestlye being forced in our face. "

The heterosexual lifestyle is here because YOU wouldn't be here if it wasn't. I know somewhere you said that your pregnancy was artificially inseminated, and that's fine I'm okay with that. However, for the most part, for thousands and thousands of years (last say the last 50 excluded) heterosexual behavior creates human existance. It's not force fed, it's just how it is. It's "natural" in a loose sense of the word. If you choose to be "unnatural" in your ways, that's fine.

I don't think college taught you proper English grammar. You've earned a GRADUATE degree, conducted RESEARCH, and apparently never learned how to properly structure a sentence. This too is fine but it makes your "I'm so open, I'm so educated" statement make me feel funny inside.

I knew you as a kid and you were mean and always wanted attention. Chill out, enjoy life however you choose to live it, and quit complaining about the hetero way. "

jeff wrote on Jun 26, 2008 12:31 PM:

" My two cents, you said “It's "natural" in a loose sense of the word. If you choose to be "unnatural" in your ways, that's fine.” regarding traditional ways of being impregnated versus non-traditional ways. Is this somehow different from someone in an accident being placed on a breathing machine and a feeding tube when their body no longer performs these functions? Having a machine to do your breathing and a machine to insert food into your stomach is not natural in a strict or loose sense of the word. You then say “I knew you as a kid and you were mean and always wanted attention” is it possible that you are just bitter? I am also fairly confident you and everyone else here - who keeps bringing it up - completely misunderstood Melissa when she said she felt “Force-fed the heterosexual lifestyle”. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 26, 2008 2:19 PM:

" IF anyone wants to increase their knowledge of sexuality in the Central Valley, our cable company's ‘On-Demand' has a special section for other-than-normal gender topics for adults.

There's a section of the videotaped Fresno Pride Parades for the past few years. More important, there is an educational documentary narrated by a Visalia college instructor that is pretty well done; it defines ALL TYPES of sexual and gender preferences and permutations and has actual examples.

Unfortunately all these examples show rather strange looking and sounding overweight individuals and one exmilitary tranny who ‘got the operation' ala Christine Jorgensen and Renée Richards. This is how those not so much into ‘diversity' develop a very real sense of ‘gaydar.'

You can make you own judgement on this lifestyle and ‘community' and see if it disgusts or thrills you. And remember, this is America where you still have the right to personally believe what is right and wrong. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 26, 2008 2:27 PM:

" OK, now I can say this cynically. If I wasn't a normal heterosexual male, the perversion... whoops, I mean deviant lifestyle, ...whoops I mean alternate sexual identity person I would become is a ‘pansexual.' Saw it defined in plain English right there on that cable educational show I watched last night. By that community college instructor from Visalia.

Look it up. Being a pansexual virtually guarantees you a date every Saturday night.

Alas, I can say that I discovered that I too am part of this wonderful diversity.

I found out that I am a Male Lesbian as I am attracted to women.

Knew it since birth too. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 26, 2008 3:00 PM:

" Ah, there is nothing like the stale taste of old, pedictable jokes. Like Mr. Twain said: It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. "

MElissa wrote on Jun 26, 2008 3:08 PM:

" To: My Two Cents...
you obviously didn't know me well enough as a kid...and wow..did you ever take any human development classes? Because humans do evolve..maybe you haven't. But I"m not one to pass judgement.
Lisa...jump back. Funny how many mean things people say on here and not once when I'm in town will someone come up to me and say anything...I won't give up on LGBTQ rights ever. It is my right to expess myself and that I will do till the day I day. If you don't want to hear it...don' listen. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 26, 2008 5:39 PM:

" If this Gay Parade festivity is so pure and all doing all sharing then why pray tell is it started off as a riot in New York City?

Early on the morning of 29 June 1969, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and questioning persons rioted following a police raid on the Stonewall Inn—a gay bar that was heavily patronized by people of colour, including a high percentage of drag queens — in the Greenwich Village section of New York City.[1] The Stonewall riots are generally considered to be the beginning of the modern gay rights movement, as it was the first time in modern history that a significant body of LGBT people resisted arrest. Given the population that frequented the establishment, a large percentage of the people who initially fought back were persons of colour.

Whatever happened to violence begets violence? It is alright to honor this geesh the people in Watts are missing out they should have several parades every year celebrating the many riots of the 60's and 70's. I never heard of anything quite so absurd. But that's why they call it America. Home of the Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transvestites. GLBT. "

My Two Cents wrote on Jun 27, 2008 2:09 AM:

" To Jeff:

I meant "unnatural" to refer to her sexuality and not the way she had her child. I also did not mean "natural" or "unnatural" with any sort of negative or positive connotation, I meant heterosexual behavior has been natural (i.e. most common in nature) versus homosexual behavior as unnatural (as in not as common). They use the word "abnormal" in psychology in a similar way to describe mental problems that are uncommon (not the average) and it's not meant to have a positive or negative connotation. I should have been more careful with my word choice because I didn't mean unnatural in a bad sense of the word, and I meant it to refer to her sexuality .

I am not judging her on her how she had her child, and I don't care if she's gay or not as far as raising her child goes because the only important thing is that she loves him, which you can tell she does.
fact that it's been around forever and it's part of life, for gays and straights "

My Two Cents wrote on Jun 27, 2008 2:17 AM:

" To Jeff (again):
It is entirely possible that I am bitter, but I do have a point. I feel like all this ruckus about gay vs. straight is just a way for her to get attention (and perhaps it isn't, I could be jaded). She got to be in the newspaper and make a difference for the gay community and all of that but it seems like that one article isn't enough drama or attention.

I think it's good to stand up for what you believe in and even if I think her lifestyle is wrong, she has a right to live it and be proud of it. I'm just kinda annoyed about hearing about it over and over. Saying she was forced fed heterosexuality was also kinda what aggravated me, because that's what a lot of people feel that she is doing to them by putting her choices in their face. I think heterosexual people and homosexual people should each respect each other and not force anything on each other.

I probably shouldn't have made my aggravations such a personal attack. I'm just annoyed with it all. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 27, 2008 3:21 AM:

" Fred, with your hightened sense of ultranationalism, what do you call the Boston Tea Party, the Boston Massacre, the Burning of the HMS Peggy Stewart, etc? Were these not also riotous acts? Do you not thank these Revolutionary rioters for the rights you enjoy as an American today? "

Lisa wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:02 AM:

" "Jump back". What does that mean? I wasn't mean. You've said your piece AGAIN AND AGAIN (regardless of your inability to speak intelligently, i.e. "to the day I day".) It is also my right to express myself. You have made your point. YOU'RE GAY. Wonderful! Fabulous! We're all so impressed and awed that you have a sense of who you are. Nobody is force-feeding you anything. If you're so comfortable in your own skin then why do you have to continually refer to yourself as GAY? I don't yell from the rooftops, "HEY, I LIKE MEN!!!" Point being, no one cares about my sexuality or yours. Just let it go for everyone's sake. You made your point, now move on with your life (or do you not have one?). "

PATRIOT wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:13 AM:

" TO MELISSA,
RESPONDING BACK TO YOUR COMMENT TO ME.. YOUR RIGHT AND IF THERE WERE NO GAY AND LESBIANS THE WORLD WILL STILL ROTATE AND FUNCTION. ANYBODY WANNA GET A PETITION GOING FOR STRAIGHT INDIVIDUALS,COUPLES,FAMILIES? HANFORD NEEDS THIS KIND OF EVENT, SINCE THE OTHERS WANT THERES......I SAY WE CAN CALL IT FRIDAY NIGHT STRAIGHT PARADE,MARKET.... "

jeff wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:50 AM:

" My Two Cents, thanks for your reply it does clear up your position. I think one thing you should remember is that the homosexuals are trying to fight for rights here. Many people are telling them they can’t have certain rights, if they just sit down and don’t speak out they will never obtain these rights. If people would stop telling them no, then nobody would be writing articles about this topic. You also have the freedom to not read them. I entirely understand your point of view about this topic being run into the ground but again if people who oppose it would stop telling other humans they can’t live like everyone else than none of this would be happening. Anyways I think you’re in the right after reading your replies. You can be against it, not understand it and not condone it but it’s not our right to judge and deny here. "

Lisa wrote on Jun 27, 2008 9:52 AM:

" Oh, and one more thing. You stated that it's "funny how many mean things people say on here and not once when I'm in town will someone come up to me and say anything..." Well guess what Melissa? You are not the big celebrity you seem to view yourself as. I think perhaps you should wear a name tag and keep an entourage around you so people will know what a big star you are and can speak to you directly. Just because you had one picture in the paper doesn't mean everyone should instantly recognize you and strike up an indepth conversation about your obsession with your sexuality. Just thought you might want to be just a tiny bit realistic..... "

Straight in Hanford wrote on Jun 27, 2008 11:40 AM:

" Come on this is petty. No matter how you feel about the gay lifestyle....its here to stay. Nothing you say is going to change it. Its their life and how they want to live it is not for us to judge it.

Yes, in the Bible it say that it is wrong. Dont pass your judgement on them. I am straight and married with kids. I have a neice that is gay and I love her no matter what. If one of my four kids feel that this is the life that they want to live...so be it.

So they are gay and want the world to know big deal turn the other way and dont look. Just drop the subject already. You support straight life they support the gay life. "

Will A wrote on Jun 27, 2008 1:19 PM:

" Well having not been at his parade I can only imagine what it may have been. My only experience with "Gay Pride" was in Long Beach on my honeymoon, where they were ending what they called Gay Pride Week. What I saw were a bunch of men basically humping eachother more or less right there in the street...

When my wife and I demonstrate our heterosexual prode we do so in the privacy of our own home. I think the second response in this comments section said it all. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 27, 2008 3:22 PM:

" Ah, Scott, Scott . . . Mark Twain again?

So far away, so safe, and yet such a profound commentary on the human condition.

Yet, when I think of vocal expatriates in a land of no war or terror, I am tempted to recall this observation from a great man of peace and would like to share:

"Cowards can never be moral."

- Mahatma Gandhi (1869-1948) Preeminent leader of Indian nationalism and nonviolence. "

Angel wrote on Jun 27, 2008 4:12 PM:

" lol You people are funny. Reading this is like seeing a bunch of kids fight because of their choise of favorite color. Get over it already this is America the land of the free, if you don't like it LEAVE!!! "

Are you Kidding me wrote on Jun 27, 2008 5:53 PM:

" How about a Tahoe Joe's? "

CJ wrote on Jun 27, 2008 7:49 PM:

" My Gosh, who cares. If you want to be gay, then be gay. Live your life and be happy. You guys are not hurting anyone, but people who are religious kooks. The thing is , Melissa, you used the word respect. That is not a given, it is earned. Parading around acting foolish and silly is not going to help you get respect. Think about it! The taste of acceptance, WTF? Gay parades are not going to make people accept you or homosexuality. Showing pride in your sexual preference , well whatever, that should be that of a personal manner. NOT to be flaunted in public. It just makes those who paticipate look ridulous. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 11:16 PM:

" How many relatives did you lose in the Revolutionary War Scott Tucker, How many in the Civil War, How many in the Spanish American War, WWI and WWII? That's what I thought now go set down behind your pulpit and remember not to stand up again until you can relate to the conversation at hand. My Grandfathers, grandgathers grandfather and his brother fought in the civil war one on each side. That's where I can trace it back to so far but it may have been farther back than that, we are still tracing our roots. But in any measure it is a tradition in my family which has continued on through Iraq which I am very proud of, too bad you can't say the same. What was the Boston Tea Party Taxation without representation, well it didn't work my tax dollars still are being spent at the rate of 50% of my total tax bill on education and I don't have anyone left to educate so tell me what did they do it for, we are still there thanks to the give-a-way Democrats everytime they get elected. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 11:36 PM:

" Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 27, 2008 5:21 AM:

" Fred, with your hightened sense of ultranationalism, what do you call the Boston Tea Party, the Boston Massacre, the Burning of the HMS Peggy Stewart, etc? Were these not also riotous acts? Do you not thank these Revolutionary rioters for the rights you enjoy as an American today? "

Sorry, that was long before I came along my war was Vietnam, which one of these below did you stand up and be counted in?

Scott my answer to that is Ganada, Bosnia, Darfur, Afghanistan, Iraq I, Iraq II here were a couple of real riots you could have shown up for, where were you, I know you are old enough to qualify for at least a couple of those little conflicts as you call them.

It's real easy when you are setting in the boat instead of standing in the swamp to deal with the alligators, now isn't it.

You stand in a neutral nation who fought one war longer than all of ours combined and set on that perch like you are prouder of it than you are your homeland. "

O. G. wrote on Jun 27, 2008 11:53 PM:

" I was washing my hands in the men's room in the Alamoana Mall when she walked in. One of the guys walking out politely said, "Excuse me mam, but the ladies room is next door." It was then she raised her dress exposing his genetalia saying, "I'm a man, see!"
It was then I realized that he could drift in and out of any bathroom he wanted to and then I wondered if an unsuspecting parent could ever feel safe to let their child use a restroom with deviants like this moving in and out.
Then I was surprised on my return from Hawaii to find out that the governor of Colorada signed a law that makes it illegal for business owners to prevent a man from using a restroom designated for women.
Such an individual can use any public restroom or locker room that he/she chooses without regard to his anatomy. Oh, that law was pushed by the Gay and Lesbian Alliance and so when you talk about marriage - it's going well beyond that. http://www.humanevents.com/article.php...
As it says on Hannity's website: "I can see now why Democrats wanted to hold their DNC convention in Colorado" "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 28, 2008 12:04 AM:

" Scott Tucker - the difference being I can tell the difference between an honest reliable effort to make a revolt to something more so than causing a riot to steal a new television set and furniture for my house. I've paid with my own money for everything in my home and I expect others to earn the money and do the same thing. So they can take the same pride in ownership that I have.

A rebellion for a just cause is much different than rioting to place party a and party be where husband and wife use to reside Mr. Tucker.

Melissa is all over the paper now acting like some sort of celebrity because she had one story come out in the paper. Whippee the dudes causing trouble in town make the blotter every week. "

Melissa wrote on Jun 28, 2008 1:48 AM:

" Oh Lisa...I am not jumping up and saying "Hey I'm Q U E E R!!! I'm jumping up and saying that our parades are just fine. and I am fighting for not only marriage rights, but full equality both at state and federal levels

All the other civil rights movements went through isnot so far backTo thank god for HIV is sick.HIV is not a gay disease. Im looking for a umbrealla of equality a birth given right to be given back to us so that when we marry the Feds no it too.

So again I ask the question..what would you do when your child comes out to you? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 28, 2008 7:43 AM:

" Alejandro - you know how our friend from the Swiss Banks is always putting down America for it's nonsense, check out this latest blurb I found in Wikepedia:

Swiss health officials and police often open up garbage for which the disposal charge has not been paid. They search for evidence such as old bills which connect the bag to the household/person they originated from. Fines for not paying the disposal fee range from CHF 200–500.[37]

In Switzerland they actually have Garbage Police! Wow you talk about bigots you should read this immigration law they have. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 28, 2008 7:48 AM:

" Alejandro - immigration
According to Pascal Sciarini, professor of political science at the University of Geneva, the People's Party's recent electoral success is down to its tough line on foreigners, and it is now a prisoner of this strategy: "They have to keep the fires burning, and that means they have to come up with new ideas and at the same time harden their stance," he said. Although Switzerland has Europe's toughest naturalisation laws - foreigners must live for 12 years in a Swiss community before they can apply, and being born in Switzerland brings no right to citizenship -, Swiss People's Party passed a new naturalisation procedure in 2007, called Democratic Naturalisation in this new procedure foreigners must often be approved by the entire voting community, in a secret ballot, or a show of hands. A report, from Switzerland's Federal Commission on Racial Discrimination, into the new process of naturalisation says the current system is discriminatory and in many respects racist, and recommends far-reaching changes. It criticises the practice of allowing members of a community to vote on an individual's citizenship application. Muslims, Jews, Buddhists and people from the Balkans, Africa, Asia and Latin America are "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 28, 2008 8:16 AM:

" Mrs. D I can't believe with your attitude you are married to a man.

Mrs.D wrote on Jun 24, 2008 8:04 PM:

" Ms. Denton, A Gay Pride Parade is always fun. When we lived in San Diego we attended one and found it like Mardis Gras but in a better city. We could have a Gay Pride Parade here in Hanford but there are too many rain drops living here to ruin it for everyone. Even though there are plenty of gays and lesbians living in Kings County, the ignorant mob rules.

God bless you and your family. "

Man Hater!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Lisa wrote on Jun 28, 2008 10:49 AM:

" Ok Melissa. If my child were gay I would love them and embrace them as the PEOPLE that they are. But I would also teach them that there is more to life than their sexuality. You claim to be so educated and so TOLERANT and yet you say how hetros make you want to puke? Gee thanks. Hope your son doesn't turn out straight. He might make you want to PUKE. "

HUHS wrote on Jun 28, 2008 1:04 PM:

" Does anybody actually moderate these boards? Have the standards at the Sentinel been set so low that any ignorant hater may post any vitriol they wish? I am so disappointed with the level of discourse here that I'm barely able to remember that I wanted to wish well to Ms. Denton. It can't be easy to live amongst such smallmindedness. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 28, 2008 4:34 PM:

" Melissa,
Was it not you who warned that gay men didn't have anything to do with the start of aids in this country. Read on:

The last time public health officials worried about syphilis outbreaks among gay men was in the late 1970s and early 1980s, when bathhouses were in their prime. Syphilis rates hit a decade-long peak during the unfolding tragedy of the then-mysterious AIDS epidemic in 1983. At the time, a French-Canadian flight attendant named Gaetan Dugas was a loyal bathhouse customer. According to Randy Shilts, the reporter who wrote the history of the early AIDS epidemic, And the Band Played On, Dugas was blond, handsome, and ravenous for partners. His job took him to cities throughout North America, where, by his own claim, he had sex with 250 men a year for at least three years. Later, when he became one of the first men diagnosed with the "gay cancer" of Kaposi's sarcoma, William Darrow, a disease control specialist for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, managed to link Dugas to 40 of the first 248 AIDS cases diagnosed in this country in 10 different cities. "

O. G. wrote on Jun 28, 2008 6:40 PM:

" Check out these photos of a gay parade...would you want your children to witness this????http://massresistance.org/docs/gen/08b/tranny_parade/part1/index.html "

to huhs wrote on Jun 28, 2008 7:50 PM:

" How is it that to express that your core moral compass tells you that homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, and expressing this opinion, somehow one is labeled an ignorant hater? I dont hate gays. I simply believe, on a human level, that they have chosen a lifestyle that is very unnatural and selfish. And, it is totally obvious that gays do not want acceptance, they want to 'change' people and their opinions to justify their own behavior. As I have stated before, I have never met a happy gay person. Even now that coming out of the closet and running around throwing it into everyones faces is all the rage, all the gays I know are still miserable humans. So, giving my opinion based on my own personal observations certainly does not qualify me as an ignorant hater, but a well informed person unwilling to accept the hype and excuses for the behavior and lifestyle choices of gays. Seriously, the only people who need to accept this lifestyle choice is those who choose it, but they feel the need to be validated, which is both annoying and pathetic! "

BJMallory wrote on Jun 29, 2008 9:37 AM:

" Hey O.G., what do DEMOCRATS have to do with deviants in bathrooms? Maybe I should ask LARRY CRAIG. In case you are ignorant, Larry Craig is the REPUBLICAN senator from Idaho who was arrested for trying to solicit sex with another man in a men's bathroom at the Minneapolis airport. Too bad the other man in question was a UNDERCOVER OFFICER! HAHAHAHAHA!!! Maybe the transvestite you encountered just wanted to relive himself rather than make a pass at you or anyone's children. Can't say the same about Larry Craig, now can we? Except for the children part, maybe. Get off the whole Republicans are moral and good, Democrats are deviant and evil fairy tale. There is good and bad in EVERYONE, political leanings have nothing to do with the equation. For example, whether an R or D appeared before his name, George Bush would still be a lying, idiotic ,C- student who can't form a sentence, paper tiger of a President. "

BJMallory wrote on Jun 29, 2008 9:43 AM:

" Melissa, you need to slow down. Excuse me for not being very educated, what with my only having a high school diploma and 30 credits of college. I read and re-read this paragraph you wrote and I still don't understand how you received a degree:

"All the other civil rights movements went through isnot so far backTo thank god for HIV is sick.HIV is not a gay disease. Im looking for a umbrealla of equality a birth given right to be given back to us so that when we marry the Feds no it too."

I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm just saying you're not really adding to your own credibility to speak intelligently on this subject when you reply in this fashion. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 29, 2008 11:46 AM:

" Freddy, your love for me and the country where I reside knows no bounds. Thank you for making every issue here about me and the Swiss. I am going on vacation for two weeks, so feel free to write all the fun stuff you want about me and Switzerland in my absence. I will not be around to point out the stupidity of your arguments.

By the way, use a dictionary and look up the difference between "sit" and "set". Perhaps there is a very dusty Webster's "setting" on your self at this very moment. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 29, 2008 2:08 PM:

" "Check out these photos of a gay parade...would you want your children to witness this????"

I looked at those photos on the link offered and I have to say that there is absolutely nothing there that is shocking or out of the ordinary. The only shocking thing in those photos is the gut of the guy in the blue baseball cap. "

Watchdog wrote on Jun 29, 2008 10:27 PM:

" Scotty Poo and his wife too - have a wonderful vacation and may you enjoy it so much you leave Swtizerland for another country in Europe. Preferrably Germany East Germany. "

FaithHopeCharity wrote on Jun 30, 2008 12:04 AM:

" To the fellow Christians, Don't you know the devil wants you to reply like the way that you are and when you give him that room to put any anger or otherwise you are showing the unbeliever that we are a people so quick to judge. As a christian we can't play into that, no I dont agree with the same sex marriage but I have to remember that I am representing Christ therefore I have to approach things differently. When you spit hate and judgement then we may win the battle but lose the war. We are to show them His love. I am not saying just lay down and let this go through, no, but do it with the authority of God. And with the approval of Him. The world is ready to discredit our God and that is just what satan wants. Don't waste your time fighting with words that spell hate to the world. Instead pray and ask the Lord to guide you. Be careful what you say and do, the world is ready to say we are hypocrits, we arent perfect but the world thinks that we think we are. Dont give them room. "

Evil Spotter wrote on Jun 30, 2008 1:17 AM:

" Hay Scott Tucker, If you thought the only shocking thing in those pictures from the link O.G. posted was the guy (without a shirt) in the blue baseball cap with the "big gut", maybe you should look a little closer, because THAT WAS NOT A GUY. That was a woman who's had her breasts removed, as were all the other topless "guys" in the photos. As for that being shocking, how discriminatory of you, she might have been pregnant. I guess it's gonna be formula for that kid. "

O. G. wrote on Jun 30, 2008 10:04 AM:

" “In fact, the most hate-filled people we have ever met are the homosexual activists who are forcing their world view on others.”–David Burdett, UK "

jeff wrote on Jun 30, 2008 12:51 PM:

" Fred, " Scotty Poo and his wife too - have a wonderful vacation and may you enjoy it so much you leave Swtizerland for another country in Europe. Preferrably Germany East Germany. " You are aware that WW II is over and the wall has come down? How is this statement not meant to be confrontational? Is this your shining example of being respectful, disciplined and showing manners? Don’t cheapen yourself by trying to pretend your comment was sincere. "

TO MELISSA wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:15 PM:

" I've been going back and forth reading all the comments and now you're just getting straight out annoying. Sorry for using the word straight. Give it up. You're so big on respect and blah, blah.. I can tell you doing THIS won't gain respect from me. Keep your life to yourself. I don't go around writing articles and letters about how straight I am and how people need to respect me. I had to chuckle at how you asked Lisa what would she do when her kid came out and said he/she was gay. You're not even being realistic now. It's getting absolutely ridiculous. Yes, her kid can easily end up being gay but you're really bringing in petty stuff like that??? Honestly, close the thread, delete the article, and Melissa, walk away. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:02 PM:

" Jeff - I am very aware the wall came down it was a staunch Republican Ronald Reagan who ordered Gorbie to "tear down that wall". You are one to talk about excamples, you tell people to shut up and tell them they don't know anything when in fact they are right and you are wrong. You act liked you wrote the Bible and couldn't be wrong about any portion of it that you choose to interpret what you want it to say. You better go look in the mirror before you start slinging mud, Jeff. Most of your Bible quotations not only are wrong but they are so poorly written it doesn't even begin to have credance contained within them. Like your brother Dandre' you profess to be straight but are the first to take up for the opressed gay and lesbians. My comment was sincere, we need the time away from Scott and Scott needs the time away from us. Sincerely. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:29 PM:

" Jeff - at no time have I ever represented I was a Dr. Phil type kindler gentler enabling Dr. Phil. Where you got that Idea I don't know but you can tune him in at this time every night on cable channel 4, like my wife does if you care too.
I did not start going after you or the scholar until you started the name calling and slanderous accusations instead of intelligent, articulate conversation. I have now caught Scott in a bold face lie or he is commiting fraud to vote in elections. The only way according to the Elections Office he can still vote is if he is misrepresenting his residence somewhere here with a relative/friend and they are forwarding and returning an absentee ballot which places them both in violation of election laws and commiting a crime. You sign under penalty of perjury that it is your correct address and you are who you say you are and the person delivering the ballot is acknowledging that information to be true and correct and are forwarding an illegal vote. Now pray tell how does this make him a stellar example to children. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:36 PM:

" Jeff - I don't hold myself to a higher standard people on here have caught me in making a math error and being off by a couple of years on when the Guru Leadership of Hanford graduated High School and each time I have been wrong I have admitted so and tried to put out the correct information in response to it. Do you or the Scholar do that, know you don't.
As to your answer about how this effects me, I have to spend hours on end listening to your made up chatter discussing an issue that more than likely does come closer to your heart than it does mine. I still think this matter will be overturned in the upcoming national election and then we will have to listen to Melissa, You and Scott cry even louder and more often. This issue will be pondered and upheld or declined a dozen more times before we all leave this planet. Although it may make an interesting thread for a minute it doesn't do much more than that in my opinion. Rights no marriage no is gonna be the outcome in November. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:44 PM:

" Jeff - as for whatever your site you referred me to, I didn't go on and look at it, because I would have to give my email address and then they would deluge me with emails I am not interesting in getting, I already get enough of them. Thank You Very Much. However, you can travel to Wikepedia and find this site to help you understand my point. Just click on Russian Military Parades.

The parades began to go downhill in impact and splendour towards the end of the 1980s and during 1991's parade, Mikhail Gorbachev was actually jeered by protesters who raised their banners to obscure the visages of Russia's famous former leaders. Today, it seems mainly to be a slot for protesters than for any kind of chest-beating on the part of the Russian government, although the annual Victory Parade on May 9th still takes place.

For one who swears he was in the military you should be able to recognize the fit. Oh by the way what branch, rank and duty assignement was that again? I don't think you've ever answered that question when posed directly to you! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 7:47 PM:

" Jeff - if you read Evil Spotters blog he also caught Scott Tucker asleep at the wheel in his not noticing anything wrong with the parade site. So it isn't just me and Alejandro who can see fraud when it is presented to us. We all make mistakes my friend even good old competent you and Dandre, the only difference is you two fail to ever admit them. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2008 9:03 PM:

" The previous blogs are the example of an old education and a new one. We were not taught a test to pass, we were taught how to research and find answers for ourselves. Not to rely on hearsay or others opinions but to form our own with the proper investigation to make an informed concise opinion regarding anything we didn't already understand and know about. Our teachers even encouraged us to research items in their curriculum for truth of content, they didn't expect us to take them at their word on blind faith at every comment. I value the education I received both in sdhool and out in the world it has made me a better person for having experienced both. This is not to say I am always without error we all know better than that, but you can bet if you call me on something and I know I am right, I'll provide you fact to back it up, or be man enough to say I got it wrong. That's more than Barack Hussein Obama can say. Hillary Clinton was trash until he figured out he can't win without her. "

jeff wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:15 AM:

" Fred, if my Bible quotations are wrong and poorly written than you should take that up with the authors of the Bible since I copy and paste them straight from the KJV online. Where have I ever told anyone to shut up? I do not interpret the Bible; I take what it says literally. What does Dr. Phil have to do with anything I have said or this conversation? What web sites have I referred you to on this thread? I have never referred anyone to a web site that requires email validation, please stop lying and just admit you are unwilling to view information that shows how wrong you are. I have never made any claim of being in the military, you are again confusing information, which is your Achilles heel. If you have been encouraged to research data to make informed decisions why do you refuse to read anything that disagrees with you? That is called being closed minded. "

jeff wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Fred, As far as admitting mistakes or not I would be more than happy to do so except you never cite examples of when I’ve been wrong you just keep saying over and over again that I am. That is not proof of anything. If you were not aware you do not win arguments on message boards by simply typing more words than the other guy. You need to provide factual, supported data. Typing away your thoughts and feelings proves nothing. You mentioned that my Bible quotes are poorly written, this is a false statement as I’ve pointed out, I am not sure you’ve ever read the Bible if you really believe that. I felt it would expedient to point out –since you attempted to say I do not write well – that you’re last six posts include no less than 12 spelling errors and 14 grammatical errors. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:03 PM:

" Jeff - KJV you may alter them anyway you choose to read whatever you want to in them just like you claimed I could do with Wikepedia, sounds like you have, I didn't know they could be altered. Pastes that is. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:12 PM:

" Hey Watchdog,

Do you notice that when you make your point here successfully some far left posters just cannot cope and resort to pointing out spelling and grammar errors we all can make?

Just like Ritalin® helps with hyperactive kids, we should give rabid progressives a drug to calm them down.

A medicine for hyperactive liberals . . . calm them down . . .

Wait there is already one on the market; an old one at that, called

LIBRIUM®.

Now if we can just get Rebecca (retired pharmacist) to fill the prescription and do some patient teaching... "

jeff wrote on Jul 1, 2008 4:19 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:03 PM:
" Jeff - KJV you may alter them anyway you choose to read whatever you want to in them just like you claimed I could do with Wikepedia, sounds like you have, I didn't know they could be altered. Pastes that is.

This is very hard to understand but I think the point Fred is trying to make is he thinks I alter what the Bible says online? I am unclear what gives Fred this idea. Let me make this perfectly clear to you Fred. When I paste lines of scripture here I copy them from a web site called biblegateway.com. This site cannot be altered or edited by users. The site is operated by a company called “Gospel Communications”. It is not some Atheist web site that re writes the Bible to suit their needs. I then paste them directly onto the Sentinel’s site. The scripture I offer in my posts are not altered in any way. The fact that you think they are leads me to believe you have never read the Bible or you would know this. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:29 PM:

" Hey Alejandro - have you noticed how Jeff just ignores the meat of the argument. I have shut him down at every crossing today right down to providing him with the .gov cites he wanted and he ignores it all to point out my grammar and spelling mistakes, and now all of a sudden can't understand my statements. That's how wars are won by the other guy not understanding what you are doing. He didn't even get the response I sent him about his bible posts when he questioned the accuracy and accused me of changing pastes from Wikepedia. You can't change a paste from either cite.
The liberals evidently don't like it when we resort to their tactics. By the way, have you heard the latest from democrat Joe Lieberman, he had confirmed by the white house today. He thinks that there will be another attack on our borders to test the new president, how many times have you heard me say that on here? The loyal Democrat stated he wants the only candidate qualified for Commander and Chief John McCain in office when that attack comes. "

Melissa wrote on Jul 2, 2008 1:45 AM:

" Oh i missed a lot! well not really...I went to San Fransisco this past weekend, and it was pride weekend up there and quess what? I didn't see a hide or hair of the parade...see there are ways to keep your snotty noses away from our events. But I have to tell you that I went to the True Colors Tour and it was great!!!! Cindi Lauper was awesome! the b 52s hot! well the message was LGBTQs are not aliens...we are sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, grandchild, aunts, uncles, cousins, friends and neighbors. And we deserve all the rights and liberties as all the other sons and daughters, mothers and fathers..... "

jeff wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Fred,
“Hey Alejandro - have you noticed how Jeff just ignores the meat of the argument. I have shut him down at every crossing today right down to providing him with the .gov cites he wanted” What .gov sites? I see none in this thread.
“and now all of a sudden can't understand my statements.” That is because you don’t write with proper English. You need to learn how to use commas and periods. Maybe take an ESL class.

“He didn't even get the response I sent him about his bible posts when he questioned the accuracy and accused me of changing pastes from Wikepedia. You can't change a paste from either cite.” What post are you referring to? I don’t see one here that reflects what you are saying and I never accused you of anything. Can you please site an example where I accused you of editing Wikipedia entries?

Joe Lieberman is not a loyal Democrat, if he was he would not have ran as an Independent. "

jeff wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:00 AM:

" Fred,

When are you going to answer questions that I actually ask you?

1. Where have I ever told anyone to shut up?
2. What does Dr. Phil have to do with anything I have said or this conversation?
3. What web sites have I referred you to on this thread – Or any other - that requires an email?
4. If you have been encouraged to research data to make informed decisions why do you refuse to read anything that disagrees with you?

There are also many unanswered questions by you on many other boards here. Can you answer any of those questions? "

Melisy keysa wrote on Jul 2, 2008 7:38 PM:

" BJ...sorry....my keyboard sticks on the space bar. I was responding to certain people, really had nothing much to say to anyone else but that person...I'm not being rude, please don't think that.
To all the other posts to me...I'm not forcing my sexuality on anyone, but there is nothing wrong accepting one's sexuality. This society is sexually opressed and it is sad. If women would fulfill her man's desires he wouldn't cheat and vise versa. The act of making love or what ever it you may call it is beautiful and no one should ever tell you that you are wrong. God doesn't play a part in the bedroom. I am not a lesbian...my sexuality and lifestlye go hand in hand. I could not live one with out the other. The life I live most couldn't do...so no I don't force it on you. What I expect is equality. Humans shouldn't have to work for that. It is sad that we do. I wonder what the world would be like if England wasn't the super power back then, and Africa was..Just a thought "

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