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America first, please

Editor: I am the wife and mother of Navy men and very proud to be so. On the 4th of July, I took my two youngest sons down to Lemoore City Park for the festivities that take place there every year.

There were many booths at the park selling food and souvenirs and a few that had games for the children. When I went to browse in one booth, I only saw souvenirs with Mexican flags. Since July 4 is celebrating America's Independence, I was shocked. While it is great to have national pride, we were not celebrating Mexican independence at this festival. I believe we have a day for that in May.

I normally would not have a problem with Mexican merchandise. I feel Hispanics have the right to sell items with their flag on it, but at least offer some items with the American flag as well, as it is an American holiday.

I am "proud to be an American," and all that it implies. I believe that anyone has the right to become a citizen of our country. The least you can do is respect the country you have decided to live in and not infringe upon our customs just to make a buck.

Paula Coe

Lemoore

(July 24, 2008)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

BJMallory wrote on Jul 24, 2008 12:49 PM:

" Oh Lord have mercy. You're kidding, right? Because real Americans never "infringe upon customs to make a buck". Some people just aren't happy with anything unless they can find something to complain about. "

Wroking Man wrote on Jul 24, 2008 3:17 PM:

" You are absolutely right, Proud to be an American...i guess pride is one thing only we Americans are allowed to have. Mexicans and others should not have a flag. I did not have to do anything to be an American it just happened I was born here...Been an American to me it is to respect others and help one person at a time to recover our beautiful country where our fathers wrote the constitution and believed everybody had the same rights and obligations, then again I might be just a dreamer that don't mind sharing our culture and believes with everyone. I might just believe in the word of god and men kind. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 24, 2008 3:35 PM:

" To: BJMallory wrote on Jul 24, 2008 2:49 PM:

Also to Paula Coe:
BJ relax go set by the mall and have a cigarette.

Mrs. Paula Coe,
I agree with you 100% if we cannot set aside all the other heritages in this country and give thanks for our own freedom then why have a 4th of July. Actually Mexican Independance Day is not until September 16th but not many people are aware of that, because traditionally Mexicans here choose to celebrate Cinco De Mayo as their indiependence day. Misinformed, I guess.
But I agree it should be American Flags, Apple Pie and families enjoying the freedom your husband offers us all. Do me a favor tell your husband the dawg said: Thank You for Your Service, please.
Don't blame you a bit it is tough to teadh your children about America with a Mexican Flag in your hand. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 24, 2008 4:28 PM:

" Hey BJ,

In other posts you implied that we should all be Americans, right?

That sounded patriotic to me. Patriotic to our country, the United States of America.

When did you change your mind?

Paula Coe is also a patriot, who prefers to celebrate our country, not promote the flag of another.

And addressing those who BJ says:
"Some people just aren't happy with anything unless they can find something to complain about"
- if the colonists didn't complain at all we would still be an English colony.

As I have said many times, with tongue planted firmly in cheek:
"Ain't diversity grand?" "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:03 AM:

" Ah, man Fred that was mean...and you almost spelled everything correctly! All I'm saying is Ms. Cole is nitpicking over something so trite that for it to spoil her Fourth of July celebration so much that she had to write a letter to the editor was absurd. It's not as if there were Mexican protesters there waving their flags; there was just some vendor selling tchotchkes that happened to have Mexican flags on them. Whoop-de-do! As for the whopper of a closing line in her letter, I remember a time when wearing the flag was considered disrespectful, yet you can see whole shirts, shorts, even underwear made in that sacred image. Believe me, I've seen many "real" Americans wearing them. God, I hope there were no Chinese food vendors or pizza vendors out there! Only hot dogs should be served on a sacred American holiday! Oh wait...aren't hot dogs orignially from somewhere else...? "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:11 AM:

" Alejandro, you wrote:
Paula Coe is also a patriot, who prefers to celebrate our country, not promote the flag of another.

That's cool. Let her celebrate it then and by not purchasing a knick-knack draped in the flag of another country she didn't promote it. I think the colonists were complaining about things like taxation without representation rather than someone selling crafts with the British flag on them. See the difference?

All I know is, at the next Cinco de Mayo celebration (which btw, Fred, I KNOW the difference) I'd better not see any American flags or else it's ON. (tongue also planted firmly in cheek) "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:28 AM:

" Oh and I forgot...fireworks! Fireworks are a Chinese invention...better scrap those for Fourth of July, too! "

Just another clear sign that its not acceptable to be American and celebrate what is left of the tattered wrote on Jul 25, 2008 5:27 AM:

" fabric that seems like a "once upon" American "apple pie" tradition.

BJ Mallory...your French surname? "Anglo-Saxon" husband possibly,does not conceal your true identity.Your quick defense to convolute your position rings clear that you are primarily of Mexican heritage and are insulted by the position and observation made by Cole.

I agree with Cole's assesment, and as a Hispanic woman myself...I rather enjoy "the traditional" red, white and blue of this U.S. American firstly, premier historical event without the nuances of another nationality imposing pusedo-naive agendas that pollute and offend with material nativism purposely to the event!

We celebrated the Fourth of July, it overceeds Mexicanism, a new reich of rudeness that devalues and denationlizes the essence elements of our foremost customs of the United States.

You see taxiation without representation was the original battle cry that thwarted the U.S. colonist into creation "This nation"...something American goverment officials seem to have forgotten &U.S. citizens want to have better control of...how, where and who their U.S. tax is distributed upon and why we excercise devotion to "this nation" which is being devoured by outside of the country influences. "

Scott D wrote on Jul 25, 2008 6:22 AM:

" Be proud and lucky to be an American Citizen. This country is the greatist country in the world and millions have died to defend your very freedom that you enjoy everyday! For those of you who fly another flag in our country,you are being disrespecful. Please take it down. If you can't take it down, just pack your bags and go home. You have over stayed your welcome. This is America and our national language is english and we display our flag with pride. "

Mrs.D wrote on Jul 25, 2008 9:37 AM:

" California was originally part of Mexico back in the day. Ms.Coe is forgetting that the United States of America, and not the Confederate States of the KKK.

Discuss. "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 25, 2008 11:43 AM:

" To "Just Another Clear Sign", if you have read my posts elsewhere, you would know my heritage. I don't hide it. Mallory is my married name and speaking of names, at least I'll put mine up when I write something. You must have worn out your knuckles rifling furiously through your Thesaurus. Congratulations, we all think you're really smart!

It's ridiculous how far this has gotten blown out of proportion. I don't care who was selling what flag at a Fourth of July celebration - Paula Coe obviously does. I think it's absurd to care that much about it; she believes otherwise. Yet here we are again trying to show who knows more history or who is more patriotic than anyone else. And then there's you, trying to make it look as if I'm hiding behind a French surname - why? Because it's cool to bash the French nowadays?

I stand by my original position. Paula Coe let her own celebration be ruined by something inconsequential. Instead of focusing on the meaning of the day, she ruminated on a cheesy trinket. Sad. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 25, 2008 12:30 PM:

" BJMallory: As you know, anyone who is brave enough to sign their real name to his/her comment has my respect! "

Big Picture wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:08 PM:

" I feel this argument is almost insignificant. The real issue for me is where are the majority of American flags manufactured? China (communist + outsourced +human rights + carbon foot print = ridiculous. "

Angie wrote on Jul 25, 2008 1:44 PM:

" Right on BJMallory! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:04 PM:

" Need I have to be the first to say to Mrs. D REMEMBER THE ALAMO! A few hundred more men and that might have played out differently but as usual they don't fight unless they outnumber their advesary a hundred to one. "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:09 PM:

" Thank you Scott. Anyone who is savvy enough to Google "BJMallory" will find pictures of me so to say that I am hiding behind anything when all my posts contain my name (and my email address one time when I was really tired and typed my email address in the Name field by mistake) is just a weak attempt by a small-minded fool that tried to push my "brown" button by playing the "you married a white guy" card. Weak! Heard it! Thanks for playing. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:19 PM:

" To: BJMallory wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:03 AM:
Well you folks all have it your way, all I know is I don't have to fly a Dutch or German flag in front of my house to appreciate my ancestory. I fly an American Flag twenty four seven and have installed the proper lighting that allows me to do that legally. I do that to honor all the fallen troops and those who still serve for their job isn't from sunup to sundown it is around the clock all year long. Yes, I have worn t-shirts with american flags on them one I recall had a saying directly underneath it these colors don't run and that is how I feel about our country, I'd die today defending her and be glad to have done it. So when I see Mexican Flags I don't care if they are in the back of a car window on a cheese plant or anywhere else, it is a direct insult to the people in this country who fought and died for our flag and the freedoms they enjoy today because of it. "

To BJ wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:53 PM:

" Speaking of France, try displaying an American flag in the streets of Paris and see what happens!

Mrs. D
California was part of Mexico, was being the key term here...

I'm personnaly sick and tired of Spanish this and Spanish that. Can't we at least mix it up with a little Portuguese, a little Italian and maybe a little Norwegian? Perhaps we just ignore these folks because there isn't 13,000,000 of them! "

Navy Spouse wrote on Jul 25, 2008 2:55 PM:

" Being a Navy spouse, and veteran I am not offended if some vendor sells mexican flags, its their right to do that just like its my right not to buy it. Some navy spouses have too much time on their hands. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:27 PM:

" Mrs. D, don't know how to tell you this but the American Native Indian was on this land long before the Mexicans and Americans were, so if anyone has a claim to it, it is them. So much for your point of fact. You have to go a little farther back to justify your comment. "

BJMallory wrote on Jul 25, 2008 3:59 PM:

" Fred, I don't understand why you think seeing another country's flag displayed here is an insult. Unless it's displayed improperly, flown ABOVE the American flag and that would insult me, too. I don't have a problem with "flag wear", I posted that point because I am old enough to remember the late 60s-early 70s when "flag wear" was considered inappropriate and disrespectful, especially by the uber-patriotic. Yet here we are now, 30-some years later and it's not only ok, it's considered patriotic. I think it's great that you fly your flag properly, I honestly do. If I were walking by your house when you raised or lowered it, I'd stop to salute while you did so because that's how I was raised. Re-read the original letter by Mrs. Coe. She said the vendor should "not infringe upon our customs". According to m-w.com, "infringe" means to encroach which means "to enter by gradual steps or by stealth into the possessions or rights of another". I don't see how selling a flag of another country does this, unless one lets it. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 25, 2008 4:51 PM:

" What first started this all, even drawing in our Swiss correspondent to the fray is this very first post:

BJMallory wrote on Jul 24, 2008 2:49 PM:
"Oh Lord have mercy. You're kidding, right? Because real Americans never "infringe upon customs to make a buck". Some people just aren't happy with anything unless they can find something to complain about."

Is this, or is this not, a mean-spirited and highly cynical attack on the letter and beliefs stated therein of Paula Coe, who just so happens to have her free speech protected under the laws of the United States?

BJ uses that term "Some people" in a derogatory way yet no one dare call her on it? And why can't Ms. Coe or anyone for that matter voice a complaint? Guess BJ is on a higher level that the rest of us.

Is Ms. Coe NOT entitled to her opinions without mockery, ridicule, or reprisal?

Freedom of thought and individual expression, folks; get used to it. Diversity applies to one's personal thoughts too. Or is that not politically correct anymore?

"Oh Lord have mercy" crys BJ.

Indeed! "

The Fourth celebrated to acknowledge and wrote on Jul 25, 2008 5:41 PM:

" show patriotism to "THIS NATION" not another... and yes the trickets and banners of other nations have no business being presented for display on sale. As for huddled masses coming this way via Rio Grande human highways, subterraining there only patriotism comprises of 40% povertry rate nationals of Mexico. I really don't feel like celebrating there effective access to "money for nothing" who seem to this government's taxes "of the people" is part of their disposable income to use as they please. "

What is sooo absurb BJ Mallory is that wrote on Jul 26, 2008 9:41 AM:

" the repugent underlying tendency for Mexican cultural countrymen to wallow in that California was ONCE "a crown territory of SPAIN" called Mexico (why do sooo many hate to admit that and forget its historical value in the equation). Neither here nor there.

Like Ms. Coe and many bloggers with loyalty to the U.S. of America, I believe we celebrate the Fourth for its the summit and culmination premise in protective glory to the creation of "THIS COUNTRY."We can still today commit to the preservation of its traditions!

The vexed Mexicanism movement trys to hang on for dear life to their country origins alligiences, neglecting that has it let so many of its people down in economic terms with its inability to support its massive poor populations.Crooked Mexican goverment still cleverly operates its two class system to the detriment of its countrymen but downplays it is the reason they RUN here.

Mexicanism has no natural love to this U.S. patria and is deeply impregnated with their heritage as precious...OVER IT!

Clearly, addressing the neighbors to south and border jumpers this is still U.S. territory as far as maps and goverment is concerned. "

Paula wrote on Jul 26, 2008 12:22 PM:

" I have read all your responses.
My grandfather fought and almost died in WWII, my father fought in Vietnam and my husband also serves his country and my son as well. And I believe that to be an American is to be able to express an opinion and that's exactly what I was doing. So happy you could express your own opinion as well, in other countries you could or would be imprisioned or shot.
But in defense of myself:
1, Navy spouse I do not have too much time on my hands, I work, take care of my family and and my home. As you should know that is never easy. 2, I did my research before sending in my letter, yes I know Mexico's independence day is in Sept., here in America we celebrate Cinco De Mayo.
3, I did NOT say they shouldn"t sell their flag, just to include the American flag to their wares, what harm would it do, and it would up their sales as well.
4, Most of all I did not let it ruin my day, we still had a good time, just dampened it for a few minutes. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 26, 2008 4:35 PM:

" Well, I took BJ's advice to google her.

I discovered a MySpace page with an interesting headshot photo of BJ and perhaps too much personal information detail.

Her photo looks nothing like her name would lead you to believe, though, but in all it reveals quite a bit about her politics and persona.

And I am always learning things. For instance, BJ's hero is one "Manuel Jesus Cordova Soberanes" and a photo of the man is posted too.

I had to google him and found a really caring human being; an illegal alien who holds the view that a human's life is above his own needs.

Personally, I would have chosen an American hero as this is my country, but BJ has a right to her opinions and her heros, even if they are illegal aliens who happen to be from Mexico.

Thanks for sharing, BJ. "

Betty Betty Betty wrote on Jul 26, 2008 5:17 PM:

" To quote you, "I stand by my original position. Paula Coe let her own celebration be ruined by something inconsequential. Instead of focusing on the meaning of the day, she ruminated on a cheesy trinket. Sad."

Paula never said her day was ruined and obviously she did NOT think it inconsequential. Seems to me she said she was, "shocked" that only Mexican flags were being sold and not American. She is just stating what she saw and how she felt. I did not gather from her letter that it ruined her day or that she ruminated on it any longer than any of us have ruminated on her feelings.

I too, wonder what those who allowed vendors to hock their wares were thinking? Someone should take note that next year maybe the items being sold should reflect the celebration itself and what it is honoring. Just my opinion... "

Scott you and BJMallory just wrote on Jul 27, 2008 12:02 AM:

" like the press....and as for respect because you post a name(?) so what!...the only thing I respect is for any and all bloggers the right to air their opinions. Go sell your psuedo imaginary by-line monikers somewhere else...doesn't rate to many of the readers anyway. "

Con Carne wrote on Jul 27, 2008 7:49 AM:

" Here's an idea, lets all go to Mexico on Cinco De Mayo and sell American flags. That will show them! "

to BJMallory wrote on Jul 27, 2008 9:43 AM:

" You seem to play that game where you toss out absurdities to try to make the other person seems ridicules just to get people to see your side of things. Why can't you just make your point without playing games? There is a big difference between a hot dog and a flag on a day for celebrating our country. You don't see hot dogs at the military cemeteries or hot dogs attached to houses and cars after 911? Or for that matter hot dogs on the uniforms of our government personal. You know it, I know it, we all know it. By the way, fireworks are the representation of the "bombs bursting in air" not a representation of another country like a mexican flag is. Apples and oranges. "

to Mrs.D wrote on Jul 27, 2008 9:47 AM:

" And you seem to be forgetting it belonged to the Indians before the SPANISH (not mexican, there was no mexico at the time) conquistadors took it from them.

Your point was what within that post? "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jul 27, 2008 3:56 PM:

" Dear "Scott you and BJMallory",

Thanks so much for the advice. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 27, 2008 8:51 PM:

" To: BJ Mallory - I feel that the american flag is in and to itself symbolic of the sacrifices each and every service member has made to and for this country. It is the symbol our military chooses to place on their flag poles throughout our land and on our ships, foreign bases and territories and on our dead servicemembers caskets. So for you not to understand how flying a Mexican Flag is detrimental, you just don't get it. In my generation and several generations prior the only time a foreign flag was flown was when a foreign country conquered our terra firma. If you are too young and don't consider that an insult then I guess you didn't receive the upbringing you claim you received. If you think this is unjust ask a Japanese citizen their feelings when the American flag was placed on Iwo how they felt about it? For those reasons I feel any foreign flag is unacceptable and yes Mexico is a foreign country in case you didn't know that already. I guarantee you we couldn't produce products in Mexico and fly our flag there. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 27, 2008 8:57 PM:

" To: BJ Mallory - in case you hadn't heard there is a whole new group of laws coming available to the American public for the first time. It is called anti-discrimination, it is when people who are yelling they have been dsicriminated against are losing cases because they have taken their rights to an extreme and are intruding on other people's rights. The illegal mexican's crossing the border once again illegally are not entitled to our tax money as their way of subsistance in this or any other American community.
We as tax payers will begin to utitlize this new tool to bring law suits to recoup our tax dollars so that they be spent on law abiding Amerericans for Americans with a legal right to be here. Our schools one day will advance again because they won't be over burden with an influx of non english speaking students who take valuable time away from legal students who are being kept from their very valuable education. The California State Board of Education for the first time is realizing this is a problem in education. Once it"s acknowledged a problem it will be fixed. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 27, 2008 9:03 PM:

" To: BJ Mallory - German, Italian, Polish, Spanish, have come here and all made it through the educational system by being forced to learn english or be left behind. Why should the illegal, who refuses to acknowledge our primary laws regarding immigration be allowed to suck our tax system dry because they are too lazy to learn our language. They violate our immigration laws, they violate the need to learn our language, when do they become a contributor instead of a bottom feeder to society? Does anyone have any idea how much it costs to print all our ballots and other critical information in spanish? We could educate a lot of students with the unfair and misguided cost in this country. We could feed a lot of homeless people with the welfare money spent on illegal families in this country every year.
One writer hit on it, the parents are illegal and can't get welfare but the minute they have a child born in America the entire family receives food stamps, medi-cal and all the other benefits. Oh and I checked delivery is considered an emergency and medi-cal pays for it. "

American mom wrote on Jul 28, 2008 8:39 AM:

" here is my opinion without any games. My grandafather came over to the United States from Denmark, he PROUDLY hung the AMERICAN flag and honored what he came here seeking AMERICAN way of life. My father and grandfather both AMERICANS fought bravely for this country. I was raised knowing respect for the freedom I have, wearing the flag was disrespectful and I still believe that. I will never and have never bought ANY item with the american flag on it EXCEPT the American flag itself. SO what I am saying is that those of us who are living in America because of the freedom it offers should display that respect for the country. I am sure in Mexico or anyother country selling American flags on a national holiday would not happen because it is not right. "

For those who care wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:23 PM:

" Just curious if the same people who say they don't have a problem with illegal immigration have a issues with a vendor selling only Mexican flags for the fourth of July?

I mean this is bound to happen when we start accepting illegals here in this country. You have issues with the Mexican flag being sold on the 4th of July?? Well I have issues when my children's schools don't have enough money to fund educational things like books, teachers and such because they are strapped having to purchase books in spanish, linguist for class. I also have issues when I can't qualify for many jobs having a degree only because I can't speak Spanish. What can you do, can't beat join em so I am learning Spanish... "

LOL... wrote on Jul 28, 2008 1:34 PM:

" I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS.... "PAULA COE" IS UPSET BECAUSE SOMEONE HAPPEN TO BE SELLING " souvenirs with Mexican flags." I WONDER WHAT'S NEXT???

PAULA WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE FOR US??? I HOPE ITS SOMETHING VERY INTERESTING... "

JR wrote on Jul 28, 2008 4:40 PM:

" to Paula,

Just curious, did you talk to the vendors about selling U.S. Flags along with the Mexican Flag souvenirs? "

dose wrote on Jul 28, 2008 9:27 PM:

" To For Those Who Care:

I for one don't have a problem with any Mexican or any one of any nationality coming here legally or unlegally and selling flags from their country. The more the merrier. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 29, 2008 12:00 PM:

" People, I'm confused about all this, it's as if they colored the Welfare Checks red, white and green you'd have no problem with that either. Have we fallen that far out of disrepair? I remember growing up, Welfare was just something that people would shy away from. Many household's grew up on water paste biscuits and if you were lucky a piece of sausage or bacon and some milk to wash it down with in the morning. But that's o.k. because although things might be rough, you weren't on Welfare. Now Welfare is worn as a badge of honor. The note of success is when you have three and four generations all living on Welfare. Where did it all change around, where did people swallow their pride to wallow in the care of the system? The most confounded part of it, is most don't even speak the language but they can say; Welfare, WIC, all the key words that get them benefits, just fine. I guess what Charles Dickens said was true, "their is honor among thieves". So celebrate until the tap is shut off and the comodities stop. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 29, 2008 12:10 PM:

" I guess once we have enough investigators to truly track Welfare and find all the baby daddies out here living with their baby mommas and getting aid too, we won't know what true independence means in this country. You and I see it, but Welfare has a blind eye to the daddy setting in the car while the baby's momma picks up her WIC Vouchers. Perhaps they should run the plates of those fancy cars and find out who they are registered to and investigate the relationship to the momma and the baby and start making "daddy hideout" pay his share of raising his own child? Can you imagine explaining that to a baby, oh I couldn't give you my name and make you legitimate the people of King's County wouldn't have paid to raise you. Let's see I guess when it begins with illegal immigration the illegal part never ends for those families. "daddy hideout" don't want his money used to raise his child that isn't how he rolls He's got his lowrider to support and an image to uphold with all his homeboys. Even if it means Welfare Fraud! "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:04 PM:

" The actual title the ‘Editor' attributed to this letter is

"Opinion
America first, please"

So who here is against that concept?

Lets see a show of hands . . . and your rationale. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 29, 2008 3:40 PM:

" To dose' of course you don't all we have to do is consider the source and nuff said;

dose wrote on Jul 28, 2008 11:27 PM:

" To For Those Who Care:

I for one don't have a problem with any Mexican or any one of any nationality coming here legally or unlegally and selling flags from their country. The more the merrier. " "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 29, 2008 4:10 PM:

" No wonder there is confusion on this subject when you have a candidate campaigning abroad and he refuses to hang the American Flag anywhere in sight? This guy is too much, he thinks he is bigger than the United State of America and it's most prominant symbol. In Thomas Jefferson's time this would have been called treason.

Then there was the simple stage, with the podium surrounded by three potted plants. Missing was the American flag -- nowhere to be seen. Perhaps Obama’s staff might consider the U.S. flag offensive.

Consider the U.S. flag offensive, my word the country has gone to the dogs. "

Vietnam Veteran wrote on Jul 29, 2008 10:20 PM:

" I was drafted and did my time in Nam. One of my closest friends died there. I carried his broken body back and put him in the ground. Point to all this, I could give a rats behind who is selling what on the 4th of July. I put out my American flag out every morning for those that have died and those that will die, but I also put it out for the diversity that made this nation. I was looking for an American pin to put on my hat for my son who is now also serving, guess what, there were a ton of them from China. I finally found one at the Marine Boot Camp in San Diego and it was made in Taiwan. Ha, imagine that. And you know that at one time (maybe still) the uniforms for the Border Patrol were made in Mexico. I can bet you that Mexican businessmen laugh at us all the way to the Mexican bank, like the Saudis laugh at all the American gas we keep buying from them. That is what you should be sad about Paula!!! "

Dandre wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:22 AM:

" VietnamVeteran....spot on! "

Big Picture wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Vietnam Vet, you and I are on the same page. The problem is we never look at the real problems that are around us, it's always the emotional side that distracts us. Just look at this post, it went from racism, to a false Mexican take over, to a presidential nominee in a foreign country for not having an American flag flying over his head. America is quickly being outsourced and we sit here arguing about nonsense. Pride in America is not defined by what type foods you eat (hotdogs, burritos) on July 4th. We have completely missed the point of our struggle for independence if we are singling out groups of people because of the flag they fly. "

to Vietnam Vet....the th is the celebration of wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:38 AM:

" Independence from another nation...not its dependence!

The "Mexican flag trinket" has become a malignant and purposeful pro-nativism cultural icon. The use of it in the commerce at this event only reinforced that the vendor was fundamentally disconnected with the reason for the event.

The vendor was blatantly ignorant and irresponsibly arrogant with his wears for sale that overtly mocked the nationalism of "THIS COUNTRY." The Mexican flag for sale at a Fourth of July event IS an offensive political gesture!

Paula Coe, the casual citizen, has the right to question and excercise her loyalties for "THIS NATION" in addressing what is the ethical reasoning for the presence of the Mexican flag "for sale" at the celebration of the U.S.'s 232nd 4th of July anniversary. "

Omega wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:47 AM:

" The funny thing here is that it's illegal in Mexico to put images of their flag on these types of things, because it's disrespectful, lol "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:47 AM:

" To Vietnam Veteran, I like you participated in the Vietnam War. I also lost and continue to lose good friends from that war, because many of us were poisoned and are lingering long after our brothers in arms. But will someday be dead to, from the effects of that war. But, all that said I'd do it again in a heart beat.
Some of what you say is true, but I think the root of the problem isn't one day and one instance, it is time after time of having Mexico shoved down our throats. You don't speak spanish oh we can't hire you. This is what my brother was told upon returning from Germany also a draftee. Why he thought, he spoke fluent German, English and French. He was a linguist. I returned two years later and tried to apply for a job at Safeway Creamery the Plant Manager told me do to quotas he had to hire two more black/hispanics and three women before he could hire another white man. But I was good enough to go to Vietnam, even though I was white. More than one instance. "

Mrs.D wrote on Jul 30, 2008 12:51 PM:

" I think most of the negative posters are the most unhappiest. People are forgetting that this country was founded on dissent when a boat load of people left England. From there it spread to different European countries who wanted to live in the US. People facing hard times in Mexico, Central America, and South America came here for some comfort. Ireland, Norway, Finland, Italy followed suit. The Melty Pot was getting spicier and lovingly. Diversity is what America is all about. I love going to the Mariachi festival but I wish there was more to St. Patricks Day. Everyone loves a feast day in Little Italy in New York.

And maybe Navy spouses have too much time on their hands. Maybe they should do more than whine about the way they see America. And get a life outside the Base. "

Angie wrote on Jul 30, 2008 2:26 PM:

" To Vietnam Veteran-
Well said. "

Angie wrote on Jul 30, 2008 2:31 PM:

" To Watchdog Fred-
I was going to post a lenthy response to your comments about welfare, lowriders and all the other things you said(that you know NOTHING about) but I decided it would be a wast of time. You are bitter and you choose to look at the bad in people instead of the good. It's really sad and pathetic "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 30, 2008 5:54 PM:

" To: Angie wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:31 PM:
I beg to differ with you, I have 35 years of working to prove I know about Welfare, lowriders and everything else I mentioned. Because during that time I supported those people and continue to do so today through various taxes. So don't tell me I don't know what I talk about.
You doubt me go park your car someday in front of WIC, Welfare and the Health Department and watch the fancy lowriders pull up all tricked out and the men set in the cars while the women go in for their various appointments for freebies. Then come back and tell me I don't know what I talk about. If they can afford those automobiles including Chrysler 300's and the such they should be able to afford raising the child they procreated. But through generations of working on the side and being non-resident daddies when the case worker arrives, they continue to rip off every taxpayer in the community. Including you Angie, that is if you pay any taxes. So if I'm bitter it is hard not to be when thieves exist. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 30, 2008 6:01 PM:

" To: Angie wrote on Jul 30, 2008 4:31 PM:
You mean that there is good in people who ride the system and steal our tax dollars away from deserving people who might really need it? I have a hard time seeing good in people like that Ms. Angie. People who continue to procreate and allow working citizens to provide them the benefits necessary to raise their illigitement babies, it's hard for me to find good in those people as well.
People have been on Welfare in this community so long they think of their EBT Card's as an ATM card and can't wait for the government to reload it for them each month.
Now if these people had worked, supported a family and paid taxes for 35 or 40 years then needed assistance that would be a different story. But you can tell by their age the only thing they have supported is illicit sex to make babies, so they don't have to work. That is how the program works and the sad part is the Social Worker's buy into it for job security. So they continue to enable it.. "

It was not JUST religious freedom.... wrote on Jul 30, 2008 7:18 PM:

" Lack of American history showing.Majority of the passsengers were in it for the adventure/business opportunities in joining an already established colony via the chartered wine cargo vessel to Virginia.

The image that highlighted only those who were in it for religous reasons is a third right.The Dutch Calvinist/Separitist did leave England behind for its repressive views so they could follow and practice their own reformation ideologies offshooted from the Catholic faith.Imagine that...that's how J.Smith was able to become a false prophet in the New World 190 years later.

The "Mayflower Compact" was established to ensure unity, and clarity of boundries between the "groups" of colonist/passengers on board, to avoid disputes.(Really it was a document of goodwill, new laws before landing on soil.NOT A FREE FOR ALL,economic's/class advantages allowing rights of men to govern under similar laws already established in England) and so the wealthy stillcontrolled the new world with fair/standards of the era.

Commodities, food, water distributed by class distinctions while enroute to capitalism/the fishing colony.

Dessension was not reason for leaving England.Where did you get who followed who?Did you get your insight straight from the book of Mormon Mrs. D? My sympathies. "

To Vietname Vet wrote on Jul 30, 2008 8:57 PM:

" I think out of all the rantings on here yours absoloutely makes sense, who would think American Flags made in china, I bet Paula Coe shops daily at Walmart, Target and other places that choose to only sell items made overseas but I guess since your a Navy spouse then it evens out. I seriously doubt the sentinel will even post my comment, but in case they do, why so many comments on here about welfare, lowriders, and Mexicanism??? I am Mexican and I am not sure what Mexicanism is. But wasn't this person complaining about a vendor....I guess this one vendor represents all Mexicans. Look I am not on welfare, I served in the Navy and I go to school. I love lowriders, oldies and barbecuing on Sunday afternoons, you may not like it or you may think poorly of me but hey being Mexican I am used to people judging me before knowing me. "

catty wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:21 PM:

" I don't care if you sell Mexican flags. I don't have to buy one. I do care when I see people who were born in the U.S., of Mexican descent, not stand for the National Anthem. I see it often around here. That bothers me. As imperfect as this country is, we are lucky to have been born here. Having lived in several other countries, I know of what I speak. "

JR wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:43 PM:

" so far, haven't received an answer to my question. If Paula did NOT talk to the vendors, then by sending in this letter she is just whining. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:21 AM:

" Maybe you folks don't realize when you accept Welfare you are stealing from your neighbors just like you walked into their houses and took their belongings. Because you stay on Welfare long enough taxes go up and your working neighbors can't afford to replace the broken tv or air conditioner, they just have to make do without it. Pretty soon they can't afford a car or anything because they are busy paying for you and your families lifestyle. Think About It! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:24 AM:

" We should change the name of Welfare to Urgent Care and that be the only time we use it. When an Urgent Care life threatening/changing event occurs.
If these teenagers have to get up off their duffs and start supporting these babies they are having they will soon stop having more of them. Put them to the work, make them come in at night and be janitors in the County Offices. Find some sort of work they can peform and commit them to it 40 hours a week just like the rest of us. Let them see what it is like to earn a wage and pay taxes out of it. Forget that tax free gift from Welfare, put their butts to work. "

Dandre wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:58 AM:

" And don't forget fanny mae and frddie mac and the s&l 's and bear stearns, enron, etc etc Corporate welfare is destroying the middle class!
According to Jim Kramer the total 'socialist' bail-out of fanny and freddie is going to be about 5 TRILLION DOLLARS but you keep chasing those 'welfare queens', fred....
Angie, you are right on! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:49 AM:

" Dandre wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:58 AM: I don't agree with the bailout of large corporations either. I also feel that those who were ignorant enough to sign on the dotted line knowing full well they couldn't afford the payments in the first place should lose their homes. They knew upfront they were maxed out and the minute the interest rate changed they couldn't afford to live in those homes. Shame on them, Shame on Freddie Mac and Fanny Mae that isn't what they were put in place to do in the first place. I just wonder how many low income families on Welfare were caught up in this trap, and we provided the funds for them to commit and now we must pay the price to bail them out? Do you have any idea dandre'? But leave it up to you to think Welfare isn't a steady drain on society. Wether it be corporate or personal. "

Angie wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:50 AM:

" To Watchdog Fred-
Look, you are so dead set with hate against people on welfare that I won't even bother telling you the details of what I've experienced as an Eligibility Worker in another county. I granted Foodstamps and Medi-Cal to people that truly needed it and denied benefits to people who lied and weren't eligible for benefits. The point is not ALL of them are low down dirty thieves like you say they are. You are totally wrong in your thinking. Also, I was on welfare for 3 years as I worked part time and went to college fultime after the father of my baby died. Am I a thief Watchdog Fred? Your taxes helped me survive and I thank you and all you other tax paying people out there. Even those who judged me, looked down on me "

Angie wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:18 PM:

" To Watchdog Fred-
And by the way, I AM a taxpayer and have been since I was 17 and all through my 3 years of recieving assistance.
What I want to know is what kind of job do you have that you have so much time to sit in the welfare parking lot watching people?
You sure do live up to your name WATCHdog Fred. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:52 PM:

" To: Angie wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:18 PM:

You are gonna set there and tell me that like Kings County you never had a single case of Welfare Fraud convicted in the county you worked in or for during your how ever long history. If you listen to my blogs Angie, you will know I am retired and have a lot of time on my hands to do with as I please and after working 35 years twice as long as you, I think I damn well deserve to do it. Aside from that I have health reasons that keep me from working. But those very healthy baby momma's and baby daddies that keep showing up for benefits could do many jobs to earn what they burn from society. If you received benefit and got off Welfare, you are not the one I have a problem with, it is the others who think it is a lifelong life support system. Now you gonna tell me they don't exist? Aside from that my ex-wife worked in another county for both CPS and KTAAA. I heard horror stories you wouldn't know about. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 31, 2008 5:00 PM:

" To: Angie wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:18 PM:
I might ask you the same question where are you bloggin from at 4:18 p.m. if you are in social services. You have such a light case load you don't have work to do, or did you run all the cattle through for the day already?
It's people who defend these creeps who take and take and take and give nothing back but job security to their social workers, that I don't have any use for either one the blood suckers or the social worker. So in less you are in that category you shouldn't worry about what I say about Welfare Rats and their counter parts. But quite honestly you are quite defensive when someone speaks with a little knowledge of how the system is played and how it works. By the way you don't have to just hang out at the Welfare Department, go to Super Wal~mart and watch people going through the lines with their two baskets. The accepted EBT Card food stamp cart and then the one containing the cash items that aren't paid for by us. Why 2 baskets? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 31, 2008 5:07 PM:

" To: Angie wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:18 PM:
If they are truly as needy as you say, then why do they have a second basket they can pay cash for with non necessities? These people are so well known at the registers now, the cashiers don't even ask them for I.D. to use their EBT cards. It's become a routine never to change. Then comes the real eye opener the boy friend all healthy and standing their with a smug look on his face and when they say do you need help out: He retorts no, I got it. Then when you follow them out of the store you see the two baskets going to some expensive like new car that is all tricked out and has more money in wheels and tires than they spend on rent a month. So yes Angie, I do live up to my name and I can't be fooled as easily as you and the other social workers can. That's the babies daddy and his flashy car that he pays for with the money the babies momma doesn't report to you guys. Need more? "

Angie wrote on Aug 1, 2008 6:23 AM:

" To Watchdog Fred-I never said there is no fraud, no liars, and no leeches. What ticks me off is when people like you who stand in line behind someone with an EBT card and you start looking in the cart watching what they're buying and everything else about them (what they're wearing, how their kids act, who they're with, etc.) and as your looking at them up and down from the tip of your nose you put them in a category. To you, they are the decay of society and it burns you up that they get free food and free money because all they do is sit on their lazy butts and watch TV and do drugs.
It never crosses your mind that they just might be doing something to better themselves other than depleting this world of YOUR oxygen. That's why I get defensive. "

Angie wrote on Aug 1, 2008 6:36 AM:

" To Watchdog Fred-This will be my last post to you because your hatred is a waste of blog space so let me tell you a story.
One day I went grocery shopping and I noticed the 50-60 year old lady behind me upset because I was paying with WIC coupons (they take a little long to process). I paid and walked to the parking lot with my basket of food an started loading it up into a very beautiful 1964 Chevy Impala that belonged to my male cousin who was gracious enough to give me a ride after he got off work. The lady who was behind me in line happened to walk by (she was probably following me) and as they watched my cousin help me she said OUT LOUD to her spouse "See what we pay for? He probably sells drugs"
She didn't even know me but she sure hated me. "

whitey wrote on Aug 1, 2008 10:54 AM:

" I used to work in the gas station right outside the welfare office in hanford. before it was kings gas. Every week we would have many many welfare to work people come into our store and ask for applications while they were still in their pajamas slippers and all. ratted up t-shirts, ripped up sweat pants, asking for applications. Then they would actually have the nerve to ask us to put our store stamp on the application just to prove to the welfare office that they came in and "applied" so they could still receive their benefits. Not to mention coming in with their food stamp cards and having special made sandwiches that cost almost 6 bucks a piece instead of buying the items it would take to make their own sandwiches. and after they paid for their food with their stamps or cards, they would dig into their pockets and bust out a hundred dollar bill and buy beer and smokes. and lottery tickets, while telling their children that they couldnt have a cookie because it costed too much. i hardly think 3 cookies for 99cents is expensive. "

whitey wrote on Aug 1, 2008 11:00 AM:

" Im not saying all people on welfare are like that, but you have to admit, most people are. My mother was on welfare for a few years. after her and my real dad divorced. she got off when she got back on her feet. I have never received benefits. But i am thankful that if it ever came down to me having to need it, i know its there. but i think its completely wrong for the people who take advantage of it. Like for instance, when people have enough money to go get their hair done, and their nails, pedicures too.... talkin on their 400 dollar i phone, wearing brand name clothes.... telling their kids they cant have a 5 dollar toy or a 75 cent candy bar..... when they are buying their alcohol. "

BJMallory wrote on Aug 1, 2008 11:55 AM:

" That's right, Angie. People like Fred and his ilk won't make comments to all the white people on welfare using WIC coupons and EBT cards. They save their best ignorant, judgemental one-liners for those of us practicing "Mexicanism".

Look how far off topic this has gone. "

JR wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:27 PM:

" Amazing how far off topic we have gotten. From selling Mexican flags at a 4th of July event to people on Welfare??? How did that happen? Oh yeah, posters like Fred pushing their agendas so much they can't stay on topic. Don't suppose I'll ever get an answer to my question about whether Ms. Coe ever actually talked to the vendors...she's probably stopped reading this message board already. I know I will be. Thanks Fred!! "

Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 1, 2008 2:47 PM:

" Angie, Thank you for your comments and also for the greatly needed perspective and balance that you have added to the dialogue. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 1, 2008 4:37 PM:

" To the very prejudice: BJMallory wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:55 PM:

" That's right, Angie. People like Fred and his ilk won't make comments to all the white people on welfare using WIC coupons and EBT cards. They save their best ignorant, judgemental one-liners for those of us practicing "Mexicanism".

Look how far off topic this has gone. "

You people amaze me, I didn't make a distinction of people they all fall in the same category if they are repeat offenders of the Welfare Environment. I don't care if they are pink, purple or blue.

I don't know who is more prejudice BJ you or Mrs. D.? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 1, 2008 4:49 PM:

" To: Angie "The lady who was behind me in line happened to walk by (she was probably following me) and as they watched my cousin help me she said OUT LOUD to her spouse "See what we pay for? He probably sells drugs"
She didn't even know me but she sure hated me. "

Don't try panning off a story you would tell the social worker if she/he caught you. I'm not interested in that lie. You all have a myriad of cousins who just happen to be so nice, please. I know how the game works I've been watching it for years.
My reference to baby momma's is more of a black saying than a hispanic one girls. I didn't get a single response from a black person, so maybe your a little too defensive and need to realize if the shoe fits you have to wear it.
If you truly were a success story then the people cheating should upset you just as much Angie. But no you defend them one and all, making excuses along the way, that's how they play the game too! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 1, 2008 4:57 PM:

" To: Angie how many people who really deserve help and need help are turned away everyday for those who abuse and reuse the Welfare System? Can you answer that question honestly for me? Once they learn the paperwork and the system they know exactly what to lie about to stay on Welfare. You don't end up with generations of the same people on Welfare if the system isn't broken, Angie. if any public agency got a handle on all the names that continue to pop up in the system the true story would be told about Welfare and how far it is out of hand. Arnold needs to extend that federal wage to Social Workers as well and then maybe things might turn around. He's winding people down to $6.65 per hour until the budget is passed. Talk to the employees at DMV. Maybe Kings County could learn a lesson from him. Perhaps raises should come based on how many people a Social Worker gets off Welfare and then we might see the trend changing. Until then I will continue to scream foul, fraud and liars. "

BJMallory wrote on Aug 1, 2008 6:15 PM:

" Now who's playing games, Fred? You mention lowriders...hmmmm who usually drives those types of cars? And you flat out said you are making a "black" reference. Yet you're calling ME prejudiced. Whatever, man.

I'm getting a t-shirt made that says "Mexicanism practiced here". I rather like that new word. "

Paula wrote on Aug 2, 2008 12:29 PM:

" To JR no I have not stopped reading these, I find it very interesting the different routes this whole thing has taken and it surprises me it's still going round and round. I do not however have time to sit and watch this board all day, day after day and answer questions, so i have not been here in quite a few days. To answer your question, no i did not talk to the vendors, l just saw the merchandise and walked out. I have talked to other people I know, who saw the same booth and pretty much had the same thoughts and reactions as I did. I was the only one to get on a soapbox and speak my mind, express my opinion publicly. And i guess since this is the most commented on topic of the Sentinel for the last 15 days, i guess it's a topic people want to talk about "

Scott D wrote on Aug 2, 2008 5:50 PM:

" To Paula! I liked your artical and it was well stated and to the point. Why did the blogs get off track. When you mentioned the Mexican flag! With our governments failing to control our borders and giving free money and medical care for those who cross greatly upsets real Americans. All who are born here should be proud of being Americans. Many have served and died to give you and the rest of these people the right to voice there concerns. I too find it very disrespectful of these foreigners flying there home country's flags in our country. I have lived here in this city for over 50 years. I have served my country in time of war and peace. Californa was a beautiful state that offered many a good life and a place to raise a family. Not anymore! The golden state is now the welfare state. Our government is to blame and the people too. If you want change, you need to fight for it. So Many unhappy people here! Talk to you elected officials and change the welfare requirements and deport those who don't belong here. Report the drug addicts to the police. Make a difference! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 2, 2008 10:27 PM:

" To Scott Tucker do you really want to talk about welfare and immigration and discrimination, because I've been researching Switzerland and so has Alejandro if you really want to go there Mr. Non Resident! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 2, 2008 10:35 PM:

" To Angie: I don't know if the moderator is sleeping or what this weekend but I will try and get this through again. First of all Low Riders are not for just hispanics. Whites, blacks and even some native american indians own them Angie, You really need to get out more. Secondly my nephew works on these cars for all nationalities and bags the cars. Do you know what that is Angie? He reworks the frames and mounts air bags in them and hydraulics that make them capable of raising and lowering the body. His largest clientel at the moment are white guys who are tricking out mini pickups and show them in car shows throughout the state. They refer to and call them low riders. So once again you got is wrong Angie, lowriders are not primarily owned and operated by hispanics as you tried to infer. Don't bother llstening to Scott Tucker he has only owned one car in his lifetime and it was a foreign car at that. Go Figure! "

censor this... wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:36 PM:

" I have had 3 comments trying to repsond to watchdog fred, but for some reason they aren't making it maybe by luck this will go through. I think Paula's letter to the editor is just wasted space, I mean complain to the city for approving this person's permit. Unfortunately when someone does something in this country that I don't like the only thing I can do is just ignore it, because it is their right, yes its stupid but not illegal. I wont comment about welfare or mexicanism since its way off the subject and this vendor could have been selling cuban flags, puerto rican flags, etc.. My only suggest to Ms Coe would be to get a thicker skin, wait till you have orders to the South and you start seeing the confederate flag everywhere, its all about adjusting to your different environment and if you don't like it then stay on the base because you wont last as a military spouse if you cant accept that not everyplace is like home. "

Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:10 PM:

" To Fred
I welcome you as a brother in arms especially from 'Nam. But Fred you and I will have to part ways in how we think. I think that you are still bitter about not getting your job at theSafeway Creamery and it has continued to mess with your mind all these years later. like Angie I see you as a bitter old man who just complains and complains. I have read your post in this and other blogs and you are fixated on certain themes and you write and write and write... Scott D wrote, "Our government is to blame and the people too. If you want change, you need to fight for it. So Many unhappy people here! Talk to you elected officials and change the welfare requirements and deport those who don't belong here. Report the drug addicts to the police. Make a difference! " Make a difference Fred!!!! I put out my AMERICAN FLAG every morning and in the evening, I retire the colors. I honestly don't care if my neighborhood looks like the United Nations building. We have more pressing issues than VENDORS selling flags on the 4th. "

Wow wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:36 PM:

" Wow This Watchdog Fred leads a very boring life haha..Sit in front of the Welfare Building? You have to get a better hobby..Everyone next time you pay for your groceries or you have to go to the County watch out the (Wierdo) AKA Watchdog is looking... "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 12:14 AM:

" To Angie: The Christian Science Monitor in an editorial attributes the “success story” disclosed by the CIS study to “Washington’s wake-up call last summer to beef up enforcement, from plugged leaks in the border to cracking down on employers who hired illegal workers.”

The Monitor adds, “John McCain only reluctantly came around to the ‘enforcement first’ idea last year while Barack Obama opposes it. Perhaps this study will make them true converts.”

That means those Barack once to provide health insurance to, that 48 million number just declined by more than 1 million. If John McCain gets elected it will drop by another 6 million over his first term in office. Then five years later by an additional 6 million then we can afford to provide health care to the legal citizens in our country.

One million leaving that is better than a blue light special sale, or comodities day at the County. This keeps up and we won't need the county social workers, CPS or many other agencies in the county in the numbers they exist now. More people off Welfare, it's wonderful fellow taxpayers. . "

Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:21 AM:

" Fred, it is wonderful that you are finally learning and taking an interest in things. Well done! Let me know when you come for a visit and I will gladly show you all that Switzerland has to offer. Also, I want to thank you once again for misdirecting the focus of this forum away from the original topic and instead making it something about me.

And Fred, the immigration and discrimination problems here in Switzerland are a direct result of people who, I am certain, you would have much in common with. There is no doubt that you would be a flag-waving member of the Swiss People's Party. "

Angie wrote on Aug 4, 2008 7:37 AM:

" To Whitey- I agree with you Whitey. I've seen this stuff too. It's sad. And THANK YOU for saying that 'not all welfare recipients are like this'
because that's what chaps my hide when people categorize ALL welfare recipients. "

LOST IN TRANSLATION wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:47 AM:

" ABSOLUTE RESPECT to this sovereign territory, this country still known as of the United States of America. Without fail recognized disrespect is practiced by the growing numbers of south nationals.

Don't act like scapegoats for attention brought on actions of overtly takening great disrespects.Shear numbers of incidents can't be ignored.

When you enter someone house...someones country you do not have the right to provoke and impose your loyalties to another country, faith, or cultural ideoogy in THEIR house.

This is still the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA...not a territiry of Mexico, I don't care what the past history WAS...it is NOT relevant TODAY!

Why must a culture push disrespecting the U.S.? Why do specific posters downplay the actual offense? Why is it an American citizen cannot make a statement and react?

No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof. "

Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 4, 2008 2:03 PM:

" I spent many years at different posts not only here in the states but also overseas. Throughout the years I have learned like Censor This said, " then stay on the base because you wont last as a military spouse if you cant accept that not everyplace is like home. " Their right. And although I am not a Linguist like Freds brother, I have learned German, French, a little Italian and even SPANISH. If you ever go to Europe, you will see that almost every person there speaks two, sometimes three languages. Fluently. And they aren't Linguist. We don't want to learn, bother or struggle. Even in other countries we EXPECT someone to know English. I've seen and heard it. I'm LUCKY and PROUD to be American but I'm not going to beat down anyone who's trying to make a buck. It's the American way. I don't look at what people are buying nor who goes and comes out of any office. This is America and there's a small piece of paper that GUARANTEES anybody the FREEDOM to pursue the right to liberty, justice and happiness some of you have forgotten it, its called the CONSTITUTION. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 3:58 PM:

" Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:03 PM:

I am curious what was your MOS in Vietnam and where did you serve? Who was the overall commander in Viet Nam, what was his name, rank and affiliation? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:08 PM:

" Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:03 PM:
Everyone next time you pay for your groceries or you have to go to the County watch out the (Wierdo) AKA Watchdog is looking...

I always find it amuzing when a person has his/her eyes open and is conscientous enough to share information, they are some how condemmed for being weird. Are Whistle Blowers who see management/supervisors violating law and ignoring people's rights who have the juevos to turn them in, weird? Is it not the proper thing to do when you see people who work their tails off being denied things other people are being handed on a silver platter. Is it weird when oviously a healthy person is obviously taking advantage of the system when they could be out working, is that observation weird? Is it not common knowledge that three, four and soon to be five generations of people with the same last name are receiving Welfare, is that observation also weird? Is it weird that a single mom in another blog sat crying in the lobby of the Welfare Department because she made too much money to qualify? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:08 PM:

" In Response to WOW's comments
Everyone next time you pay for your groceries or you have to go to the County watch out the (Wierdo) AKA Watchdog is looking...

I always find it amuzing when a person has his/her eyes open and is conscientous enough to share information, they are some how condemmed for being weird. Are Whistle Blowers who see management/supervisors violating law and ignoring people's rights who have the juevos to turn them in, weird? Is it not the proper thing to do when you see people who work their tails off being denied things other people are being handed on a silver platter. Is it weird when oviously a healthy person is obviously taking advantage of the system when they could be out working, is that observation weird? Is it not common knowledge that three, four and soon to be five generations of people with the same last name are receiving Welfare, is that observation also weird? Is it weird that a single mom in another blog sat crying in the lobby of the Welfare Department because she made too much money to qualify? "

What the... wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:16 PM:

" LOST IN TRANSLATION, could you please translate your own post? I have no idea what you are trying to say; your spelling and syntax are really bad. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:21 PM:

" To whitey wrote on Aug 1, 2008 12:54 PM
Careful Whitey you are being way to observant and making comments that will ire people even though they know you are right. You will be accused of prejudice like I was. They are right when it comes to lazy couch potato Welfare Rats, regardless of nationality, I hate them. Why should they be different, better, more qualified than the citizens born and raised in this state who make $2 too much a month to qualify. Do you know how they would solve that problem, they wouldn't work? But the struggling single 35 year old mom on the blog regarding housing for poor people continues to work and struggle and try and make her way with her children at her side. She probably will cry a river of tears before she gets any help from this county, she doesn't have the right surname to qualify. When we started hiring spanish speaking welfare scoial workers we surrendered to our brothers and sisters from south of the border. But there is good news, with the wise moves made recently 1.3 Million have left. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:27 PM:

" To: Scott Tucker, yes Scott do you know the first thing I learned about your chosen homeland is, that immigration represents less than 1% of the overall population increase per year.

Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 4, 2008 6:21 AM:

" Fred, it is wonderful that you are finally learning and taking an interest in things. Well done! Let me know when you come for a visit and I will gladly show you all that Switzerland has to offer. Also, I want to thank you once again for misdirecting the focus of this forum away from the original topic and instead making it something about me.

I am not misdirecting anything, Welfare has become very much a part of our everyday life. I bet if I interviewed some of the Tuckers left here in the United States they would agree with that statment? I know my own family agrees with it.
What I am talking about is American's First, save our Welfare for people who are here legally and who have worked hard all their lives. Don't give it away to someone so disatisfied with their own country they come here to work. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:35 PM:

" To: Scott Tucker it amazes me everyone talks about the poor disadvantaged illegal immigrants who fled their country to come to our county to fly their countries flag and collect welfare. They may not start out that way, they may earn a few paychecks in the fields first but most end up that way on Welfare out of work. How is that improving their impoverished selves. Naturally you are gonna stand up for them, there cause and effect increases the number of teaching positions everywhere they are, even Switzerland.
What about the poor people who work and strive all their lives to finally face defeat and realize the dream of owning a house is never there for them. People who sack your groceries, wash your car, serve you meals, provide basic health care while you're in the hospital, write stories in the local newspaper? What about those people who maybe could use a handup instead of a handout? We have to turn our backs on these people to help those illegal, undocumented and unlawful non citizens who are becoming bottom feeders in our society. So those who deserve help, can't get it. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:41 PM:

" To: Scott Tucker So I am simply taking this article a step further and saying American's First. By darn it's about time we started thinking in that manner and acting accordingly. The more illegal people forced out of this country and deported the more help that will be available for citizens who need it. Let me explain how that works, if you get rid of those people who have no income then the scale for qualifying people has to move up simply because they are no longer included in the benefit eligibility. So people making little money now begin to qualify Scott. It's simple mathematics, and doing what is right for the taxpaying voting citizens in this country. Once we accomplish this, then we need to work on taking back all the money going to other countries for aid and provide even more to the citizens in our own country. I guarantee you it isn't the people I named before that are having houses foreclosed on. If these people ever got a home, they wouldn't lose it ever, because they know how much they make and what they can afford. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:48 PM:

" To: Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 4, 2008 4:03 PM:

I totally disagree with your comments regarding the Constitution. I do not believe for one minute that the forefathers who drew up that Constitution had any plans for people who were not willing to migrate to this country and take every step possible to beomce a U.S. citizen. Many people arrived here through Ellis Island as my ancestors did, they didn't slip through the dark of night or swim the Rio Grande to get to this country undetected. They crossed on boats with proper papers and stood proud at the customs check in points, seeking the American Dream. Willing to learn English, willing to take classes and work their tail ends off to earn their citizenship. Not only that then they turned around and fought in WWI and WWII, Korea and Vietnam to prove their commitment to this country. When did you ever hear of an illegal immigrtant winning the Congressional Medal of Honor? The hero I always looked upto that won that medal was Audy Murphy the most decorated soldier in WWII. He was born here on American soil. "

To watchdog fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:44 PM:

" Who in the heck are you Watchdog Fred to pass judgment on anyone! And how in the world do you know so much about people being on Welfare, Everyone who is a citizen should have the right to get Welfare help with being judged by all the Watchdogs..Even though you said it's taking money out of people's pockets I'm OK with is coming out of my check to help a struggling family,,It seems like you bring out the bad in everything..Did you know that some of the Welfare workers used to be on aid themselves..Yes and it is "WEIRD" how you can change a subject of a topic, to watching people at the welfare. And for the whistle blower comment, That is not blowing the whistle when you already assume that the person is abusing the welfare system, that is "ASSUMING"..There are also military personal receiving welfare because their pay is so low or their husband or wife are on cruise and they need help..Tell them they are abusing the system"WATCHDOG" "

Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:37 PM:

" Like I said Fred, your an old grumpy man. You point out everything that fits YOU and nobody else. But like I said " we have to part ways." The one thing that serving America during her wars is that it makes combat veterans compassionate. You have gone in the opposite direction. And thank you for spitting on me and my friend that is BURIED in Fresno. You did what so many Americans did to us when we (not you) came back from 'Nam. We had to take off your uniforms on the planes coming back but answer this question Fred, "There are also military personal receiving welfare because their pay is so low or their husband or wife are on cruise and they need help..Tell them they are abusing the system"WATCHDOG"They also get food stamps Fred, are you watching them also???? Are YOU ready to call them Welfare Rats FRED???? " Waiting... "

JR wrote on Aug 5, 2008 12:19 AM:

" Paula, I really feel that if there is a message board after a news story or article, then the postings should be ONLY about the issues brought up in that article alone and NOT go off on tangents. Clearly, some people can't do that (Watchdog Fred); and have some agenda they'd rather push than staying on topic. I don't know what that is, since frankly, I just skim the names to see who's doing all the posting. If you have a gripe against a vendor, you need to contact that vendor if you want to do something about it. Again, if you don't, you're just whining. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:00 AM:

" To: To watchdog fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:44 PM:

I'll be happy to answer your questions as soon as you quit using a to response with my moniker, don't you have the ability to create your own?

"Did you know that some of the Welfare workers used to be on aid"
I absolutely know that and furthermore that is part of the problem you have former recipients who lied and cheated to get welfare showing others how to do it for job security for theirselves. That is one of my largest pet peeves about the whole situation.

Welfare Rats, beware, invesigations that have never been launched before are soon to be launched and those of you who have lied are gonna get caught up in the traps being set and you will be charged with Welfare Fraud and do time behind it, plus pay restitution and if you are here illegally you will be deported. The Feds are in charge of this crackdown, not the local, state and so forth these are the guys who when they bite they have teeth. Consider yourselves warned. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:02 AM:

" To: To watchdog fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:44 PM:

" Who in the heck are you Watchdog Fred to pass judgment on anyone! And how in the world do you know so much about people being on Welfare,

Because I do and that bugs the heck out of all you cheats who can't figure out not only the cheating but the way it is accomplished to boot. I have some very interesting insights from very good friends who have been involved in it too my dear. They are in the investigative end of what you do. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:10 AM:

" To: To watchdog fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:44 PM:
As usual people don't question what I am saying they just don't understand how I could be so well versed in so many different subjects. Well I didn't waste my youth chasing after musical interests. I didn't turn and run at my countries call to arms. I never turned down an honest job with an honest pay for an honest days work. I never balked and made the raising of my son someone else's responsibility. I never expected the government to raise him. I've spoken with probably four or five hundred people connected with various counties in various capacities and they were brutually honest with how broken the system is and no one is trying to fix it. So I figure knowledge is spendable the more people who gain the knowledge not assumptions that I have concerning Welfare the sooner the fire will be put out. You see aboard ship all sailors are schooled in fire fighting, not just those in damage control but everyone. That way we had instant fire fighters at the scene of every fire. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 5, 2008 4:54 AM:

" Fred, please stop misquoting me. Learn to use quotation marks correctly, a skill most people learn in elementary school.

What exactly is your point about the 1% population increase? Yes, it is true that the annual foreign population increase is around 1%. For example, according the the Bundesamt für Statistik, the foreign population of Switzerland increased by ca. 18,600 persons, representing a +1.1% increase from the previous year's foreign popluation total. But you seem to forget that in a country that is 1/10 the size of California with a population of only 7.5 million, this is a substantial amount. Plus, you seem to forget that 20.7% of the Swiss population consists of foreigners like myself, which, I imagine, would be a nightmare for you.

"What about those people who maybe could use a handup instead of a handout?" You mean people like Angie, who you have attacked relentlessly and called a liar?

Fred, the money that goes towards foreign aid is to ensure that people in those countries can find work and jobs and support their families, so that they do not have to illegally immigrate to the USA to do so. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Aug 5, 2008 6:05 AM:

" To watchdog fred wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:44 PM:

Everyone who is a citizen should have the right to get Welfare

This is my point exactly, but the system is so overcrowded with baby making machines and illegal law breaking people the honest citizens can't get help. "

No Point wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:42 AM:

" There is no point to argue with "Grumpy" "know-it-all Fred". He love's it when people argue with him, It give's him a reason to get out of bed. Get a life Fred!! I am sure you have high blood pressure with the attitude you have..Go live life don't worry about other people's issue's..I have a beach house for rent let me know if you want to use it, You need to get away and take a deep breath..Everyone in my office always love's to see the post's that you make, You are a joke Fred!! Take a yoga class! Go fly a kite! Collect stamps!! Hell do something other than bash people on every artical. "

whitey wrote on Aug 5, 2008 11:13 AM:

" And... BJ mallory IS NOT prejudice. I dont see what the big deal is. I mean, its not like they were trying to force everybody to buy the flags. If you wanted to buy a flag, then buy a flag. If you didnt want a flag then dont. There is nothing wrong with showing your heritage pride, regardless of what country you are in. Why does no one have an opinion when there are portuguese flags flying around on fourth of july? or puerto rican? Because its petty. That would be like saying americans shouldnt buy things. when local stores are having Cinco de Mayo sales and specials. its childish and petty. And it has absolutley nothing to do with the welfare system. I know i have commented here already about the welfare system, but man... it seems like every topic in here gets turned into some sort of welfare issue. why is that? "

Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 5, 2008 2:15 PM:

" I love life, I love America and I am not ashamed of anything or anyone in the country. Although I have visited or been station in almost every part of the world, I always look foward to coming home. We have our problems and some issues that need our full attention. But I am a man about things and continue to work for the improvment of my community. I don't sit in some dark room in front of a computer complaining about everything and everyone that I don't like because I didn't get a job with Safeway. Paula next time something bothers you SAY something. God gave you a mouth USE IT!!!! Make a difference! "

Angie wrote on Aug 5, 2008 3:33 PM:

" To Vietnam Vet-
Again, Well said. "

WATHCDOG FRED wrote on Aug 5, 2008 8:48 PM:

" Scott Tucker - what's the matter you afraid if the foreign aid disappears so will your position?
Fred, the money that goes towards foreign aid is to ensure that people in those countries can find work and jobs and support their families, so that they do not have to illegally immigrate to the USA to do so. "

We need to start protecting our borders and our citizens who are in the Continental United States. "

WATHCDOG FRED wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:12 PM:

" whitey wrote on Aug 5, 2008 1:13 PM:
Whitey think about how much more spendable income you would have if you didn't have to support all those people coming in to King Gas buying $6.00 sandwiches. You eluded to it yourself they were no more prepared to accept or would they have accepted a job if it had been offered to them. That is the problem with the Welfare to work program, it has to be more than a way for people to continue their aid. It has to be an actual work to hire program where a private temporary agency is brought in to find actual jobs not create them at tax payers expense.
If a person who has been in California for five or more years and can't work because they can't "speak English", needs to be sent back to wherever they came from. I don't care if it is the Azore's, Mexico or Holland for that matter.
My problem with this whole Welfarte scenario is we have a process to legally come into this country. If people can't meet those basic tests and abilities, do we really want them here? "

WATHCDOG FRED wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:15 PM:

" Vietnam Vet - if we as a country are not paying our military members enough to survive on, then yes they should be paid benefits so they may live at least as well as people on Welfare live. Do you as a so called vet have a problem with that as well? The difference being at least one of their family members is contributing to society and working to defend our country. In the Welfare Family not related to the military the only fight going on is to remain on Welfare. That in case you didn't know is the difference. Quite obviously you didn't know. Just like quite obviously you were never a Vietnam Vet? "

Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:04 PM:

" I am with the majority of the people here fred. You are way out there in left field somewhere. And I don't think you know whats going on. Better yet you are problably in the back room where you don't come out much or they won't let you out. Pretending you are James Bond is what little kids do. .A real VETERAN would NEVER question another VETERAN so that leads me to believe that YOU are not a veteran of any kind. Remember that next time you are sitting at the American Legion having a drink with old soldiers. And if you don't or can't, I'll remind you. And to the rest of you, sorry for people like fred. All veterans are not like him. Most of us have gotten over our time in service and lead SANE, productive lives. Sadly, others have not. "

Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 6, 2008 2:41 PM:

" one last thing fred, there have been Congressional Medal of Honor Vets of every color and race. And I am not fixated on only a certain group that looks like me. I look up to all of them. I look up to any real Veteran. Audy Murphy WAS NOT the only one that made it to the top. But REMEMBER fred, this topic was about Paulas inability to speak up for what she believes is right, her God given American right and not what unit I was in, that is between God and me. Nor about about what group of people is, was or will be on public assistance. Again fred, no real VETERAN talks much about that and when they do somehow tears always follow. Compassion always follows, UNDERSTANDING always follows. YOU, lack all of these qualities!! "

Mrs.D wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:54 PM:

" Watchdog Fred, were you christened the Tangent Fairy of Kings County? You automatically go off on the Mexican people whenever you feel like it. Trust me when I say this, but we are not too happy with you! Please, remember in my previous post that this country was founded on diversity. That means you, Fred; whatever you are, your ancestors played a big part in building the US. Also remember that a lot of people work harder than you making the things that make your life so luxurious. And please remember that when you're eating a nice green salad with tomatoes: the people who got up at 3am just to pick them in a field for 12 hours a day without benefits whatsover.

The Mexican people, the ones who are here legally, are proud of their new heritage. Take a cue from them! "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:08 PM:

" Say Watchdog,

What kind of brave man puts out his moniker here as "Vietnam Vet?"

Why does he choose to thrust THAT particular life experience in our face in announcing his opinions to the Sentinel bloggers? Is he bragging or is he complaining?

You were right to ask him military-related questions and not just take his word for it - questions which he did not answer as yet.

But he did say he was drafted. So? I would like to remind him that some of us actually volunteered and don't make a big deal of it, both here and in our daily lives.

And many, many of us lost friends, relatives, and schoolmates in that (and other) conflict(s), so what does he expect us to do: respect his opinions all the more because his friend is buried in Fresno?

No, Watchdog, this man is not in the same class with the noble Blue Falcon.

Not that we expect him to be, that is.

And Paula Coe has every right to express herself - which she did extremely well. "

Agree with Vet wrote on Aug 6, 2008 7:16 PM:

" I stand by you Vietnam Vet!! I would never question's someone who has laid it down on the line for us to post on here!! "

To ALEJANDRO wrote on Aug 6, 2008 9:04 PM:

" Vietnam Vet has every right to be proud and talk about it!! So what if he got drafted and you chose to join!! You both still fought,So is that wrong for him to want to talk about it and about how his buddy was buried in Fresno. I am from a Military family and I would never..NEVER!! question a man's passion or his service!!! I was a Scout Sniper in Korea along the DMZ and I respect Vietnam Vet!!! Now you tell me I didn't serve!!! Everyone on this forum can express opinion, But questioning if a man has lost buddy's in a war or if He or She was even in the military is wrong and YOU KNOW THAT!!! Mrs Coe if you don't like seeing nothing but Mexican flags, I would move then, This state is getting alot of Hispanics, Asians, Armenians, and other people of all color proud of their flag and heritage, It's funny how people hate to see the Mexican flag, but when you go into a Mexican eatery all you see is Caucasian people loving our food, And you have no problem with the flag over your head while eating!! "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 7, 2008 3:02 AM:

" To: Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:04 PM:
You know this is really ironic, I am currently in the process of pulling out copies of my Meritorious Unit Commendation signed by the Secretary of the Navy, my DD214 which lists my many medals and campaigns I fought in Vietnam and where it states Served In Vietnam. Highly Recommended for Reenlistment. Because you see I volunteered to serve my country and I am not one damn bit ashamed about it. Many of you who were dragged by the scruffs of your necks and were bitter about the whole experience are a different breed. I give you that! You never want to talk about it, but anytime a brother asks another brother/sister what they did, it is out of courtesy unless that person refuses to answer. Many times I find out it is because they hid out in Germany for two years, or they got an undesireable discharge. But never have they hid behind the half hazard excuse you throughout, sounds like one of those vietnam falasies people watch on tv and try to convert it to their experience. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 7, 2008 3:09 AM:

" To: Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:04 PM:
But getting back to what I was telling you. I am gathering all this documentation pictures of my old gun mount included. Because now 38 years later the VA is questioning my service in Vietnam in order to award me a service connected medical problem I am suffering from. Even though I have the skin rashes, the adult onset of Diabetes II, Neuropathy and many more of the symptoms of being exposed to Agent Orange. Now they say, somewhere I made a statement about not serving in Vietnam. If I hadn't served it wouldn't be indicated on all the awards, medals and campaigns I was a part of. I may have to contact my ex division officer and get him to vouch for their own paperwork, that the navy filled out on me. Thank God my former division officer and I just touch bases again a few months back along with a retired Chief Petty Officer I worked for aboard ship. So there is no doubt in my mind I am gonna win this appeal, because I am right. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 7, 2008 3:14 AM:

" To: Vietnam Vet wrote on Aug 6, 2008 4:04 PM:
Having given you all that personal information, I'll share another comment with you. I have no problem believing what we did in Vietnam was right when I was there, when I left we were still fighting and not turning our back on a promise made. Had I to do it all over again, I'd do it in a heart beat even if I knew the outcome of my health, because I was there for my brothers and sisters who are many facing the same thing I am now. The government is in denial for one very important reason. The more of us that kick the bucket do to this, the less they will have to pay out in pensions to us. But money isn't what it is about for me, they have challenged my great service to this great nation, a fight they will wish they never provoked with me. I can provide eye witnesses, paperwork, pictures and a myriad of evidence to prove my case, and prove it I will. But you don't even want to acknowledge what your job was there? "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 7, 2008 3:19 AM:

" Alejandro,
I don't believe this is a guy we are dealing with and if it is he is very young and naive about the Vietnam Conflict in general. I picked up on that immediately, there is nothing worse than someone who claims to be a brother soldier, airman or marine and turns out to be a fake.
It brings much discredit to those of us who wore a uniform and served that cause. Thousands of men and women laid down their lives for that cause and this would be the biggest afront to those sacrifices, I can think of. I think the real Vietnam Vet is hiding behind a moniker concocted in their own mind.
But it is always a pleasure to acknowledge such a gallant veteran as yourself and I do, and I Thank You For Your Service, as I've done many times. There is a lot of bitterness about the war still today built up in many, but I let all of that go years ago. If you don't it festers, burns holes in your stomach, makes you a chain smoker and cuts your life in half. It's not worth it. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 7, 2008 12:39 PM:

" To Mrs. D, why do you always accuse all others of racism. I have yet to read a post by WatchDog Fred that he puts down Hispanics/Latinos/Asians/ Martian/ Etc. He is against ILLEGALS, no matter racce/creed/gender. I also see a lot of MEXICANS eating at MickeyD's, so what is your point?
To Viet Vet. I wil not challenge your tag, for I too am a Viet vet, didn't have to avoid any lead mosquitos (bullets), and I like WatchDogFred volunteered when everyone was calling us baby killers. I have my Vietnam Service Medal and Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal, but only supported bombing missions from a nearby country. I thought the whole thing was about celebrating the 4th of July with American Flags, not the national flag of Estados Unido De Mexico! "

Hanford Resident wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:57 PM:

" I just don't understand why Fred has to bring up Welfare all the time? And I think i seen someone post that Watchdog watches people go in and out of the welfare dept...CREEPY "

Paul wrote on Aug 7, 2008 2:16 PM:

" Funny Fred, about a year ago my friend was looking to buy a house. He's from the Vietnam era and when they mortgage company asked for confirmation about his time in service, VA sent a letter varifing those dates in a month. Why you have to look up people that were with you, what? 38 years ago sounds to me at best FISHY.Then you go on to say "Now they say, somewhere I made a statement about not serving in Vietnam." I think you have more of a creditability problem than V.V. What was it, did you or did you not serve??? The records the military keeps is sometimes not very good but they are accurate. "

To Paul wrote on Aug 7, 2008 2:36 PM:

" Right on well put, That is very fishy! "

BJMallory wrote on Aug 7, 2008 4:15 PM:

" if we met in real life, we'd get along just fine. I appreciate your family's service and respect it. I think that maybe I've been reading too many Alejandro/Watchdog Fred posts and automatically assumed that you were on their level. How dead wrong was I?!? Your replies are clear, concise and best of all, non-inflammatory. So again, I apologize, Paula.

I blogged about this thread, if anyone wants to read it, you can see it here: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=37642381&blogID=420533632 "

Paula wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:03 PM:

" To BJMallory:
Thank you BJ, your apology does mean alot to me. I did not know they had this online, a friend emailed me the link and I was almost sorry I wrote a letter to the editor with the way all the comments were turning this way and that. I was just expressing my feelings, I did not mean for it to turn into a full blown war on the welfare system, illegals in the states and who did and did not sign up to go to Veitnam, boy that was quite the turn there. And I am positive that if we met in real life we would get along fantasic. Kudos to you for showing your a human being like the rest of this crazy world. I have always said "Difference in people is what makes this world go round, if everyone were exactly the same it would be a very boring place to live" and that includes opinions as well. So thanks again BJ "

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