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Young girls arrested for plotting stabbing

By Joe Johnson
jjohnson@HanfordSentinel.com

A planned assault by two 12-year-old girls with knives was foiled early Wednesday morning when the Hanford Police Department was alerted to a conspiracy to attack a local juvenile. The female victim, who was not named due to her status as a juvenile, contacted the Hanford Police Department on Tuesday night just before midnight to report that two girls were planning to "assault and stab her," according to police reports.

Officers responding to the 800 block of South Harris Street searched the immediate area and reportedly found two large kitchen knives hidden nearby, believed to have been planted by the suspects.

Just after 1:30 a.m. Wednesday, the two would-be attackers returned to the area and started trying to lure the victim outside. A perimeter was established around the area and officers arrested the girls.

Both suspects were booked into the Kings County Juvenile Center on suspicion of conspiracy to commit a criminal offense and attempted assault with a deadly weapon.

The reporter can be reached at 583-2425.

(Aug. 28, 2008)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

whitey wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:18 PM:

" 12 years old?!!!!!! girls????? what is this town coming to? glad they are off the streets. "

THEREALDOG wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:19 PM:

" WOW!! "

AM on a Wed wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:31 PM:

" Just close the high school campus at lunch...this will prevent any crime by kids or gangs against other kids. This event probably would not have happened if the high schools had a closed campus.

On a serious note good job on the arrest and thank god this crime didn't actually get followed through on. "

Annoyed wrote on Aug 28, 2008 12:44 PM:

" Now where were the parent's at? Who would let 12 year olds out that late at night? How irresponsible!!! "

O. G. wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:02 PM:

" What in the world would possess these girls to committ such crimes? "

deb wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:16 PM:

" It's 1:30 am - do you know where your kids are? This is so disturbing. The fight in another article is one thing, but this is a thought out and attempted to be executed plan by 12 year old girls. What is our world coming to? What is Kings Co. coming to? "

mary wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:17 PM:

" hello! who thinks about trying to kill someone when they are 12? were are these parents? mind your damn kids and keep track of who they are with and what they are doing. so many parents let their young kids run around town with kids they don't even know it's sickening. then the parents who do take care of business are the ones who these stupid kids try to bully! i say parents are responsible too! start holding people accountable. "

Shocked wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:41 PM:

" The parents need to be in jail for child neglect. Not knowing where your child is at 1:30am is insane. "

Alan G. wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:53 PM:

" To Annoyed - Perhaps the parents were passed out drunk? We shouldn't judge because alcoholism is a disease, you know? ((Sarcasm)) "

CJ. wrote on Aug 28, 2008 1:56 PM:

" Thankfully, This was was stopped ! These 12 year old girls need to learn an important lesson. Hopefully, the parents will now have better control of their children!
12 years old is way too young to be plotting an attack on anther child. Shame on these kids, and where in the world are the parents? "

onlooker wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:35 PM:

" parents dont give a rats behind about their kids whereabouts. long as they are still alive and able to be claimed for their foodstamps and cash aid.
This town is falling apart. "

JayBug wrote on Aug 28, 2008 2:36 PM:

" AM on a Wed..... they were 12 yrs old, that would mean they are in Jr High. (dont know if you caught that)

But wow!!! 12 yrs old and planning something so idiotic. Im glad that at least the victim had some common sense to call the police instead of trying to "fix" the problem herself.

Parents SHOULD be charged with child neglect... "

whats the problem wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:01 PM:

" TO AM ON WED, what relevance does this incident have whatsoever to do with" this event probably would not of happened if the high schools had a closed campus"? some people just ramble.... Lets be greatful this was prevented, secondly no one parent knows where or what his her child is doing 24/7 and if you think so your only lying to yourself. we live in different times, no doubt. be realistic who would ever suspect a child to do this im sure the parents were shocked to say the least. "

Bobb wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:30 PM:

" Twelve year old children out at 1:30 A.M.plotting to kill another girl. Where are the parents. They should be held accountable. These 12 year old kids will be the ones that are pregnant at 15 or 16 and seeking Public Assistance. It is a never ending cycle that we cannot seem to stop. "

cynic wrote on Aug 28, 2008 3:32 PM:

" I blame violent video games - or maybe junk food - no Dad in the picture - not enough recreational facilities in town - schools? Come on, we have to blame someone - the parents couldn't possibly hold any responsibility. I'm sure they are law abiding, upstanding citizens just like their daughters. At 1:30 in the morning there should be something for our youth to do to keep them out of this trouble - we could blame the City Council. "

CLUNK wrote on Aug 28, 2008 4:49 PM:

" Typical 12 year olds do NOT attend high school, they are in middle school, so why bring up closing a high school campus when it's middle school THIS article is referring to. These BABY MAKERS need to be punished for not knowing where their children are. IMHO, Parent's are adults that KNOW where their kids are and are involved in the lives of their children! Heck, my parent's would have known something was brewing had it been any of us kids. Ah how I long for the good old days when my mother threatened to knock all us kids into next year. Never thought I'd ever write that;)
BOOT CAMP for these dangerous girls & the BABY MAKERS that made them! "

wake up people wrote on Aug 28, 2008 4:56 PM:

" You know the issues that are going on in the high schools?? They also stem into the Jr Highs and even below that (to some extent). Kids aren't held accountable, and if they are, usually mom and dad still think their angels are perfect and not wrong. It doesn't suprise me what-so-ever. Schools try, but there are some that slip through the cracks and don't care... "

jazzzz wrote on Aug 28, 2008 4:59 PM:

" wow.
man this is scary. "

irresponsible parents wrote on Aug 28, 2008 5:19 PM:

" Everyone in here keeps asking "where were their parents"...I can almost assure you that the parents of these "future gang bangers" are gang bangers themselves!!These kids were taught that fighting and assault is ok. Responsible parents would know where their children are at all times, especially 1:30 in the dang morning!! These two girls need to be punished hard, maybe if they are punished to the fullest at this young age it will make them think about it when they arr adults?? Maybe not though and they will be just another stupid gang banger when they're older! "

Blue Falcon wrote on Aug 28, 2008 7:39 PM:

" If I may quote THEREALDOG, "WOW!!" WOW indeed sir! This is a fine example of values at home! Wait... values, I'm sorry, this is obviously the result of not having any values or rules in the household. The parents of these two little girls should be ashamed and embarrassed; and themselves should be arrested for neglect and child endangerment! CPS where are you at on this one? "

AM on Wed wrote on Aug 28, 2008 9:16 PM:

" To Whats the Problem: I was simply making fun of the "rambling" going on in one of the other Hot Topics.

So I will say again thank god this was stopped before it was followed through on. "

Befuddled wrote on Aug 28, 2008 10:34 PM:

" Well, i guess the girls could have snuck out of the house without the folks knowing. Meybe not. My thinking is kids take the parents attitude. If the parents are aggressive types and have a "who do you think you are" attitude then it has to rub off on their kids. This is what they live. Pretty sad because these parents may end up blaming the victim. "

Valley Girl wrote on Aug 28, 2008 11:32 PM:

" To: JayBug, Whats the problem, and Clunk,
AM on a Wed was making reference to another article in which the majority of people felt that closing the campus of High Schools would solve the problem of fighting. Being sarcastic, I gather. Now for my comment. There is no one else to blame but the guardians of these girls. Yes, hold the girls accountable also. Heck, throw the book at all of them. To the full extent of the law! I love judges who impose unconventional punishments. How about the two girls and their guardians spend a few hours cleaning up an emergency room after a stabbing victim has just been moved to ICU. Or have them watch the grieving families, over their loved ones lifeless body. Follow up with counseling for all, probation for the kids, parenting classes and CPS for the guardians. Kids have lost all sense of regard for life (can anyone say desensitized!) and parents have lost all control. Very sad. Very scary. "

DTB wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:06 AM:

" What is up with these kids now? Why do kids feel the need to get off on trying to hurt other people now? I noticed that when I see headlines like this or the story about the HWHS kid on life support, I almost automatically assume it's from Hanford because Hanford is becoming more and more notorious for things like that. It's really sad.. "

Student wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:39 AM:

" The Government can regulate the schools as much as they want. Too bad they can't regulate parents who let their children behave like this. My younger sister is in 7th grade and it's more common than most people might think- middle school girls out wandering the streets at night. It's insane. "

Get real wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:36 AM:

" To all of you blaming the parents. I have no insider information on this crime, but I do have children of my own. Are they perfect, by any scale of the term it's a NO. Were you perfect? Remember back, I know, some of you may need to dredge thru 50 or 60 years to remember your childhood. You never once found a way out of the house when everyone was sleeping? Never once took one of those cool looking cig's from a family members stash? No, you were perfect and only the current batch of teens are so wreckless as to get out of their parents house after they are asleep.

My point is, don't throw your blame on the parents unless you know for a fact the parents were at fault. I too would side with you that it's a very good likelyhood the parents were lazy, but I like you DON"T know that for sure. "

CLUNK wrote on Aug 29, 2008 11:27 AM:

" I KNOW these BABY MAKERS, lazy, concerned about receiving their welfare $$, NOT their children. "

OMG wrote on Aug 29, 2008 11:56 AM:

" Wake UP People!! Don't you know that if they planned to attack a child at the age of 12 years old they are certainly are able to scheme a plan to sneak out of the house? STOP BLAMING PARENTS FOR EVERYTHING! Yes, they need guidance and a good kick in the but sometimes but who are you to judge the parents? I, as a parent, would be asleep at 1:30 on a Wednesday, and if my child were to sneak out of the house, God forbid, I would have no clue. Would you? Oh, I'm sorry, I am sure that you are all wake and check on your kids every hour on the hour right? "

CJ wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:12 PM:

" To Get real.. Were not talking about just taking a cig. or sneaking out of the house, yes we have all done minor infractions as kids. However, it crossess the line when 12 yr. old girls plot to Stab anther child!
Yes, the finger needs to be pointed at the parents. I have a teenaged son, and YES, i do know what he is doing and where he is at , at all times!
This is a big deal when two Young kids plot to do serious bodily harm on anther child. You see nothing wrong with that? It's normal everyday kid stuff? GET REAL. It does have every bit to do with how those children are being raised and the parents not taking resonsibilty over their children. Teaching them right from wrong. Children as young as 8 yrs. old comprehend what is wrong and right. Simply, you do not plot to stab anther human being. "

Isnt it amazing wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:28 PM:

" I am the parent of a twelve year old girl. I can tell you all that the majority of the parents of her peers tend to treat their little princesses like adults. They are not aware of whom they are talking to or texting on their cell phones. There is no accountability for bad behavior. Heck, many encourage dating at that age! My own daughter brings me her phone each night so I can, if I so feel the need, check her calls and text messages. It makes her annoyed to see her peers trampling all over their parents, and she gets to see the side effect, which is the way these girls in turn treat their peers! Everything with these girls is about being "in love" with a boy and hating his "ex" or someone who may pose a threat to their "relationship". Sadly, I was not shocked by this story, but terribly happy the victim is okay. Thank goodness she was able to report these girls, which means she must have a fairly stable home! "

Jay Bug wrote on Aug 29, 2008 12:40 PM:

" To any of you (very few) who are actually defending the parents of these girls: I am 22 yrs old. I was NOT the perfect child but my parents were always there. My mom is my hero, because if it hadnt been for her constant (and I mean CONSTANT) watching over me, I dont know where I would be.
I was the so called "black sheep" of the family. My sister graduated as a Salutatorian(sp?), my brother graduated as Valedictorian, my other brother graduated with Honors. and me, I barely made it out of high school. My mom stayed up every night, cleaning the house, making her nightly rounds on us kids, since we were young til the day we got married. That is what I call a good parent. And she did this when she had a job and didnt have a job, (working in the fields and cleaning homes) Still want to defend the parents for their escapees????? (when we broke the rules, we got hell!!) "

Valley Girl wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:01 PM:

" Well said CJ! Although I do feel it is impossible to know where your children are and what they are doing every minute of everday. I don't know any parent that keeps closer tabs on their child than myself, but I wouldn't know if she snuck out until after the fact. The problem is too many children are not being raised with all the love, values, respect, discipline, etc, that they need and deserve from the minute they are born. Ofcourse the parents/gaurdians have a lot to do with this. It starts from day one!! "

CITY GAL wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:11 PM:

" HI I AM A FRIEND OF THE FAMILY OF THE VICTIM AND THE TO GIRLS THAT HAD PLOTED THIS CRIMINAL ACT ON THIS JUVINAL WAS IN THE WRONG ONE OF THOSE GIRLS WHO WAS ARRESTED WAS A GOOD GIRL FROM A LOVING HOME THE MOTHER WORKED TO MAKE ENDS MEET AND THE OTHER SUSPEST THREATEND HER TO MAKE HER GO ALONG WITH THIS IN DEED A DREAD FULL ACT AGAINST THIS VICTIM ON THE OTHER HAND THE OTHER SUSPECT HAD NO LOVE HER MOTHER NEVER HAD TIME FOR HER SHE DIDNT HAVE A FATHER FIGURE SO SHE HAD TO LOOK TO THE STREETS FOR LOVE COME ON PARENTS YOU MAY THINK YOUR SHOWING YOUR KIDS SOME LOVE BUT WHAT WE ALL NEED TO DO IS SIT DOWN WITH THEM ONCE IN AWHILE AND REALLY LET THEM KNOW .... "

for real wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:25 PM:

" That's so crazy!! They probably go to JFK "

WakingUp wrote on Aug 29, 2008 4:36 PM:

" We may be responsible, upstanding citizens of this community, bth that doesn't mean the kids of our community are that way. We can blame the schools, movies, television, video games, city council, or wetever, BUT when do we admit that these girls did this of their own accord? Look at the school shooting over the last twenty years & how they have increased. Just because we raise our kids with morality & ethics doesn't mean they choose to follow them. There are children who don't think of the consequences for their actions. As a community, we must show severe consequences for actions such as this to the children of our community. Hopefully this might help them from making massive mistakes such as what these girls did. "

whitey wrote on Aug 29, 2008 4:47 PM:

" i fully agree with valley girls last comment "

Cat wrote on Aug 29, 2008 4:56 PM:

" To OMG. YES, if that is what it takes to know that my child is home and safe at 1:30 am i would be checking all the time. That's what good parents DO. Good parents do not allow their children out in all hours of the night. Good parents alreay have taught their kids right from wrong, and give them limits.
Good parents have control of their children and know what is going on in their kids lives.
I am a parent adn I know that it is up to us to steer my child in the right direction. When my kid messess up then their are consequenes to the behavior.
Plotting to cause bodily harm to anther human being is never Acceptable behavior for anyone.
Being 12 yrs. old, is terribly young. People need to start looking at the parents attitude and lack of child rearing skills. "

Blue Falcon wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:03 PM:

" To "OMG and GET REAL".

Stop blaming the parents you say? As parents it is our job to ensure our children are being raised responsibly. Nobody has ever said we are perfect. If we are responsible enough to make "babies" then we as parents are also responsible enough (or should be) to ensure they are raised properly for 18 long hard tough years. I have a daughter who is 11. When I purchased my home, I made sure that her bedroom was the one she could not sneak out of in the middle of the night, unless she wants to fall 20 feet to the ground, or first build an escape rope made from bed sheets, haha. Also, to add to the safety of my daughter, I have four very curious to any sounds made in the middle of the night dogs... So with that said, my daughter will not be sneaking out of this house before she is 18. But, unlike many parents out there, I am also involved in everything my daughter does. Remember if we parents are not involved in our children's lives, they will seek the attention elsewhere. "

Mrs.D wrote on Aug 29, 2008 8:09 PM:

" Gee, people. Jump to conclusions much? Who knows what these girls are like. When you were 12 or 16, didn't you use to sneak out of your parents house? And what makes you think that these girls come from a gang bangin' home? The problem is that they got together to do something stupid. The good thing is that the police got involved, and I know how much you people love the Hanford Police Department! Quit assuming the parents are alcoholics. Quit assuming they are involved in a gang. Quit assuming anything until they are brought before a judge. "

ToCityGal wrote on Aug 29, 2008 9:00 PM:

" First, go back to school and take some English classes. Your post has to be the longest run on sentence of all time. Secondly, there is no excuse for either of these girls actions. Dont post here and say one forced the other to go... that is bull. Weve all had some bad friends, but having one who forces you to commit attempted murder is something else. This sounds like an excuse of a 12 yr old who was caught in the act. I get tired of hearing about bad kids, whose parents love them.... Im sure Hitler's mom loved him too, it still doesnt mean they were raised right. Where are the fathers of these girls...? Well Im sure theyre locked up, or out gang bangin and producing more winners for society to raise! "

brenda wrote on Aug 30, 2008 6:16 AM:

" When I was 12...........I am 57 now.......I was still playing with barbie dolls, listened to my parents, (good parents) and was in my bed at 1:30 am...........it is a differrent world now for these kids, a lot of parents do not care, what or where thier children are. I fear for my granchildren, and the other children of today. Thank-god I have a daughter and son-in-law that will be there for my grandaughters. If someone tried to hurt my girls they better watch out got grandma........... "

Valley Girl wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:34 AM:

" Mrs D said "The problem is that they got together to do something stupid". I agree Mrs.D. Murder/attempted murder is kinda "stupid". Wow. "

Deb wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:36 AM:

" Mrs D. and others indicating the parents are - the girls are 12 y/o. Their plot was well thought out. The knives were placed at the scene in advance. They plotted the plan. This tells me, the moral character of the girls. Which also leads to the moral character of the parents. As a parent, it's my job to know the moral character of my child as well as a whole host of other things. It's one thing to sneak out of the house a whole other thing to plot out the plan to "harm" a peer. There's a HUGE difference between normal 12 year old behavior and that behavior we just read about. "

This is a Surprise wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:34 PM:

" The scary thing about this is how many people are shocked. WAKE UP OUT THERE!! These girls are your children, your relative's children, your neighbor's children! Step out of your bubble and start paying attention to the world around you folks. It's not just Kings County....and don't act so indignant because it happens in your little town. You enable this activity by giving every brat a disease and excuses. If this is such a horrible event, quit whining on a message board. Start working towards getting the teeth put back in the laws in this day care state. It doesn't take a village, it takes personal responsibility. Something this nation is losing by the minute. "

Citizen X wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:40 PM:

" Responding to the questions/comments, "where was CPS?" and "CPS for the Guardians", CPS only deals with protecting children from the abusive conduct of their parents. (without a gun or badge and no personal protection). CPS can not exact punishment on anyone- parent or child. That is the responsibility of law enforcement, probation and the Court, The intended victim made the right decision, she reported the threat to law enforcement, who had the the authority to act. The suspects will be dealt with through the DA's office who makes criminal charges, the probation department which will make the recommendations and finally the Juvenile Court itself, where the buck stops. If those girls were out in the middle of the night due to inadquate supervision by their parents, that is for the criminal justice system to punish, not CPS. At this point, to put the girls under the supervision of CPS, rather than probation would mean they get off free for their actions. Your real worry should be if the DA caves in or their court appointed attorney gets them off. "

ALEJANDRO wrote on Aug 30, 2008 1:52 PM:

" This will put the sexual predators in the neighborhood on notice - proceed at your own risk! "

Angry wrote on Aug 30, 2008 2:22 PM:

" 12 years old?? Where are there parents? Obviously not in there lives!!!! "

SO SICK wrote on Aug 30, 2008 3:51 PM:

" Were are those girls parents. No doubt they are probably involved themselves in criminal activites. Seems like these kids that are getting arrested are getting younger and younger and their crimes are getting worse. "

To Vally Girl wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:34 PM:

" I owe you an apology for arguing with you in another thread about the baby who is no longer with us because of someone else's actions.

Reading your post on here it is clear to me that you share the same beliefs I do regarding crime and punishment and for that I have much respect for you.

Please accept my apology! :) "

Mr. I know wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:58 PM:

" When i read this article in the paper i knew who this young lady had to be. She has dealt with the law on many ocasions for violent behavior justto be slaped on the hand. this young lady is out of control and the hanford PD has known for sometime. I think thatthe PD really needs toget involved with the youth of south hanford. Some people that have commented arereally out of touch. Hanford is growing we need toget these kids involed in something possitive not just sit around and point fingers. Get out and make a difference instead of hiding behind fake names "

Get Real wrote on Aug 31, 2008 3:46 AM:

" I think we should blame the grandparents. After all, if they had been good parents and role models, these parents would have done better.

Let me take that back, it must be the fault of the great grandparents, etc, ... "

monica wrote on Aug 31, 2008 11:56 AM:

" these girls are very bad but i think the parnets have the falt to it....
good luck girls :) "

To Mrs.D wrote on Aug 31, 2008 12:31 PM:

" Sorry to say, NO I don't ever recall having to sneak out of my parents house. I don't recall ever having the need to have to sneak out. But then I wasn't out doing "Stupid" stuff at 1:30 in the morning. This goes far beyond my idea of something stupid. This is a pure act of planned violence, not some "stupid" prank. Maybe so good old fashion "Butt Busting" on these kids would help keep them in line. Oops, sorry you did hear that from me CPS! "

Valley Girl wrote on Aug 31, 2008 6:34 PM:

" No apology necessary! It was healthy back and forth banter, and I throughly enjoy reading opinions different then mine! It makes you think. "

THEREALDOG wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Mrs D...
Just find another newspaper to cry on I think you make everyone mad here!!! and by the way NObama 08 "

HF wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:51 PM:

" To Mr. I Know:

Do you seriously think that only "the kids of south Hanford" need outreach?

I am from the south side of Hanford and I don't have any type of record and I have two B.A. degrees from a prestigious university.

Don't you think that kids from the North side of town can walk a whole 2 miles or so and do bad things?

I cannot believe how ignorant your comment was. "

LadyBug wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:04 PM:

" To Cynic- Dont blame this situation on being a single parent, there are plenty of single parents whose children are not out running the streets at 1:30 in the morning. And what should the City Council do for these children at 1:30 in the morning. They need to be home sleep, and the parents or parent needs to establish some rules and support so that these young children dont think about trying to sneek out. Its time for parents to get back into their childrens lives and stop letting them run the streets like they are adults. Take time to become involved in your childrens lives instead of letting the streets babysit. "

Con Carne wrote on Sep 4, 2008 4:28 PM:

" A Tuesday night out in South Hanford:
-Raiders t-shirt (check)
-Sharpied on eyebrows (check)
-Butcher knives for me and Crazy Girl (check)
-A plan to get that hater out of her house (check)
-A ride from my 28 y.o. boo in his Escalade with the dueces (check) "

maria wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:37 PM:

" 2 get real where in the heck do u c the grandparents at fault for this situation its just the suspects need to be brought to justice ifor this criminal act against the victim its not the mother , grandmother or anybodys fault its just these juvinals these days are acting like they are grown and try to belike other individuals and about all u people talkn about all this grammer bulls*** get real "

coffeelovinmom wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:48 PM:

" I could pretty much post the same things that everyone else is saying. I am shocked. But to be honest, my main issue is that I am SCARED. 12 year olds? I mean what do you say to that?

I have three girls and can not even begin to imagine what going to high school in a few short years will be like for them. Sure these were jr. high kids but if they are like that in jr. high then who knows what will be going on by high school?

It just makes me so sad. This world is sad. We are falling apart.

I'm more strict than a lot of parents and will continue to be for this very reason. Kids who are allowed to act like adults too early do just that. This town has changed so much just in the past few years it's amazing. (And I mean the entire town, not "sides" of it.) "

Alan G wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:42 AM:

" Con carne - I posted a comment about sharpied-on eyebrows on another thread and didn't get posted. What gives? "

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