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Proposed budget cuts could impact public safety

Budget woes facing Kings County are forcing officials to consider eliminating about eight full-time equivalent jobs, a majority of them in the county's public safety agencies. But decision-makers are still gathering their thoughts behind such a cost-cutting measure after the leaders of both fire and sheriff's departments made their case Monday during the budget session, contending that these cuts go too deep for safety's sake.

Though largely sympathetic to Jim Kilner and Chris Jordan, the Kings County Board of Supervisors didn't make an immediate decision on these budget items administrators are recommending to trim. It tabled the matter until a later date.

"They are sympathetic to the issues associated with proposed reductions, and they want the staff to continue to look at that and figure out what can be done to mitigate the impacts of those changes," said County Administrative Officer Larry Spikes. "Of course, everybody recognizes this is all subject to change when they have the state budget."

On Monday, the supervisors began a lengthy, painstaking process of reviewing final changes to its spending plan for the coming fiscal year as the California budget impasse hit Day 56 after deadline.

Kings County is now looking at a $239 million budget -- some $24 million more than what was proposed before the end of the last fiscal year. Officials say fund balances resulting from incomplete work in human services and capital projects had to be rolled over.




This year's budget shows a growth of about $17 million compared with last year's $222 million, placing the general fund expenditures at $170 million, a 5.7 percent increase from last year's $161.3 million.

Much of the $9.2 million growth stems from expansion in mental health funding and road funding, according to the budget document. There was a $880,000 general fund revenue growth, but that's not enough to offset inflation, officials say.

As a result, the budget still calls for downsizing the Armona Fire Station by staffing it with one person during the day rather than two. The cut would delete three full-time jobs in the fire apparatus engineer position.

If adopted as proposed, the budget would also cut three deputy sheriff's jobs assigned to patrolling the Santa Rosa Rancheria and scratch out the two animal shelter technician positions being requested as part of the animal services overhaul.

The proposed cuts are a "proactive" way to deal with the current budget problems, but also future county needs amid an ongoing state budget crisis which has no end in sight, Spikes said.

"We're looking down the road thinking this is going to be a multi-year problem we have to deal with," Spikes said. "We have to make some reductions upfront, but we're also going to have to be mindful of the fact that we're going to be adding to our jail and having to staff that."

Officials say there will be no layoffs. Meanwhile, the county remains on a "soft" hiring freeze by not filling positions that go vacant.

But cuts could go deeper for fire and sheriff. The county's two priority departments together represent more than 20 percent of the $170 million county general fund. Public safety -- nearly 59 percent of the county general fund -- is a fast-growing segment of the budget.

Kilner, the fire chief, said the rising costs of operation -- such as a 20 percent increase in the cost of running dispatch -- is squeezing the fire department budget.

"This year, there's no money to fall back on. We're absolutely having to look for other means. That's why we need some help from the county," he said.

But downsizing Armona isn't the answer, Kilner says.

"Is it the best way to do it? No. Armona is a busy station," Kilner said, adding that any person working in one station is a "hinge pin to the operation" because resources are shared throughout the county in times of need.

Supervisor Alene Taylor said she is against deleting the three fire personnel, although others reached no conclusion.

Sheriff Chris Jordan urged county leaders to restore the $250,000 allocation from the tribal mitigation fees, a traditional fair share the department has received to fund three deputy sheriff positions.

With the Indian gaming money being stopped by the governor's veto, county administrators are proposing to allocate the whole $900,000 from the tribe to the fire department.

"We provide essential services to them, and I believe that they should continue to fund some of our operation," Jordan said. "We recognize that the reservation is an entity in itself and the largest employer in the county and a center of major detainments in the county. These things are a drain of resources. We believe the portion that has been set aside for our department should be maintained."

Currently, these three positions are not filled, although sheriff's officials say they are close to being filled. Jordan said the expectation for law enforcement grows at ever-expanding tribal land and its casino operations.

Supervisor Tony Oliveira agreed.

"All the citizens who are out there, the citizens, are expecting your responses ...," Oliveira said. "The safety aspect of it continues to be a challenge. Unfortunately, there's not a tax or fee mechanism to pay for it except through the relationship we have with the tribe. So I have some real compassion for public safety out there."

For the animal shelter issue, director Teri Rockhold said the two additional technicians would help make the shelter a seven-day-a-week operation while freeing up an animal control officer, reducing the public use of controversial drop boxes and launching public education programs. "We're one of the very few counties in California that are not open on weekends," she said.

But that would cost the county almost $90,000 more to operate the shelter. Spikes said cities might be doing their own animal control, and if they do, adding more personnel and operation hours may be an overkill.

The reporter can be reached at 583-2429.

(Aug. 26, 2008)

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The Oracle Says... wrote on Aug 26, 2008 12:42 PM:

" Exactly what I said would happen is happening...Public safety gets cut first. WHY? Why are there no cuts to social services? Why do we as the public not DEMAND that our public services not be cut? Its your family and mine safety at risk, yet we will allow cuts to be made, all the while welfare recipients, illegals, first 5, free lunch, etc go on as usual. WHY? This cannot keep happening. So, what are we going to do about it? Most likely, nothing. We will just watch our state govt. try and raise our taxes to cover 15 BILLION of debt, while we cant staff our fire and law enforcment. All the while, illegals get their full share. Im sick of it, and most people I know are sick of it. So I ask again, what are you prepared to do about it? After all, its only our lives at risk. Lets see, public safety VS illegals welfare benefits...Hmmmmm, let me think.... "

W.O.W. wrote on Aug 26, 2008 12:53 PM:

" Public Safety should include the Public's economic well being also.

We are in a recession. The Board should do what's right and make the fire and sherif's department tighten their economic belts also.

The general public resents suffering economically while the "elite" in our community know no such stress. "

AMAZING wrote on Aug 26, 2008 1:33 PM:

" something that i find funny we see all these fire chief trucks,suv fully outfitted with graphics lights etc. these thing had to cost a good chunk and they have no water tank or firefighting equipment so being there first responders youd think theyd have a couple hundred gallons of water on board and a hose and a reel uhhhhhh i dont think so.....what are people thinking when they approve this stuff? "

county employee wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:19 PM:

" The county could save alots of money by getting rid of some of the dead weight in the personel it does not take that many people to answer the phone and hand out applications. "

RE AMAZING wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:28 PM:

" Do some homework and find out why there are trucks without water and hose before you comment about them. Do you see the boss at a factory on the floor working a machine. No, he or she is in an office running the bussiness. Its the same for the fire service. "

Joe Friday wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:43 PM:

" W.O.W. wrote on Aug 26, 2008 2:53 PM:
"The general public resents suffering economically while the "elite" in our community know no such stress. "

So I take it you think that County Fire Stations staffed by one firefighter constitutes an "elite" force? Amazing.... "

Problem wrote on Aug 26, 2008 4:54 PM:

" What really affects public safety is the number of qualified verteran deptuies who have left the Sheriff's Office over the past year. 3 positions unfillled is not a big deal-spread over the county-you will never know the difference, people. "

ppg. wrote on Aug 26, 2008 5:07 PM:

" You said it Oracle! The social programs in place now are handouts that create dependency. If some of these people were forced to actually go to work or quit having babies (birth control education) maybe we could cut some of these welfare programs.

We need our public safety people. We pay our taxes here in California on time and in full every year. We should get the services that our taxes help provide. "

Cut the decision makers wrote on Aug 26, 2008 5:23 PM:

" A. To amazing.. you will be happy that if Fire Chief SUV is in front of your home if you ever need them.
B. They need to dismiss all thoughts of cutting emergency services/ public safety. That is ridiculous!
C. SUPERVISORS: Cut you OWN overboard salaries. You do live off the county even though most if not all of you own successful businesses. Neves: You and your he-wife don't need to ride your HOGS all over the place! Take a sacrifice for your county if you care at all!!
D. Cut the entertainment in the jails.(t.v.etc) limit power, etc.. Cut their food back.. bread and water are a lot cheaper.. and these are criminals. How cool do they keep the "cooler"? Turn that thermonstat up!! "

Public safety supporter wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:36 PM:

" Why is mental health and jails are getting our budget, but our public safety personnel, FIRE DEPT and SHERIFF DEPT is suffering and considered in cutbacks. That's crazy. What are they thinking...I'm sure our intelligent Board of Supervisors are looking long and hard for other alternatives. You are talking about our citizen's safety. Station 5 - Armona has been a major hub for Kings County's fire department for many years responding to Armona, Hanford, Lemoore and areas countywide. I urge our taxpaying citizens to stand behind our public safety departments!!! "

To amazing wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:00 PM:

" Check your facts. First, by law, Chiefs (emergency fire personnel) have to have vehicles "outfitted with graphics and lights". They are incident commanders as well as first responders, which would not need to carry water and hose reels since...Second, all Kings County fire stations are equipped with engines that carry a minimum of 700-2,000 gallons of water because of the lack of fire hydrants countywide. Kings County Fire respond to many medical aids and our "chiefs" have equipment to respond and save lives too!! Get your facts straight. "

To W.O.W. wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:06 PM:

" You call our firefighters "elite"...that's correct. How many of you out there are gone from their families and children for days (recently...weeks) to protect families, homes, property from wildfires while getting paid lower than any county in our area. And at any given time, they don't think twice to risk their lives to help you or your loved ones and not think of any consequences from their actions. Not only elite...great men and women who should not have their departments cut first! They love your communities, your citizens and their department. Support them like they support you. "

Here we go wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:38 PM:

" Why is it the casino money can't be split between law enforcement and fire? Why should the $900,000 go to Kilner? Is it because he has too close of a relationship with the reservation/casino? Of course he doesn't want to cut in Armona, Isn't it obvious why? I agree with Oracle, why is public safety always on the block first when we have bottom feeders driving to get their welfare checks in SUV's and sports cars. It is wrong. Governement has a legal obligation to protect its citizens and that must be a priority. Cut programs and fund safety!! BOS and Spikes at it again. Can't wait for a new BOS and new CAO. "

FTNE wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:38 PM:

" The county should tell the reservastion to kick down some cash or provide there own emergency services. Since they want to be there own intity they should be allowed. Would same the county tons of dough. "

Bobb wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:53 PM:

" The reason they cut Public Safety before Social Programs is that they can ask the Public for a SPECIAL SALES TAX increase to enhance fire and police agency's. If they asked for a tax increase for Social Programs it would fail by a landslide. Politicians play the SCARE TACTIC GAME whenever they want more money. Threatening public safety cuts usually gets the job done. "

Billy Buck wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:00 PM:

" Welfare never gets cut becasue none of that money comes directly from us here in in Kings County; it is all state and federal money. yep, we pay for it in our state & federal taxes but it really does not compete for local $$ like what is spent for law enforcement & such.
its like comparing apples & police cars "

Other Options wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:25 PM:

" I don't agree with Oracle, just for the fact the monies are from totally different budgets, thats just how it works. However, I know that there are other departments that could use the cuts. Unfortunately with the housing market the way it is, property is not being bought, transferred as it has in the past. If title companies are closing down, that should be a hint. This has an effect on the Recorders Office, Assessor, Tax Collector, Microfilming, IT. Less work coming in means less documents being processed etc. Look around and see how many positions in these offices are really necessary. "

What Happened wrote on Aug 26, 2008 9:29 PM:

" This is the consequences when a group tries to buy votes, and is afraid of its Employees. "

fire wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:05 PM:

" to WOW,

I would like to know who the "elite" in your community are because they dont work for the sheriffs or the KCFD. If you were to ask around most of the men and women in the public safety community have two jobs to make ends meet. The Fire dept. and sheriffs pay a good salary for the job we do,ask yourself when is the last time you got up in the middle of the night, out of a sound sleep to save someones life. Public safety employees see the people in the community at there worst .We are the ones who do CPR on there loved one, we our the ones who cut there kids out of a mangled car after an accident only to watch them not pass on once we get them out. We in public safety do the jobs most of you cant do or are to scared to do. Instead of bashing the public safety people why dont you thank them they could be the ones who save you or your kids life. "

More wrote on Aug 27, 2008 12:49 AM:

" Then there is the Humvee which is on its way. Not needed at all for Hanford, but we will get it. The staff assigned to it will have nothing to do, but on paper they will be busy and can not go to a real need. And the upkeep on the Humvee, etc.

All the unnecessary things that "safety" puts in its budget, so they have to cut the actual service to the citizens.

Screwy system. "

The Lady wrote on Aug 27, 2008 7:48 AM:

" Didn't an article just come out last week stating that the City Council is requesting to buy 3-4 2008 Dodge Chargers at a total cost of 120,000-140,000? If they are so concerned about the budget, why would you want to buy new vehicles for the Hanford Police Department? "

To Amazing wrote on Aug 27, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Quite a lot of words for someone who obviously doesn't understand first responders business. I

Maybe these emblems seem fancy to you and maybe you don't see what is carried in the trucks but I'll tell you I'd want Kings County Fire at my door no matter if my family has an accident or my house is on fire. I don't care what they show up in, just get there safely (safety stickers on their trucks) and be prepared (which they are with many equipment items ON THE TRUCK).

They saved my Dad's life and I hope they don't have to save yours. People that don't understand that you don't cut safety or police or let people out of jail during hard times, crack me up and do they pay taxes?. I'd much rather lose a few welfare programs that lose the safety measures set forth in our small town.

Hhhhmmmmm, my families safety or welfare/support programs. Gee that's a tough one.
The problem is there would be more complaints as more work the system than WORK..... "

Cutting safety over social programs...yeah thats not acceptable wrote on Aug 27, 2008 11:28 AM:

" I agree with Oracle...cutting safety infastructure over the illegal friendly programs is ludicrious.

Safety first is a primary target for a livable community.There are areas of Armona that are much too dark and need to be well lite.Infastructure needs should be addressed and are important.

Look at all the gang tagging that goes on around Armona...do you think the parents of these kids really care what they are doing destroying other peoples property and creating "gang-style" border hoods.Gangbanging kids have learned by example to take and give nothing in return to society.

The county has to stop pushing "leg up social programs"....all it has done in the past is given migrant families a leg up to bring more border-illegals in.The school each other with how to access benefits and it has been refined by generations continuing in that mindset, to them free programs are a way of life.

Cut the programs that generate "trails of mothers" who have their anchor children following behind in toe to the "free-meal" hand-outs. It's a social activity to chat and teach their children learn that receiving free benefits is an acceptable and lucrative way of life. "

AMAZING wrote on Aug 27, 2008 2:16 PM:

" if you dont like your jobs, quit theres others ready to take your positions!!! if you dont like the hours the risks tough do us all a favor and quit... no biggy... bunch of cry babies everyones strugglin deal with it, peopler struggle sometimes even when the economy is awesome deal with it.. "

To THE LADY wrote on Aug 27, 2008 3:26 PM:

" Read the article this about the countys budget, not Hanford. The Cargers are cheaper the the Fords, and they are simply replacing worn out cars. all this and a cost savings "

To The Lady wrote on Aug 27, 2008 3:37 PM:

" Maybe you don't know. There is an elite program with the City of Hanford. Everyone saw the budget crisis coming, so the City Manager gave himself and his staff a HUGE raise before it hit the papers. He makes more than Fresno County Dept heads who oversee a population of almost one million people.

Then the Hanford Police Department with its overinflated management staff numbers, got a 10% raise. That is right 10% !!! Can you believe that? No where in any city or county nearby and probaly no private sector job, gave anyone 10% in this economy.

With all around us layoffs, hiring freezes, wages frozen, the City of Hanford goes its merry way raising salaries, hiring people, Great deal if you can get it.

There is something very wrong with the City, with the County and how it conducts its business. In their way of thinking, this highly paid staff NEED new Dodge Chargers. They can park them alongside the County cars that don't get used, and then are replaced because they are too old.

Maybe no one remembers the slogan, "its the economy, stupid". "

what the wrote on Aug 27, 2008 3:56 PM:

" To The Lady. Hanford City Council and Kings County Board of Supervisors. Two separate entities. County BOS has nothing to do with Hanford City Council approving new vehicles. "

what the wrote on Aug 27, 2008 4:03 PM:

" To Amazing. Apparently you think that anyone can be a fire fighter or law enforcement officer and that they are lined up at our doors to do the job. Welcome to the real world. I don't hear one fire fighter or law enforcement officer getting upset about getting up in the middle of the night to take care of your families. They just want the public to know they do it. Our fire fighters are away from their families when they have to fight fires in other areas. Law enforcement is away from their families when they have to work 7 days in a row because there are not enough deputies. These families don't always know if their loved ones are going to come home that night. They all do a lot and the money is not always that great. Why cut fire or law enforcement. There must be other places to cut. Everyone try looking harder. And a challenge to the law enforcement officers and the fire personnel. Let's stop whining and work together to make the BOS understand. "

Been There Too wrote on Aug 27, 2008 9:47 PM:

" Here is some tihngs I would like to know:
1) How much money has the County and city of Hanford given to non-County and non-city organizations in the past two years (re:the YMCA and the like)
2) Exactly how much of the County budget has gone to soial welfare programs in the past two years (welfare, drug prevention gang prevention,meth awareness etc)
3) If the Sheriffs Dept is such a problem, why hasn't the state been notified to step in? It can happen, why hasn't it?
These are legitamate questions. Sentinel, this would be needed investigative reporting and all dollare amounts should be public knowledge for you to obtain, especially where money is going,
Finally, those of you that are bashing the sheriffs dept , city police department and county and city fire and calling them "whiners" the next time your house is burinng or your home is being robbed take care of it yourself and let me know how it turns out. "

To Oracle wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:38 AM:

" You ask what are we going to do about it... The only thing we can do it vote for those who use common sense, and stop the money from going to illegals, etc. However, we live in liberal socialistic California, and its just not going to happen. Look at what's happening in Vallejo... the city is bankrupt, the police were blamed for everything and their wages were cut... now numerous officers have quit, they cant find anyone to replace them and crime is out of control. The whole state is in for the same mess if this keeps up. Liberal ideology is good in theory, but it doesnt work in reality. If I can hang on until retirement, Im out of this state and Im sure many others will join me in retracing their family's steps east back across the Sierras. This state is already in trouble, and when theyre are more riding on the wagon than pulling it... the wagon will come to a complete stop! "

BUDGET CRISIS wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:13 AM:

" Wake UP the budget is being cut throughout all County Departments, Welfare included. Our economy right now is poor. State funding is not there and they cant even pass their budget. Putting the blame on the BOS or the CAO only makes u people feel better. You can only work with funds available. Look at last years Budget vs this years budget. It is not just safety that is being cut. Did it occur to you that the state may allocate specific funds for Welfare that can only be used for Welfare? Can't just take from one account to the other people. The library may have copies for your review. Do some research. We have awesome personnel in safety positions at the Fire, Sheriff and Jail, To Jim Kilner, Administrators under Jordan, and jail personnel please extend my appreciation for the hard working, dedicating, life saving people you have. You truly have to have a calling for this type of work. Thanks! BTW people when was the last time you went to a BOS meeting? Dont like it, Run 4 office or STFU! "

DAIRY OWNER wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:49 AM:

" TO WHAT THE,
I CAN TELL YOU ALOT OF PEOPLE WORK LONGER THAN 7 DAYS STRAIGHT AND ALOT MORE THAN 60HRS PER WEEK, IT 'S NOT JUST COPS AND FIREFIGHTERS.. WE ALL WORK LONG HOURS AND WERE NOT PROMISED TOMORROW EITHER. WHAT IS IT WITH YOU PEOPLE? AND SOME OF US DONT DIAL 911 EITHER ..... "

PATRIOT wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:58 AM:

" TO THOSE WHO WANT TO CUT MENTAL HEALTH/SOCIAL SERVICES... WE HAVE PEOPLE AMERICAN TROOPS WHO ARE FIGHTING FOR US WHO ARE COMING HOME WITH NEEDS FOR SERVICE AND YOU WANT TO CUT THOSE? YOUR MORAL COMPASS IS SO SCREWD UP.. ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE THESE PEOPLE IN AND HELP THEM OUT, AFTER ALL THEYVE DONE FOR ALL OF US, WHAT ABOUT FOOD,CLOTHING,MEDICAL,ETC..I THINK WE CUT EVERY DEPT BUT NOT SO MUCH AS ITS SERIOUSLY IMPACTED. TIME TO HUNKER DOWN PEOPLE. I DONT LIKE IT EITHER. AMERICANS NEED TO TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "

What the wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:58 AM:

" To Dairy Owner. I guess yelling helps you get your point across. I am not saying that there are not other jobs that people don't work long hours in. You are a dairy owner and more power to you for owning your own business. I am sure that you have a successful and promising business. All I am trying to get across is that law enforcement and fire personnel as do our military put their lives in danger every day. Sure sometimes they sit at Starbucks. They are human. But when the bad guy is in your backyard or your baby is not breathing they drop the cup and respond.

I thank the man upstairs that you have never had to dial 911. That you have never had a fire, or in need of an ambulance or need a deputy or police officer. You have been blessed. I am not being sarcastic. What I am saying is the day you do have to dial 911 there may not be anyone to help you. "

The Oracle Says... wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:05 AM:

" I ave to disagree re where the money comes from. In northern Ca, in the last budget crisis, a small county had to decide whether to fund public safety or social services. They chose public safety. I know the money has strings attached, and the county gets other monies by participating. BUT, it IS a choice whether the county takes the money. I ask that the Sentinel, once again, write an article on this and fully explain how this money/budget/social services works. It is no longer acceptable for the BOS to simply say that it is "non-discretionary" money. Sure it is, it just comes with hard decisions, but rest assured BOS, that the citizens back you in making those hard decisions...Just read these responses. We do not want public safety cut and social services left whole "

wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Since we are talking about welfare, hope all the citizens realize just where your tax dollars go. Ever heard of the California Gold card, looks just like your credit card, Now, CA sends our money right to the recipients account.(People who dont want to work) In turn they take this card and use it to buy groceries at the store, ya right. Listen to this, they can actually go to a nearby liquor store and buy what ever they want, ya thats right, beer, cigarettes, and thats not it. In turn they can get cash back, then use the cash to buy anything, and ya they use it to buy narcotics. Trust me, I had more then one of them admit it to me, they go to the store, get a six pack with cash and then use the twenty to buy a dime bag of crystal meth and in the end we pay for their habit. The old food stamps were too discrimintory. WHY NOT CUT THAT SYSTEM. "

TOO MANY wrote on Aug 28, 2008 4:34 PM:

" Police and firefighters that post in these blogs. Every single time there is anything remotely mentioning these occupations, out come the flag wavers. You are unpatriotic if you think that police and fire should be limited to the same kinds of raises as everyone else.

They are not some elite highly educated and trained group. Sure they may need POST, but forget all the platitudes. They do a job that they want to do. If they don't think they get paid enough or it is too dangerous, go somewhere else.

Stop spending the time you are not working during your shift writing on these blogs.

It is obvious that it is police and fire tooting their own horn. Enough. "

DAIRY OWNER wrote on Aug 29, 2008 10:03 AM:

" EASY SOLUTION..... HOW MANY PEOPLE RETIRE WITH 90% OF THERE HIGHEST SALARY FOR LIFE? LOOK AT CALIFORNIA DEPT. OF CORRECTIONS THEN THEY GO ONTO ANOTHER JOB, HELLO ... CALIFORNIA PAYS WAY TOO MUCH TO THESE FOLKS MORE THAN ANY OTHER STATE... REDUCE THERE PAY AND CUT THE RETIREMENT PACKAGE TO A DECENT STANDARD... "

To DAIRY OWNER wrote on Aug 29, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Well let's cut all of your government subsidies to a "decent standard" then. Become a C.O. if you really think the pasture is greener over there. "

Hey cow man wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:16 PM:

" Quit mooing already. I agree...send your "welfare for the rich" back so it can be used for something else. Don't get me started! "

Like it is wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Law enforcement and fire should not be using the dangerous arguement too much. It is dangerous and I for one am glad they are willing to risk their safety and lives for us. However, I picture some badge heavy 21 year old kid sitting at his PC drinking a redbull when I read some of the posts. Look guys/girls. We need law enforcement and fire to be paid well, to have good benefits and be a very trained group because the citizens derserve the very best public safety we can get. I am thankful we have the law enforcement we do. No matter what is thought about individuals etc. we need to stop looking at public safety when it comes to balancing budgets. It cost money to be safe and that is the one thing we can all agree on: We want and need to be safe. We need this for our economy and health and for many other things. If you hate the Sheriff then get him out but don't hit the budget. No matter what, we all need to be safe. Please support our public safety. "

DAIRY OWNER wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:55 PM:

" TO THE NAMELESS PERSON,
C.O.'S DONT NEED TO MAKE SO MUCH ESP. WHEN A GREAT NUMBER HAVE NO HIGHER EDUCATION BESIDES HIGHSCHOOL. PEOPLE WITH DEGREES DONT EVEN REAP THAT BENEFIT. DO YOUR HOMEWORK NO WONDER THIS STATES BROKE.. LAWENFORCEMENT DEALING WITH PEOPLE ON THE STREET DONT EVEN MAKE THAT MUCH MONEY OR THAT TYPE OF RETIREMENT PLAN... THANK AN AUSTRALIAN GOVERNOR AND ALL THE ONES PREVIOUS FOR THE CCPOA SUPPORT. 90% RETIREMENT YEA RIGHT... THERES THE PROBLEM NO ONE HAS THAT TYPE OF RETIREMENT..... "

Kern Co FF wrote on Aug 29, 2008 5:37 PM:

" I have to give it the men and women of the KIngs County Fire dept, they are one of the few depts in CA that does alot with a little. I personally know alot of their fireifghters and they are all great people. They have always made sure to provide an excellent service even in the face of budget shortfalls, minimal staffing and aging equipment and they still step it up everytime and get the job done. Alot of these men and women stuck in there and stayed with Kings County Fire when they could have left to other jobs with other depts that pay better, but they chose to stay and provide a service to the county they live in. Law and Fire budgets should be the last to be cut, you can trim the fat in alot of other areas before coming after public safety, that is the way it is in most counties. Stand behind you local firefighters, they are all members of you community, they are there to help you out in your time of need, so help them out in theirs. "

To the nameless Dairy Owner wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:15 PM:

" Before you start degrading C.O's with just a high school degree, you might want to learn how to take the CAPS LOCK off and use the space bar to put spaces between your words. Once again, if you think they have it so good, why don't you go through the process and get hired. In regards to doing homework...you may want to check the CHP's retirement package...the retirement plans might look similar!! Do they get paid too much to baby sit? Maybe...but you couldn't pay me enough to deal with the element that they deal with. "

DAIRY OWNER wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:37 AM:

" TO THE 8/29/08 8:15 POSTER,
FIRST OFF IF YOU DID YOUR HOMEWORK WHATS THE CO RATIO PER INMATE IN A CONFINED SITUATION YOUR TRYING TO COMPARE CHP OFFICERS WHO ARE WORKING ON IN SECLUDED AREAS ALONE WHERE THERE ENCOUNTERING PEOPLE WITH GUNS,DRUGS,KNIVES,4000 POUND MISSLES (VEHICLES),ETC YOUR TALKING APPLES AND ORANGES HERE. A CHP OFFICER MAY BE 30-40 MIN AWAY FROM HIS NEAREST BACKUP SO DONT WHIMPER FOR C.O.'S. THERE ADS ARE SOO TEAR JERKING I WAS ASSAAULTED BY A VIOLENT INMATE, COME ON CALIFORNIA HAS THIS IDEA THAT OUR INMATES ARE WORSE THAN ANY OTHERS STATE AND THATS WHY WE PAY THEM SO HIGH, WHAT A CROCK. A GREAT NUMBER OF CO'S HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THE LAW ANYWAYS WATCH THEM DRIVE ON 43. WHATCH THEM BUY THAT BEER IN THERE JUMPERS, A BUNCH OF NANNY 911'S. "

TO DAIRY OWNER wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:12 AM:

" I wonder if the dairy owner on HWY 198 last year was glad that he called 911 when his dairy was on fire. I don't think he and his wife were carrying buckets from the water well to but it out. I believe that County Fire and Hanford Fire responded and put the fire out.
I wish people would quit bashing the Police and Fire. The problem for the tax payer is the police and fire are paid by taxes. I wonder what you would be saying if the police and fire could charge people for calling. Save a life (not sure I could put a price on that). I know police do charge one thing false burglary alarms after the 3rd one.
Dairy Guy, Last year with the 100 degree heat, how many cows did you lose. I bet you were the first to call the state and demand money for your loses, but you should have called mother nature. Not a tax payers fault. Farmers this winter we will have a freeze and again a call to the state for their losess. Again the tax payer pays again. "

To the nameless Dairy Owner wrote on Aug 30, 2008 3:42 PM:

" Well you were the one stating the C.O.'s were receiving 90% retirement, I pointed out CHP does as well. We were not talking about the job description at that point. No one forced the "high school diploma" C.O.'s to accept the positions, they went through the process and got hired and are being well compensated for it. When the CHP officers accepted the job, they were aware of the risks and the compensation for it. When you became a farmer, you did so on your own free will and receive government benefits that seem excessive to other people. Let's cut the farmers benefits and price controls from the government, sounds like an "EASY SOLUTION" to me!!
(exaggeration of course) "

DAIRY OWNER wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:02 PM:

" WHY NOT MAKE SOME HEADS ROLL AND JUST PUT ALL OUR REAL NAMES ON HERE. NO INTIMIDATION TO ME, IT MIGHT AFFECT YOU OR YOUR JOBS BUT NOT ME OR MINE. I DONT GET ANY SUBS FROM ANY GOVT AGENCY, THANK YOU. ANOTHER THING I GURANTEE IF YOU WORK FOR KC FIRE AND YOU MADE COMMENTS ABOUT THE UNFORTUNATE DAIRY FIRE ON 198 YOU'D NEVER WORK HERE AGAIN, THATS UNPROFESSIONAL,UNETHICAL. DONT LET YOUR JOBS SENSOR YOUR BELIEFS,THOUGHTS STEP UP TO THE PLATE. "

Harland wrote on Aug 31, 2008 10:21 AM:

" after reading a few articles in here i was like wow, can anyone please educate the person who doesnot realize that all citizens pay taxes.... whether it be sales,property,state,federal,etc we the people all pay taxes even the little kids pay taxes. "

To Dairy Owner wrote on Aug 31, 2008 9:00 PM:

" either you are not being truthful or just forgot, the subsidy payments in 1994 were automatic with the following year the same, Maximum of $25,000 per dairy which was raised in future years.There is also the "Eqip." monies for pollution control and monies for several herd buy-outs (kill programs) in the past few years. This does not include crop subsidies for wheat and corn even though it is grown for silage for the cows and not grain production. This program was to benefit the Midwest but Calif. growers got paid for it even though they did not harvest grain. There is also money for new engines for irrigation wells, dust control and about everything else. There are tax deductions that are unbelievable and tax diversions of profits into following years to avoid paying taxes. Cry me a river. "

Bobb wrote on Sep 4, 2008 2:43 PM:

" Dairy Owner-- There will be drought relief for feed in the tune of $40,000 per dairy. The electronic transfers,(no need to go to the mailbox), are being processed now. This includes goat dairy's. The herd buyouts for TB infested herds already paid one Visalia-Tulare dairy owner $2500 per head. A large Fresno County dairy is going to get $3000 per head of taxpayers money. Nunes and Coelho are working on special legislation to make most of these proceeds tax free because the dairymen hate taxes. The USDA has said the meat from these animals is safe to consume as Bovine TB cannot be transmitted to humans. They get to sell us the meat too. Big whoop. "

Bobb wrote on Sep 4, 2008 3:06 PM:

" To Dairy Owner continued-- Calif. was a bovine TB free state until a few years ago. Because of high support programs, the Government buying excess milk in the form of powder and dumping it in the ocean when the warehouses were full we have come to this. High milk profits caused mega-dairy's to expand and overbuild with the guarantee of profits.There were not enough cows and heifers in Calif. so they imported from other states and countries such as Mexico and Canada, many which were known Bovine TB areas. They were to be tested but unscrupulous cattle dealers and dairymen who did not want to pay the cost of testing brought them in on the sly. Reap what you sow. "

B. wrote on Sep 7, 2008 3:54 PM:

" Hey dairy owner........before you go running your mouth about correctional officers do your research first. In order to receive 90% retirement one has to work 30 years. Most c/o`s retire at 20-25 years. They don`t get close to 90%. If you want to bash corrections, you starting complaining about all the $$ being spent on inmate medical care, religious functions, helicoptor rides to hospitals, name brand medication and the higher than we make salarys on medical staff most of which could be cut in half. Send your complaints to the sniveling liberals in Sacramento who just adore the boys in blue. So if you don`t know what your talking about keep your mouth shut. C/o`s are not the problem. And fyi I used to be a police officer and have done extrdition nation wide. I chose CDCR because it is the TOUGHEST BEAT IN THE STATE. Come spend some time with us when we have 100-150 inmate riot. "




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