Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 6:23 PM:
" Once again the tradition of service and honor are the main topic of the McCain family. When are you liberals gonna wake up and realize who is better equipped to deal with this war.
With two sons who have followed in the McCain military tradition -- one of them has served in Iraq -- Mrs. McCain has absolutely no interest in playing political patriot games. To the contrary, as a military mother and wife, she has a real opportunity and potential responsibility to increase our awareness and appreciation for those who serve. It's an opportunity and duty she's ready for. In an interview with her last month, McCain told me, "I'm not any different than any other mother, father, family member around the country with children in the service. I feel the same way, I know how they feel, and so in that respect I'm absolutely no different. Each day, I'm so deeply proud of their service and deeply honored that our children would do this, that they'd commit a part of their lives to serving their country. So I'm like everybody else. We're all in this together and we feel exactly the same way." "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 6:27 PM:
" Once again the tradition of service and honor are the main topic of the McCain family. When are you liberals gonna wake up and realize who is better equipped to deal with this war.
What you will see, though, is clarification on the part of Mrs. McCain, and a continued softening of Mrs. Obama. Mrs. Obama started that with her appearance on "The View," where she talked about very little of substance (an approach the show invites by its very nature). But by her very nature, McCain focuses in on the war, and what we owe our soldiers, in her interviews: "I want a leader who will bring them home with dignity."
Now that is the difference between McCain and Obama. McCain says bring them home with dignity, Obama says just bring them home, no plan no schedule, no indication of what will happen to the Iraqi people.
If this isn't handled correctly we will be right back in it due to all the blood shed upon our departure. That is the part Clinton didn't get and Obama doesn't get. The liberal left doesn't get it either. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2008 6:32 PM:
" All you liberal neocons continually say this will not be another Vietnam, well if we throw our hands up, pull our troops out and be damn the iraqis, guess what you have another Vietnam. Look how many years we were in Japan, England, France, Italy, etc, etc., after WWII? Look at the cost in todays dollars we spent to rebuild and reestablish governments in those countries. It's part of the Democracy thing, either you are commited to it for all or you're not commited at all. You can't be on the fence when it comes to offering a country freedoms they have never had, either you mean it or you don't. Is Democracy so precious we want to share it with all or so precious we can only allow us to have it. This is the United States of America did you get that first word United we stand Devided we fall. It's that plain and simple folks. "
Dandre wrote on Jun 29, 2008 1:54 AM:
" ''Liberal neocons'.....fred your propaganda is soooo clever!
Cindy McCain...hmmm lets see, what did johnny boy call his lovely wife.....
'...at least I don't pack my face with makeup like a trollop you c###!
my friends, that's not family values you can believe in'....... "
Dandre wrote on Jun 29, 2008 10:37 AM:
" Newsweek: McCains Default On Home Taxes For Four Years, Face Penalties
whooops! "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 29, 2008 2:28 PM:
" "In an interview with her last month, McCain told me, "I'm not any different than any other mother [...]"
Fred, how did you manage to get an interview with Mrs. McCain? It's pretty cool that you have actually met her. Oh wait, you "borrowed" that sentence from Ms. Lopez. From one friend to another, learn to use quotation marks, so that we can better follow your hard-to-follow comments.
By the way, what is a "liberal neocon"? If you are using it in a derogatory manner, I am glad to see that you have finally realized that a neocon (Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al.) is a bad thing. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 29, 2008 7:23 PM:
" Duane Andre,
Please do not trash talk in these posts.
It might be your way at home, but please show a modicum of decorum for the rest of us.
Thank you, sir. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 29, 2008 7:48 PM:
" Oh sorry Scott and Duane the deffinition came from the deffinition section of online law library. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 29, 2008 7:56 PM:
" Scott Tucker so do the Garbage Police just show up or does someone have to call them and report you? I am so curious in this country you're mesmerized by that such a practice is allowed, I always thought sorting through one's trash was the job of the papparazi or private detectives trying to blame you for a murder. It also amazed me to find out you have to reside in Swtizerland twelve (12) years to be eligible for citizenship and then it is determined by a vote of your friends, neighbors and everyone else in town you may have peeved off over the last eleven years. Dandre is right research can be fun and enlightening.
I had honestly forgotten the Matterhorn wasn't just a ride at Disneyland where all those boys and girls where those neet shorts.
Do you really get drunk faster on foreign ale Scott? Go ahead I know you had to find out, you can answer even teachers drink, I know my cousin use to own a liquor store in town and sold it to them regularly. Almost like clockwork sometimes. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 30, 2008 11:15 AM:
" Fred, I am leaving for my trip this evening (no, I am not going to East Germany, as it no longer exists. East Germany has been gone for quite some time now. My wife and I are going to Vienna to visit a cousin, and then to Paris to visit some friends), so no time to answer your Switzerland questions. However, if you will remind me in two week's time about the garbage-police and the Swiss naturalization process, I will give you an answer. Thanks for the "scotty poo and wife too" wishes. Your poetry, while not great, is at least cute.
BTW, I saw that you quoted a dictionary. Nice job. One thing though..."definition", not "deffinition".
See ya in two weeks! "
Dandre wrote on Jun 30, 2008 11:41 AM:
" Ale..the trashman speaketh "
jeff wrote on Jun 30, 2008 3:05 PM:
" Fred, “Do you really get drunk faster on foreign ale Scott? Go ahead I know you had to find out, you can answer even teachers drink, I know my cousin use to own a liquor store in town and sold it to them regularly. Almost like clockwork sometimes.” Another example of you showing your ability to be disciplined, respectful and full of good manners without being confrontational?
“Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 25, 2008 1:07 AM:
" Jeff - I think you need to show a little more discipline and manners when responding to commentators here in these blogs. Alejandro's comments unlike this one of mine was not directed at you it was a response to comments many of you through out to everyone. So just please show some respect and try not to scold other bloggers on here, that isn't what this forum is all about if you will take time to read the ground rules. Click on the terms of use and rules of the road and you just might get an education on how things work on here.
I get a little involved in my comments as well but I try to avoid scolding and confrontational comments.” "
Mrs.D wrote on Jun 30, 2008 3:08 PM:
" Watchdog Fred, do you think anyone would want to let McCain run this war? As unstable and unpredictable as he is, I wouldn't let him run a lemonade stand. The GOP better find someone well suited for the job...maybe get into the WABAC machine and get someone! "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:16 PM:
" You are not proud of being a trash man, are you Duane Andre? Trash talk is never the high road and tends to offend people's sensibilities. You are much better a person than that.
Better you try to recheck your spelling and grammar before Scott gets back from yet another two-week vacation. He seem to be picking out all of the writing errors that patriotic conservative posters here seem to miss. I don't know, it's the grade school teacher in him I guess.
What's that - his third one this year? No wonder why Europeans love their countries.
And - more on topic - Mrs. McCain shows us what an selfless and classy First Lady she would be.
And I'll bet it wouldn't be ‘for the first time in her life,' either. "
Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jun 30, 2008 8:59 PM:
" Cindy McCain is not a camp follower. She stayed in Phoenix while her husband worked in Washington, D.C. As someone who gave up every retirement opportunity for myself other than as an appendage to a husband who traveled here there and everywhere with his government jobs, I cannot bond to a woman who puts herself and her business before her husband. I gave up too much to respect a woman who gave up nothing and told her husband to revolve around her. Bob Barr is running for President, so there is a choice besides a possible Manchurian Candidate and a liar who said he is not a Muslim but was registered as a Muslim at a Wahabi (worst kind) school in Indonesia until the age of 12 with the name Barry Soetoro (aka Barak Obama).His wife Michelle had to insist he go to a Black hate America church to run for political office. Slim pickings this election.Sadly for America, the mafia owns the US Presidential election machines according to Hal Lindsey. Bush cut a deal with the mafia and now Afganistan is the big opium producer for the mafia as it was before the Taliban days. "
the Dems will never like her wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:24 AM:
" Let's see, she is not gay, not a slut, not a drug user, not an illegal alien, not a minority, not a criminal, not weak on crime, not weak on military, not athiest, not uneducated.... the Dems and liberals will never like her. "
running a war wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:30 AM:
" I'm a little confused, does anyone think the Democrats can actually run a war??? Carter couldn't even free our hostages while they were kept in Iran. Clinton couldn't even retaliate from a terrorist attack. Reagan won the cold war, Bush Sr. freed Kuwait and sent Iraq back to the stone age, President Bush "
running a war wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:34 AM:
" I'm a little confused, does anyone think the Democrats can actually run a war??? Carter couldn't even free our hostages while they were kept in Iran for like a year. Clinton couldn't even retaliate from a terrorist attack. Reagan won the cold war and brough down he Berlin Wall, Bush Sr. freed Kuwait and sent Iraq back to the stone age, President Bush freed Afganistan from the Taliban, killed a ton of Al Queda, and freed Iraq from a hated dictator..... Hillary can't keep track of her own husband, Obama doesn't even know what his own church supports. You must be kidding that either one of these idiots can run a country or a war. I'll vote for McCain any day over those losers. "
Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:13 AM:
" I cannot identify with a woman who puts herself and her business before her husband and who refused to be a campfollower and have a second home in Washington, D.C. Is Cindy McCain REALLY going to move into the White House? Won't that interfere with the wholesale beer business in Phoenix that a mafia don bequested to Cindy's father? When Amy Chandler married Victor Krulak,Sr., she followed him all over the world in his USMC career even though she was listed in Forbes before her death as a BILLIONAIRE. Amy was not above being a campfollower and her youngest son became a Commandant of the USMC. Her two other sons became a Navy Chaplain Captain and a Reserves Captain. She managed her BILLION dollar empire while on the move and raising a family. Before selling the news media assets, that included Newsweek Magazine and US News and World Report and the Los Angeles Times newspaper. Cindy is a lightweight compared to Amy. "
jeff wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:18 AM:
" ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:16 PM:
“Trash talk is never the high road and tends to offend people's sensibilities.”
Is this just you giving us examples of trash talk or did you hit your head and forget to take the high road?
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 26, 2008 4:27 PM:
" OK, now I can say this cynically. If I wasn't a normal heterosexual male, the perversion... whoops, I mean deviant lifestyle, ...whoops I mean alternate sexual identity person I would become is a ‘pansexual.'
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 29, 2008 7:05 PM:
" Scott Tucker once again shows us exactly his point of view:
"People can choose to worship Jesus or a gummi-worm."
What if I say that people can choose to live in Switzerland or a sewer, right Scott?
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jun 30, 2008 4:24 PM:
" Hey Watchdog,
Just don't make any jazz or music related points here. Experts abound here and abroad.
After all, three semesters of community college music is far beyond what what most of us get. "
Devils Advocate wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:15 PM:
" I will not vote for John McCain. He frightens me as he seems one straw away from becoming completely unhinged. Cindy adds to my uneasiness; can't tell you why, though. Its disheartening to realize I'm unable to trust any of the only electable candidates with the office of the presidency. This year, instead of voting for what I believe to be a minimally-qualified-but-electable candidate as I have in years past, I will be voting for someone, though unelectable, that has always seemed, to me, to be the best candidate: Alan Keyes. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:24 PM:
" Hey D.A.
I agree with you 100%.
For a long time I have believed that Alan Keys is a savvy American and a great patriot in the traditional sense.
A shame he lost out to Obama in Illinois, but in today's media-driven world superficial charisma and a lack of substance trumps intelligence and traditional values every time.
What are we gonna ‘change' next? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:00 PM:
" To Devil's Advocate - if you want to back a three time loser for the Presidency who am I to say anything, But I would like a demonstrated leader as Commander and Chief and I don't mean some guy who helped mom coach the soccer team in nowhere, Kentucky. I want a tried and true combat veteran who knows what he is doing when he sends others into harms way and what they can expect from being sent there. On this ballot that leaves only one choice and that is John McCain.
A man who flew 23 missions over Vietnam and bombed targets of importance and most of us haven't even been to San Francisco 23 times, much less an enemy territory where we might get shot down in a plane like he did over Hanoi. Both arms, right leg broken almost beyond repair. I think he is the one I want making the final decisions on sending our young American men and women into harms way and backing them with the full support of their government. Not some guy who couldn't even get up and walk out of a church when he should have. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:07 PM:
" To Devil's Advocate - Continued even Hillary Clinton said Obama should have got up and walked out of the church. You know the woman he is beggin to help support him in his run for President. I'd sure like to know when the two of them hugged and kissed and made up. Last I heard she didn't trust him sleeping in the White House waiting for a phone call at 3:00 a.m. You think the Republicans aren't gonna capitalize on those campaign ads, you got another thing coming. Slick Willy still isn't on board the campaign yet because Obama hasn't paid off all of Hillary's debt yet, guess if you want to get elected bad enough you will sucumb to blackmail.
I guess that and the Vice Presidency is all Hillary and Bill want, right? McCain on the other hand has a large number of select people he could call upon to serve with him. People who are like minded and informed about domestic and foreign affairs who can guide this country down the right path to recovery and to a strong military once again. McCain get us out, but with dignity! "
Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:12 PM:
" TO RUNNING A WAR: President Jimmy Carter DID free the US hostages in Iran by paying the Iranian regime billions of dollars to release them on the day of Ronald Reagan's first inauguration. It was CARTER not Reagan who got the hostages released. What the hostage crisis revealed was the need for a different kind of military operation (special forces) that has since evolved. Also recognized was the need to eventually go to war against Iran as a key sponsor to terrorism. That could not happen overnight without nuclear weapons. Bases had to be slowly established during Republican AND Democrat Administrations until Iran was encircled with US bases in Afganistan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the former Southern Russian Republics. Now that Iran is encircled, war is possible without nuking Iran back to the Stone Age as the only option. "
Mrs.D wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:22 PM:
" Not to be off topic, but have you noticed that Cindy McCain looks a lot like Terrence Stamp when he played "Bernadette" in "Priscilla, Queen of the Desert"? Just an obvservation. "
to Ho.Ho.Ho wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:19 PM:
" You must be absolutely joking when you say Carter did free the hostages. Iran freed the hostages because a real President was taking over the office from a weakling loser Democrat. I was a little kid back then and even I knew what Reagan was going to do. I remember him saying to Iran that they need to free them before he took office or HE and the USA would free them. End of Story. He couldn't wait to get into office and free them because he was sick and tired as everybody that we left our hostages there for so damn long with nothing from the White House being done to free them. The Special Ops mission failed because Carter didn't even know what he was doing. Here is the deal, Reagan's threats while running for office got them freed. Don't make me laugh that Carter freed them, that is priceless. Money didn't free them at all, if was pure FEAR of Reagan and they made a very smart choice because Reagan would have freed them at any cost because to him it was a matter of RESPECT. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:55 PM:
" To ho, ho ho are you serious we have had Special Forces since Vietnam. Who you trying to kid, every branch has had tatical since then, the navy seals are what use to be called EOD. What planet you been hangin out on?
In the late 1970s and early 1980s, the Middle East was faced with frequent hostage-taking incidents by hostile organizations. In 1979, Iranian students took hostage 52 employees of the United States embassy in Iran. On January 20, 1981, the day Ronald Reagan became President, the hostages were freed following the Algiers Accords. I see nothing here that says anything about Jimmy Carter. Can you prove it wasn't Reagan who negotiated this deal? The timing seems awful coincidental, did Jimmy Carter set in office all that time and wait until the last minute to free our hostages, is that what you are telling me? "
dose wrote on Jul 2, 2008 12:42 AM:
" cindy mccain a tax evading drug addict. But atleast she is proud of her country, yeah real classy. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 2, 2008 5:24 PM:
" Concerning the Democratic Jimmy Carter fiasco in not freeing the hostages until a Republican was elected, this fact:
"13 hostages released
From November 19-20, 1979, thirteen women and American personnel of African descent that had been captured and held hostage were released."
(Source -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis)
So being a woman and/or African-American had is benefits back then, much like in today's presidential election. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 2, 2008 5:30 PM:
" And leave it to the sublime Ms. D. who cattily denigrates the much more attractive Mrs. McCain.
She alludes to an obscure movie that the homosexual community regards highly in it's 'must-see' transvestite category - shot in exotic Australia no less.
I think Ms. D is hiding something in her closet.
And Mrs. McCain would still make for a classy First Lady who has always been proud of her country. "
jeff wrote on Jul 2, 2008 6:08 PM:
" Alejandro,
You sound a little jealous of African-Americans and women. Maybe you are having a gender and racial identity crisis? What does your factoid about prisoners being released have to do with any of this? What is your point? "
to Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:40 AM:
" You are absolutely wrong in your assessment. I know because I was in Iran during the first storming of the U.S. Embassy in Tehran. Jimmy Carter was percieved as weak, it was him that held the Iranian Generals back, it was him that let the Ayotollah Khomenie back into Iran. While all of you were here, I was there avoiding lead mosquitioes (bullets). The base that I worked at, anyone above the rank of Captain was taken off by the revolutionary guard and executed. The day before I was extracted out of Tehran, several Iranian Generals were taken to the top of a hotel, executed and their bodies dropped to the ground. If Jimmy would have supported the Shah, we would still have had a strong ally in Iran. The people of Iran were friendly to us Americans, they sheltered us, worried about our welfare, told us to stay inside so the rioters wouldn't attack us. It was the Governemnt (Jimmy Carter) of the USA that they didn't like. And it was Reagan that got in trouble for the arms for cash for the contras. "
Mrs.D wrote on Jul 3, 2008 5:56 PM:
" Hey, Alejandro, what about all the little Mother Helpers Mrs. McCain ingested over the years? And the tax records she doesn't want to release to the public? What is she hiding? "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 4, 2008 7:35 PM:
" Once again, on this great American holiday, I say:
"And Mrs. McCain would still make for a classy First Lady who has always been proud of her country."
God bless America, fellow citizens. "
Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:12 AM:
" TO WHOEVER WROTE TO HO ABOUT IRAN ATTACK: I was in graduate school in San Diego when the US Embassy in Iran was stormed and I can assure you the Iranian students at the university I went to HATED the SHAH. They were all for a change in government, as were the Iranian people. Why? The Shah tried to Westernize Iran too rapidly and he was a murderer. If he said someone dies, the person was killed without a trial. His secret police, brutality and reckless spending on gold faucets and mansions was resented by the Iranian people. President Jimmy Carter DID pay forty Billion dollars for the release of the American Embassy captives who were released on the day of President Reagan's first inauguration. You can confirm that by a Freedom of Information Request. The cost was not widely publicized in the news media. It gave the Islamics a thirst for American money and more attacks on embassies followed. What the Iranian people did NOT want was a government that was WORSE than the Shah, but sadly that is what they got. The Ayatollah Khomeni was even more ruthless than the Shah. "
NotHomeGrown wrote on Jul 7, 2008 1:38 PM:
" To Ho.Ho.Ho, I was the one who replied to you. I am sure that many of the students were against the Shah, guess what, who was it that stormed our Embassy twice? Students. The first happened while I was in-country, they were suppossedly looking for Jewish spies and other Iranian leadership, no hostages were taken. How many of our own students go out and protest against our own government. The Shah made a couple of mistakes, yes he was trying to modernize the country, building roads, hospitals, etc. He was also trying to ban the wearing of the chador. But his biggest mistake was taking the land from the Mullahs and distributing it, perhaps too much to family and friends, but also some common people. Believe me I had these discussion with the people living there, even warned that my comments could get me in trouble with SAVAK. But what really happened was the Friday sermons where the Mullahs kept telling all of the people, many who were illeterate, about all the money the Shah was stilling, and that they would give the money to the people. "
NotHomeGrown continued wrote on Jul 7, 2008 1:46 PM:
" To Ho.Ho.Ho. continued. I bet that if you had the opportunity to talk to the majority of those students that you spoke with, they would love to be able to travel back in time and support the Shah vice the Ayatollah.
But everything you have stated still does respond to my statements from first hand experience in Iran. Today as an American citizen you would still be welcomed to visit Esfahan, Shiraz, Tehran, etc. Just don't go there and tell them their country is a shame, for they just like us are very nationalistic, one of the few countries that I have been to in the Middle East (other than Israel) that places country above religion or tribe. Can you produce the FOIA that shows that Jimmy paid 40 BILLION dollars for the release of about 60 American citizens? That is quite a bit of money. "
Carter didnt do anything wrote on Jul 8, 2008 12:03 AM:
" Carter couldn't do anything to get them out and even if he did give them money, it was fear of Reagan that got them released and Carter flushed all that money when Reagan would have gotten them out for free since they were scared of him and only him. Plus hot stupid would it be for a US president to pay extortion money to terrorists, that would prove how bad Carter really was. To Mrs D, how do you not get censored for your filth, you must know someone at the Sentinel.... "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:00 AM:
" Alejandro,
You have to understand the only recent first lady the democrats have had is Hillary. That really isn't a fair comparison to Barbara, Laura Bush or Cindy McCain. They all three have class and their husbands aren't having affairs on them. They conducted theirselves at State Dinners as First Ladies not as the Commander and Chief as Hillary tried on occassion. I guess she was trying to prepare herself just in case she did win back then.
The problem with Cindy McCain for most of the Democrats is she is self made has her own money and doesn't rely on John S. McCain to pay her bills for her. They don't get the total concept of free enterprise that it pertains to men and women alike. She's never had to write a scandalous book about her husband or his infidelity to obtain her riches, she has been a diabolical leader in her own right in private business for some time now.
But for some reason the Ketchup lady and Kerry were fine together after divorces but somehow John McCain and Cindy aren't, go figure. Kerry
imagined he served McCain served. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:02 AM:
" Alejandro,
If you will recall the Swift Boat people and what a major dispute that was, what they all had to say about the 90 day wonder who barely showed his face in the Mekong Delta and was gone. When you serve together even those who don't like you have to admit you served together. There were those on patrol, swift and minesweeps who wouldn't even admit to being in the same navy as Kerry. "
Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jul 8, 2008 11:13 AM:
" TO: NOT HOMEGROWN: The people of Iran wanted the Shah out for various reasons. But taking property from Mullahs is very dangerous. When Spain threw out the Jesuits, the Papacy (White Pope) hired a mercenary army of Islamics under General Francisco Franco and the Jesuit General (Black Pope) and fought a civil war to take back Spain for the Papacy. Religions get very angry and use collections to fund civil wars when they feel threatened. But the Mullahs got the people behind them because of the abuses of the Shah. Reza Pahlavi was not a nice person, but he turned out to be less of a tyrant than the Ayatollahs the Iranian people now want to be rid of. "
Not HomeGrown wrote on Jul 9, 2008 10:05 AM:
" To Ho.Ho.Ho. Not all of the people wanted the Shah out, but when you are brought up to believe that what is being told to you during Friday services is the truth, then when the Mullahs tell you how bad the Shah is, then he must be bad. But how many schools, hospitals, freeways and other modern infrastructure did the Shah create? It is only the subjects of gold sink faucets that everyone thinks of. I tried to crunch the numbers with the people to show them what the Mullahs were spouting and how much the average Iranians would get, vice putting the money into a community for a hospital/school. But greed took over. I am not saying that everything the Shah did was cause to cannonize him, but no worse than many other world leaders. It really boiled down to Ayotollah Khomenie accusing the Shah of killing his son in a car accident, and the Ayotollah wanting to extract revenge. But you are right, the majority of Iranians would love to go back to "old days" vice now. "
Not HomeGrown wrote on Jul 9, 2008 10:09 AM:
" To Ho.Ho.Ho. Continued. This has gone off subject some, but I had to continue the thread since it started with how Jimmy had paid for the release of the hostages. I was posting my views from having been at ground zero at the times leading up to the hostage taking. And I still stick to my belief that the Iranian people as a whole like the American people. My only regrets is in not knowing whether some of the friendships develooped are still with us, or lost to the Revulutionary Guard, or a cannon fodder during the Iraq-Iran war. I also still blame Jimmy Carter for not having the fortitude to stand up and support the Shah rather than turning his back on an ally, which showed the rest of the world that it could happen to them also. "
SJT wrote on Jul 9, 2008 11:51 PM:
" From the chronicles of Republican moral, family values: Just before his retirement in the early eighties, Capt. John McCain was in Hawaii for a visit (not sure if on official business), he attended a party there where he met a 25 year-old blonde, Cindy ... Two months later he divorced his 1st wife, Carol, and married young Cindy. Curiously, Kate leaves this part out; also, Kate would not bring up the subject of divorce, yet she is Catholic and still pro-divorce where Cindy & John McCain are concerned. Wasn't it just a few weeks ago Kate wrote about the abortion issue among potential Catholic voters for Obama? Yes, I remember ... Carol is in her late sixties now. She has trouble getting around because of injuries she'd sustained in a near-fatal car accident while her husband was being held prisoner in Hanoi. So, if you're looking for some good Republican family, moral values, look not to Cindy McCain, look instead to Carol McCain. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 10, 2008 11:09 AM:
" SJT - would you care to comment on the good moral values demonstrated by the good Democrats Bill and Hillary Clinton, while they held office in the White House?
Perhaps John F. Kennedy and his moral fiber while he conducted secret meetings with Maryland Monroe during his service to the American People. The honorable J. Edgar Hoover, FBI Director had tapes and documented these meetings. Perhaps you wish to discuss the slaughter that occured on his watch at the Bay of Pigs, where they were promised air support and military intervention in their over throw of Fidel Castro by our government?
People mock Bush and make all matter of fun at him, but we haven't had that second terrorist attack he hasn't cheated on his wife. He knows how to conduct himself as a genleman commited to his wife for life. He isn't running around behind her back have trist after trist smoking cigars bathed in everyone knows what and laughint at her behind her back. "
Ho.Ho.Ho. wrote on Jul 10, 2008 12:14 PM:
" TO SJT: Washington, D.C. used to be known as the place where old men were married to the women they married when they were young. But the personal toll and expense of politics has changed that to politicians remarrying is no longer news. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich abandoned his first wife when she had cancer and that did not affect his electability. Ronald Reagan divorced and remarried and was footloose and fancy free until his fifties since he told someone that the age of fifty is when you are grateful a woman turns down a proposition. Moses in the Bible also remarried because the daughter of Jethro would not go with him to lead the Hebrews out of Egypt. What is important is to provide for your own, which John McCain's full salary as a POW did for his family as wellas a divorce settlement with his wife likely getting half his US Navy retirement income which for a senior officer ain't hay. It is unfortunate when a marriage fails, but life goes on.Obama's alleged affair with Oprah Winfrey and the murder of 3 gay males in his church upon his nomination are awful. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:07 PM:
" When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons
had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter.
Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self.
Today, she stands at just 5ft4in and still walks awkwardly, with a pronounced limp. Her body is held together by screws and metal plates and, at 70, her face is worn by wrinkles that speak of decades of silent suffering.
For nearly 30 years, Carol has maintained a dignified silence about the accident, McCain and their divorce. But last week at the bungalow where she now lives at Virginia Beach, a faded seaside resort 200 miles south of Washington, she told The Mail on Sunday how McCain divorced her in 1980 and married Cindy, 18 years his junior and the heir to an Arizona brewing fortune, just one month later. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:09 PM:
" Carol insists she remains on good terms with her ex-husband, who agreed as part of their divorce settlement to pay her medical costs for life. ‘I have no bitterness,’
she says. ‘My accident is well recorded. I had 23 operations, I am five inches shorter than I used to be and I was in hospital for six months. It was just awful, but it wasn’t the reason for my divorce.
‘My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25. You know that happens...it just does.’
Some of McCain’s acquaintances are less forgiving, however. They portray the politician as a self-centred womaniser who effectively abandoned his crippled wife to ‘play the field’. They accuse him of finally settling on Cindy, a former rodeo beauty queen, for financial reasons.
McCain was then earning little more than $65,000 a year as a naval officer, while his new father-in-law, Jim Hensley, was a multi-millionaire who had impeccable political connections. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:12 PM:
" Ted Sampley, who fought with US Special Forces in Vietnam and is now a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights, said: ‘I have been following John McCain’s career for nearly 20 years. I know him personally. There is something wrong with this guy and let me tell you what it is – deceit.
‘When he came home and saw that Carol was not the beauty he left behind, he started running around on her almost right away. Everybody around him knew it.
‘Eventually he met Cindy and she was young and beautiful and very wealthy. At that point McCain just dumped Carol for something he thought was better.
‘This is a guy who makes such a big deal about his character. He has no character. He is a fake. If there was any character in that first marriage, it all belonged to Carol.’
One old friend of the McCains said: ‘Carol always insists she is not bitter, but I think that’s a defence mechanism. She also feels deeply in his debt because in return for her agreement to a divorce, he promised to pay for her medical care for the rest of her life.’ "
Dandre wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:13 PM:
" Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.
‘McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory,’ he said.
‘After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.’ "
SJT wrote on Jul 10, 2008 3:49 PM:
" Yes Fred, it certainly was money (millions) well spent on Ken Starr's investigation of the blue dress. Bill walked away with a 66% approval rating, but not before The House got its indictment. You did not, however, include that J. Edgar Hoover was a closeted cross-dresser. Not in the Larry Craig category, perhaps, but decidedly no less freaky.
The point of my post was merely to shine the light on what has not been discussed in the ariticle, nor any other post - that John & Cindy had an adulterous relationship before they married, and the duplicity of the Republican party's claim of moral superiority, a typical theme in Ms. Lopez' writings in the Sentinel.
By the way, Newt held an all time low approval rating, 28% during his latter portion of his speakership, subsequently losing that post..He decided against running for the GOP presidential nomination, but who knows if his multiple wives and affairs were cause & effect. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 10, 2008 4:53 PM:
" Dandre ' did you and Jeff get back from vacation? You amaze me with your divorce rhetoric all over again like you are saying anything different this time. You've told this story for at least five times, that I have counted and it never changes. The Wikipedia Deffinition of civorce is: Divorce or dissolution of marriage is the ending of a marriage before the death of either spouse.
This is a legal means by where to end a marriage, it is socially acceptable in this country by everyone but you. Would you rather they remained married and made each other miserable over all these many years like evidently you plan on doing to your wife? Evidently she has entered into a no way out commitment to you and death is her only salvation. I pitty her if that is how you truly feel Dandre' never say never it creeps up on you too fast sometimes for you to even realize it is happening. One day you may drive home to find all the locks changed and an officer informing you, you don't live there any longer, then what do you do? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 10, 2008 4:58 PM:
" Dandre ' you have no idea why John McCain divorced and it is not up to you to spread rumor and enuendo about something you know nothing about. You recite a source and then add your jaded opinion on top of theirs that is not listing a quote that is journalizing a statement with your own distorted twist on it. Do we need to have the Bill and Hillary discussion again, they live such a prime example of marriage and what it is to have a successful relationship together. When there were just accusations on the most recent campaign that Bill got caught messing around again. Do you call that a marriage, they stay together in name but he chases all the women he cares too? You call that respect and honor for one another and is that the example you want your daughters looking to for guidance in their own relationships? It's o.k. that he sleeps around as long as he doesn't leave you and the kids and I have to support you, he can do whatever he wants to do, you just stay right there and be the babies mama. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 10, 2008 5:05 PM:
" Dandre ' as for Obama, Jesse Jackson doesn't even like him. Now when you are black and Jesse has a problem with ya, there is serious problems ahead. I don't care what his apology said his sound bite on a live michrophone stated the truth as Jesse Jackson saw it at the time. Otherwise he wouldn't have said it.
Bill Clinton says you want our votes pay off our campaign debt. So what does Obama do he hosts a dinner in New York to raise money to pay off the Clinton's debt. What happens when Clinton says you want our votes you run my wife as Vice President? Is he gonna kow tow to that one too? So who really gets elected the yes man Obama or the Clintons? Bill Clinton is the one who wrote into law the national law of marriage being between a man and a woman does Melissa and the rest want him having influence.
Before everyone celebrates too much there are two conventions that have to take place and a lot of campaigning to do before this election is over with and John McCain is President. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 10, 2008 5:12 PM:
" Dandre ' perhaps what really needs to happen is for Obama to remain as Senator and the Democratic Party Convention needs to nominate Hillary as the next Presidential contender for the Deomcratic Party and let Obama be Vice President. That card would stand a much better chance than the other way around. But then I've also heard talk of Edwards being Obama's selection as a running mate. Why not Edward's is already an experienced loser. He can teach Obama the ropes.
By the way your Democratic Congress reported the lowest rating of any previous Congress before them with an approval rating of 9%. How long do you think they will hold on to the majority with numbers being reported like that Andre? In the next election you will see a swing back to the Republican side, guaranteed, you asked for your shot you did absolutely nothing with it, you're out of there. Watch and see if I am not right about that this go round. You said give us the Congress we'll make things happen, all that has happened is Pelosi has stepped up to the podium and is giving lip service. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 11, 2008 11:49 AM:
" McCain Divorce Account Contradicts Court Documents
LA Times | July 11, 2008
McCain, the GOP nominee, has made several statements about how he divorced Carol and married Hensley that conflict with the public record.
In his 2002 memoir, "Worth the Fighting For," McCain wrote that he had separated from Carol before he began dating Hensley.
"I spent as much time with Cindy in Washington and Arizona as our jobs would allow," McCain wrote. "I was separated from Carol, but our divorce would not become final until February of 1980."
An examination of court documents tells a different story. McCain did not sue his wife for divorce until Feb. 19, 1980, and he wrote in his court petition that he and his wife had "cohabited" until Jan. 7 of that year -- or for the first nine months of his relationship with Hensley.
Although McCain suggested in his autobiography that months passed between his divorce and remarriage, the divorce was granted April 2, 1980, and he wed Hensley in a private ceremony five weeks later. McCain obtained an Arizona marriage license on March 6, 1980, while still legally married to his first wife. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 11, 2008 12:12 PM:
" John McCain not only has no class, he's a lying hothead and that is according to his friends.
What is it with all you 'neo-cowards', the first wife is always at fault.
As a catholic, Ms lopez's endorsment of divorce and lay-persons performing exorcisms, shirts close to reasons for excommunication. "
Dandre wrote on Jul 11, 2008 12:16 PM:
" yoo. 'running a war'..
you are ALOT confused! "
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