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Working poor

Editor's note: This is the second of three Sunday articles on the unemployed and working poor in Kings County.

During his heyday, Ray Joe raked in plenty of money as a forklift operator. For years, Joe, 55, of Hanford, dedicated his life at Contadina to put food on the table and have a roof over his head. Today, without a job, he's homeless, dressed in shirts and pants smeared with black oil and dirt. His face is forested with a stubble of white-and-black beard, and valleys of wrinkles are imbedded in his skin. At night, he sleeps on cold concrete without a pillow, usually at local parks. Life has been that way for four years.

Joe, a schizophrenic, relies on pills to calm down the ocean of voices that rattle his ears. At night, he wakes up every two hours, bombarded by thoughts that other people will steal from him and hurt him. He sometimes starves for a couple days, facing the gnaw of a growling stomach.

Two charities in Hanford, the Salvation Army and the Episcopal Church, are life saviors for Joe and dozens of other low-income and homeless people, providing them with ready-to-eat breakfasts and lunches to fill their empty bellies and shrink the drain on their pinched-up wallets. The charities provide a safety net that secures them not only with hot food throughout much of the week but also tight-knit friendships that they otherwise wouldn't make.

"If these charities didn't serve breakfast and lunch, I couldn't make it," said Joe, after wolfing down six hot pancakes at the Salvation Army. "I'd be hungry all day, and lots of people would be suicidal."




Indeed, for those interviewed for this story, many say that they'd starve if the Salvation Army and the Episcopal Church didn't serve hot meals. Some are without food stamps and earnings whatsoever, squeezed outside the workforce by layoffs or by their own crippling disabilities. Others, eking a living on poverty-level incomes, rely on the charities for breakfast and lunch to save them money that would otherwise drain their skinny wallets. In most cases, the savings help keep their air conditioner blasting amid the summer heat, their children's bellies full and their cars' engines humming. All say they befriend people facing financial hardship, not shunned as they are by a society that adores the rich, famous and powerful.

For many, dining at the Salvation Army and Episcopal Church soup kitchen have become a daily ritual, complete with waiting in line for a heaping plate of hot food, served with American delicacies like apple pie, chicken noodle soup and hot dogs. They dine inside on tables with friends like themselves -- those facing poverty.

Experts say soup kitchens provide a lifesaving safety net for those who can't put food on the table.

"Having access to hot food at soup kitchens is important for those who can't afford food," said Robin Maria DeLugan, an assistant professor of anthropology at UC Merced and an expert on quality-of-life issues in the Central Valley. "That's one way to address food insecurity."

Central Valley stands out from the rest of the nation because the farm-rich region falls short on key indicators of well-being like median income, education level, graduation rates and those medically insured. Parts of the Central Valley, including Kings County, have been dubbed the "Appalachia of the West" with its sky-high poverty rates, low-education level and, in some cases, lifestyles bordering on the Third World. As a result, local charities like the Episcopal Church have stepped up to the plate to serve as an even more important safety net to those who fall through the cracks than nonprofit organizations in richer parts of the nation.

"I've been amazed with the energy that community-based organizations in the Valley have shown in working together to address complex issues like food insecurity," DeLugan said.

Indeed, several nonprofit organizations in Hanford routinely provide free noncooked foods, including St. Vincent's DePaul, Community Action and the Kings Pantry in Hanford. But only the Salvation Army and the Episcopal Church dish out hot meals, crucial for the homeless who don't have kitchens and utensils to pop open and boil a can of soup. The Salvation Army serves breakfast Monday through Friday, and the church provides lunch Monday through Saturday.

"If it wasn't for the soup kitchen, lots of people would starve over time or steal food," said Deidre Smith, 30, a volunteer at the Episcopal Church.

Often the disabled rely on the Salvation Army and the Episcopal Church the most because they barely have enough money to provide themselves shelter. Their disability insurance just isn't enough money to provide a sustainable lifestyle, even with MediCal. According to those interviewed, all get below $890 a month in disability insurance, just enough for a typical one-bedroom apartment in Hanford along with utilities. But that leaves little for food. As a result, the church's soup kitchen and the Salvation Army help to stave off their hunger.

Christina Garcia, 28, of Hanford, is one of the disabled regulars at the church's soup kitchen.

"If it wasn't for this place, I'd be hungry," said Garcia, who sleeps in a garage at night and roams around Hanford's Civic Park by day.

She suffers from a crippling version of schizophrenia and depression, as well as borderline mental retardation. She reads at the level of a fifth-grader, resulting in her spelling and reading only the most basic materials. She's been rushed in and out of mental hospitals throughout her adulthood, ravaged by demons in her mind.

Life has been rough for Garcia, who gets $772 a month in disability insurance. When she was little, her mom whipped a belt every day across Garcia's face. Garcia was left with purple bruises and red lashes imbedded on her face. And her mom once nearly stabbed her with a knife.

"I hate her," Garcia said. "I wished she died. She ruined my life. She caused me to have scars in my heart."

To ease her depression and pain, Garcia sometimes would slash her wrists, leaving blood to drip all over. She even almost shot herself with a gun.

"I hate my life," Garcia said.

Nurses once pinned her down on a bed, pulling her flailing arms away after she tried to slash her wrists. She doesn't take medications to fight the demons prowling her mind. Instead, she drinks alcohol to soothe her symptoms.

As a child, she grew up with an imaginary friend -- a frog -- whom she would tell every pain she'd suffer. He'd offer a safe place for her to vent her feelings.

"Instead of cutting myself up, I'd talk to him," she said.

Now when she begs strangers for help, they turn their backs away.

"They look at me as if I have some kind of disease and as if I'm crazy," she said.

But at the soup kitchen, she says guests are lovable and warm, willing to view her heart, not her symptoms and impoverished lifestyle. She's able to make friends, with whom she spends time under the sun and on the grass at Hanford's Civic Park during the day. At the soup kitchen, her disease and her disabilities melt away. For a brief moment, she's been accepted.

Outside of the soup kitchen, though, life is cold.

"When I'm like this, I don't understand why people are so mean," she said.

Not all visitors to the soup kitchen are disabled.

Ralph Contreras, 39, is a perfectly healthy visitor, who lives with his girlfriend and four children, crammed in a one-bedroom apartment in Hanford. Curtains partition the living room, helping them to sleep at night. And when the weather sizzles outside, their swamp cooler reduces the temperature inside.

At his last job, Contreras, who only graduated from middle school, worked maintenance at a local theater, making minimum wage without benefits.

Ever since he was laid off five years ago, he's applied to work at scores of retailers and markets in Hanford, from Wal-Mart to Target and from Dollar Tree to Food Co.

"Nobody wants to hire me," he said. "I've put numerous applications in."

Eating out means splurging on dollar-meal deals at fast-food restaurants like McDonald's and Burger King only once in a while. They never leave Kings County -- not even to visit Fresno -- in order to save gas.

"What do we do there?" asked Contreras. "We're broke."

Contreras drives a 1995 Ford Taurus, with 140,000 miles on it. A foot-long dent on the right side of the car gleams with silver.

"I have no money to fix it," he said.

The Contreras household communicates with the outside world only by face-to-face contact. They neither have phones nor Internet.

Contreras and his girlfriend, Rene Rodriguez, 35, a baby-sitter, dine at the church's soup kitchen in order to save money for feeding their children.

Before discovering the soup kitchen, Contreras and Rodriguez, who both have nothing in the bank, would sometimes starve for a few days, all in an effort to save money. The couple would drink water to stave off their stomachs' growls.

Rodriguez, who only finished high school, pulls in at most $400 a month and gets by with food stamps, most of which is used to buy food for her children.

For Contreras and his family, stepping into the Hanford Mall is forbidden. Instead, they buy clothes at the flea market. Even shopping at Super Wal-Mart, renowned for its deals, is a luxury.

There are people worse off than the Contreras household. Contreras says he befriends people at the soup kitchen who have sunk deeper into poverty than him. Contreras sometimes opens his doors to these friends, allowing them to shower and spend a couple nights at his apartment.

"My life is rich," Contreras said. "I consider myself blessed."

The reporter can be reached at 583-2423.

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Sad country statecounty town of affairs wrote on Aug 24, 2008 8:36 AM:

" Who can deny these American's a place to congregate, share fellowship, fill their hunger pangs which are physical and emtional?

American have rights to pursue happiness.What gets my goat is that there are so many dollars funded agressively, sanctioned and spent freely on non-American's within this country and especially this valley!

How is it the that scores of illegal families live comfotably unscathed by the social issues that are affecting so many real citizens?The illegal sector of the population are able to receive huge discounts on rent, live in specially marked apartments in area's of the valley designated for migrants within high concentration towns targeted by Agri-business.They receive medi-cal, food stamps, access to education for their children, free college, tuition, books and living expenses.

Does the country believe they deserve care over real Ameircan citizen and rate better?

This article mentions the other factors of "mental illness," unaddressed issues of ensuring medication is taken faithfully by these consumers, who really need long term care on an ongoing bases.

In this political climate the homeless rate left of zero attention, deplorably they pose no gain to a capitalistic society! "

dose wrote on Aug 24, 2008 11:08 AM:

" Put another checkmark in the win column for republican economic policies. I sure hope mccain becomes our next president so we can continue to hear these stories of financial success here in America. "

W.O.W. wrote on Aug 24, 2008 12:31 PM:

" A shame on our rich society. Even with its abuses we should not have good, unfortunate folks go hungry every night. Religion aside, the institutions mentioned in this article deserve our support. "

the Civic wrote on Aug 24, 2008 2:10 PM:

" I hate to say it, but the Civic has become a dangerous place during the day. I won't even let me kids go to the teen center anymore. Just two weeks ago as I was sitting at one of the picnic tables waiting for my kids in the teen center, a group of homeless people came over and started harnessing me and my 3 months old baby. Said I was sitting at "their" table and then the one lady who looked to be in her 30's kicked the empty stroller over and taking a couple oranges I had in the bottom rack when I refused to leave. When I walked over to the police station I was told that it is a public gathering spot and they couldn't do anything about it! The next day, the same group came by making a point of walking over my blanket spread on the ground between me and my daughter, this time kicking her diaper bag into the fountain. Hard to be empathetic right now. "

dose wrote on Aug 24, 2008 2:54 PM:

" Our economy is so bad that international criminals no longer want to use U.S. currency in their illegal activities.

OTTAWA (AFP) – The weakened US dollar has fallen out of favor with organized crime groups to pay for drug shipments or to settle scores, a Canadian government report said Friday.

And if the greenback continues its slide in 2008, as expected, more and more criminals are likely to exchange euros for illicit goods, said Criminal Intelligence Service Canada in its annual report.

"The US dollar weakened significantly against other major currencies in 2007 and according to some economists, is expected to depreciate further in 2008," said the report.

"As a consequence, other currencies -- particularly the euro -- are poised to weaken the US dollar's dominance as the currency of choice for international remittances and payments," it said.

"This trend could also drive an increase in observed instances of bulk-cash transfers denominated in currencies other than Canadian and US dollars," the report added.

http://news.yahoo.com/story//afp/20080822/wl_canada_afp/canadauseucrimemoney_080822212441

Thanks george bush for getting criminals to stop using our money by destroying the American economy. "

Hard times... wrote on Aug 24, 2008 4:51 PM:

" It's a sad situation that a lot of these people are in. There are the ones that need medical help and there are ones that are trying to make it but just can't seem to succeed.

Something that I have been seeing a lot of lately is all of the homeless people congregating at the Civic park. This bothers me because it takes away from the family atmosphere and business friendliness that our downtown needs to project. Instead of feeling sorry for ourselves, how about holding a workshop on appearance and working for doing better with our lives? "

Hard times continued... wrote on Aug 24, 2008 4:56 PM:

" I'm sure that the Soup Kitchen and a long list of others would be willing to partake in a build-your-self workshop. I think that people settle too easily with the way things are at times and don't challenge themselves to do more. It's always easier to blame someone else or the state of the nation. Anything worth having is never easy to obtain and this is something that I think needs to be put onto the backs of these "poverish" and homeless. A little responsibility goes a long way.

The ones that don't need the medical help; you're at rock bottom... the perfect place to build a foundation to build from. Beat your addictions and excuses and start living. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 24, 2008 6:09 PM:

" I am about to decide that we should form a group of clerics to operate and manage our disaster relief funds. I am dead serious, they seem to be able to respond quicker, with more complete care for our citizens in need, than the so called government professionals. The only problem is you'd never get athiest to contribute to the war chest to combat disease, hunger and emergencies. I guess we could just take a way all their Christmas Bonuses to pay for it.

I often donate to the Salvation Army, AMVETS and USO because I know in those organizations the majority of the dollar is spent on the one's they care for and help, not wasted on administration costs, or over paid CFO's.

I think what these organization's do is exceptional and we should do all we can do to support them. I would much rather donate to these organizations who provide a viewable service as to chuck it down the hole called the Kings County Welfare Department.

SSI was not designed to help these people other institutions should be supplementing their monthly incomes, to ensure they have a roof and food. "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 24, 2008 6:13 PM:

" dose' my god man does everything wrong with the world and the country come down to the Republican Government. Need I remind you, that you have a Democratic majority in Congress and you still can't get anything done? What's wrong with the Democrats not staying and working on energy and health relief for this country. Now next week will be a bust with all of them at the DNC instead of working in Congress. What they trying to goof off the rest of the year?

Point fingers at both parties for not working together to accomplish what needs to be done. But raising taxes on people making 32K a year or more is not the answer and that is what NObama wants to do. NObama is NO Candidate! Hillary will defeat him in the up and down vote. "

DaTruth wrote on Aug 24, 2008 7:18 PM:

" These are sad stories however, there is more than enough money going towards social programs today. As it's been stated, if they took all the money given to illegals, we could put up all off our truly sick people for life. Now many, many homeless people (most) are drug addicts, this is the honest truth. Most who live on the streets do so by choice, and would chose their dope over food any day of the week. Most all the people who beg for spare change, and hold up signs around 12th Ave are simply drug addicts who have chosen their lifestyle. In typical fashion, people tug at your heart strings to get what they want...

Dose, to blame these people's woes on the President is ridiculous. There has always been homeless people, regardless of the President's political party. Your man Obama will tax the little business man to death, and thus put more people out of work. How long have all these social programs been in tact, yet things have not got any better. I mean your Democrats are in control of Sacramento, and look what kind of growning debt they have our state in... "

To the Civic wrote on Aug 24, 2008 9:34 PM:

" You know what the sad thing is? If we collectively went down there as residents of this town and kicked the bums out of the park we'd be in trouble. They'd find a way to punish us for reclaiming our area because we all have something to lose.

Let the word get out that the people wanting our sympathy are treating our residents like this and there will be no problem getting residents downtown to rid the problem our PD won't do. What a shame... those traffic cops should park the motorcycles and save the gas. Start patrolling the downtown area on foot and chasing away the bums. Going green... saving the taxpayers money... and getting some exercise. What a great idea! :-) "

Devils Advocate wrote on Aug 24, 2008 10:17 PM:

" I liked this article - way better than the first one. It did a great job of demonstrating the difference between a need and a lack of comfort. Mentally-ill and unable to function is significantly different than can't keep a job due to showing up late.
God bless the Salvation Army and the Episcopal Church for the work they are doing. These are wonderful programs and are truly worthy of our support. Please consider how you might be able to help.
Dose, you've sunk to a new low. I get wanting to make political statements (we all do in a political season), but so crassly and ineffectually bringing irrelevant issues into this particluar discussion doesn't do anything but show your willingness to USE anyone and anything for your goals. Republicans don't cause schizophrenia, or encourage ritualistic child abuse. Stealing even a little bit of light being shined on a genuine issue truly needing our attention is the heigth of selfishness. Sorry I have to call you on crossing over the human decency line - I read and appreciate most of your comments - so I know you're better than this. "

dose wrote on Aug 25, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Devil's Advocate:
I appreciate where you are coming from, now I will explain to you where I am coming from. The reason why I bring up republicans in all of these articles is because you can trace just about all of societey's ills directly back to republican policy and legislation. They are the reason why families with two full-time working parents have to sign up for welfare. They are the reason why people with full-time jobs have to treat themselves at home with sometime dangerous home remedies because they can't afford health insurance. They are the reason that people who work full-time as cashiers, cooks, waiters/waitresses are losing their homes. Now I know that interjecting these issues into local Hanford problems is a bit of a strecth. But you must be able to see that everytime we have a Democratic president who moves our country forward three steps a republican president comes in and moves us five steps back. I will not apoligize for my disgust with the shameless, gutless, republican party. We can stop all of this by turning republicans into a minority third party in our political system. "

JeanB wrote on Aug 25, 2008 10:16 AM:

" "Appalachia of the West" with its sky-high poverty rates, low-education level and, in some cases, lifestyles bordering on the Third World"
Can someone explain how these two articles explained why folks are calling the valley Applalachia of the West? I have read both stories and do not get the sense that we get a clear explanation of the situation in the valley. These examples stated in the article do not explain the low education and poverty in the valley. "

Joe Friday wrote on Aug 25, 2008 11:16 AM:

" What seems to be lost on some writing in here is the nexus between drug abuse and mental illness. I've read comments like "Most all the people who beg for spare change, and hold up signs around 12th Ave are simply drug addicts who have chosen their lifestyle."

Many, if not most of the homeless in our society are mentally ill. They did not "choose" to be this way, for mental illness is not a "lifestyle". To be bi-polar or schizophrenic is not a choice anyone makes anymore than one chooses to get cancer.

I agree with others, may God bless the Salvation Army, Episcopal Church and all the organizations that help these folks. They help keep them alive but I believe the root of the problem cannot be addressed simply by giving them food.

Our society needs to address the mental health issues that cause so many of these folks to self medicate with alcohol or other drugs. Treatment of mental illness and reducing homelessness go hand in hand. It is not a republican or democrat problem it is an American problem that we can only address by working together. "

Will A wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:42 PM:

" The Working Poor...

How many of these folks were the working poor? Ray Joe had mental problem, Garcia did too. Why didn't Contraras finish High School? Garcia wonders why people are so mean outside of the shelter when she asks them for money. Maybe it's because she blows it on booze? I understand she's got some real problems, so alcohol is the answer? What's that?

It's not that I'm unsympathetic, but I've been working poor for the vast majority of my adult life, and before I was working, I was just poor. I got in the military, used it for my education, and now I'm doing a lot better, and it should just keep better. Know why? Because I made good decisions.

I believe that the "working poor" have pride. Handouts are all well and good when we need them, and we need those safety nets, but I've ran into far too many homeless/poor folks that just scam all day long and do stupid things with/to their own selves. Nobody to blame but themselves.

Don't give Cash "

Angie wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:56 PM:

" To Civic- Wow, are you serious? These people treated you like this and HPD wouldn't do anything about it? That is unbelievable! I bet if you would have surprised them with a kick in the behind you would be in jail.
Shame on you HPD!
Yeah, I'm all for helping out the needy, but some of these people are mentally unstable. A couple of years ago a homeless man came up to me and my girls and started shouting at me. I don't know why because I couldn't understand him but he sure scared my daughters. I had to shout back and tell him to leave us alone. My husband said that was risky because he could of attacked me or something.
Not all homeless people are like this but why is HPD overlooking their frightening behavior? "

Will A wrote on Aug 25, 2008 1:59 PM:

" dose-

I can't really say Republicans aren't gutless and whatever, because frankly I think ALL politicians are to a certain extent. They have a job they want to keep, and to keep that job they have to do the right things, say the right things, and be talking to the right people and all that. It sort of requires that they not go too far out on any limb, lest it break off and then they're done.

What happend to that 100 days promise Pelosi made? It goes both ways. Don't think for a second Democrats are any better.

I may not think highly of Republicrats and Demicans, but I think extremely highly of the Conservative mindset that most Rebulicans are supposed to espouse. After the Bush presidency I've started to think of myself more as a Conservative, not so much as a Republican.

Conservatives believe in limiting govt, and that the public can handle their own problems for the most part. Look at who's taking care of these homeless folks: Charitable organizations may get grant money, but The Salvation Army and the Episcopal church are religious organizations. they are people taking care of their own. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Aug 25, 2008 5:02 PM:

" I hope all here can see the illogic and distaste for historical facts by "dose," who proudly states:

"The reason why I bring up republicans in all of these articles is because you can trace just about all of society's ills directly back to republican policy and legislation."

I guess he can't acknowledge these facts or downright ignores them:

The President who freed the slaves: Republican;
The President who got us out of Vietnam: Republican;
The President who got us out of the Korean Conflict: Republican;
The President who ended the Cold War: Republican.

Vs.

The President who had perverted morally corrupt adulterous sex in the White House and was impeached: Democrat;
The only OTHER President who was impeached (A. Johnson): Democratic until 1864 and after 1869;
The President who got us into WW I: Democrat;
The President who got us into WW II: Democrat;
The President who got us into the Korean Conflict: Democrat;
The President who got us into Vietnam: Democrat.


But why go on . . . thanks "dose" for admitting your prejudice.

Pound for pound (so to speak), you are the most biased of the biased. "

dose wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:11 PM:

" Oh my god alejandro just figured out that I don't like republicans. Man you gotta wake up pretty early in the morning to get one by alejandro. How did you ever figure me out, I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you meddling republicans.

Also anyone with even a cursory knowlege of political science will tell you that until the mid 1800's the republican and Democratic parties were basically switched. "

Bobb wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:28 PM:

" As I keep reminding people, it is time we hold the media responsible to get the word out about the platforms of some of the alternative parties. They may not have the answers to all of our problems but if more people knew of their solutions it might just get the two major parties to working for the good of the people and not the good of their particular party. The alternative parties never get their theories out to the public because the mainstream press is so enamoured with the major parties. Let us hear from ALL of the candidates. "

JUSTICE wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:36 PM:

" TO THE CIVIC,
WHEN DOES THIS USUALLY HAPPEN? YOU DONT HAVE TO TOLERATE THAT REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE POLICE DEPT TOLD YOU... WHEN DOES THIS OCCUR IM PLANNING ON VISITING THE PARK MYSELF.... "

DaTruth wrote on Aug 25, 2008 10:02 PM:

" Dose is so far off base, it is scary to think people are this naive. The reason today's family cannot make it, with both parents working, is because they are over taxed... plain and simple. To blame this on the Republican party is ludicrous. It's big government that has created our mess, and who supports big government?

As with Will A, I consider myself a conservative more than a Republican. A NBC Dateline story showed, the overwhelming contributors to charities and donations to the poor come from conservatives Christian groups. So how can you claim the Democrats are so perfect when theyre bases goes against what most Christian groups believe?

Sorry to dispute you Joe Friday, but I know first hand that most homeless people are drug addicts. Yes, most of them claim some mental illness... but who cant be diagnosed with a mental illness today? Im all for getting the truly sick people some help, but youre kidding yourself if you dont believe drugs and alcohol is the root of most homeless people's problems. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:01 AM:

" To dose: You never did come back on another blog about who governs the top 10 cities under the poverty level, and how long the Democrats have been running (or should I say ruining) to cities vice the number in that top 10 that are under Repulican rule and how many years the Republicans have actually been in charge of those years. Check out the facts and please respond (Glenn Beck website might help some). And don't say he is Repulican, he like Will A and myself consider ourselves conservative. We are for smaller government, allowing companies to make a profit (capitalism) and for everyone contributing their fair share. Why should I work hard so someone who has just as much ability as me can continously get a free hand out. You all jump in about WDF or myself waiting for our handout of SSI, but guess what, I have been contributing into that since the 60's, how about all them illegals that get it? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:05 AM:

" To dose: contoinued. I guess the other difference between you DEMS and us Conservatives/Republicans is that we can admit that we are human and make mistakes. It is only the Democrats that are sinless and without fault that will save this nation. Another question that I asked you, for I don't know the answer, and I am not trying to say that either party is right for it, but how many large corporations are owned by Democrats and how many by Republicans. Another fact that I would like you dig up, since you seem to have the time that I don't, is who are the richest members of congress and whar are their party affiliations? Thanks for reponding to and with only the facts, forget all of the political hyperbole, I won't change you and you sure won't change me by your tunnel vision. "

Christina wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:50 AM:

" it is so sad that this is what Kings County has become. Third World living is not something we should be proud of having in this great state. Im a native of Hanford and left for different reasons, but to shed light to these conditions is heart breaking. Those people ignoring or turning their backs on the problem may one day be faced with those same problems. Treat others as you would like to be treated. Isn't that the golden rule? What happened where we cannot love one another as brothers or sisters? I pray that the people that are elected to run that district pay attention to the real issues and fix the problem. Speak up hanford...make them see the problem for all it is. Dont allow them to sugar coat it and make it seem as though it is not that bad, because by what I just read it really is. "

jeff wrote on Aug 26, 2008 9:23 AM:

" I completely agree with Will, politicians on either side do what is best for them not what is best for the people they represent. I also agree that traditional Republican values are great, less taxes, more civil liberties, small government and small business. These are ideals I can stand behind the problem is no Republican I know of in office does anything to promote these ideas. I’m not real sure what traditional Democrat values are. It seems to me the Democratic school of thought is “Let somebody else do it”. I do generally think Democrats cause less issues but not because they’re better people or have better values, it’s because they don’t really know how to do anything to begin with. Just look at how they might get John McCain elected with the whining from the Hillary crowd. "

The Anti Right Winger wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:54 AM:

" ALEJANDRO wrote on Aug 25, 2008 7:02 PM
"The President who freed the slaves: Republican;"
"The President who got us into WW I: Democrat;"

The problem with statements like this flow from the lack of historical context. The Republican party in the 19th and early 20th century was the most liberal of the two major political parties. I find it refreshing Alejandro that you would sing the praises of liberals. The political leanings of the party of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt bears little resemblance to the GOP of today. "

Devils Advocate wrote on Aug 26, 2008 11:49 AM:

" Seriously folks, does this have to turn into another Rep vs Dem contest? Haven't we hijacked enough forums for that? "

Joe Friday wrote on Aug 26, 2008 1:16 PM:

" Devils Advocate wrote on Aug 26, 2008 1:49 PM:
" Seriously folks, does this have to turn into another Rep vs Dem contest?

I agree, as stated in my earlier post the root of most homelessness and addiction is mental illness not politics. Mental Illness is a problem that touches people across the political spectrum. Get involved and help bring about change folks!

I read the words of lot's of passionate people in these blogs, I would challenge my fellow bloggers to put that energy to use. Volunteer at the Salvation Army, Episcopal Church or any other organization that is trying to make a difference in peoples lives. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Aug 26, 2008 2:12 PM:

" Right on, Devils Advocate . . . as you and "dose" started the Dem. vs. Repub. exchange in the first place, I shouldn't have barged in with my stupid historical facts. Mea culpa.

Back on topic, this well-written article leaves us with what solution exactly?

Will the 'working poor's' lot be corrected with the 200 to 300 jobs that some here (Co. officer Spikes and blogger Carl Spackler) applaud by building that Prisoner Re-Entry facility in our backyard?

Will better mental health facilities and treatment modalities for the mentally ill poor and homeless eradicate or greatly reduce the problem?

Will bigger and more expensive government bureaucracies and programs help at all?

What is the right thing to do, folks? "

working poor corrected post wrote on Aug 26, 2008 4:20 PM:

" I am on the very cusp, working two different jobs to keep me and my kids afloat. I do not have a car but rely on the bus and my bike to get me around. Twice in the past 8 days I was unable to ride the bus TO MY JOB because of the pair of homeless that hang around wal mart that use the bike racks on the bus to ride around for cool air. They don't even pay for their rides! If they are not using up the bike racks, they sit at wal mart bus stop bothering people there for money or talking on their cells phones, yes I said cell phones, or sitting sideways on the bus taking up three seats to put their feet up while the rest of us have to stand. I can't afford a pet or eat at el pollo loco either, but they seem to be making out okay sitting there in the middle of the median with the cute little brown weiner dog panhandling and munching on chicken plates. "

Chris wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:22 PM:

" I for one cannot blame democrats, republicans, or any other political party. What it boils down to is people who think they can lead people and the results, as is evident, is dismal. The government (all parties mind you) has always doled out the money to many other countries in "aid" when we ourselves have many going hungry. We need to solve our own problems before we go off solving anyone elses. When those of us working poor would be better off quitting our jobs "

Chris wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:25 PM:

" Cont.
and going on welfare because we are working to make enough money to pay for babysitting, gas to get to work and if we are lucky pay all our bills. And of course because we "choose" to work everyday and not live off the system, we don't qualify for food stamps to help make it to the end of the month to our next paycheck, or help with childcare costs, but those who "choose" not to work just hold out their hands and it is handed to them, that really makes me mad! "

kenneth wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:48 PM:

" if california would spend less on inmates getting better medical care than the homeless, and help provide jobs such as farm work or bringing jobs back to californians life would improve. also remember who the new minority is. more jobs and less welfare. "

Omega wrote on Aug 27, 2008 11:53 AM:

" So someone answer me a simple question. How do illegals get benefits without any legal documents?
You know in order to get any type of aid you at least need a SS number... "

Angie wrote on Aug 27, 2008 3:50 PM:

" To Omega-
They either buy a social security card and assume that identity or use their name and buy a fake ss card thinking the welfare system doesn't check.
Eventually they are caught. "

to Omega wrote on Aug 27, 2008 4:03 PM:

" I am a former county worker and the way we did it was the county generates pseudo ss number so they can get medi-cal and foodstamps. A picture is taken for all applicants. If you apply for cash, you get fingerprinted, but not so for medi-cal and foodstamps. It is not unheard of for one person to have 3 or 4 cases open getting foodstamps for each case, in some cases up to $700 a month. Multiply that by 4 cases a month and you can see why it is better off to be illegal and not have a ss number here in kings county "

CHRISTINA wrote on Aug 27, 2008 4:38 PM:

" TO OMEGA... THE ANSWER TO YOUR VERY REAL QUESTION IS BECAUSE THEY COME HERE ILLEGALLY AND GET A SSN FOR WORK PURPOSES, THEN GO AND GET AID. THE SYSTEM SUCKS FOR THOSE OF US PUTTING INTO SOCIAL SECURITY AND PAYING TAXES WHILE THOSE OF THEM WHO COME HERE ILLEGALLY AND GET FREE AID. TO ME WE SHOULD HELP OURS AND LET THEM HELP THEIRS. UNFORTUNATELY, THE SYSTEM IN PLACE DOES NOT AGREE WITH THAT. AND IM NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE MEXICANS. ITS PEOPLE FROM ALL NATIONS, ALL WALKS OF LIFE. WE HAVE IRANI NATIONALS COMING HERE CLAIMING AMNESTY AND OPENING THEIR OWN BUSINESSES WHILE STILL BEING AIDED IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM FROM OUR COUNTRY..... IT SUCKS BUT WHAT CAN WE DO?? "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Aug 27, 2008 5:00 PM:

" To: ALEJANDRO wrote on Aug 26, 2008 4:12 PM:
I had to get that to in there I don't want you blamed for my comments. But I think I've hit on a solution. We hire the homeless guys at the Wal~mart. We send several immigration buses to the West side and pick up all the illegals. Then we send several bus loads of inmates to take their place in the fields and let the Wal~mart homeless guys be their supervisors. That way we can prove we have a reason to build the re-entry center on the west side and everyone is happy. Especially the homeless guys. If the farmer's need some signs made the homeless guys/gals can do that for him. Then we will hold them to their word about "will work for food" and that is how we can pay them. The prisoners get 38 cents an hour the cost of produce goes down, the illegal immigration is solved and their replacements are working the fields before they are deported. That way the prisoners have a trade they can use in any agricultural state in the union. "

Angie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:06 AM:

" To Omega-
The pseudo numbers are for emergency Medi-Cal only.
If you don't have an alien card you are not entitled to foodstamps or cash. "

Angie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:08 AM:

" To Christina-
A social security card alone does not automatically qualify you for benefits. Please inform yourself before judging "

Carl Spackler wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:50 AM:

" Anyone know the story on that blonde lady that walks all over town sometimes carrying a sleeping bag. She's usually walking in the heat ot the day all parched and sunburn looking. "

CHRISTINA wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:48 PM:

" TO ANGIE- IF YOUR POSITIVE ON THAT THEN EXPLAIN TO ALL OF US HERE HOW EXACTLY IT HAPPENS. AND WHO SAYS IM JUDGING? GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE MAKING COMMENTS LIKE THAT! "

Angie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:10 PM:

" To Christina- You're judging because your assuming that the "immigrant looking" person walking out of the welfare office or paying with an EBT card is an illegal immigrant. You haven't a clue as to what documentation is needed to recieve benefits yet you assumed all you need is a social security card. I got my facts straight, lady.
How about you? "

Angie wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:13 PM:

" To Carl Spackler-
I bought her lunch one day and asked her if she needed a ride to a womens home that was run by a local church a couple of years ago where she could stay until she could get on her feet. She denied that she was homeless. That's all I know about her. "

Blue Falcon wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:21 PM:

" Hanford really needs to start addressing their homeless populations a bit more seriously! For any homeless person that is a Veteran, there are services out there for them. All they need to do is show proof they served. If they cannot show that proof because they don't have the documents any longer to prove it, the local VA office in the Government Center can help acquire copies of them so they can get the help they need.

As far as none veteran homeless, my heart goes out to you because the community does little to support you. With that said, shelter could be available... all it takes is the city of Hanford to contact the California Army National Guard...The National Guard Armory sitting on Florinda and 11th is no longer an active army. There are no drilling national guard soldiers that drill there any longer. The only NG soldiers that you may see there would be the recruiters, whom deserve a better place to work out of. Many communities already have their NG Armories open to the homeless and provide "soup kitchens" there as well. It's time to make it happen City Counsel/Community! "

Blue Falcon wrote on Aug 28, 2008 8:26 PM:

" CONT - with that said, I do believe in some cases the California Army National Guard will even sale non active armories back to the communities... are you ready for this... possibly just for $1 (one dollar). I believe the armory in either Reedley or Dinuba (I can't remember which city has one) was sold to that city for just $1.

Why so cheap you may ask... because two things happen with Armories that sit. Vandalism starts to take place and/or they start to become eye sores because the maintenance on them degrades (sort of like our armory). Once it belongs to the city, then you can have your juvenile criminals go there on the weekends to clean the place up, mow the lawn, etc... "

CJ wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:28 PM:

" You need to remember that the parents who are ileagal can still go and apply for aid for their children .As long as their children as born in the U.S they can recieve benifits for them.
Not all of them are ileagals either. Go and look for yourselves. Many are white mother's who apply for aid.
A mother can live off aid, and be in a low income housing , and support her children in Kings County. I see it happen all the time, and know people who are not working poor, and are still able to live off the system , making ends meet.
Their the ones to question. They have never worked , and do not have to. The State has made it easy for them not to. Their are limits for cash aid, however, many find a way around that. All they need is a doctor's note, stating they have to be hime taking care of a sick child, or they have back problems !
These people are not dumb. They know how to get AID, and not do anything to improve themselves. "

LunchBox wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:18 PM:

" There is a big sign in downtown Hanford that says, "Job Fair September 11 at the Hanford Civic Auditorium." Or you can look for a job in the Hanford Sentienel. They have a big classified ad. Also if you don't want to work you can just go to school and possibly qualify for financial aid. Hopefully this can big a big step back into earning a paycheck. Good Luck too all. "

Paul wrote on Aug 31, 2008 11:54 PM:

" To Blue Falcon... Thanks for the info on Homeless Vets. There are many vets that need our help and so few know what they have to do or even if they can do it at all. Many are scared to try looking for help or if they even qualify. But I have pointed many a veteran in that direction. Thanks for your help.
To WDF this may help you with your problem of others not being able to somehow find your records of time in service. Pretty simple, write for a copy of your records and when you receive it go and start your process. About four years ago, my brother in law who WAS in the Navy was given the ok to start receiving treatment at the VA hospital for Agent Orange exposure. He didn't have to look for other people to prove that he was on a ship. He has a host of health issues. Too bad the money he's getting won't help him led a happy life. Especially at his age. "

Lilly Munster wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:15 PM:

" I know who the "blonde lady" is. Knew she from school. She is always clean. Changes her clothes and has a debt card that she can use at 7/11. Her family takes care of her. Never seen her beg or bother anyone. She choses to be were she is. "




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