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So she thought: Injured and illegal: Is a ticket home the answer?

The headline of the article on the New York Times News Service said it all: "U.S. Hospitals deport seriously ill immigrants." Illegal immigrants, that is. Anytime I hear a story about illegal immigrants in trouble, my ears perk up, because I can actually say I lived and worked in a foreign country as an "undocumented worker" for a period of time, many years ago.

It's an interesting story, but first I'll tell you about the subject of the article, Alberto Jimenez, the 35-year-old Guatemalan native who was living illegally in the U.S. when he ended up in a devastating car accident caused by a drunken-driving Florida resident. The accident required Jimenez be resuscitated, twice, and left him permanently disabled and in need of continuing in-patient medical care and medication.

After being unable to find a nursing facility that would take Jimenez for long-term care, Martin Memorial Hospital of Florida ended up keeping him on one of their wards -- for several years -- at an estimated cost of $1.5 million. He was eventually "forcibly returned" to his home country of Guatemala, not by the agents of the INS, but by the hospital itself, who took their case regarding case against caring for Jimenez to state court and won. The verdict has since been overturned, and the legal battle regarding Jimenez' right to return to the U.S. to receive medical care continues, as he languishes in his mother's home in Guatemala, able to afford no health care there and receiving only Alka-Seltzer and prayer from his mother as his condition deteriorates.

In sending Jimenez home, Martin Memorial did what was the only sensible thing they could do, which was stabilize their patient and send him to his legal home. It's a risk you face when deciding to live anywhere illegally, but it's only here in the U.S. that there would be a debate about it.

Now my story: When I was in my 20s, I chose to spend several months on the island of Crete, the largest of the Greek Islands, originally as a vacationer and eventually working in a variety of menial jobs, including a stint as an au pair as well as a maid/janitor at a beachfront hotel.

I'm not sure exactly how long I overstayed my visa, by several months, at least, but there is a veritable cottage industry of people doing so on the big Mediterranean island. Just like here in the U.S., jobs which regular citizens are wont to take are readily available to the foreigner.

During my time there, I lived on the roof of a cheap youth hostel with guys like Larry from Chicago (first names and towns of origin only in the illegal alien biz, please), who had arrived on Crete three years before and decided to stay and work in the booming construction trade, and couples like George and Mandy from Ontario, Canada, who had been there for one and a half years, with George working in the olive groves as a laborer and Mandy changing sheets and mopping floors at the Hotel Mykonos.

Of course I must point out the obvious differences between us ex-patriot North Americans and the illegal immigrants who live and work here in the U.S: Most of the young men and women who lived and worked illegally in the Greek Islands were leaving neither poverty nor political oppression in search of a better life. It was just an adventure.

And yet, there are still some similarities. For instance, I would never have thought of staying on Crete, giving birth to children there while still on "illegal" status, and then demanding they be educated in English until they were taught Greek at the expense of the Greek taxpayer. I would never have expected to be given the right to apply for a Greek driver's license while still in the country illegally. I would never have expected access to medical care I could not pay cash for, and had I been seriously injured, I could easily have seen myself put on a plane back home the minute I was out of the intensive care unit -- or perhaps thrown in one of their prisons for being in their country without a valid visa.

And why? Because in other countries, when you're there illegally, you have no rights. Period. While you may be doing jobs that none of its legal residents want to do themselves, you only live there only as long as the authorities are willing to look the other way for the sake of the local economy.

One fine Cretan morning I woke up and snapped out of my "island madness" and came away from my Greek adventure unscathed. I often wonder if people like Larry from Chicago or George and Mandy from Canada fared as well. Because living illegally in a foreign country is a crapshoot, and it's risky -- unless it's the U.S., in which case people will bend over backwards defending your right to set up house and claim all the rights of a regular citizen.

Unfortunately, you still need a fair share of good luck to make it work. Jimenez' case proves, if nothing else, that once you're either too broke or too sick to stay under the radar of the authorities, it's a safe bet that you're probably going home. Whatever country you're in.

And to expect anything else is its own form of madness.

Diane Sayre is a freelance writer living in Hanford. Her column appears weekly in the Sentinel. Readers can write to her at The Hanford Sentinel, P.O. Box 9, Hanford, CA 93232.

(Aug. 11, 2008)

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Mag wrote on Aug 11, 2008 1:25 PM:

" Yeah!!!! Great points. We've heard many stories of late of people coming here illegally because they get better care, free care, any care. I would feel absolutely horrible to leech off of another country's offerings, knowing it was morally wrong. I love the story of the kid whose mother brought him here illegally to get free care, then when there was a medical mistake made, Mom sued the pants off the hospital. Ahhh, the American way. They should have been shipped home and dealt with the cards they were given. "

whitey wrote on Aug 11, 2008 3:17 PM:

" Now if only we could get the government to realize that we are the only ones who help illegals. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Aug 11, 2008 3:44 PM:

" Diane, how so very right you are! "

tired wrote on Aug 11, 2008 4:40 PM:

" you hit the nail on the head. BRAVO!!!!!! "

Couldnt agree more wrote on Aug 11, 2008 5:38 PM:

" It would be so nice if all the bleeding hearts in this county could see it as Diane wrote, as well as the politicians who continue to pander to these illegals for their votes by giving into them and their demands. "

DaTruth wrote on Aug 11, 2008 10:55 PM:

" Finally, a common sense article... great read Diane! If people would only look at someone entering our country illegally the same as someone entering their home illegally it would all make sense. But... the social progressives in this country do not live in reality, and anyone who informs them of such is called a racist hate monger. Our constitution and laws are what have set us apart from third world countries, and if the illegal immigration pace keeps up, our current system will be voted out and replaced with a socialist system which will be the demise of the USA. Dont be fooled people, it's the reason history repeats itself, because people think it can never happen to their generation. "

DEE wrote on Aug 11, 2008 11:14 PM:

" Why are we so inhumane to immigrants since we are not all originally from this country anyway. The Native Americans should be upset and speak up about all of us, trashing their country with so many wars and pollution! "

Scott D wrote on Aug 13, 2008 3:18 AM:

" This is a very good artical and it brings up many good points. Why do we as U.S. Citizens continue to support and educate the millions of illegals in our country? Stop allowing illegals and there anchor babys from getting benifits they are not entitled too and you will almost stop illegal immigration from south of the border. School will be starting next week. How many thousands of illegal children will be enrolled in our Hanford schools? If we lived in a foreign country, would that country allow your children a free education? The answer is mostly no! I've defended this country in time of war and peace and I hate to see it slowely decay into a third world country. Our government needs to look out for it's citizens and deport those who are here illegally with there children. We can't support the world as we try to do at times. Our state budget is a mess. Can we as a state support 8 million plus illegals. The answer is no! "

Europe wrote on Aug 13, 2008 10:29 PM:

" Is more progressive than the US in medicine, transportation, immigration and health issues. Why aren't we learning from them? We'd have more cancer drugs, better transit, health and money to educate our own people. They probably have a better immigration policy as well. yeah, yeah, I know, blog on about if I like it...I can live there. It's a plan of mine. I'll be gone......bloggers here will still be bloggers here (not all of you are that way thankfully:P". "

WATCHDOG FRED IS SMILING wrote on Aug 14, 2008 1:01 AM:

" Thank you Diane for your fair and honest reflection of our problems here in the United States. Go south of the border sometime and lose your identification and see where you end up? It won't be on a labor bus picking melone, lettuce or cutting grapes, guaranteed.
Go to a foreign country and tell them how bad it is here at home and see if they will put you on their non-existant Welfare System?
We are a spoiled nation of people who have had it so good for so long and the bleeding hearts. They want to share it with every living thing, cause that is who they are.
It's time to put the chain on the door and turn the key in the hole to close the gap in the fence and protect for our citizens what is rightfully theirs. I've said for months now, you want me to quit griping about illegals, then let them migrate legally and I'll shut up. Our problem isn't with a race of people, our problem is with people who break our laws; by entering illegally and then want all the rights afforded a legalized citizen. "

WATCHDOG FRED IS SMILING wrote on Aug 14, 2008 1:13 AM:

" I'd like to see a bunch of white folk go south of the border, to Mexico City and start flying the American Flag, while flaunting it in the Government Soldiers face and see what would happen to those Americans.

Could you imagine opening a business in Mexico and painting your structure red, white and blue? How long do you think it would remain that color?
There was a time in this country that wouldn't be allowed also a foreign colored building, but we have one on display for everyone traveling Hwy. 198 to see. What a specticale of patriotism when this country is at war with terrorists.

Honor to those who defend this country to this day and death to those who wish to destroy it in so many ways. That should be the cry of the citizens in this community and across the United States. How soon after 9/11 we forget the death and destruction which foreigners rained down on those people who were mere spectators in genocide, a genocide rained down on them that day and killed over 3,000 people at the hands of foreigners who hate this country. "

Veteran wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:42 AM:

" Soon, the back yard was like it used to be... quiet, serene, and no one demanding their rights to a free meal.

Now let's see. Our government gives out free food, subsidized housing, free medical care, and free
education, and allows anyone born here to be an automatic citizen.

Then the illegals came by the tens of thousands. Suddenly, our taxes went up to pay for free services; small apartments are housing 5 families; you have to wait 6 hours to be seen by an emergency room doctor; your child's 2nd grade class is behind other schools because over half the class doesn't speak English.

Corn Flakes now come in a bilingual box; I have to 'press one' to hear my bank talk to me in English, and people waving flags other
than 'Old Glory' are squawking and screaming
in the streets, demanding more rights and free liberties.

Just my opinion, but maybe it's time for the government to take down the bird feeder. "

Best read yet.... wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:56 AM:

" Congratulations Diane. You hit the nail on the head. I have no problem with someone who wants to live in the US and they earn citizenship through the legal channels. If a person becomes a LEGAL citizen of the US, more power to them.

Now, let's look at the root of the problem: ACLU, need I say more? Some things that ACLU do are for the good of most, but somethings only are good for the few. The ACLU needs to learn to represent that majority, just not make a name for themselves.

Again Diane, great article. Thank you. "

Sally wrote on Aug 14, 2008 6:29 PM:

" Your right scott! There are going to be hundreds if not thousands of illegal children lining up to attend our schools. This needs to stop. The schools are too overcrowded and the quality of educations suffers from this. our children suffer from this. Stop allowing these illegal children from attending our schools. The schools know who they are. Just report them and let the INS do there job! "

WATCHDOG FRED BITES BACK wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:26 AM:

" To: DEE wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:14 AM:
Surely you jest, we open up our entire treasure chest of benefits to them on a regular basis. Welfare, WIC, Section 8, Food Stamps/EBT Card, Welfare to Work Programs, Comodities, Handouts from Churches and Non-profits. Reduced cost on lunches or free lunches, free education, free health care. What more can we possibly do to make them comfortable? Once they have an anchor baby, the entitlements never end. The reason most entitled citizens in this country are refused benefits, is they made the mistake of earning some money on their own along the way and actually reporting it under their legitimate Social Security Number. So when the Welfare Department is looking at applications the one's who had the Anchor Baby and made all their money on the side wins out over the legalized citizen who was responsible and reported funds earned. It happens time and time again. Besides the unemployed Welfare Rat has to be considered in the slide rule at the Welfare Office and it makes those who worked for a living ineligible. Is it fair no, does it continue yes. "

WATCHDOG FRED BITES BACK wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:34 AM:

" To: DEE wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:14 AM:
Do you want to be amuzed sometime, just park in the parking lot of any government offices and watch the healthy young women carrying babies come and go all day long. Not a thing in the world wrong with them, they could work at any fast food restaurant, Wal~mart or Kmart but opt not to because they would lose the benefits they now receive. There would be a reduced amount in any regard. So they decide why work when I can stay home and get just a little less or maybe even more than I can working. I say there should be a revision to the law, that would require anyone receiving welfare to have worked at least 12 quarters to quailfy for benefits. That is only three years of work. Right now the requirement is 0. That way if a teen gets pregnant let her and her family figure out how they will make ends meet. If the parents were supervising their teenage sons and daughters they wouldn't have the time/opportunity to get pregnant. Why should taxpayers pay for it? "

Scott D wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Fred! I agree with you 100% I've been down to the government office you mentioned last week. The lines where going out the door. Many where young Mexican / Hispanic girls with their children in tow expecting another in the next few months. it seems like this benifit train will never stop. One young girl that was expecting walked out of a very nice and detailed low rider. You could tell that there was thousands of dollars in upgrades including the exotic paint job. The young man with tattoos up and down his arms look very abled to work and support his family. There where at least two children in car seats in the back seat. This needs to stop! The piggy bank is empty! "

Terri Wells wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:06 AM:

" Scott you are so right! I work in another government office in the same area as the welfare office. It makes me very upset on how these foreigners take advantage of our countys shrinking benifits. Our government should know better but they continue to feed the illegals needs and rejecting the citizen in need. This is clearly fraud on the highest level. The raping of America! Our laws need to change and it would be a very good idea to put and INS or Border patrol office in the welfare office. Maybe that should help the situation. Nothing else seems to be working. "

Valley girl wrote on Aug 16, 2008 2:47 PM:

" I sure would love to hear Mrs.D chime in on this subject! "

Linda Jones wrote on Aug 17, 2008 9:19 PM:

" American's love to give and help other people befre they help there own. We need to change are rules and laws to help Americans out first. Welfare should be considered foreign aid in the valley . We need to enforce our laws that are on the books. We need to close our borders and deport these illegals stealing from us. I always fear that my children would be left out of school due to overcrowding. There educations suffers enough from all the foreign language spoke at the schools. "

ToDee wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:03 AM:

" Dee, let me give you a quick history lesson...Every country and boundary in the world was taken or established by force. Europeans took this land we call the USA from the native Indians, but the reason this is the best country in the world is because of the government established by the same people who took the land over. The dirt we live on isnt magical, and it's not a geographical thing which makes our country great... it's our laws and constitution, which are being abused, skewed and trampled on. Our country was established to get away from taxes, yet we have created exactly what our founding fathers fought to avoid. We cannot let other cultures come here by the millions and expect things to remain the same. Call it what you want, but the time has come to close the borders and protect our American way of life before we our overrun and it is lost forever! "

Laurie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:35 AM:

" I can understand providing someone with emergency medical care, but the abuse that these illegals put on our medical system is just appauling. If you where in a foreign country like I was and you needed medical care, you received it normally ,but you also had to pay for it. In Europe, usually medical attention is given first before payment. When I was in the phillippines, payment was required up front unless you had valid medical insurance. Every dollar spent on medical,welfare,housing,education,legal, and transpotation for these illegals should be billed to there home country. Mexico has oil. They can provide oil to the United States for service rendered to there citizens illegaly living in the United States. This free for all needs to end now! I have seen both the kings and Tulare welfare offices over flowing with these people and it needs to stop. It would be a good idea to station border patrol agents in the hospitals, schools, and welfare offices to stop this madness! "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Laurie - you brought up a valid question. Stop and think about it, what terrorists and illegals have done to this country. It is starting to remind me of WWII Europe. Remember when the SS had to be at every transportation point, hospitals, capitol buildings? Is that what all this is forcing us to do. Perhaps I.D. cards and transportation paperwork is to follow. When boarding a train or plane if you don't have the proper paperwork you will be detained for questioning. Perhaps INS/Homeland Security stationed at the Welfare Office, WIC Office, Hospitals, Health Department to ensure only legalized citizens receive treatment? Is this what it is gonna take to gain control of our legalized citizen help programs. Will we also have to station security at Church's and Non Profits to ensure they aren't providing items for non reisdents of California? Think about it people this has gone to far and it may take steps this drastic to real it back in. Laurie I think you make a lot of good points here. Remember this isn't against race it is against legal vs illegal. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:29 AM:

" To Dee, this is my second post, first didn't make it. Will try to limit to 100 words then add a continued. You are the one that needs a history lesson. The Russians were in California before the Spanish, and the Spanish are the ones that brought the Mexicans here. Yes the Europeans colonist fought with and one the land from the Native Americans. But who did the Native Americans take the land from. Where did the Native Americans come from? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:31 AM:

" To Dee, this is my second post, first didn't make it. Continued. Latest science links the arrowheads of the Native Americans to a site in France, not in Asia or Russia. Did the Vikings settle parts of America before Columbus? Many current countires have past civiliation borders within them. So until the US of A goes away, stop all of the talk about the past. "

tired wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:43 PM:

" I am just tired of not being able to apply to jobs I can very well do because I do not speak the correct language. I would like my free spanish classes, thank you!

One thing I enjoy though.. is seeing the youngsters. I know them from being classmates in my children's school. I know they can hear/understand english very well. See them outside playing with my children and something happens when I have to step in. Those children will stand there, and it has happened on more than one occasion, will start replying in spanish to me. I always call them on it though. They know english, they know what was done was wrong, and they won't be playing that 'can't speak english' card at my home! "

Larry wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:50 PM:

" Laurie, you made a very good point. Putting INS/Border Patrol/Homeland Security in the welfare office and schools would be a great idea plus it would add extra good paying jobs to our poverty stricken area. I agree with all of you that this mess needs to stop. Today is the first day of school. This would be the time to has someone at every school from the above agencys screening our schools roasters and the fake paper work being turned into the school offices. Lets get this ball rolling! "

Angie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:11 PM:

" To ALL OF YOU-
you guys are funny. You blame illegals and everyone who doesn't fit into your picture of a true American for every downfall in this country. What a joke.
Whatever, man.
What's even funnier to me is that no matter how loud you cry and complain, the borders will never close and foriegners will continue to make America their home (legally or not), and there's nothing you can do about it. So all ya'll will keep on hating the person who speaks spanish because she/he got the job you didn't. That's ok. Someday we'll be the majority. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:56 AM:

" Angie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:11 PM:
Nice try but the statistics over the last year prove you wrong Angie. There has actually been a reduction of 1.3 million illegals immigrants in the United States. Due to punishment of employers for hiring them, with fines and stiff penalties. Building a fence at the border is helping. Laws tightening on benefits they can receive. Stepped up Homeland Security at airports, rail and all other points of entry. But far and wide many are leaving out of despiration of not finding employment. The Employers aren't willing to risk their businesses to hire cheap labor any longer. The Federal Government finally woke up and realized if there isn't work for them here they won't come here. You are right until the entire network is established in this country to keep them out, they will keep coming. But if they can't be employed and they can't get benefits they will give up and go back home, all on their own. Those being caught entering illegally now have a five year ban placed on them for reentry with prison time if violated. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:05 AM:

" Angie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:11 PM:
What's even funnier to me is that no matter how loud you cry and complain, the borders will never close and foriegners will continue to make America their home (legally or not), and there's nothing you can do about it.
I find it interesting Angie you think violation of our laws is funny, interesting Angie but not surprising coming from you.
Also in regard to nothing being done. The stats once again disagree with you, if things continue just the way they are and they won't cause it is gonna get even tougher. In four years time the estimate is 6 million illegal immigrants will leave the United States. That's without any further implimentation or changes, Angie. So looks like a lot of us may have that laugh instead. That would still leave 6 million that the statistics say then would finally give up in four years following that time frame and return to their homelands. If they can't work, if they can't receive benefits and can only receive emergency healthcare they won't want to be here, plain and simple. Anchor babies next. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 20, 2008 12:42 PM:

" To Angie, why are you so hateful? Unless you are here illegally, no one has attacked you for being here, or for being proud of your heritage. But yes it is wrong to require anyone to have to speak Spanish in the USofA, except for interpreters at the UN or an Embassy in a Spanish speaking country. All other business in America should be conducted in English, just like it is for all other foreigners. You don't like it, then why do you consider yourself an American? All Americans are suppossed to be equal. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 20, 2008 12:45 PM:

" To Angie, continued.
All other immigrants had to learn English to survive and all became important building blocks of America. This rule needs to be applied to all. If you don't try to learn the language or the culture of the USA, then you will never be assimilated and will be creating yourself as a second class citizen.
Also it will be many years before "you" are the majority, yes figures show that "whites" will be less than 50 percent of the population in about 20 years, but that will still be more than double of any other single race. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 20, 2008 1:43 PM:

" "Because in other countries, when you're there illegally, you have no rights. Period."

Dear Diane, I will have to disagree with your blanket statement that when living illegally in other countries, a person has no rights. Perhaps your limited experience in Greece provided the background for your opinion piece and as I have never lived in Greece legally or illegally, I cannot really dispute your statements as related to that country. I can, however, assure you that illegals do have certain rights here in Switzerland as well as in many other countries and can even provide you a link where you can read more about the rights granted to such persons here in Switzerland:

http://www.unia.ch/Sans_Papiers.1339.0.html

As you will see, many of these rights pertain to human rights, such as the right to medical insurance and treatment, or the right to an education. The are rights that all humans have irregardless of their legal status. So, before fanning the flame of resentment towards Sans Papiers living in countries other than their own by making blanket statements, you should at least get the facts right.

Human rights cannot be denied. Period. "

keli wrote on Aug 20, 2008 2:16 PM:

" Angie You think this is funny now but when 'YOU' are the majority and your kids or they're kids go with out because the USA is now The New Mexico and americans are reproducing like rabbits because it's free to the minority who will have the last laugh????? "

Angie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:36 PM:

" TO ALL OF YOU-
First of all, I don't think law breaking is funny, ok WDF. What is funny is all you who stress on the illegal immigrants, blame them for everything, hate them because SOME OF THEM are eligible for programs you're not, and the fact that there's NOTHING YOU CAN DO!
Yeah, all other immigrants had to learn english before but guess what? Not anymore! It's so awesome that there are many agencies that have to provide forms in Spanish. That was then, this is now. I had to deal with teachers dirty looks and rude attitudes when I started school because I didn't know English and now I will get a job before a non-bilingual person! I think that is GREAT!
I don't blame the immigrants for coming here.
It truly is a land of opportunity! "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:27 PM:

" Scott Tucker,
Thanks for the course in introduction to Switzerland Scott. But I really think our immigration problem is somewhat more significant than Switzerlands. Perhaps you can help and send several free plane tickets south of the border and start an influx of immigrants to Switzerland to demonstrate how wonderful Switzerland's immigration policies are and how they promote human rights. "

WATCHDOG FRED BITES BACK wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:22 AM:

" To: Scott Tucker, when are you gonna figure it out?

WE DON'T CARE HOW YOU DO IT IN SWITZERLAND! YOU MOVED WE DIDN'T. "

Mary Armstrong wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:25 AM:

" To Angie! When or if your wish comes true, the United States at that time will be an official third world country. The country would simply lose it's value and traditions. it would be like Mexico today! As an American Citizen, I resent all who come here illegaly and break our laws and demand all the benifits and rights as a citizen. Unfortunatly you would never understand what where talking about while you collects our benifits. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 21, 2008 8:01 AM:

" To ScottTucker, perhaps Diane has only experience from Greece, but I have experience from at least 6 other countries, and I don't know any of them that paint as rosy a picture as you do for Switzerland. All of them that I have experience with jail and deport illegals. They do not provide BASIC medical coverage, they may provide EMERGENCY medical care, but then they will want to bill you or your country for that service. And also do not tell me the Swiss do not have any problems with illegals. Almost all of the European countries have their troubles with for example illegal Turks. Same comment made there as here, they are undermining the economy. "

Angie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 12:21 PM:

" To Mary Armstrong-
I don't collect any kind of government benefits.
I am a US citizen but I don't need any benefits.
I say give them to the people who need it. Because, once again, illegals aren't entitled to any government benefits. And if their kids want a free meal and education, GIVE IT TO THEM! "

Terry s wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:00 PM:

" I wonder if anyone else has figured out Watchdog is using the name "NotHomeGrown" also? "

WATCHDOG FRED GETS TO THE POINT wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:27 PM:

" To: Angie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 5:36 PM:
You have demonstrated with the below comments what this has all boiled down to Angie. According to your own statements you've made this all about you. We have not we have simply taken the high road and race hasn't played a part in our argument. But your statements are filled with it.

One last question if those teachers hadn't given you dirty looks, would you have learned to speak english or just waited for the Spanish Handouts? Sometimes motivation comes in misterious ways. Had you not learned english you would not be considered bilingual, care to go back and thank that teacher? Yes, I thought not, you hadn't figured out until right now why you learned English, it was to tell that teacher off.

SOME OF THEM are eligible for programs you're not, and the fact that there's NOTHING YOU CAN DO!

I had to deal with teachers dirty looks and rude attitudes when I started school because I didn't know English and now I will get a job before a non-bilingual person! I think that is GREAT! "

WATCHDOG FRED GETS TO THE POINT wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:35 PM:

" To: Angie wrote on Aug 20, 2008 5:36 PM:
Anyone who laughs everytime an illegal gets it over on our government and gets free anything, lunch, medical treatment, food stamps or ebt card is not in favor of our laws. So if you don't believe in enforcing them you are no better than the illegals getting it over on our government. You speak as if you are one of them instead of one of us, yet you declare your U.S. Citzenship. That citizenship doesn't include a faucet you can turn on and off. You are either in favor of our country or you are against it, there is no in between. I have said all along and your satements in your last blog convince me you are one of those enablers who helped illegals get it over on our government, and I bet I am not the only one with that opinion. Just your attitude, every racist remark you make, convinces me I nailed you on the head the first time we had a discussion. I said then you participated in the illegal handouts as a Social Worker and you denied it. "

WATCHDOG FRED GETS TO THE POINT wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:39 PM:

" To: Terry s wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:00 PM:

Why do you all think I am in imposter, I am no one but myself, an opionated individual who from time to time finds people who agree with me. Do I charge Scott Tucker with being dose' or dandre' or Mrs. D., no I do not I take everyone here at face value. If you say you are Terry s, then I believe you are Terry s. whoever the heck that is. But I did paste your quote for you again:
To: "NotHomeGrown", would you care to reply to this audacious ladies statement?

" I wonder if anyone else has figured out Watchdog is using the name "NotHomeGrown" also? " "

Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:46 PM:

" Fred, Still glad to see that you cannot integrate two separate thoughts into one comment. Sometimes it's Dr. Jekyll. Sometimes it's Mr. Hyde. I wonder which personality will reply to this comment.

Dear NotHomeGrown, Great for you and your experiences. I never said that Switzerland does not have problems with illegal immigrants. It, like all countries, has its fair share. I simply pointed out that Diane's blanket statement was false, because all people, regardless of legal status, have rights.

The point that I was trying to raise, and the point that some of you missed, is that human beings have rights that cannot be taken away by any government. An education is a child's right. Do you not agree? Medical attention for serious, life-threatening illness or injury is a human being's right. Do you also not agree with this as well? "

WATCHDOG FRED GETS TO THE POINT wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:49 PM:

" To: Angie, but you can rest assured you will still be working for a well educated caucasian man/woman when you get your bilingual job who will also be so qualified. That is just the way it is these days, unless you stay with the County working as an enabler of crooks. Then you might have an minority affairs representative man/woman older greying in charge of you. But rest assured you won't be in charge of anybody. Your temperamant doesn't dictate Supervision for you. So get over it!.
I've had my career, I've seen so many like you end up with so little after hating for so long. It really isn't healthy. You need to learn to control your anger just like Mrs. D does, don't know if the problems are related but you both have them. "

Angie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 2:55 PM:

" To Watch Dog Fred/ NotHomeGrown-
Believe me, my statements are not racist. My statements are more geared towards the fact that back in the 70's when I started school teachers (not all of them) were hurtful and HATED dealing with me and other students who didn't speak english. They would make me feel like I was a waste of time and a bad person. Do you know what that does to a child? I remember as a little girl in 1st grade I tried so hard to get my teacher to like me but she simply didn't want to like me.
So, no Fred, I would not thank her. I would, however enjoy watching her being replaced by a bilingual teacher!!
I really wish you wouldn't speak of things you know nothing about. Things like illegals recieving welfare, working in the fields, and motivation. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 21, 2008 3:16 PM:

" Dear NotHomeGrown, Great for you and your experiences. I never said that Switzerland does not have problems with illegal immigrants. I simply pointed out that Diane's blanket statement was false, because all people, regardless of legal status, have rights.

The point that I was trying to raise, and the point that some of you missed, is that human beings have rights that cannot be taken away by any government. An education is a child's right. Do you not agree? Medical attention for serious, life-threatening illness or injury is a human being's right. Do you also not agree to this as well? "

Laurie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 6:28 PM:

" Angie. The things that you state make you one of our problems. Illegals shoud receive no benifits or education period! No programs should be made available to them except a one way bus ticket home! I'm happy you you received an education paid for by the American taxpayer. So the fact is you did receive benifits when you where younger. Hers a question for you. If my children and I immigrated to mexico illegally, whould my children receive free medical and an education in english? I don't think so! Would we receive free housing and money to buy food, clothing, and a cell phone? I think not! Then why should American Taxpayers do that for the illegals? You are correct that you would receive a job first with the same quilifications as a non-spanish speaking American Citizen and that's our governmnets fault. All business and education should be in english period! The same goes with Mexico. All other immigrants assumilated to American values and culture. Why should we change our ways to make things easier for illegals who refuse to learn our language,culture and laws? In Mexico, break the law, go to jail. Break the law here, free handouts! "

Scott D wrote on Aug 22, 2008 8:30 AM:

" Nicely stated laurie! "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:10 AM:

" Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:46 PM:

Scott, do you also interrupt intelligent conversations with the administrators of your Switzerland School and say this is how we did it in America? I bet you don't, my point was simple and direct, what happens here no longer effects you. What you do in Switzerland does not effect us. Now who has the problem articulating or formulating thoughts there Scholar?

Your opinions on America are not of concern to those of us still living in the town we are talking about and the United States where we still live and are concerned about. Your opinions of how you do it in Switzerland don't mean spit to us in America. We have two entirely different governmnets separated by thousands of miles.

We also have different opinions on serving in time of war than the Swiss do, so anything you might want to try and contribute is apples and oranges.

I'd suggest you blog in Switzerland and leave this community to blog for itself. You made the choice freely and willingly to leave, now live with it. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:20 AM:

" Angie wrote on Aug 21, 2008 4:55 PM:
This is what I mean about your thought process and your ability to comprehend your own comments. The lady you refer to as a teacher in the 70's has probably retired many years ago. Secondly to wish she was replaced by a bi-lingual teacher is not noteworthy of discussion, she taught you English didn't she? You are on this big vendetta against a teacher you didn't like. Do you have any idea how many teachers a lot of us didn't like? That is so inane of you to carry such a grudge well into thirty years later.
Perhaps what you should concentrate on is your ability of being bi-lingual and those responsible for making you that way, which is what this teacher did. I can tell by your attitude you would much rather have waited for those spanish pamphlets. I don't like them because everytime we print them it costs us more money and we don't print them in anyone's own language for any nationality but one. The money wasted on printing those documents, could go directly to education for every child in school. "

Sid wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Comrade Scott,

Do you have selective adhearance to the laws of the land?

Crossing the border without due process via established laws is ILLEGAL. Is it not in even socialist nations/mindsets?

Citizens of any nation have the right to not be a victim of an illegal alien criminal, murderer or drunk driver do they not?

What is so hard about asking for a work visa? Or apply for citizenship?

Your sympathy for the perpetrators of illegal behavior, assisted via left leaning political adhearants disregarding established laws over VICTIMS and those WHO OBEY THE LAW is quite illustrative. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:34 AM:

" Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 20, 2008 3:43 PM:
For those of you who wonder why I no longer want to listen to the dual citizenship scholar. I posed a question to him months ago he still hasn't answered about his beloved Switzerand, once again:
"I am currently terrified to throw away my garbage. I know, this sounds incredibly odd, but let me describe to you the trash collection process here and you might understand why. Trash must be deposited into a specified $2 garbage bag that is called a Zuri Sack. Anything not put inside a city marked bag will not be collected. Cardboard must be cut up into squares, bundled with twine and put out on a specified day. Newspaper and magazines are also to be bundled separately. I am still not sure what to do with normal paper. Bottles are recycled however I am still not sure if plastic is. In case you do any of the above incorrectly, don’t worry, the trash police (yes, they have an arm of law solely dedicated to the appropriate treatment of garbage) will sort through the garbage to identify who it belongs to and will fine them." JUSTICE? "

Angie wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:36 AM:

" To Laurie-
illegal children don't get an education, some work training, then they'll will be like the American born citizens with no education and on welfare, they will be putting a gun in your face and robbing you. So let's invest in them now, and you'll see the difference it makes in the future.
That's if you can put your hatred of them to the side. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 22, 2008 10:57 AM:

" To Terry S, you assumption is 100% wrong. WFD is a prior squid and I am a prior jarhead, just like water and vinager, we don't mix. We both share a lot of common beliefs.
To Scot Tucker, quote all you want about human rights, I guess some countries apply human rights differently than your Utopia, go Saudi Arabia and march into Mecca as an Infidel, see how much of a welcome wagon you are given. Your human rights will consist of being allowed to breath, and trust me that is about it. An no I do not believe in educating an illegal's children, that is their Human Right in their own country. Can't get it there? Then complain to the government there. How much Turkish/Kurdish do you speak? Why not? You are all for the American teachers needing to speak Spanish for the illegals. And notice it is Spanish only, not Catonese, Hmong, Cryllic, etc, etc. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 22, 2008 11:02 AM:

" To Laurie, are you really Laurie, or WDF, or perhaps even NotHomeGrown. Sorry that I went there, just tried to cut off all the other posters who think that only WFD is capable of having the same feelings. I agree 1 million percent with your post. Why is everyone bending over backwards just for the Hispanic/Latino/Mexican illegals? I don't hear that group out there calling for equal educaton for the Chinese, Vietnamnese, Hmong, Korean, African, Middle Eastern, etc. etc. I keep forgetting that this is their land that they stole from previous occupants, but it is okay for them to stop history at whatever point they want to. Wake up, California is part of the USofA and will remain so. If I were president, we might be looking at adding a few more states, all the way down to the Panama Canal, sure would make shorter border to defend. And why not? "

Angie wrote on Aug 22, 2008 2:18 PM:

" To WDF-
I really don't care what you think of me Watchpuppy. I don't need you to accept me.
You say you are so gun ho American yet you want to kill the American dream for others. Whatever. "

Angie wrote on Aug 22, 2008 4:24 PM:

" To Laurie-
For some reason the Sentinel did not post my response to you so here goes again.
You say that the things I state make me one of the problems? Oh I don't think so. I am a U.S. born, California grown citizen and so is my mother. My father migrated from Mexico, legally, in 1955. They both worked hard all their lives to buy a home and now they sit back and enjoy their hard earned social security check. Yes, we did recieve assistance during the 5 monthe out of the year there was no work but my father did gardening for various people. And yes that income was reported because in spite of what most people think of immigrants not all of them are liars and not all of them liked the fact that they needed a "hand up" from a government that "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 22, 2008 5:29 PM:

" To: Angie you had a key word in this statement
You say you are so gun ho American yet you want to kill the American dream for others. Whatever. "

American Dream for Americans, that is how it is suppose to be, that is what our forefathers taught us. They also taught us a legal method to allow immigrants to continue to come to our country. That practice is still available to those today who want to be law abiding immigrants who wish to become U.S. Citizens. All I am saying is follow the laws and rules. Just because the border is handy doesn't mean you have a right to enter this country illegally. The American Dream for real American's is still alive and well in this country. I might point out there have been just as many East European Immigrants who have chosen to come here legally in my adult life who have gone on to become citizens and have purchased businesses and been quite successful, as the number of illegals who have come here only to be deported back to where they came. So which is proper, Angie? "

Laurie wrote on Aug 23, 2008 12:35 AM:

" To Angie! Illegal children are getting an education paid for by the American taxpayer. Just go to MLK, Roosevelt, and Lincoln schools. You'll find hundreds of these children that are undocumented. It's not the children's fault but their parents breaking the law by crossing our borders and raping our social,medical, and educational benifits. Illegals are not to blame for all our problems, but you have to admit that they have caused a sever strain on our programs I stated above. Many children can't attend school due to overcrowding. Medical facilities have close or are over crowded to the breaking point. I don't hate people and I have lived in several different countrys. I hate law breakers and liars who drain our resources reserved for American Citizens. Race is not a factor. Illegal is illegal and they have no business here in American. If you want to come here, wait in line and do it legally. Welfare should be used as a helping hand in the time of need, not to support generation after generation or to off set the cost for an over sized family that you can't support on your own!. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 23, 2008 3:31 AM:

" Sophomoric Sid,

Perhaps you cannot see the irony of your statement due to the rage that blinds your vision (more cataracts?). It is funny that you should ask me these questions, when it is clear that they should have been directed towards the author of this article. She is the one that has admitted to illegally overstaying her welcome in Greece. Where is your outrage towards her "illegal behavior"? Why do you not ask her why she did not apply to have her visa extended? Oh, silly me, I always forget that people like you live by your own set of double standards. My mistake. I should have realized that you and your "comrades" do not care one iota for the human condition. It always about me, me, me, isn't it? "

Scott Tucker wrote on Aug 23, 2008 4:00 AM:

" Fred, Why do you consistantly spread falsehoods? I hope you know that I did not write what you claim I wrote. You always begin your posts with "Scott Tucker wrote on...", and then follow it up with your own refuse. Learn the meaning of the verb "to write" including all of its various temporal forms, or, as I have suggested in previous comments, learn to correctly cite sources.

Thanks for proving my point made elsewhere that much of what you write is rubbish, or at least rubbish related. FYI, the "Garbage Police" here in Switzerland only investigate the improper disposal of garbage. There are rules, just as Hanford has rules regarding waste disposal, that stipulate what can and cannot be disposed of in household garbage. It seems that Hanford residents are also concerned about the proper disposal of waste, as illustrated by Mr. Smiley's letter to the editor on August 21. Perhaps you just don't care about waste disposal regulations, although, considering the large amount of garbage you produce here on this forum, I would think that it would be a subject of great interest to you. "

I am in shock to hear that people are reporting their income wrote on Aug 23, 2008 8:31 AM:

" Well...during the time I worked for a farming operation not so long ago we had employees who were laid-off from time to time in the year...that did not stop them from pulling out one of their other illegal social security numbers and working under that number while collecting unemplyment benefits from our company. I asked the guys why they did it?They said because the Ag-contractor who supplied them those false numbers originally when they first came illegally never told them that it was illegal, now they assume it is acceptable.Brown with brown crime supported by brown workers in the system of goverment.The unspoken don't ask, don't tell cycle of ongoing activties not kosher in ethical standards of law and yet their are policies that overlook and sugar-coat what has occurred with no penalties of deportation for the unlawful actions. I got fed-up, left that blatant state of disregard.Farming operations and owners, their people employed with questionable legality to be here, pose in disregard to Department of Justice forms/INS, especially social security system, ect.They are all corrupted by Agri-business and their wants at the expense of America. "

WATCHDOG FRED SUGGESTION wrote on Aug 23, 2008 8:32 AM:

" Angie wrote on Aug 22, 2008 6:24 PM:
Perhaps, you should be teaching the lesson of your father and mother instead of such a staunch advocate for those who do not wish to follow american law. It is proven people who break the law to enter this country, will not hesitate to break other laws to stay here. So why should we promote criminals entering the country illegally. Your parents chose to take the right path, that is what you should be teaching and celebrating not illegal entry by illegals.

It seems somewhere along the line you got confused on the lesson your father worked so hard to try and teach you. Illegals lie and cheat and commit purgery on a daily basis in order to remain in this country, and you want to cheer their accomplishments? Does he approve of your actions when he had the forthought back in the 1950's to come here legally?

Look at the achievements of your parents. Do you think had they lived in Mexico, they would be land owners and receive SS from the Mexican Government? Be proud of them. "

Here is another fact that has made it impossible to deport illegals wrote on Aug 23, 2008 8:46 AM:

" RAZA with support by agri-business, and other organizations lobbied 15 years ago to make sure that INS numbers never appeared on a document of employemnt.

The cards were viewed but they never could be associated with any social security numbers...this was for the purpose of of not having checks and balances in place which is legally a Consitutional requirement of law.

You see if those INS numbers issueed with the resident cards and working only resident cards are Mexican consolate trails of documentation, supported with letters of sponsorship by say maybe an employee of a company.

INS 3's most acurately would have connected to each social security number used with that person.In theory agencies could find how many were using a legal brother, sister, cousin, aunt or uncles even friends card and in assocaition with how many other social security numbers were associated with that INS #' and actually used in the past.

This too would have been the ultimate reason today for deportation and fines to employers who utimately knew they were hiring illegal workers. "

Keli wrote on Aug 23, 2008 11:16 AM:

" Angie let's see,your Dad came here in 1955,your mom was born here,you went to school in the 70's and you couldn't speak English? This is what we call assimilating,your family didn't! Your parent's don't teach you English just Spanish? I bet they spoke and wrote English to get benifits.This is one of the biggest problems in our school system,the teacher was not mad at you or didn't hate you, she was just frustrated because she's trying to teach 30 kids to read and write but has to also teach you English before she can teach you to read and write.Think about it, if your parents really wanted the American Dream for you they could have done the best thing for you by teaching you English,not depending on the teacher who in your eye's is the bad guy,your parents are the one who dropped the ball. "

James F. wrote on Aug 23, 2008 11:36 PM:

" I think that most of what is written here is truly funny. Some of you quote "statistics" that 6 million will leave , and that 1.3 have already left. Where do you guys get this stuff. There was an article on the real news that by 2045 there will be a majority of Latinos, Blacks and Asians, so I'm taking a class in Spanish and I already know some Korean, so good luck to some of you. I think there's a total of 15 of you who are angry but all you do is write about it here. Oh yeah, Washington just can't wait for the 15 from Hanford to fill it's halls with wisdom. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:12 PM:

" James F. wrote on Aug 24, 2008 1:36 AM:

All of those comments I made in regard to the 1.3 million leaving and an estimate that 4 more million will leave over the next four years came from NEWSMAX. It stands to reason that when the employers start finally getting fined like S&K and other companies wise up and say hey we don't want our profits going to pay fines. Thus the job market is nill for illegal/undocumented workers in the United States. Therefor if they cannot be employed here, why stay here to be picked up and deported.
You know a dirty trick that use to be pulled on the illegals every season. The farmers would call the INS on the last day of harvest and report all these illegals hanging out at the stores in town and the INS would swoop in pick them up and take them back to the border. What benefit that gave the farmers is they didn't pay for last week they worked and put that money back in their own pockets. The city that happened in was Richgrove, Ca. So sometimes illegals are the victims. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:33 PM:

" TO THE HONORABLE: James F. wrote on Aug 24, 2008 1:36 AM:

Perhaps we coud learn from O.K.
House Bill 1804, the Oklahoma Taxpayer and Citizen Protection Act of 2007, has been characterized by USA Today as "arguably the nation's toughest state law targeting illegal immigration."

The Oklahoma law imposes strict penalties on employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens, makes it a felony to transport or shelter illegal immigrants, forbids the state to issue drivers licenses or pay social welfare benefits to illegal aliens or their families, and empowers state and local police to enforce federal immigration laws.


Don't leave out Arizona:
Illegal immigrants are flooding the Mexican consulate in Phoenix for documents that will allow them to return to Mexico to enroll their children in school, the consul to Arizona, Carlos Flores Vizcarra, told FOX News. They are also requesting a document called “menaje de casa,” which allows illegal immigrant families living in the U.S. to cross into Mexico without paying a tax on their furniture and personal belongings.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio has set up a hotline for citizens to report on employers who hire illegals. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:49 PM:

" TO THE HONORABLE: James F. wrote on Aug 24, 2008 1:36 AM:

But the crackdown is a gain for taxpayers. Estimates show that illegal immigrants cost Oklahoma taxpayers $200 million a year, mostly for education and healthcare.

By demonstrating that enforcement works, state and local governments are clarifying the issues, and tens of thousands of illegal immigrants are self-deporting. The public outcry that defeated the amnesty bill this spring has found a new outlet, keeping the heat on Washington all the way into the 2008 elections.

"If you can't do business legally, then you have no business being in business."
Above is the new battle cry of the American people concerning hiring illegal immigrants.

Anything short of deportation is amnesty.

RALEIGH - In less than three weeks, Wake County detention officers will have the power to start deportation proceedings against immigrants who pass through the county jail.
The program is being anxiously debated and discussed in the Triangle immigrant community, with some people deciding to leave the country rather than chance an encounter with a police officer that could lead to deportation.

Imagine a jail that can do deportation? "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 24, 2008 5:55 PM:

" TO THE HONORABLE: James F. wrote on Aug 24, 2008 1:36 AM:

I think a clear cut story indicating the people of the United States are taking back their country from an illegal mass that has tried to force their presence upon us. Not only force a prescence but ignore and break our immigration laws in the process.

Many states have realized a stale mate in Congress does not necessarily create no action in the states. Many States have realized they can have their local law enforcement enforce federal law as well as a part of their normal duties. What a concept?

I've said for months now that this trend was catching on and Angie, I guess there is some things we can do about it, afterall.

Police Officers who perform traffic stops will soon have the power to arrest those without a driver's license, prosecute them and have them deported all in the same arrest. No more repeat offenders, they will all be residing in their homeland from now on. How marvelous would that concept be folks?

Fewer accidents involving no license and no insurance, I bet. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:16 AM:

" To Scot Tucker: Yes the writer of the article did mention that she overstayed and worked illegally, but to best of my knowledge, nobody posted way to go girl. But her article was more about what she got from staying there illegally, which accounted for nothing other than the money she made. Again just like here, most likely the business owner was able to get someone to work for less than they would be required to pay a local. Do I think what she did is wrong? Yes, because she was illegal. Was she fortunate that she was arrested? Yes, I am sure that would not have been a pleasure trip of food stamps and low income housing, probably just jail time and deportation. And that is what the writer appeared to be commenting on in her article. If the illegals were only here working temporary and only getting the rewards of their work and no other benefits, then perhaps there wouldn't be so many posts. But some posts would still continue, as they would still be here illegally. "

Angie wrote on Aug 25, 2008 10:16 AM:

" To Keli, Laurie, and WDF- The second half of my comment was not posted, for some reason, but that is where I stated that I don't support illegals coming here that commit crimes and provide false documention to "prove" citizenship to get welfare and other benefits. I really don't. You'd be surprised just how many people actually do become citizens and have the correct documentation. But all you people rant and rave about helping all the "illegals" when you don't even know if they truly are illegal. An alien card is a perfectly legal way to obtain many benefits. But even with that you people get upset. You ASSUME they are illegal. As for their children, they are not anchor babies. They are United States citizens. And for the children who are illegally here, I say give them the free meal, free medical care and invest in them. "

Angie wrote on Aug 25, 2008 10:28 AM:

" To Keli, Laurie, and WDF- It's better for them to get an education and a good start rather than keep them under the bondage of poverty, illiteracy, and poor health. They're just kids.
As for my parents not teaching me English, well you think abut Keli, they preserved a language in me that is in such demand that I will get a job before a non-bilingual person. The home they own is willed to my daughters who will use it as they please. Excuse me, but they did give me the American dream. "

WATCHDOG FRED CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS wrote on Aug 25, 2008 3:20 PM:

" Angie you dispute your own argument, first you say you don't support illegals who break the law. Every illegal person who comes here is a law breaker including their children, if they are not born in the United States. Then you follow up with this comment:

And for the children who are illegally here, I say give them the free meal, free medical care and invest in them. "

I say if they are illegally here send them back where they came from. Plain and simple, if they can't follow the laws to enter they won't follow the laws to stay, it is a proven fact. "

WATCHDOG FRED CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS wrote on Aug 25, 2008 3:22 PM:

" To: Angie wrote on Aug 25, 2008 12:28 PM

Are you an only child, or do you have siblings. It seems the house should be left to all family members as is normally the custom.: "

WATCHDOG FRED CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS wrote on Aug 25, 2008 3:25 PM:

" To: Angie's quote of the day:

As for their children, they are not anchor babies. They are United States citizens.

No, they are United States citizens who now as anchor babies make it legal for their parent/s to stay in the United States. Now feel better, but it presents the same problems and complications as worded the other way.

I say the illegal parent/s make the baby illegal too, therefore they should all have to leave. That's how they would do it in any other country. "

WATCHDOG FRED CANT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS wrote on Aug 25, 2008 3:33 PM:

" To: Angie's quote of the day:

Did you read the other posts, that Included the special mexican form the illegals are requesting now so they can take their home furnishings back to Mexico without paying tax on them, Angie. Guess things are being done to end and solve the immigration problems, afer all.
It's amazing how when you have the law on your side in this country, eventually you prevail. It's a legal thing nothing more, nothing less. I guess you can no longer boast there is nothing we can do about it.

This country was founded on doing things legally and morally correct. The immigration laws are no different. These people need to learn the paperwork must start at home and then go through the legal process for entry into this country. That is all the citizens are asking for and want. No more south of the border only privileges, follow the same process everyone else does. Your father had the sense to do so. Become legal and no one can touch you. Stay illegal your future contains deportation. "




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