ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 2, 2008 6:22 PM:
" Wow, the above op-ed piece said something powerful:
"But a modern law enforcement agency, with its morass of technical and legal knowledge requirements, multimillion-dollar budgets and thousands of employees, needs a professional manager.
It is time for sheriffs to be selected for their law enforcement knowledge, employee management skills and ability to manage a large budget -- not on their ability to work the county's political system and endear themselves to wealthy donors."
Why didn't we realize this at election time? "
I agree wrote on Jul 2, 2008 11:49 PM:
" Can you nulify the latest Sheriff's election and start over? And no, I have never worked there, just am tired hearing about the negative attitudes due to this man "running" or did I say ruining that department. "
Dump Jordan wrote on Jul 3, 2008 10:38 PM:
" Jordan is doing a terrible job in the office, he does not have a college degree and would not qualify to be the police chief of Hanford. "
Opinions are like... wrote on Jul 7, 2008 2:30 AM:
" With all these complaints and supposed knowledge that Jordan can't nor could he ever do the job, where the heck were all of you.
Seems to me he was the vote getter and winner. Why is that?
He was holding rallies which were highly attended, he has a work history with the City and no one had a clue? Where was the City PD officers to let others know that he wasn't capable... or, just maybe, he is...
You don't like what's going on, it just doesn't take YOUR vote, it takes grass roots organization for a candidate you do approve of so, lets begin hearing about him/her? Where are the capable ones? People here, voicing their complaints, must have someone in mind????
There's so much complaining on these blogs and yet no action. Walk the talk or quit complaining...
Oh yea, you have the right to voice your opinion, but your opinion is just like everyone else's, unless you actually make the effort to do something about it. "
Just curious wrote on Jul 7, 2008 10:20 AM:
" Why can't we have the same type of Sheriff that Arizona has? I bet it would cut down on crime if jail wasn't a joy ride as I have heard alot of inmates put it. Most them aren't scared of jail or prison at this time. They say its 3 squares meals a day, air conditioning, and don't have to worry about working to get fed or have a place to sleep. "
Sheriff Joe wrote on Jul 7, 2008 3:33 PM:
" Statistics do not indicate that Sheriff Joe has stopped his inmates from committing additional crime, they just commit it in other jurisdictions to avoid tent city. If you can't fix the crime rate, move it out of your city.
To Opinions are Like: Amen, Amen, Amen. "
In response wrote on Jul 7, 2008 3:39 PM:
" Oh yeah that sounds like a great idea then we can have someone like our city manager - you know someone who doesn't have the qualifications and couldn't have applied but some how got the job... no thanks!! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:14 PM:
" To Sheriff Joe - isn't that pretty much Jerry Dyer's approach to the Bulldog Gang in Fresno, he is badgering them so much they start moving on, he doesn't care they are moving on to Hanford or his old territory Visalia, he just wants them out of Fresno. Which is sound thinking that is who he represents not Hanford or Visalia. So the man is doing his job where he is suppose to do it. I thought that is what policing is all about? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:15 PM:
" To Dump Jordan - then why don't you run against him in the next election? "
dose wrote on Jul 8, 2008 12:33 PM:
" I don't understand you people, first you start crying because the court overturned a voter approved bill making gay marriage illegal. Then you cry because voters are approving the sheriff. Which is it that you people want. Either you support voters deciding things or you support the government deciding things, how can you be for both. "
To Sheriff Joe wrote on Jul 8, 2008 4:22 PM:
" I never thought of them going elsewhere to commit their crimes just to avoid tent city. A good point well made, thank you :-) "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:35 PM:
" dose - you were properly monikered you provide a dose every chance you get. "
Really wrote on Jul 8, 2008 11:51 PM:
" To Opinions Are Like....You know the rest. Actually, here is the real deal. Officers at HPD realized Jordan was an ineffective leader and knowing that had an effective leader waiting in their wings (D. Smith), they did their best to get of the problem. Not a difficult concept.
As far as making an effort to do something about it... give me a break. The man truly does not care about what others think and has his own agenda, a micro manager and cannot make a decision. I will give you this-probably one of the nicest men I have ever met except he keeps forgetting my name and I see him EVERYDAY. But, you go and support him again and I will actively campaign for whoever runs against him. And yes, I only want to see good things happen to the Sheriff's Office. "
dose wrote on Jul 9, 2008 6:39 PM:
" To Wacthdog Fred:
Just because you don't like me doesn't make your hypocracy any less real. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:08 PM:
" Hey dose, what exactly don't we - the "you people" you refer to, get?
I guess you are not one of us, right? Figures.
What we will probably get next in Kings County is a state Supreme Court appointed gay sheriff.
Will that satisfy you, dose? "
dose wrote on Jul 10, 2008 1:24 AM:
" To Alejandro:
You're right I am definately not one of you, whatever it is that you are.W hat I've learned about you on here is that you hate and fear everything in the world that wasn't created by rich white men, I am very proud not to be considered one of you. "
dose wrote on Jul 10, 2008 1:26 AM:
" To Alejandro:
Tell me why do you support judges appointing sheriifs but not in deciding our laws. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 10, 2008 3:57 PM:
" Hey dose it was a joke . . . lighten up!
Judges should not appoint sheriffs - gay or straight.
But you apparently have a problem with "you people," whoever they are. I guess you are one of the elite and just know what is best for the rest of us, right?
"It is time for sheriffs to be selected for their law enforcement knowledge, employee management skills and ability to manage a large budget . . . "
What part of that do you not agree with dose?
What's your solution? "
dose wrote on Jul 10, 2008 5:09 PM:
" Alejandro, the only proble I have is with the hypocracy of a zenophobic, homophobic, misogynistic, racist such as your self. I have no problem with sherrif's being appointed based on their abilities. Your the one who complained when the court decided to allow gay marriage, decrying the move as coming from liberal activist judges. Saying that the law was decided by voters. Now you are complaining about sherriffs complaining that voters shouldn't be allowed to decide who is sherriff. If you are unable to see the conflict with these two beliefs I cannot help you. "
dose wrote on Jul 10, 2008 6:11 PM:
" Alejandro if being a racist and being afraid of anyone who isn't a good Amerkun is elitist then I guess I am. "
dose wrote on Jul 10, 2008 10:48 PM:
" dang I should proofread more closely, my last comment came out opposite of what I intended. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 11, 2008 6:26 PM:
" Dang, dose:
What is your major malfunction anyway?
A sheriff has to fit a certain job description with appropriate education and experience or else the public could get an unqualified figurehead via a popularity contest called an election. It basically is a hiring process. Were you ever interviewed and competed for a position of high responsibility, dose? If so, then you know what I mean.
Homosexuals demanding that the populace redefine the word and concept of ‘marriage' simply because the term domestic partnership is just ‘not good enough' is a completely different process, dose, than hiring the best possible law enforcement candidate.
There needs to be an improved hiring system to pick the best, brightest, and most qualified county sheriff with periodic performance reviews as to effectiveness and productivity; i.e. one who is not placed in office simply by voting politics or personal popularity.
If a same sex pair-bonding contract is desired, change the establish domestic partnership contract law to be completely equal to the terms of a marriage contract.
Is that so hard to do?
Just do not redefine marriage for the rest of the world, Your Honor. "
dose wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:06 PM:
" Alejandro, much like your buddy Watchdog Fred. You obsfucate and misderect when it would be much easier for you to just answer the question. You say you don't want sheriffs being elected because it becomes a popularity contest. But couldn't the same thing happen when voters decide laws? So I guess your argument really doesn't hold water. And why do you keep making gay marraige about you anyway. What two people do together really doesn't involve you. The only thing gay people are asking of you is to leave them alone. Why don't you try just living your life and let the rest of us live ours. "
dose wrote on Jul 12, 2008 8:25 AM:
" So Alejandro, what you are saying is that the average citizen is so uninformed they aren't able to pick a competent sheriff. And then you want these same ignorant people deciding on the laws we all must follow. That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense. "
PATRIOT wrote on Jul 14, 2008 2:43 PM:
" LARRY PONTING WOULD HAVE BEEN THE BEST WAY TO GO FOR KINGS COUNTY... THATS FOR SURE... "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 14, 2008 5:09 PM:
" I found out what dose's major malfunction is.
He uttered this revealing remark:
"these same ignorant people . . . "
Be advised that this is another condescending elitist comment coming from someone who should know better but can't help it. People that disagree get the full ‘dose' of his politics because he knows what is right and wrong with the world.
Anyone who reads my posts above knows that I never put down voters or made unsubstantiated personal attacks.
It appears that dose - if he even lives in Kings County - believes that our current sheriff fits into the job description quite nicely.
Dose also said:
"The only thing gay people are asking of you is to leave them alone. Why don't you try just living your life and let the rest of us live ours."
I did not know you were homosexual dose so I do apologize for hitting upon what is an obviously sensitive issue. My bad.
On topic yet again:
I fully see that the process of hiring a qualified sheriff needs to be a competitive hiring process and not merely a popularity contest. "
dose wrote on Jul 14, 2008 5:36 PM:
" Alejandro you are the one who said that voters are not intelligent enough to vote for sherriff not me, I merely echoed your opinion in order to make a point. But I am not surprised you didn't understand, since all you ever learned was in the bible. As for elitism goes I would say that somebody who thinks they they understand the constitution more than judges and elected officials who have made law and the constitution their lifes work is elitism. Someone who feels that they should get to decide who can get married or not is elitism. "
Ohh no wrote on Jul 14, 2008 6:40 PM:
" Ponting for Sheriff.... Ever wonder why Ponting came in last out of three candidates, maybe because he was the least qualifies out of the three...
My solution... Have a unbiased panel screen over the applicatants of the County, City and other agencies and find the best three based off of qualifatations, then bring those persons to an ellection for the voters to select. What could be more fair? "
dose wrote on Jul 14, 2008 8:09 PM:
" To Ohh no:
That sounds like the best idea I have heard so far. "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 14, 2008 8:56 PM:
" Dose also said:
" Alejandro you are the one who said that voters are not intelligent enough to vote for sherriff [sic] not me,"
Dose dose dose: YOU said that not me! Wipe the froth off and read my posts for a change.
Not telling the truth is another major malfunction, dose.
I guess I was right about your other attributes as you didn't disagree; it's OK if you remain shy.
And "Ohh no" does have an excellent suggestion about screening applicants and prequalifying them for this high position.
Now why didn't you think of that? "
dose wrote on Jul 14, 2008 11:55 PM:
" Alejandro what you said was:
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 2, 2008 6:22 PM
It is time for sheriffs to be selected for their law enforcement knowledge, employee management skills and ability to manage a large budget -- not on their ability to work the county's political system and endear themselves to wealthy donors."
which is really just another way of saying that voters are too ignroant to elect a sherriff. As for whether or not I am a homosexual, I didn't respond to that because I don't care if you think I'm gay. Unlike you I don't consider that to be an insult. And if you think that Ohh no has such a good idea why did you say what you said about the voters of Hanford. It is probably because you have no ideas of your own and are easily manipulated. "
The Oracle Says... wrote on Jul 15, 2008 7:21 AM:
" Ponting lost becasue Marvin threw all of his political backing behind McClain as he had annointed him Sheriff, and Jordan pulled all of the religious vote. Ponting was left with the remaining. Jordan was not wanted by the city and PD, hence they would not make him Chief...They of course knew his lack of attributes..They worked with him...Another poster noted that they supported him for Sheriff so that they could rid themselves of him, allowing competent personnel to advance, ie D.Smith, who could be Sheriff if he wanted. DSA tried to recruit him for exactly that. Hopefully he will rethink the position. No, Sheriff positions should remain elected. Even if appointed, politics are an everyday battle...Just ask any Chief of police. Even more than when elected....Caveat of politics as always is "Choose wisely" Current Sheriff is a reminder of that saying everyday. Nice man, terrible Sheriff/administrator "
ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 15, 2008 8:56 PM:
" Dose,
After listening to your rants, common sense tells me that you have no idea what I said or didn't say, who I quoted, and what this op-ed piece actually contained.
All you do is call people names and divert the truth. Sad.
You must not live in the area or else you would know that the Sheriff is not elected by ‘Hanford voters' - it is county-wide: Kings County registered voters.
The insults and name-calling coupled with a hefty ‘dose' of ignorance really amazes me.
So, you can win if it will calm you down; I would feel badly if you stroked out.
For the record - and once again - I believe that this excerpt bears serious attention:
From "Another View: Let's appoint sheriffs" By Steve Remige
"...sheriffs should be selected after a professional search. Incumbents should be held accountable to a review board and to elected officials, and they should be limited to a fixed number of years in office."
End of my comments on this topic.
And please someone tell ‘dose' he won.
Buy him a beer.
Help him relax. "
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