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Customers: Going, going, nearly gone

For many years, vehicles liberally filtered through the parking lot of Hanford's Centennial Plaza. Shoppers strolled left and right from store to store. Cash registers rang in sale after sale. That was when Wal-Mart anchored the plaza. Today, Wal-Mart has moved to a gleaming new location a few minutes away, leaving behind a mostly empty plaza, save for the customers who flock to Food Company, Earrings & Gifts and Dollar Tree.

The remaining mom-and-pop businesses struggle for customers, thanks to foot traffic that has slowed to a trickle, according to interviews with store managers. The managers hope an anchor takes over the old Wal-Mart building, a step that should not only bring more foot traffic to their businesses but get their registers ringing again. Otherwise, the businesses may leave when their leases expire, forced out by belt-tightening finances.

"I've been at the plaza for two years and I'm still not breaking even," said Larry McLeod, owner of Cartridge World, a printer cartridge replacement store which is losing between $1,000 to $1,500 a month. "I don't have enough money to pay the bills."

The old Wal-Mart building's owner, the Denver-based Redwood Real Estate Partners, has aggressively pursued new anchors in the past year. It once hoped for the arrival of several new tenants by early this year, complete with a refurbished building, in a push to unleash more foot traffic and inject energy into the plaza.

Today, Redwood Real Estate doesn't have any tenants lined up amid a wobbly economy. A wooden board covers up the entrance to the old Wal-Mart store. And spots that once held stores remain empty, their front windows tattered with dust.




The sprouting of new stores near Centennial Plaza like the soon-to-open Lowe's across the street has created stiff competition for luring in new tenants, said Dick Jacques, a consultant for Redwoods Real Estate. As a result, Redwoods Real Estate has had difficulty persuading tenants to set foot in the old Wal-Mart building.

Some people have stayed away from Centennial Plaza, deterred by its emptiness.

"It's an eyesore," said Linda Robinson, 46, an administrative assistant from Hanford. "It's too ugly."

To be sure, the plaza still attracts customers. One store has even seen its profit spike amid the bleak emptiness.

"We reach our sales every month," said Laurie Cancio, an assistant manager at Dollar Tree, a discount store. "People still come this way."

She attributed low prices and the ease of finding products in her store to her relatively good business. She even went as far as saying some of her customers don't like the bigness of the Super Wal-Mart just minutes south of the plaza. Rather, they prefer the convenience of navigating a smaller store like Dollar Tree, she said.

Earrings & Gifts, a gift shop selling everything from T-shirts and cosmetics to wigs and wallets, has kept its business as profitable as the days when Wal-Mart was in the plaza thanks to its loyal customers.

"We have old customers that come again and again," said Kwang Kim, the owner.

But most stores are barely breaking even. Many managers complain of the weak foot traffic, blaming the empty Wal-Mart building for their poor sales.

"I don't have enough traffic," said Frank Remotigue, owner of Asia's Best, Hanford's only Asian market. "I don't have the exposure that Wal-Mart would have provided."

He says his store, where dried Asian noodles and soy sauce pack the shelves, barely covers its expenses.

Some store owners think of leaving once their leases end. They say the foot traffic is so little and the business is so unprofitable that paying rent to remain in the plaza would choke their finances.

"I don't think I'm going to renew my lease," said McLeod of Cartridge World. "I have one year left."

Many businesses have led the exodus, with Subway and Contreras Fashions shuttering their doors in the months past.

City officials haven't lost hope. They think tenants will discover the old Wal-Mart site as Kings County's population balloons, in a sign of confidence that the area remains a retail powerhouse.

"You have a synergy of stores to attract business," said John Stowe, a senior planner with the city of Hanford, explaining the retail wattage power the area around the old Wal-Mart building provides.

Stores sprinkle the area surrounding Centennial Plaza, an indicator that there remains a potential for more foot traffic. Kings County is home to 146,000 people, most of whom are clustered in three cities: Hanford, Lemoore and Corcoran. Stowe says the retail environment in Lemoore and Corcoran is minuscule compared with that of Hanford.

As a result, residents countywide gravitate to the 12th Avenue and Lacey Boulevard intersection, which the plaza borders, to shop. There are lots of opportunities for customers near the intersection: An air-conditioned mall packed with digital-sound cinemas, a fast-food court and a Borders Express; big box retailers like Target and the soon-to-open Lowe's; and a plethora of chain restaurants like Applebee's, Panera Bread and Denny's. The intersection could be the county's busiest.

"You wouldn't want to place a store by itself in the middle of nowhere," said Stowe, explaining a major store in, say, Avenal, wouldn't churn out as much profit as one in or near Centennial Plaza.

A city councilman echoes that statement.

"I consider the old Wal-Mart building to be a marketable property," said David Ayers, a Hanford councilman. "As the area develops, the traffic count will continue to go up and that property will become more desirable."

There's another benefit. Gary Misenhimer, city manager for Hanford, says the old Wal-Mart building costs less to retailers because it doesn't have an estimated $800,000 sticker fee -- otherwise known as impact fees that come with a new site.

Redwood Real Estate has contacted "all major and minor" retailers directly in the hopes of getting them to sign on with the old Wal-Mart facility, according to Jacques. At a recent international shopping center convention in Las Vegas, it marketed its property to retailers nationwide.

But, despite all the hopes, most managers feel dragged down with their location next to an empty 126,000-square-foot building.

"We took a big hit after Wal-Mart left," said Robert Velasquez, manager for Black Bear Diner. "We'd appreciate it if they put something in."

Another manager echoes his statement.

"There's hardly any foot traffic here," said Melissa Ivey, manager of Susie's Deals, a clothing store. "But we're still hanging in here. At one time, a lot of the community did shop here. You couldn't even find a parking spot. Now it's dead all the time."

The reporter can be reached at 583-2423.

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Its a Shame wrote on Aug 10, 2008 6:17 AM:

" Perfect example of urban blight! "

Hanford Native wrote on Aug 10, 2008 7:11 AM:

" Another fine example of how Wal-Mart kills a city. They pay their employees low wages, buy from third world countries for that "low price", and encourage their employees to use public assistance for insurance. But then again, Hanford Planning hasn't had the most common sense....since I've been alive. Good luck! "

Proud Dad wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:01 AM:

" Now I am sure the finger pointing is going to come fast and furious towards the city council since we have an empty building that should have been filled with a tenant before the move took place. But let's take a look at 2 of the tenants that are located there. Cartridge World and Asia's Best. Entrepreneurs that went in with the best of intentions, but aren't working out too well, like most small businesses that fail in the first 3 years. A little research would have shown that Wal-Mart had planned to move for years. A store devoted to Cartridge's? With all (not just Wal-Mart) of the big boxes and Walgreen's type of stores selling ink cartridges and even refilling them at some stores how could a small store even think to compete with them? The Internet makes it super easy to order cartridges also. "

Proud Dad cont wrote on Aug 10, 2008 8:03 AM:

" Asia's Best? Not a whole lot of Asian people live around here. The Asian food restaurants are popular, but it is a pain to make tasty Asian dishes from scratch. They might have done better downtown, who knows. The property owners don't seem too eager to lease the property given the plywood with the graffiti on it for months on end. They could subdivide, lower the rents, etc. Right now they are probably enjoying a tax break on the loss of the revenue. I support small business when I can, but it needs to make sense at the same time. "

no secret wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:55 AM:

" since all of california dept of corrections has deemed this as there ride share parking lot maybe the city could recoup some parking fees and use these fees for youth and senior programs. everyone complains about parking this place now looks like a big valet parking center, with no customers for the busineeses. i read where people were complaining about parking with north hanford, this looks like a dump who wants to shop here. the city built houses out there and then the plaza becomes a ghost town. to those cdc folks why dont you park in your own neighborhoods its not like people dont really know who u folks are,duh. the attitude always gives it away. "

dose wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:35 PM:

" Another success story of republican economic policy. "

for the kids wrote on Aug 10, 2008 2:40 PM:

" I would love to see a business like a John's Incredible Pizza take over the old Wal-Mart location. OR put a Hometown Buffet there or at the old monte mart location next to the new 99 cent store. Just a thought... "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:15 PM:

" Hanford Native: You know Walmart doesn't own the building, right? "

Proud Dad wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:33 PM:

" To Dose: What do the Republican’s have to do with this story? It is called Capitalism; people have a strong incentive to work towards making the almighty dollar. I will take Capitalism over Communism or Socialism any day. If you are talking about Wal-Mart, they had humble beginnings with Sam Walton and one store. That is the beautiful thing about this country; someone with the desire to work and the right moves can make it happen. Anyone theoretically could have created this very successful business. K-Mart already had stores up and running...they could have been the "Wal-Mart", but they didn't have the right leadership to make it happen. "

Billy Buck wrote on Aug 10, 2008 9:54 PM:

" I shop at Asia's best. Great store, but should really be called the Philippine Island store "

Bored in Hanford wrote on Aug 10, 2008 11:01 PM:

" Maybe it's just me that gets bored in this town
(but i doubt it). why can't we get something here like a skating ring,ice skating,indoor paint ball (that is so much fun) something that is safe for teens indoors a place where our parents wouldn't mind us hanging out. not all teens like to walk around the mall .make it to where it is not so expensive to get exercise in this town what better way to do that then running around in circles shooting friends with paint balls.and maybe even some brave parents would get in on the action.what about making all three in one just imagine the profits that would stay here moms,dads you can make this happen and we wont be sitting in front of the tube all day. "

DaTruth wrote on Aug 11, 2008 2:30 AM:

" These businesses would have a hard time surviving with Wal Mart still there, but I still dont think Hanford needed a super Wal Mart. Wal Mart is detroying small town America, there is no doubt about it. "

norma wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:28 AM:

" beware Walmart start off with low prices and then all of sudden they start to raise there prices up alittle at a time been there "

Response to Bored in Hanford wrote on Aug 11, 2008 12:45 PM:

" Two choices-Use your negative energy to move out of the area (my first choice for you) or use your energy and help the powers to be identify solutions. In other words, get involved or get out. "

Hanford Mom wrote on Aug 11, 2008 1:12 PM:

" Bored in Hanford said it for me!!! What about a skating ring, ice skating or something for the kids and teens in this town. It is boring in Hanford. The kids can walk the malls but that gets very old. I would feel much better knowing that my teen or child is having a great time doing something other then just walking around window shopping and mall workers looking at then like they are going to cause trouble. Kids can go bowling, that gets old, its too hot to go to the parks, and so we see them playing video games and being a couch potato, not cool. Adventure park sucks, they rip you off. To do paint ball or skating would be awesome, something different. My child is involved in sports, but at times they just want to be kids and not have to stay at home to do it. "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 11, 2008 2:06 PM:

" I can tell you what would work for that building-the world's largest $12 buffet. Sort of a buffet foods of the world concept. Complete with a little tram to take all the fatties back out to their cars. That right there is a winner my friends. "

Proud Dad wrote on Aug 11, 2008 2:09 PM:

" To Response: That was too strong of a reply to what appears to be a younger reader. I didn't sense negative energy. There really isn't alot of stuff for older kids kids to do in Hanford. The generation today isn't interested in riding bikes, kicking the tin can down the street etc. Due to advances in electronics and media outlets, my kids are way more advanced then my generation was at their age. Not to mention I will not allow my kids to wander the streets. There are too many bad things happening to kids these days. It would be great though if the kids got together and presented ideas to the council. It would be a great learning experience for both sides. "

dose wrote on Aug 11, 2008 2:47 PM:

" Im reposting this since it seems to have gotten lost.

To Proud Dad:

Walmart:

Pays its workers slave wages, doesn't provide health or life insurance, or a retirement package.

Refuses to allow all of its cargo containers to be searched for drugs or weapons.

Only sells cheap plastic junk from China, so even more American jobs go overseas.

Has killed the American dream of owning your own business.

Walmart is a shining example of republican capitalism and economic policy.

www.wakeupwalmart.com "

Boyce Duprey wrote on Aug 11, 2008 3:23 PM:

" IMO, Bored in Hanford makes a good suggestion.

If you want a better skate park, what would be better than an indoor one that could be used in 100° weather or when it's wet, it could also be used when it's dark outside. Doesn't just have to be for skateboarders you could add a roller-blade rink and the paintball idea is good too.

I don't think there was any negative in the suggestion. In-fact, Bored in Hanford was doing exactly what was suggested and "helping the powers to be identify solutions".

If any negative energy was being dissipated, it was coming from the person who gave their "Response". "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Aug 11, 2008 3:42 PM:

" This story kinda reminds me of the old Saturday Night Live sketch of the mall store that only sold tape. Scotch tape in all of its varieties.

Thy were lucky to get even one customer a day and never had a clue what they didn't bring more in.

Since SNL had a decided liberal political slant, I could just imagine our friend "dose' opening his own Scotch Tape store in the mall.

He could call it ‘Sticky Time.'

Well, I thought it was funny... "

Joe Friday wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:54 PM:

" The reason this store continues to be empty can be summed up in two words - enterprise zone.

This property is not in an enterprise zone and does not have the same tax benefits available right across the street in the Target / Walmart / Lowes or Home Depot shopping areas.

The millions of dollars available in tax credits to a large business like Walmart is the reason they moved across the street and did not bother remodeling the old store. This lack of tax benefits is what makes the old empty store so hard to lease. "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 11, 2008 5:00 PM:

" Dose: You do understand that Walmart does not own the building, right?

So they are not trashing the neighborhood, right?

You get that, right?

Alejandro: Sticky Times - funny! "

Proud Dad wrote on Aug 11, 2008 5:03 PM:

" To Dose: Most everyone (unless they are living in a cave) are aware of the "evils" of Wal-Mart. But they still shop there, the almighty dollar isn't speaking, it is shouting!! Have you ever checked what they are selling at Target and Home Depot? Not too many Made in U.S.A products. Now this is the beautiful thing about capitalism, you don't have to shop at Wal-Mart. No one is making you shop there. Wal-Mart is not making the employees work there. They applied, they got hired and can leave just as easy. I have worked retail jobs...I figured out real quick that wasn't what I wanted to to do and went to school and achieved the career that I wanted. I find it pretty hard to believe that they are able to refuse to let their cargo containers to be inspected... "

Just Do It wrote on Aug 11, 2008 5:25 PM:

" To those of you who are making suggestions for the old building, such as a skating rink, ice skating, or paint ball. Why don't you take the iniative to open up one of these types of businesses? Don't sit around and wait for the city or the local government to do it for you. If you think that such a business would prosper in this town, then take a chance, and open one up. If it fails, then you will realize that very few in town are interested in the same things that you are. But, if it takes off and makes you a mint, then you will never have to worry about working for Wal-Mart and not having health insurance ever again. "

dose wrote on Aug 11, 2008 6:41 PM:

" To proud dad:

I have never shopped at walmart, target, or home depot. If you think walmart isn't forcing employees to work there by driving all other businesses out of town...well I dont have time to explain economics to you. The fact that you think what walmart is doing to our economy and our country is beautiful is just astounding. And just because you dont believe that walmart is not allowing their cargo containers to be checked doesn't make it any less true.

And Alejandro cant think of anything to say except to throw out insults and childish name calling because he can't come up with a rational argument do defend his position. "

To Alejandro wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:21 PM:

" How about one of the tape stores has that game where you wear a plastic suit, jump on a trampoline toward an adhesive wall and get stuck. YES! "

DL wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:43 PM:

" If you consider this strip mall to be "blight" then you have no idea what the word means. This section of 12th is going through a transition but this is still a prime location. The retail development will eventually push across the street. A town that isn't growing is a town that is dying. Remember all of those dozens of stores restaurants and jobs that came along with the new WalMart and Target anchors? I am glad that all of you armchair urban planners were not in charge the past few years. Your views about what this town would be like without the new development is pure speculation and probably dead wrong. "

to dose wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:15 PM:

" Please prove to me that Walmart is preventing the Customs Department from searching incoming containers. I find that simply impossible to believe, and it is obviously another one of your unsupported opinions. Anyone who has ever delt with customs knows you don't have any choice in what they stop and search. I'm sure you believe they have such special political powers but reality is reality. I shop at Walmart, Target, and Home Depot. I can shop anywhere I want and I don't like wasting my money. These are a few of the stores that actually fight to keep prices low, we can't all afford to waste our money going to Whole Foods. As for slave workers, I don't see anyone being chained and whipped over there. Maybe if you actually went there you might learn something. "

Proud Dad wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:03 AM:

" To Dose: I don't need you to explain economics to me, the strong survive, to put it in very blunt terms. It looks like you are taking advantage of capitalism and shopping elsewhere.

In regards to the cargo container inspections, why would Wal-Mart want to take the chance of receiving something contraband or take responsibility of bringing a dirty bomb in...it just doesn't make sense that they would prevent or have the clout over Homeland Security to inspect the cargo containers. The amount of cargo containers for all companies that are inspected are low due to the large amount that come through our ports on a daily basis.

I shop at Wal-Mart and Target about once a month, otherwise I am shopping at the local stores receiving fair pricing and better service due to the competition. It is a beautiful thing that I have the freedom to shop anywhere I want to due to capitalism. "

I shop around wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:54 AM:

" One of the things I take advantage of while living in a small town like hanford, is shopping at different places for various deals. I love the dollar stores, cost less and yes I am forced to deal with Walmart. I tried to buy American only products but I found myself having to spend way too much or couldn't find items at all. Not being a native Hanford resident, I often wonder why people would choose to buy things out of town or why the school districts choose out of town vendors, photographers, etc, and the reason is that many things in town are more expensive then out of town, either way seems like MANY families are having to resort to different and creative ways just to save cash. "

Good Idea wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:19 AM:

" John's Incredible Pizza! Now that's a good idea! "

Blue Falcon wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:44 AM:

" Ok... maybe I missed something here. But, where are the Asian "noodle", and printer cartridge stores located at? I've never heard of either of these places. If they are blaming Wal Mart of their misfortunes, they are only using them as a "scape goat". There is not a high demand in Hanford or Kings County for a printer cartridge replacement store; nor is their major demand for "dried noodles"; Lemoore has that covered. Both businesses should only blame themselves... location, advertisement, clients or poor management can all be blamed for their loss of income, not just Wal Mart.

Fact of the matter is no business should "take up shop" based only on a major business being in the same shopping center or location... to many "What If's" come to mind. A business owner first should establish a product that is profitable before opening up business... personally I've never bought "dried noodles" (sorry).

Now, is Wal Mart to blame for some decline in profits for some businesses? Sure it is. And it's a shame that some businesses suffered a decline in profits because Wal Mart "expanded"... curious, how many shop at the new Wal-Mart? "

Blue Falcon wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Now, as far as a store to take up the "Old Wal Mart" building space... how about a "Best Buy"?

But, the last kind of store that needs to take up ownership there is a furniture store... lord knows we have enough of those, haha. "

A plug for bowling wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:57 AM:

" I have to say that in the last few years, my kids have really gotten into bowling at the K.C. Bowl. When I was a kid growing up in Hanford, that place was a dump. It was stinky and not a place for kids-teens. It was always booked with leagues. Now, it is a very clean place. It is very cheap. It is a lot of fun. The food is decent (for a bowling alley). It seems there are always a few lanes open and we have been seeing more families enjoy it. Congrats to the owners for keeping a viable family activity going for all these years.
As for the old Wal-Mart building and area... Whatever happened to the roller skating rink that the owners/investors of the Sequoia Inn were going to put in on that corner (Mall Dr. and 12th)? "

Facts wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:58 AM:

" Here are a few missed facts that were posted.

1. Walmart did own the building, and they sold it. The city council did not do a lick of research in regards to approving the new Walmart.

2. Walmart is not a Republican run entity. Hilary Clinton once worked at Walmart. She was not a greeter, but a member of the board of directors.

3. I am anti-Walmart, but it is hard to beat their prices. I recenly moved to Atascadero, and I priced a few items and wow the price difference is very high. Walmart butter is $2:00 a lb. Albertson's is over $4.00 a lb. "

Blue Falcon wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:03 AM:

" In response to dose...

Ok... I have a few relatives that work at Wal Mart... they have all been working for the company for over 10 years. They all are hard working, experienced employees. They have proved themselves to be solid employees of Wal Mart. Each of them is paid greater than $15 an hour; they have medical, dental and vision benefits. They all are invested in "profit sharing" and "401k". Plus they all own stock in the company as well. Oh... and none of them are in "management" positions, they are all just regular workers who have been with Wal Mart for many years.

As far as the cargo searching part... ah... last time I check, not every container that comes into America is search regardless of whom or what company it is going to.

As far as stuff made in China... I guess you are the soul individual in America that buys all your stuff from American made products. Good for you, keep it up! But I'm also glad that my cheap plastic Wal Mart TV that I've had for 5 years is still working... don't know what I'd do without it. lol. "

Blue Falcon wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:11 AM:

" In response to dose...

Being in the Military, and active duty Army at one time, I happened to be stationed back in the Mid West... land of "Small Town America". One thing that I noticed with these small towns other then being 10,000 or less in size of population was each of them had a Wal Mart... plus many small mom and pop stores that did (doing) very well... Wal Mart killing the American... nope not there.

So now... with all this said and done when are we going to stop blaming Wal Mart... for eveyone's problems... "

why not this wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:22 AM:

" My husband and I have been saying for years that this town could use a Dave & Busters. I think the only closest one around is in Fresno although I could be wrong but I think this is a great place to bring the family, hang with friends regardless of age, just a thought. "

Deb wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:28 PM:

" It's not so much the point that Wal-Mart doesn't own the old Wal-Mart building (they dumped it, errr, sold it knowing they'd be moving and not have to be responsible) it's the fact that our council didn't make them responsible. The Council/Planning Commission could have made them responsible, but they didn't even with the knowledge that Wal-mart is known for leaving behemoth empty buildings across America and contributing to blight. But, alas, our Council knows better... "

to why not this wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:59 PM:

" Nope, there isn't a Dave and Buster's in the area. Believe me, I'd know. I love that place! We could certainly use it. Adventure Park in Hanford is horrible! There definitely is a need for an amusement, entertainment type business. Now if we can only find some investors to bring one here. "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:34 PM:

" Deb: Walmart didn't dump the building, they sold it for market value. Property owners are free to do that in America.

How should the council make then "responsible?" Once they sell their building it is the responsibility of the new owner to maintain it. Is Walmart somehow bound for life to maintain their buildings once they sell?

The very nature of the the fact that the building was marketed and sold indicates there is a market for large empty buildings and that Walmart doesn't dump their buildings on helpless small towns. "

ex-hanfordite wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:56 PM:

" What about a really nice bookstore with a coffee bar and seating where kids and family could hang out and ...get this...READ.....oh right...nobody reads anymore. "

local wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:58 PM:

" I think the old Walmart location could have potential but I think Food Co. is an eye sore to the big time ancker stores that might want to move there. There's always garbage all over the parking area, the carts are dirty. The store could be cleaner. The area is better off with a market like Von's. The whole plaza is in need for a remodel. "

Joe Friday wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:23 PM:

" Facts wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:58 PM:

" Walmart is not a Republican run entity. Hilary Clinton once worked at Walmart. She was not a greeter, but a member of the board of directors."

Here are a few other "facts". Walmart had Hillary on the Board because her husband Bill was the Governor of Arkansas. Another little known fact is Hilary used to be a Republican, and was in fact a "Goldwater Girl" !

Walmart (through individual family members and its foundation) gives political donations to both political parties but the majority of their money goes to the GOP. The Walton family is well known to be strong source of money for far right causes across this nation.

Helen Walton before her death gave thousands of dollars to local Congressman Devin Nunes, just check out his financial filings with the FPPC. "

What a joke wrote on Aug 12, 2008 6:05 PM:

" I wont go as far as some people to criticize these businesses, thats like kicking somone when they are down, sure I can do something a 1000 times better then those poor owners now that I see the whole picture and I am sure these businesses didn't start so they can fail.

I too have family members working at Walmart and I am not going to spout off like some commercial promoting Walmart because they are getting a decent pay or benefits, but I do recall Walmart does have a reputation for mistreating their customers so I don't see why some people would seem so surprised that many people would see Walmart as being shady but I guess some people feel the need to protect Walmart because they throw them a bone here and there.

1 person here stated that they saw a small town get a Walmart and it worked well for them, well I have seen more then 1 town suffer, and more then 1 town become totally dependent on Walmart because that is the only thing left in town that people can afford because all the other stores had to raise prices or shut down "

Response to Carl wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:01 PM:

" Part 1: You said:" Deb: Walmart didn't dump the building, they sold it for market value. Property owners are free to do that in America." Carl, you are exactly right, assuming it sold to a true 3rd party at true market value. Now, it just seems strange, that a company would buy, then sell 6 months later to another company and then it sits still with no activity for several years. Walmart is a private company and doesn't have to sell at Market Value. I tend to assume one way and you the other. More information on the buyers and sellers can be found by googling SafecoCapital and Netco Investments.

I tend to also believe that big business interprets the rules on their behalf for their own benefit. But, that's me. "

Response to Carl wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:09 PM:

" Part 1: You said:How should the council make then "responsible?" Once they sell their building it is the responsibility of the new owner to maintain it. Is Walmart somehow bound for life to maintain their buildings once they sell? They began, what is coincidentally called an entitlement process when they first filed plans. Throughout the entire process the City could have required various options to occur in order for the mass of an empty building to not occur. Those conditions are then passed on to future buyers.

And, in 2004, there were tons of stores sitting empty. Walmart even has it's own real estate company. If you google walmart abandoned buidlings, there are tons of pages where one can read about the impact of those empty buildings upon communities.

Companies, which can impact communities to such great degrees - like unuseable empty building space do have responsibilities. They, even on their own website recognize the life of a building to be 7-10 years. Then they supersize.

In principal, I agree with most said Carl, but Wal-mart is not known for playing nice nor quite honestly until they are called to task...usually by the courts. "

Deb wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:25 PM:

" Part 3:
Anytime a business can have a detrimental impact upon a community, there should be safeguards in place.

Every other word out of Mr. Jacques mouth concerning the Wal-Mart building was positive - there'd not be a problem, the building has been sold, the building will be redeveloped and on and on. Now, though, more than a year after Redwood's purchase of the building, he's admitting it's hard. Mr. Jacques is either a person who is an eternal optimist until faced squarely with the facts or he didn't do his research adequately. Historically the facts were there. Hanford is no different than most other communities - wait... we are poorer - much poorer than most other communities.

It just seems to me, someone who watched it closely transpire, that the wool was pulled over some stupid eyes or those wise eyes were turned in the other direction. When one sees the waste, does it make one feel good? No - I feel bad for those who have lost jobs or businesses. It hasn't added to the community. Not one iota. "

Devils Advocate wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:50 AM:

" If I owned a Mom-&-Pop store here in Hanford, and decided to sell the building so I could expand my business in another location, would it be my responsibility to find a tenant for the newer owner of my previous business? Would it be the responsibility of the City Council to create a business from nothing or force another business to relocate to the empty "anchor" location? People just don't understand that government can really only LIMIT business activities or INCENTIVISE through some type of subsidy. What has happened here is not bad City planning, nor is it bad economic development - at worst it is poor property management but more likely just a symptom of the current real estate market. I'll say it again - if you want some type of business in Hanford, stop griping about the Council, put together a business plan, and start your own business. "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:44 AM:

" Deb: What you are saying about the Walmart sale really doesn't make sense. They did sell it at market value. What justification is there for doing anything less? They sold it to a developer who buys old buildings and attempts to rent them to junior tenants. Clearly they are having trouble in this environment doing that.

Sometimes Walmart sells the building, sometimes they knock it down and sell the land if they thing a competitor might go into their old building.

As far a controlling the use of the old building through the "entitlement process" I have never seen that. Are you telling me that you think the city has some kind of ability to tell a private property owner what to do with their property in exchange for approving a new building? I don't think it works that way.

You don't like Walmart. I get that, but I think you are being unreasonable in your expectations of them with respect to a building they do no own anymore. "

Blue Falcon wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:19 AM:

" In response to "what a Joke"

I can read between the lines... and know that your response was a little directly toward me. I was not kicking someone when they were down, I was pointing out the obvious. Look at the situation this way...How long was the "Super Center" in legal matters with the city even before they broke ground? With all the money Wal Mart has, anyone should know there only going to have the best lawyers to take matters to court with. With that said, once this started to become a legal matter, those suffering possible backlash if Wal Mart moved (won in court) should have started to look for a new and better location to profit their business... not sit and wait to see what happened, by that time it was too late. Duh!

A problem in today's major businesses like Wal Mart is "quality" customer service. I never said that Wal Mart treated their customers well, nor did I say they treated all their employees well either; but, like with most businesses, if you work hard, you'll be rewarded. Quality customer service comes with proper training and the "care" to want to help people. "

Best Buy Concern wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:33 AM:

" I have a family member who owns property on 12th avenue that has yet been developed. Best Buy was looking at the location, however, was told by the city that they could not move to this location because the store was not big enough to sell furniture. I am not sure of the square footage criteria exactly but a store must be of a certain size and only a limited space of that can be devoted to sell furniture. Best Buy even went to the point to only sell TV stands and of those TV stands nothing would be wood. The city still denied them because the size of store they proposed did not meet the criteria. More tax dollars lost to Tulare County. I understand the cities concern about the downtown area, however, this is a little obsurd. "

Deb wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:15 PM:

" Carl - if you're at all interested, google city commercial entitlement process and you'll find many a city does control what happens before, during and after a development. Walmart is not just opening a store, it's creating a development which encompasses land and zoning areas, It owns swatches of land and then once they open they develop other areas of land whether it be to sell off parcels or to lease out pads. All this has greater impact than say, the newest IHOP opening on the corner of a shopping center already in existance. Cenntenial Plaza came about by Walmart, Cenntenial Plaza will evolve through the loss of Walmart and during the meantime Hanford suffers.

And, to be clear... I never said I don't care for WalMart as a discount store. I disagree with how they can affect a community when they want to expand. They knew... and they don't care how it impacts a community, no matter how many $500 checks they give the SPCA or other non-profits. It's just the way they do business. And, through that end, they don't get my disposable spending dollar. I'd rather do business with more responsible companies. "

Deb wrote on Aug 13, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Carl, you're right , Wal-Mart no longer owns the building, they have no responsibility at all. No one can hold them accountable. The current owner wants to make money at some point, so hopefully rather than just say it's going to redevelop, we as kings co residents will see something come of this. http://www.redwoodre.com/cal-centennial.html

It's a wise lesson to remember, when, 10 years from now they want to expand to a Super, Super center. (tongue in cheek).

But, it's clear there are problems at that Corner of the City. It's fairly safe to say all the smaller businesses will probably pull out at some point unless the large building is redeveloped in some shape, manner or form.

There's only so much "retail" a community with such a high poverty rate can sustain without enticing more jobs through further industrial development. I've not a clear view of how the City/County plans to accomplish this. It just won't happen with more retail or fast food. Industry has to happen for the area to continue to grow.

For now, we're just going to have to read stories about failures... "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:49 PM:

" dose'rita - it is so amazing someone with so little intelligence would try and blame the Republican Party for such a successful business story. How lame can you get. I think your entire problem with Wal~mart, is they don't stock weed on every aisle for your convenience. You have the nerve to talk about Wal~mart and their containers coming into this country. You the weed smuggling kingpin of whereever you live now, who use to smuggle pounds of weed through Hanford. Usually we don't accept the word of admitted criminals who participated in felony crimes to earn their living.
What would be your solution turn the vacant Wally World into a great big Head Shop?
You keep making the same remarks over and over again, blaming Republicans for everything from the arsenic in the water to the masacre at Muscle Slough! You are getting very, very boring dose, to say the least.
I've suggested utilitzing the building for government uses but no one seems to agree with that idea. It would make an excellent building to place cubicles into, but a private business couldn't fill it, a public one could. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 13, 2008 1:50 PM:

" Blue Falcon it is nice to see you weighing in on the conversations again. Always value your opinion on things. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:02 PM:

" In Bentonville Wal~mart charges companies like Proctor and Gamble, Dean Foods, Nabicso to name a few a lot of money to have an office on their property. The soul purpose of these offices is so the vendors can run around and stamp out small fires with Wal~mart before they become big fires. It is a total waste of time and adds to the cost of doing business with the Corporate Giant. Many smaller companies can't afford to do this so they never grow their business with Wal~mart. Another not so well known thing is Wal~mart demands a minimum 90 day credit line when all other retailers get 30 days maximum. So looking at it from a vendors point of view it is sometimes not worth the hassle to deal with them. But the large corporations based on the large volume here and overseas cannot afford not to deal with them. Wal~mart knows this and uses it to it's advantage. Like I stated before those low low prices are attained by breaking the backs of their vendors and employees to attain them. Customer Service/Satisfaction doesn't even come into play. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 13, 2008 3:45 PM:

" To: Deb wrote on Aug 13, 2008 2:34 PM:
You have just cracked the nut I've been pounding on for months. This area needs industrial businesses in the Industrial Park to maintain a constant growth in this community. How many dress shops, stores containing used items, furniture stores and gadget shops can this community support?
If it weren't for the influx of prisons surrounding us, the military base and a few industrial pockets this place would have dried up a long time ago. We have an excellent location with rail available and it isn't even being put out there for big business to realize it's here.
Paynter doesn't ever bring anyone to look at the Inudstrial Park. Wouldn't you think Wal~mart or Rite Aide, Walgreens or someone would be interested in a warehouse/manufacturing location in the Central Valley? A Distribution Center to cover Bakersfield North, East and West. What better location for it. You have 198 to 99 and 198 to I-5 we are in the center of the hub area for drop and hook to take place. Why doesn't the City and County band together and formulate growth. "

JOJO wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:07 PM:

" I think the old WalMart building should be turned in to an indoor "monday sale" and a Super Taqueria!! The building could also provide free health care where the McDonalds used to be and also a WIC Kiosk. Just a thought!! "

Walmart sale wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:22 PM:

" After the building was sold, the buyer that had it was scared off to lease it to anyone because of the HANFORD NOW (NO ON WALMART) lawsuit. That is the sole reason no one would touch it. Let's blame the ones responsible...the ones who filed the lawsuit. It's not a guarantee that someone would be in there now but at least we'd have some interest. No one wants to lease a building that is subject to that. Hanford NOW is the responsible party. I say make them purchase the building and have them try to lease it out since they started the mess OR pay me back my tax dollars that went to the baseless lawsuit. "

deb wrote on Aug 14, 2008 12:01 AM:

" Personally, I feel it would be better economically and environmentally to move in the direction of high tech. Campuses for high tech companies - brings a wide range of economic levels - it fills jobs for the least trained to the most trained and thus salary levels being just as varied. Kings county needs that. But, for it to occur the infrastructure needs to be there and currently it's not. For a distribution center - I believe the minimum size for a WM DC is 143 acres - as most DC facilities are over 1 million square feet.

I know that there are people who are devoted to the development in Hanford, but not all parties who "should be", are as committed as those, say at EDC. They all act like competitors rather than those who need to be working together. Facing facts is also an issue. We've been reading about Kings Counties rosy economic outlook for way too long. It's not rosy, nothing about the economics of Kings county is rosy nor will it be until there's growth in the non retail sector.. "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:50 AM:

" Deb: Well said.

A Walmart DC is not in the cards, Porterville already beat us too it. Same answer for Best Buy, Dinuba got them.

I'm sure Hanford is out there bidding for the same companies everyone else is. I don't know why there is not much interest in Hanford

I believe small businesses are the way of the future. As such, the city should work on a park to facilitate this, They currently do not have anything like that. Take all that land along east Lacey near the old Pancake House and turn it into a small business park for small shops and office-warehouse buildings. Tulare and Visalia have a lot of these areas and we are lacking them. Other than a few lots here and there along the tracks there are n parks close to town to build small shops. For that matter, there are no office parcels left in the city. "

Deb wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:30 AM:

" To Walmart Sale: NOW wanted the city to act more responsible. The Cities coffers are being reduced via the decrease in property taxes as a direct result of WalMart moving and not being held responsbile. WalMart moved to expand, of course, but their move to their specific location was spurred by tax incentives - it's called the Enterprise Zone -Hiring Tax Credits - Companies can earn $31,574 or more in State tax credits for each qualified employee hired.
Sales and Use Tax Credit - Companies may receive a sales tax and use tax credit for manufacturing or processing machinery, data processing and communications equipment and motion picture manufacturing equipment central to production and post production, to be used in the Zone. Corporations can claim credit on the first $20,000,000 per year.
Business Expense Deduction - Up front expensing of certain depreciable property.
Net Operating Loss Carryover - Up to 100% of the NOL may be carried forward for 15 years.
Net Interest Deduction - Lenders to Zone business may receive a new interest deduction.
Unused tax credits -Can be applied to future tax years. "

Deb wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:37 AM:

" Continued To Walmart Sale: WalMart could not receive these same tax benefits in Centennial Plaza if they had simply expanded.

Instead, NOW failed and yes, cost the taxpayers money via the lawsuit. But, in all reality, via the City acting in the manner it did (lawsuit and all) has cost the City and thus the taxpayer a whole lot more. The City could have had the cost of the overpass subsidized by the largest culprit of the increase in traffic. The City could have increased the impact fees for the largest user, but no. The City rather said, what can we do for you and then they did it. THAT is what is costing the taxpayer money. There's a whole lot more to it, but then, why not just read the lawsuit. Why not read the public record from the hearings. To spout off and simply say some organization (which consisted of many individuals - not just grocery store owners as the rumor stands) is the reason, simply portrays ignorance. "

Deb wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:47 AM:

" Finally, To Walmart Sale: Just what makes Hanford so sensational that it would attract and fill that type of building which is KNOWN throughout the world to be mostly unfillable If it were going to happen, it would have happened when the economics of a viable center were evident. Now as the remaining tenants look to other locations (not speaking to foods co or pep boys so much as the smaller shops) the viability becomes even more dismal.

So, go ahead, blame NOW, blame whomever, but that doesn't fix it. Maybe a call center - yea... just like Lemoore when SaveMart left their initial location, see what happened to that location. Now, that's a prime example of filling an empty location.

Redwoods Real Estate Holdings should be working with EDC, the City of Hanford and not just Dick Jacques, heck, maybe Pam over at Main Street Hanford has an idea or the Chamber of Commerce. Everyone should be weighing in on this as it affects the overall health of a community. "

Con Carne wrote on Aug 14, 2008 12:05 PM:

" Wal-Mart blah, blah, blah. City Council blah, blah, blah. I think the entire center should be vacated and the bulldozed. The lot should then become either Costco or Sam's Club. Either of those two would be a welcome addition to the Hanford retail scene. What do you all think? "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 14, 2008 12:44 PM:

" To Deb, I believe that amount of space could be available out in the Industrial Park if situated correctly. There is a lot of land out in that area on both sides of the reailroad tracks. Drive out there and take a look sometime.

I believe the minimum size for a WM DC is 143 acres - as most DC facilities are over 1 million square feet. "

Angie wrote on Aug 14, 2008 1:32 PM:

" As a family on a tight budget- we love Walmart. Well, except my husband. He can't stand how crowded it is. But if Save Mart can give me a better deal I would LOVE to go there. Walmart has good sized cereal boxes for 2.50, decent bread for 1.99 and great deals on juice, puddings and other stuff my kids love. You just can't beat it. And as for buying American, well, let's just say I'd rather save my money.
I like the roller skating rink idea. "

well i think wrote on Aug 14, 2008 1:52 PM:

" if my records in my brain is right the Asian Store went in when walmart left??? I am almost postitive Anyways proud dad are you sayig that the Asian store should locate around china alley??? That is sterotyping in my opinion. I am a filipina and I am proud but I do not see the Asia store doing better if it was downtown in the boarded up area. Filipino food is very hard to cook i agree but there are so many different ways to prepare. They have all the mixes that you need to make basic stuff. it is a no brainer. The cookbooks are hard to read with all the metric measurements. Receipes are passed from generation to generation as like eveyone else you just have to learn "

dose wrote on Aug 14, 2008 4:11 PM:

" Someone on here asked what does this story have to do with republican economic policy. Where here you go.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/14/174259/326/464/568033

http://www.aflcio.org/issues/politics/mccain.cfm?source=bads_bads_mccain

http://labor2008.typepad.com/wi/2008/08/john-mccain-opp.html

Why does exxonjon mcsame oppose buying American made products. "

Hmmmmmm wrote on Aug 14, 2008 7:26 PM:

" Welcome back "Blue Falcon" good to see some real contribution to this board again. Although I did get a laugh about the "dried noodles". Come on you have kids and you've been to Iraq, have you never honestly bought Ramon Noodles? As to "Proud Dad" you must know nothing of cooking as home cooked Asian dishes are very simple to make lots of veggies and a few dried noodles can make very good meals. But I for one don't go to a specialty store to get my dried noodles as I can find most of the ones I use at a regular grocery store. I have also tried "Cartridge World", not impressed, my end result after days of trying leaking cartridges was a new printer and a promise to myself that cheap ink was no longer an option. Maybe all the WalMart haters would like to jump back 35 years ago when if you wanted to do any real shopping you drove to Fresno or Visalia. Middle income families could not afford to shop "downtown Hanford" or Lemoore for that matter. WalMart really needs to step up on customer service. "

Hmmmmmm Cont wrote on Aug 14, 2008 7:38 PM:

" Since moving into the new store the services there is lacking a great deal. Lines are long while many registers sit unused. With all the money the store has to be making they need to put a few more people to work and open up more lanes. For those of us who are middle income to lower income you can't beat the prices on many of the food items. Other stores in town are selling some of the same items for double the price. Then again if you want good fresh meats or produce WalMart is not the place to go. You still have to shop around. As for those that complain about the way WalMart treat their employees, I would have to say would you rather have all these folks on Welfare??? If we took all the WalMart employees across the US and put them on Welfare then you would be griping too. WalMart doesn't treat their employees any worse then most any other retail store in town. If you think so quite obviously you have never worked at Mervyn's, Sears, Penney's etc. etc. etc. "

Joe Friday wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:03 PM:

" Walmart sale wrote on Aug 14, 2008 12:22 AM:

" After the building was sold, the buyer that had it was scared off to lease it to anyone because of the HANFORD NOW (NO ON WALMART) lawsuit."

One of the main points in the lawsuit was that there was no tenant for the building and as such there would be urban blight. Why would anyone be afraid of correcting one of the causes of action in the lawsuit? Isn't a tenant for that building what Hanford NOW was asking for before Walmart left?

Could you explain this as your accusations would seem to be based on nothing but your personal animosity. Quit blaming those who pointed out that a blighted building would be a problem years ago. Clearly events have shown that Hanford NOW was correct in their prediction as to what would happen. Too bad the city council would not listen to them. "

Not a Best Buy wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:09 PM:

" "Best Buy was not big enough to sell furniture". What the heck? Ouch! That one really hurts. I have been hoping for an electronics store here in Hanford about as much as some people are lobbying for an In and Out. Why? Why? Why? "

Joe Friday wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 14, 2008 12:50 PM:
"Other than a few lots here and there along the tracks there are n parks close to town to build small shops. For that matter, there are no office parcels left in the city. "

Carl I agree with you that small business start-ups are needed to get the local economy moving in the right direction. What may not be apparent just by looking at a zoning map for Hanford is that office type uses are permitted in other types of zoning too. For instance Community Commercial or on a smaller scale office residential which allows the conversion of homes to an office use. Examples of this can be found just north of the downtown area in businesses such as Zumwalt-Hansen or the Dias Law offices.

I believe the area just behind the old Longs Drug store along 198 would be a good candidate for offices too. You make a good point about E. Lacey, it needs some redevelopment. With proper infrastructure such as water and sewer in place the area would serve well as a small business industrial park and commercial center. "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:59 AM:

" Deb: You stated "The Cities coffers are being reduced via the decrease in property taxes as a direct result of WalMart moving and not being held responsbile."

The county should have enjoyed an increase in property taxes due to the construction of the new Superwalmart while still getting taxes on the old building and the city should be benefiting from increased sales tax revenues on the larger Superwalmart store. How can you say the city and county for that matter do not benefit? "

Sid wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:26 AM:

" Comrade dose,

Using a far left website for reference such as the "daily kos" does not a point make...but is propaganda to be spread.

Besides, McCain may have more oil company contributions than Obama, but how do you explain the $1.5 million Obama DID ACCEPT from oil companies if they are so "evil"? "

Deb wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:39 AM:

" Walmart does have it's place in a community. Their business model is successful but one can't expect every business to follow their model. One has to give up something for the low prices. Customer service is going to be the first thing you give up in a place such as Wal-Mart. People wanting something for virtually nothing - they're going to have to continue whinning or go somewhere else. Long lines, crowded isles, inferior products - that's the price paid and who is better suited to pay that? Those who have time on their hands and little money. Wal-Mart has always targeted that demographic. Kings Co is FULL of their targeted demographic.

I'll pay a little more and in most cases go without so I don't have to encounter no customer service, crowds and disorganization. That's me and I like having choices.

But - big business has greater responsibilities to a community it builds its riches from. It's as simple as that - and community members have a responsibility to speakup when history rears it's ugly head. NOW and it's members did just that. "

dose wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:54 PM:

" Sid:

Did you even read the article before you condemned it, because it contains links to other sources. And Obama hasn't accepted a single dollar from oil companies, I would like you to provide a non rightwing source for where you got that information. "

Deb wrote on Aug 15, 2008 1:37 PM:

" To Carl: The benefit is debatable. We can only speculate. I'd submit that property taxes were reduced over at Centennial Plaza - as a property owner I'd certainly be getting my adjacent property re-assessed and the selling price each time on old WM building is probably less as well. There's the loss of tax dollars on all those business which have closed as a result. Did they all re-open elsewhere?

Property Taxes -those are reduced because the sales tax credit WM enjoys in it's new diggs and reduces the basis of the property. Lower property taxes flowing to city and county on all the new fixtures, etc. Check references to the enterprise zone in previous post.

Not sure if taxable goods portion of new store is much larger than the original location, so can't say sales taxes have increased. Groceries aren't taxable.

Wal-Mart would have built where they were going to go without the entitlements they received from the City/County. They've done it elsewhere, Instead, they said - heck we'll just go to Lemoore... and the city buckled. Walmart played a game and won. The taxpayer lost. "

Deb wrote on Aug 15, 2008 1:49 PM:

" My interpretation of the republican economic policy as posted was a prime example of WM chasing after tax incentives. The enterprise zone is based upon supply side economics - the trickle down theory, which the GOP sides with. While, I generally agree with the enterprise zone and what it's done in CA and other urban/rural areas, this is an example of WM so hungry for the tax benefits they couldn't/wouldn't look at other non enterprise zone alternatives. "

Sid wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:13 PM:

" Comrade dose,

Place "Obama Oil Company Contributions" into your search engine and see how many articles come up...

They are from and/or reference NPR, Hillary Clinton, the LA Times, etc., Not your usual right wing sources there are they?

They also point out, if you read them, that "oil company contributions" take on many forms PLUS are given to ALL CANDIDATES, including democrats, including Obama, etc.

You just choose to do the shallow parroting of shallow propagandists (daily kos) to target your political antagonists with easy, nonsensicle "issues"....

Just like your earlier blog entry was:

"dose wrote on Aug 10, 2008 4:35 PM:

" Another success story of republican economic policy. "

The abandonment of one Wal-Mart Building for another, larger one by Wal-Mart is a reflection of republican economic policy"? Kind of a stretch isn't it?

Suggest you keep local economics exercised by local issues and the folks involved unencombered by your national or international politics. "

WATCHDOG FRED BITES BACK wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:51 PM:

" Hmmmmmm Cont wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:38 PM:

" Since moving into the new store the services there is lacking a great deal. Lines are long while many registers sit unused.

Ahhhhhhhh! you have figured it out. One of Wal~marts ploys is to open fully staffed at all registers and give excellent customer service the first month of operations. Then in the leveling off period a cut in hours is made readjustments in people on the aisles is cut back and the normal operational plan takes effect. This is how they keep their stores profitable beyond belief. They shove more on to fewer staff and make more money doing it. You will also start to notice the prices creeping up as well as soon as they target the competition and make adjustments to seem cheaper while raising the price on the not so obvious items. It's kind of like when you bring your car to express lube and you notice busy or not it always takes 30 minutes to an hour to get your vehicle done. That's time you are exposed to their tempting offers and additional purchases, "

cc wrote on Aug 15, 2008 4:37 PM:

" Dose - he needs to leave the US and spout his thoughts in a country (Russia or China) and see what happens. It sounds like he wants the government and everyone else to give him what he wants FREE!!!!! "

dose wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:25 PM:

" Sid:

I don't know if you realize this but walmart is doing the same thing in just about every town in the country thats what makes it a national policy and not just a local one. And the reason why walmart is able to do this is because of republican economic policies. freddie actually agrees with me apparently but I doubt he wouod ever admit it. "

Proud Dad wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:36 PM:

" To Well I think: No offense was intended, I was throwing an idea out there. The owner admits he is barely surviving. Do you open a surfboard store in Kansas? You need to be careful if you are going to open a store to make sure the location /demographics/cost of rent support it.

To the Wal-Mart haters: In regards to Wal-Mart and other big box stores, if I want to shop there I will. If I want to go to Save-Mart I will. That is the beautiful thing about America. If the service is below your expectations, shop somewhere else then, but don’t try to keep a store from opening and preventing other citizens from enjoying the freedom where to shop. I also disagree with the strict restrictions on certain companies not being able to sell furniture here in Hanford. If there are local shops closing, then they aren’t providing what the customers wanted. If I want the government dictating where I shop, worship, take my kids to school, etc. Then I would move to China and learn how to make decent Chinese dishes. "

Sid wrote on Aug 16, 2008 9:10 AM:

" dose,

No mention by you if you saw Obama's oil company contributions in your last blog...

How come?

Explain your threory in detail just HOW Wal-Mart buying and abandoning buildings as it did locally and perhaps nation-wide is a REPUBLICAN economic policy.

Recall democrats have had a majority in Congress for nearly 2 years plus Wal-Mart made major strides in growth during the Clinton two terms...

Or Comrade, could it just be capitalism? "

dose wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:06 AM:

" To Sid:

I have explained it, the fact that you don't get it is not something I can control. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 16, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Proud Dad - you need to thank a teacher if you could read this and if you read it in english you need to thank a veteran.
Believe it or not they both played a bigger part in your education and freedoms than you give them credit for. "

Market rules wrote on Aug 16, 2008 1:28 PM:

" Proud Dad wrote on Aug 16, 2008 12:36 AM

" If there are local shops closing, then they aren’t providing what the customers wanted. If I want the government dictating where I shop, worship, take my kids to school, etc. Then I would move to China."

Yeah Proud Dad let's just get rid of all those property restrictions, after all if you own property shouldn't you be able to do what you want with it?
Want to open liquor store net to a High School why not if I own the property. How about 7 big box stores all within a 1/2 mile of each other, if I own the property why should the government be allowed tell me no?

You say the city wants to plan development and give people options so they can shop close to home and improve air quality? They should just forget about it after all it is the rights of the individual to do what they want when they want that should reign supreme! Wouldn't you agree? We don't need no stinking pinko's telling us what to do! "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 16, 2008 9:40 PM:

" Market Rules: There are already civic controls on what an owner can do with their property. It is called zoning, planning commission and city council. Once a project meets the zoning and has approval of the PC and CC then "yes" people should be allowed to do what they want with their property. If they don't build the right thing, they will take a financial beating. Seems the big boxes are putting forward something shoppers want judging by the crowds. Oh yeah, I forgot the last area of approval - the obligatory lawsuit by the Hanford malcontents. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 17, 2008 9:28 AM:

" Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 16, 2008 11:40 PM
Interesting comments Carl, I just wonder how many times you or a relative have brought a lawsuit yourself? Care to comment? "

Closet malcontent wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:09 AM:

" Carl, I find your posts here very insightful. So much so that you seem to be an insider. Are you in the business of consulting to the city? or developers? or maybe both? Malcontents are necessary Carl, they speak for the silent majority of those of us that do not feel comfortable with taking on developments that were not envisioned in Hanford's and/or Kings Co.'s current General Plan. The current practice of circuventing proper/State mandated environmental review and lack of public review and input seems to be the reason those malcontents become vocal. If the proper review procedures were followed by our city and county, it seems most of the litigation brought against both city and county could have been avoided. Getting back to the subject at hand, Mr. Jacques made a public statement at one of the public hearings for Wal-mart that the property would be filled very soon after the Wal-mart moved. That was one of the reasons the city council/planning commissioners stated they would vote for the new Wal-mart store. Now there is urban blight, spray paint tagging, water pipes in the building have broken and flooded the store. No oversight, no one cares. "

Look around wrote on Aug 17, 2008 3:37 PM:

" Right on target to "bored".

Ice-scating or roller scating,
it's perfect for our kids. "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 17, 2008 4:05 PM:

" Closet Malcontent:

You speak for the "Silent majority" ??

I think you mean "vocal minority."

The silent majority is over there shopping at the big box stores as we type. "

DL wrote on Aug 17, 2008 9:27 PM:

" Watchdog Fred: You are increasingly becoming the most vocal big government liberal in Hanford. You want more regulations over private business and development, but you are against more jail space to house local criminals. And you are obiously pro labor (at least when it comes to your friends.) Not that there is anything wrong with being a liberal (I know some very nice people that are). I just kind of pegged you differently. "

closet malcontent wrote on Aug 17, 2008 9:41 PM:

" Carl, what ever gave you the impression I don't shop big box. I do, responsible companies. Costco, Winco, Food 4 Less, etc. Those companies plan their introduction to communities by seeing how they can enhance shopping. So, today, I got in my car, drove to a responsible company to spend my dollars. You see Carl, being a consumer, I can make the choice of where I spend my money. There's not enough in this town to go around to keep every business in business so only the strong will survive. My money is spent on products that will make the company strong. That's called flexing your muscle. WIth regard to the other comments I made in my prior post, your failure to address my questions tell me most of that I need to know. If spending money at those big box stores that did not go through appropriate environmental review is/was profitting you, I am still part of the silent majority that would rather not spend my hard earned cash with your projects and all they entail. Those projects have done nothing but tear a good town apart. I hope your money keeps you warm at night. "

WATCHDOG FRED BITES BACK wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:10 AM:

" DL wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:27 PM:

" Watchdog Fred: You are increasingly becoming the most vocal big government liberal in Hanford.

Perhaps if your argument contained some sort of direction or comments. That I am a liberal it would help me to respond. I readily disagree, I am not a liberal, I do not want more government involvement I want less, especially in the decions regarding child abortions at the Health Department in the county of Kings. They authorize and pay doctors in Fresno to perform abortions on minor children. I do not consider that a liberal view. I also believe in a woman's free choice concerning abortion and her body, but I stipulate woman, not a child in her teenage years of life. Teenagers are simply to naive to make such decisions.
Furthermore, if my support for Mickey Stoddard is what you are referring to, he was the best thing that ever happened for and to the Recreation Department in this town. Now he is retired, forced out by his superior. Oh and if being an activist for childrens recreation facilities is wrong. Guilty! "

WATCHDOG FRED BITES BACK wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:16 AM:

" To: DL wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:27 PM:
I would appreciate it, if you didn't try to peg me whatsoever. I am my own person, I fit no molds and I do not conform to pressure from other bloggers. Nor any city official in this township.

I have said for a long time now, the City Council, City Attorney and City Manager are spending too much time socializing and not enough time governing this community. Most decisions if not all that come from across the desks of the City Council are for the benefit of themselves or Bob Dowd or another cronie her in town.

But back on topic, it only stands to reason with the anchor building empty at the location mentioned. Business is going to fall off in this mall area. Furthermore, the businesses there had options I am sure to move to the Target Center long before now. But there are still vacancies in those areas for businesses.

The business minds who operate in the old Wal~mart Center have forgotten the primary concern in regard to business. How many times have you heard the term location? "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:52 AM:

" Closet Malcontent: Wow you strawman as well as Watchdog Fred.

"My projects and all they entail."

Last time I checked my bank account, I don't own any big box projects. If I did, it would be a Dick's Sporting Goods, Bass Pro Shop or a big box $12 buffet.

I'm just a concerned Hanford citizen like you, just on the opposite end of the spectrum. "

Matt G wrote on Aug 23, 2008 12:22 AM:

" Let's not act so quickly to blame big business. I completly understand how Wal-Mart has the reputation of paying their employees low wages and low benefits. However, such companies strive in developing their employees. Those employees are getting a huge learning experience on how businesses are ran properly, more than any local Community College can ever offer.
I think the persons to blame are our inexperienced Council Persons and city leaders. What were they thinking? They have shown they have the inability to make good decisions about our real estate. They allowed Wal-Mart to bully them and persue them thinking Hanford has the ability to become a shopping Mecca is a short period of time. Such developements should have more conderation. Let's us welcome big business, because our local owners have shown the ingornace of running a well runned machine. But also let us recongnized our roots. Beautiful, historical buildings with a small town fibe. Before we should even think of becoming a large market. We should focus on making smart choices for our local business owners. We have allowed to many people to start up thier businesses. Only to foresee thier failures. "

Joe Friday wrote on Aug 24, 2008 10:10 PM:

" Amen Matt G. you "get it". Many of us tried to get the Hanford City Council to see that balancing the size and number of big box stores with locally owned business made the most sense, we were ignored.

Big box retail has a place in a local economy like ours. We are large enough to support some and it brings some economic benefits to working families on a budget. The real failure of our city was in not taking into account just how much of this type of retail we could support without destroying existing businesses. Locally owned business gives far more of each dollar spent back to the community than big box retail. . "

Proud Dad wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:45 PM:

" So you are going to let a small business owner or the government dictate what stores come into town? If the new business made an old business close it's doors, that usually means the old business was not providing the consumer what they wanted, but the consumer was forced to shop there, since there wasn't any other competition to shop at.
The city council/planning dept set a certain amount of land aside for the "big boxes” that are in line with zoning restrictions, etc. They did their job and are letting capitalism take its course and the CITIZENS get to decide where they want to spend their dollar. "




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