Tony wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:05 PM:
" Of the several people I have met in the last five years claiming that they need marijuana medically, all told me later that they use the card to keep the bag full AND to grow it indoors.
If there was a '30 Year-old Blonde Rich Chick' card I would find a way to get a script. "
chilidog wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:40 PM:
" I think even with the most careful consideration medical marijuana is a bad idea. There are many psychotropic medications available to treat the symptoms of many conditions such as anxiety, depression, sleeplessness, etc... medications such as Megace and Megace ES are used with good results to stimulate the appitite for those who suffer from malnutrition, weight loss, or Failure to Thrive. Let good doctors do what they do best and lets not support the pot growers. I would think twice about using a doctor that would write an order for marijuana anyway. "
Mrs.D wrote on Sep 24, 2008 8:53 PM:
" Huh. Like Charlie Ennes, I, too, suffer from Graves Disease. Graves Disease is an overactive thryroid: general symptoms are heart palpatations, weight loss, breakage of nails and hair, and sweating. Now, the metabolism is works in conjunction of the thyroid which makes you eat more, burn up the food energy faster. I think the last thing you want to do is eat more, smoke the "medical marijuana" and get the munchies afterwards, so you'll eat more and eventually gain weight. After being on the propylthiouracil medicine, your thyroid is back down to normal function of your body. Being on the medical marijuana, you'll just gain more weight! Then your real problems have just begun! "
warden bob wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:03 PM:
" Chilidog wrote on Sep 24, 2008 7:40 PM:
" I think even with the most careful consideration medical marijuana is a bad idea. There are many psychotropic medications available to treat the symptoms of many conditions such as anxiety, depression, sleeplessness, etc...
Marijuana has been shown to be effective in reducing the nausea induced by cancer chemotherapy, stimulating appetite in AIDS patients, and reducing intraocular pressure in people with glaucoma. There is also appreciable evidence that marijuana reduces muscle spasticity in patients with neurological disorders. A synthetic capsule is available by prescription, but it is not as effective as smoked marijuana for many patients. "
bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:15 PM:
" Just what we need even more stupid idiots high on weed killing babies... I'm just thinking back to a baby that was killed in Lemoore back in January... "
Alihandero wrote on Sep 25, 2008 4:52 PM:
" I empathize with those who have physical medical conditions that respond to the active ingredient in cannabis. And the pill form does work for many but is not widely prescribed for a variety of reasons.
But smoking marijuana as a treatment for something called "social anxiety disorder?"
I used to see this form of treatment at my dorm in college.
It was called a "Pot Party" amongst other things.
Usually accompanied by wine, liquor, song, acting-out, and, of course, sexual liberation.
And there was no ‘social anxiety' immediately after these parties started! "
jeff wrote on Sep 26, 2008 10:55 AM:
" Chilidog, marijuana is a psychotropic drug. So is cocaine and LSD. Your position makes you sound like a pharmaceutical rep.
I would much rather take something that grows naturally on our earth than something developed by chemists in a lab. It never amazes me how ignorant the masses are on the subject of cannabis. "
Melissa wrote on Sep 27, 2008 5:43 AM:
" I am sorry bluefalcon i do not think i have ever heard of a murder because the murderer was to high on marijuana. The most a pot head does is get high, eat and fall asleep. I think medical marijuana is good for those who truly need it. It is natural, not synthetic. You do not have to take a pill to counter the side affects of another pill your taking. The last time I checked there were more problems with pill poppers popping to many and doing things they do not remember because thier brain was chemically altered by a synthetic drug. I applaud Kings County, It is nice to see that it is looking beyond the pharmacy and allowing its citizens to use more natural ways to ease thier illness and pains. "
valleygirl08 wrote on Sep 28, 2008 1:46 PM:
" Glad this finally happened and thanks to those who pushed this through. "
bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 28, 2008 11:13 PM:
" Jeff, after reading your post I had to think... hmm maybe he (you) has a great idea. There is no way anything naturally grown on earth is bad for us... then I did a quick search on Google and came up with this website.
http://plantanswers.tamu.edu/publications/poison/poison.html
Dude... this don't even have "little red berries" listed among other things... I think I'll stick to "meds" made in a lab. I personally am always amazed on how many brain cells marijuana kills. "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Sep 28, 2008 11:22 PM:
" Tony, considering that there are 100,000 people approximately living in Kings County, and the health department is expecting 10 applications, I think that it is safe to say that there isn't going to be an epidemic of "stoners keeping the bag full." I'm not 30, I'm not blond, I'm not a woman, and I'm definitely not rich.
chilidog, are you saying that you know more about pharmaceuticals than the medical professionals that are in charge of assisting patients in making their medical decisions? "Let good doctors do what they do best and lets not support the pot growers." That's exactly what this decision does. It puts the decision process directly in the hands of the physicians and patients. It provides medical users a legal way to procure their medicine without giving money to a market that puts money in the hands of drug cartels. "I would think twice about using a doctor that would write an order for marijuana anyway." Would you question a doctor that prescribes narcotics, opiates, and methamphetamines? All of these are easier to procure than cannabis. "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Sep 28, 2008 11:32 PM:
" Mrs. D, I am 5'7". Before I began suffering from my current medical conditions I weighed 165 lbs. and had less than 12% body fat. Now it is a struggle to stay close to 140 lbs. That's almost an 15% reduction in weight in a body that was not carrying any extra weight.
I've gone on and off of marijuana, because I am not completely comfortable relying on any substance, regardless of how effective or how mundane a substance is. I've weighed as little as 125 lbs. in the past year. That is a 25% reduction in weight.
Just because you have a medical condition that shares a name with mine does not make you an expert on my health. I'm sure you wouldn't want me or any other stranger that is diagnosed with Grave's disease to tell you how to make choices in regards to your medical treatment. "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Sep 28, 2008 11:52 PM:
" bluefalcon559, anytime a baby is killed is a tragedy. I do not, however, feel it appropriate to patronize the loss of the family by patronizing the death of an infant as a martyr for prohibition or probably any cause. If it was your child I would respect your grief. I would disagree with your conclusion that cannabis killed the child. As a user, I would never avoid responsibility for my actions by blaming an intoxicant for my behavior. I think that your statement takes the responsible party out of the equation and puts it on the shoulders of a plant. To me, this is unacceptable in any circumstance.
Alihandero, I do not consume cannabis in the fashion that you suggest. I have a lot of chronic pain and I also suffer from nausea. Prescription narcotics are generally opiate extracts in the form of a pill. Not only do these medications have severe side effects on the digestive system, it is also not practical for someone with nausea to rely on a substance consumed through digestion. Lastly these substances have severe effects on the mood and neurological processes. "
moe wrote on Sep 29, 2008 8:02 AM:
" So sorry chillidog! I say let them grow and smoke. I have had two relatives kill their selves on psycho meds. So there for maybe chemical based meds are not that geat. You say lets stick with the "good doctors" Well the good doctors did not listen when my cousin told them that her psycho meds were makeing her fill suicidal. We lost her a month later. Maybe if she would of had the option to smoke med marijuana she would be here today. "
Jim wrote on Sep 29, 2008 8:48 AM:
" It would seem that it is okay for people to use tobacco, prescription drugs and alcohol in various forms all of which are mind altering and affect how people think and act. Yet those same people will condemn others for choosing to control their pain or relax by using marijuana in various forms. Could it be that people want to stand by the time tested argument that if you start smoking dope you will end up a heroin addict. I do find it interesting that the states will go ahead and issue these cards and maintain a database while the feds still maintain it is illegal and at any point in time would now have access to a roadmap to all the users and clinics! I guess it does save us taxpayer some money, now that they do not have to spend a ton of money looking for people to bust! They just pull up the address and drive on over! One other thing to remember, people in pain are going to do whatever it takes to make themselves feel better and before you judge them you may want to walk in their shoes for a bit. "
Alihandero wrote on Sep 29, 2008 2:58 PM:
" Oh, please, here we go again, with the ‘it's organic so it does a body good' crowd.
Using that ‘organic home grown healthy' logic, we should all grow opium poppies and cocoa plants both in the home, in greenhouses, and in the fields. They are ‘natural' and ‘organic' too!
Come to think of it, oil products are natural . . . organic hydrocarbons from Chem. 101 if memory serves. Oil comes from the ground, created by decaying organic matter over millions of years . . . "
Alan G wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:01 PM:
" There's definitely no denying the benefits of medical marijuana to help those in great pain or with diminished appetites. It amazes me how naive some people can be in suggesting that pharmaceuticals are somehow a safer alternative. Sure, they're safer if you don't mind the possibility of a heart attack, wheezing, anal leakage, shortness of breath, etc... I think you see where I'm going with this.
I don't smoke pot myself, but I see no reason to deny it to people who need it. I know it scares the geezers whose opinions were formed by watching "Reefer Madness", but come on! It's really the equivalent of beer and I think it's fine as long as people aren't out driving, in which case they deserve a DUI conviction just the same as driving under the influence of certain prescription medications (which is illegal) or alcohol.
I'd like to hear about the last time the police arrested two stoned guys for getting into a fight. Maybe they'll fight over who's turn it is to walk to the store for Cheeto's, but that's about it. "
jeff wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:35 PM:
" bluefalcon,
I get your point, not everything that grows in the wild is safe to ingest (Of course I never said that it was). I agree with you, I wouldn’t go around picking mushrooms or berries I found growing naturally either.
If you look at the list in the URL you pasted there are plants listed that people cook with every day and some people hang in their houses. Oleander? This grows naturally in the U.S., it’s not illegal and your web site lists it as “Extremely poisonous” even marijuana isn’t considered to be that. What about Iris, Rhubarb or Jasmine? You’ve never had a Rhubarb pie? The web site you pasted also has “Oak” trees listed. Should we outlaw them? The thing is, almost anything can be dangerous if taken incorrectly or in large dangerous quantities. Aspirin can be fatal if taken incorrectly but I’m sure you’ve taken aspirin before. What about alcohol? Alcohol has many more negative side-effects than marijuana ever could and it’s perfectly legal to buy. I don’t know if you’re a drinker or not but if you are the word hypocrite comes to mind. "
jeff wrote on Sep 29, 2008 5:23 PM:
" bluefalcon,
I started reading the list over more carefully and honestly your argument is pure comedy.
Oleander, Iris, Rhubarb, Daphne, Wisteria, Laurels, Rhododendrons, Azaleas, Jasmine, Oaks, Elderberry, Mistletoe plus several other plants and trees listed can easily be legally purchased by any minor with enough cash at most nurseries. Other plants listed may not be for sale at a nursery but they do grow naturally. No one decided to completely eradicate them and make them illegal, even the ones that are listed as fatal as in a few berries can kill you. You can eat quite a bit of marijuana straight off of a plant before it would kill you. Make you sick enough to wish you were dead maybe but you’d live and wouldn’t even need to go to the hospital. "
bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 29, 2008 6:21 PM:
" Charlie Ennes... ignorance is bliss... defending a "drug" is pretty funny.
Here is my point... Marijuana, is a "drug" that relaxes one's self, correct? Please keep in mind, I would not know personally because I have never used marijuana; being a proud member of the armed forces, I know that it is highly frond upon and frankly I don't want anyone next to me in my foxhole who's high on weed...
Let's just hypothetically play this out... if someone is high on weed, and assuming it relaxes someone, or takes away pain... then don't you think if someone is punishing a baby for whatever reason by spanking them or "beating" them that maybe the amount of force they are applying to that baby they might not feel the same as the child because they are relaxed (mentally & physically) and tolerance to pain is much higher because of this relaxed state? I know several people that have used "weed" for some time and everyone of them are "slow" speakers... everyone knows the type. I'm not saying there any dumber or smarter then the next person, just their reactions and timing are a bit off... "
Jarred wrote on Sep 29, 2008 8:21 PM:
" To bluefalcon559:
You don't lose your complete sense of judgment, as you are implying in your hypothetical situation. When was the last time you heard of someone on marijuana attack a police officer? When was the last time you heard about someone stoned go on a shooting rampage?
Simply put, people who smoke marijuana are less likely to do something stupid than someone who is drunk, contrary to what any TV commercial tells you. By the way, those commercials that you see are co-sponsored by pharmaceutical companies. Big Pharm makes money on drugs that work and are patentable. They can't make as much money off of something that a person can just grow in their backyard. "
bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:56 PM:
" Jarred and whoever else... I understand you all want to smoke pot and everyone thinks it's ok... Be my guess; ignorance is bliss. I'm sure each of you will allow your kids to smoke pot too; and you'll even have pot smokers babysit them. I'm also sure each of you think that it's a great idea that a pot smoker drive your mom to the grocery store... all in the name of medical practice.
Now with that said... This is too the Hanford Sentinel. Why in the last two weeks have you "censored" and not published about five of my posts? Gee, there is some bias behavior going on there. You're almost as one sided as the Fresno Bee! "
coffeelovinmom wrote on Sep 29, 2008 10:11 PM:
" Alan G - You summed up a lot of what I was going to say. Most medicines out there scare me. They have an enormous amount of side effects - I don't care what anyone says, there is proof in the fact that something so "good" now will probably be recalled in two years because of all of the side effects. If I had a relative or loved one who had a choice between a bunch of pills that were going to cause havoc on their bodies or a medical weed card, I would feel so much more comfortable if they had the card. I think too many people stereotype what they think a "user" is or does and a lot of the time it's not true! "
Amanda R wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:31 AM:
" If you think all a pot head does is "get high, eat, and fall asleep" then check the article on the sentencing of the driver of a high speed chase. It's also on the Hot Topics. You can always spot a stoner in a crowd: the one staring into space and talking...real...slow.
Charlie, how long has this disease affected you? You seemed fine when we attended high school. Maybe you smoked weed then, too. "
Mrs.D wrote on Sep 30, 2008 8:57 AM:
" RE:Charlie Ennes, After being on Propylthiouracil 50MG, three times a day, along with two different beta-blockers, I feel fine! My thyroid hormone levels are fine but I still have Graves Disease since my thryroid is still high functioning. I also take an anti-depressant(doctor perscribed). I still hover around 188lbs. but I do not need medical marijuana for the condition. I think you're just looking for an excuse to get high. If you have anxiety, try legal homeopathic mood elevators like St. John's Wort and stay off of diet colas. Better yet, insist on having your thyroid obliterated and take the daily hormone pill for the rest of your life. "
bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 30, 2008 10:49 AM:
" Mrs D.
Let this be the first... I agree with you 100%. "
valleygirl08 wrote on Sep 30, 2008 11:32 AM:
" I am prior service, and I recall many times seeing my shipmates get drunk, even had a couple good guys get into car accidents because they were wasted on alcohol, or needed help back on the ship because they could barely walk. This was something I would see whenever we had time off, while Blue Falcon has a good point, lets not say all are innocent, I think if you enjoy a beer then call urself a beer baby killer since there are more cases, infact you can google armed services and alcohol and see how many links pop up showing service members acting a fool while on alcohol. On a different note, I can't say how many times the VA has prescribed me drugs for my disability and then a couple years later I am told not to take that drug because it was recalled for causing heart disease or other permanent effects. I wonder how many drugs I am prescribed because I need them or because my medical facility gets so many millions for pushing this drug on me, while I see valid points on both sides, I think the finger pointing goes both ways. "
bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:33 PM:
" Valleygirl08, I'm not going to waste to much time on this response just because why waste time when the Sentinel has refused to post many of my rebuttals to statements made on this issue and a few others. In just the last two days alone they have not posted 3 comments in regards to this article. So much for the First Amendment...
Do drugs exist in the military? Yes. but those offenders caught pay the price. Some are discharged, others are afforded a second chance. Do violent crimes occur because of alcohol use, yes, that is an obvious one. Have babies died because of its use, yes. But this article is not about alcohol. It's about the use of marijuana and its now legal medical use in Kings County.
I say this to all who favor it. Would you allow your kids to be babysat by a "user"? Would you allow your mom or grandma to be drove to the store by a "user"? Medical or not... my answer is no! Drugs are bad, and I'm not condoning the use of alcohol either, same goes for that.
now we'll see if this get's posted by the HS... "
chuck21 wrote on Sep 30, 2008 2:18 PM:
" bluefalcon559: I have a simple question. How do you feel about alcohol, which is mind altering and legal to buy and will also take your mind of pain? "
chuck21 wrote on Sep 30, 2008 2:20 PM:
" Lets not forget everyone, alcohol is also a drug. "
NotHomeGrown wrote on Sep 30, 2008 3:09 PM:
" First I am not against SUPERVISED marijuana medicinal use. But what I read here is not about supervised, but rather issuance of ID Cards, like no one can get a fake one, RIGHT? I see all kinds of ads in LA newspapers about how to get medicinal marijuana usage ID cards, and most of the advertising is addressed to college students. And don't all of you stoners come back and say it doesn't affect you, it does slow down your response time, yes from what I have seen it makes MOST people mellow and then the munchies. But it like alcohol does affect a persons judgement. Do the ID cards come with a warning like many other medicines to not operate machinery as you don't know how it will affect you? "
valleygirl08 wrote on Sep 30, 2008 5:38 PM:
" Again I see ur point but I wouldn't want my kids to be babysat by someone on prescription drugs like vicodin, tylenol w/codeine, oxycotin, ect, nor would I want my kids to be watched by someone who drinks or smokes cigarettes but like many people who take prescription drugs or intake alcohol, they do these things on their "off" time, time when they have to themselves. I don't think badly of my fellow service men who drink themselves to the point of alcohol poisoning, I know that they are good people and yes the military has a zero tolerance but my point wasn't being made for those in the service doing illegal drugs, my point was that while you mentioned ignorance, I think it does go both ways-I think those who use marijuana for medicinal purposes are being labeled as something they aren't, many of these people are your neighbors, grandparents, and other very valuable people in our community. "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Oct 1, 2008 2:11 AM:
" Mrs. D. I don't think that surgery followed by a lifetime of medical dependence is something to be thrown around lightly. This is my life!
Amanda, I smoked occasionally in high school recreationaly. I rarely drank. I've had the health problems since ~2005. "
whitey wrote on Oct 1, 2008 10:39 AM:
" what the heck is everyone making a big deal about muchies for?
one of my best friends has an i.d. card.
she doesnt eat like a pig. she can barely eat anything. and how does babysitting fall into play? there are so many people freaking out and making such a big deal about this. "
Mrs.D wrote on Oct 1, 2008 7:57 PM:
" RE: Charlie Ennes, You wrote: Mrs. D. I don't think that surgery followed by a lifetime of medical dependence is something to be thrown around lightly. This is my life!
But you want to be medically dependent on medical marijuana.
If you have been battling Graves Disease since 2005, within a couple of months you would have been feeling better. I was diagnosed in April 2008, and after one month of PTU pill therapy I felt fine. No heart palpatations, no constant sweating, no hair loss. I have 30 more months of pill therapy and rounds of ultrasounds to endure. Either I'll recover or have the thyroid obliterated. One or the other is better than adding "herbal help" to my routine. "
Hmmmmmm wrote on Oct 2, 2008 1:22 AM:
" This is just a card people to identify those who have the right and those who don't. It is a statewide ID Program. How is it any different than issuing a ID for those who have the right to drive, smoke or those who have the right to buy booze.
Everyone should be allowed to his or her choice of medical treatment. Unlike Mrs. D who seems to think she has the right to judge people over their choice of treatment. And smoking a little medical marijuana does not make you some stoned out pot head anymore than drinking a glass of wine with dinner makes you an alcoholic. I think the key to all of it has to do with moderation not abuse. "
whitey wrote on Oct 2, 2008 1:23 PM:
" Mrs. D....
every disease affects every person DIFFERENTLY. so, what works for you, might not work for someone else.
and to everyone else who has a problem with it...
take a look around Kings County. Like it really mattered that they okayed the cards, everyone smokes anyway. now its just legal for some. "
NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 2, 2008 2:06 PM:
" To Hmmmmm, sorry if not enough m's
Just as you lead off it is a statewide ID, and there is NOBODY in California with a fake drivers license so they can buy booze under the age of 21! Please reread my earlier post about ads directed at college students about how to get a maryjane ID, then you might understand some of my concerns about unsupervised usage. From what I have seen on TRUE documentaries (not Refer Madness) about medical use, yes some of the legal users do get stoned. "
Mrs.D wrote on Oct 2, 2008 2:32 PM:
" RE:Hmmmmmm, I'm not judging anyone. It's just a little suspicious when you want medical marijuana for a condition that requires doctor perscribed medication and another doctor persribed medication for social disorder. The only difference is one is legal and the other isn't. One perscription will lead you to feel better, and the other will zero out all others. "
Mrs.D wrote on Oct 2, 2008 4:48 PM:
" whitey, In this case where Ennes and I share the same condition, why is my medication is working for me and other Graves Disease sufferers? Unless he is not taking the perscribed PTU tablet and beta blockers and just wants the marijuana. Marijuana alone will not treat the condtion. "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Oct 2, 2008 5:53 PM:
" Surgery of any kind is a permanent action. Before anybody makes a permanent decision they need to be sure that it is a permanent solution to a permanent problem. I have not gotten any conclusive evidence from my doctors or from any other source that this is a permanent affliction. So who has the authority to tell me to use a permanent solution to a potentially temporary problem?
I have not called into question anybody's medical decisions, nor do I feel that I have the authority to. I do not feel any obligation to share the intimate details of my health. I think that I have a basic right to privacy in regards to my medical decisions.
If you do not agree with cannabis, then state your reasons. I say to you, that you do not know my situation. If you think that because you share the name of a medical condition that you understand my health, my body, and my medical history, you are mistaken. I do not know yours either. "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Oct 2, 2008 6:01 PM:
" This issue is about patient and doctor rights. It is about right to privacy. Some people with terminal cancer choose to fight it, and suffer the consequences of chemotherapy. Others choose to let the cancer take its course. These decisions are not for me or anybody outside of the decision making process to question.
The fact is that there are people who do not have aggregate success with "one size fits all" medical treatments. Medical cannabis is an alternative for some of these individuals.
No sane person will voluntarily subject themselves to more suffering without a net positive effect. If doctors and patients come to agreement on a medical treatment, and this treatment bears the fruit of success, then there should not be obstacles based on misinformation and blind tradition.
No one wants strangers to tell them how to live their lives. This is especially true for people with illness. One must focus on what can be done, rather than limitations. Illness creates many limitations that are individual to the sufferer. Only loved ones and medical professionals can assist patients in solutions for limitations. "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Oct 2, 2008 6:07 PM:
" Questioning my condition does not have any casual relationship to the issue at hand. Should those whom a doctor feels can benefit from medical cannabis be allowed to use the recommended medication free of threat of arrest? I believe so. I benefit from this idea directly.
Contrary to statements made here, I do not have plans of relying on medical cannabis for the rest of my life. My goal is to not rely on ANY medication for the rest of my life. Sobriety is a treasure unto itself. All drugs, pharmaceutical, legal, illicit or otherwise take people out of the state of sobriety. For some, medical cannabis is an alternative for other medications where the negative effects have a pronounced presence in the individual, or where medical cannabis shows a higher effectiveness.
This is the issue at hand. Eliminate the distractions and think clearly. These decisions can only be made by patients and their caregivers. "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 2, 2008 7:39 PM:
" If it is so harmless, and so gosh-darn good for many folks, why does the Federal Government classify MJ as a Schedule One illegal substance like heroin and opium and other hard drugs?
You can trust your fellow humans to do drugs in "moderation" and then not drive (or operate heavy machinery)?
We can't get them off of the cell phones while driving!
By the way, anyone wanna comment how well THAT new law is doing around our town . . . ? "
Alan G wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:46 AM:
" Alihandero - MJ has been downgraded to class-C illegal substance in the UK since 2006. Now it's a non-arrestable offense in most simple possession cases. There really are bigger fish to fry.
BTW, when you were present at those pot parties in the dorms, did you partake? It's okay, it was the '60's. Groovy man! "
whitey wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:01 PM:
" Mrs D.
If you think one kind of medicine treats each person exactly the same, then you, my dear, are in your own world. If that was the case, then they wouldnt make like 20 different kinds of meds to treat one thing. Its a thing called side effects. I cant take codeine, i get chest pains, and feel like im having a heart attack, but i can take vicodine and have no reactions whatsoever. Just because a medicine works on you doesnt mean it works on others. My sister has graves disease, and yet, she isnt perscribed anything. So, now why is that? "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Oct 3, 2008 12:43 PM:
" Alihandero, I think that is an excellent question. It's one that I don't really have the chemical background to answer. Cannabis prohibition started in 1937. Cannabis was officially removed from the pharmaecopia in 1942. The controlled substance act was enacted in 1970.
I think that there was political reasons for cannabis placement in schedule 1. This has made the blind, double blind scientific study standard difficult to achieve because of the red tape involved in studying the plant. Studies have continued to happen with generally positive results with regards to cannabis. The Schaffer Commission's recommendation to the Reagan administration shows that politics has a large impact on the placement of cannabis.
If/when cannabis is rescheduled I don't know where it will land. The language of the Controlled Substance Act is such that cannabis would be placed relative to other substances. I think that it would be placed in schedule III. I am not a chemist though and cannot state with certainty that this is it's rightful place with regards to the language of the Controlled Substance act. "
NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 3, 2008 1:20 PM:
" To Charlie Ennes, unlike a pill that only affects the individual that consumes it, can you state conclusively that second hand marijuana smoke has no affect on bystanders? And again do not jump on me as I believe that it okay for SUPERVISED use of medicinal marijuana. But how do I know that SOME of those that have the proper ID are not letting others benefit from the second hand smoke? Does the ID limit you on when, where and how you utilize the medical marijuana? Hypothetically wouldn't I be able to tell the cops that I didn't inhale? (JOKE) I could all of the blame on you and your medical marijuana. "
chuck21 wrote on Oct 3, 2008 6:35 PM:
" Hey Alihandero, do you believe in everything the government says or does. They also have an ad council where a kid in a commercial talks about how high he is and then shoots himself, do you yourself believe thats what marijuana does? There are many schedule 2 through 5 drugs that have been demed fit for medical use that carry far greater risks and dangers when used inapropriatly, and they can kill you and cause dependency. If police officers had the ability to do tests everytime they pulled someone over they would be arresting a lot more people for DUI's just because of the amount prescribed medications our drugged out society is on. a lot of nay sayers to medical marijuana thing are pretty hypicritical do to the fact they have at one point been on an altering prescribed RX, or currently on some because that is what we do in America, but that is ok because it's legal and government would never legalize something that would be bad for you would they? There is no difference to me between an alcoholic and an abusisive legal or non legal drug addict.
A duck is a duck. "
Valley Girl wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:22 PM:
" While I am not a user of any drug, I feel this is a positive program. There are people who may truly benefit from marijuana. It is up to the doctors to recognize the phonies, and up to the users, to treat it as any other prescription drug. I watched my mother die from breast cancer that spread to the brain. It was a 5 year battle. The last year of her life doctors fitted her with a morphine pump. All she had to do was press a button and the morphine would be administered at once. This, combined with literally 10-15 other drugs was often not even enough to alleviate her medley of symptoms. Had marijuana been available to her at that time, I'm sure she would've fired up that doobie in a heartbeat. She would've licked a frog if someone said it might help. And who are we to say, under a physician's care, that she shouldn't have? "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:34 AM:
" Hey Alan G,
I live in the USA, not jolly old England. Laws are different there than here, don't you know? Did “Clive” tell you about that
MJ Law across the pond?
I was 100% correct about MJ being a Schedule 1 illegal drug in the United States. Please to go here to educate yourself:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/marijuana.html; its straight html website stuff, not a video segment say produced by “Rocket Science” for Fox, is it now?
Lets make a deal, OK?
I won't tell you how to 'produce' and you won't lecture me about health care in the United States, which has been my professional field for thirty years.
By the way: I watched your HGTV show – it makes for a great home movie – saw the computer nook they made for you which you are probably sitting at right now.
When you are ‘freelance’ you can set your own schedule, right, and that is quite liberating!
Sorry the house didn’t sell though… "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:37 AM:
" Hey Charlie Ennes,
I just wanted to tell you that you are a very erudite and well-spoken individual and I hope your health status improves.
I sincerely mean that. "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:56 AM:
" Hey Alan G,
Well Alan, there I go again! I was watching your special program on the DVR and was distracted. I dang forgot to answer your last snipe.
To repeat the facts, I said this:
"I used to see this form of treatment at my dorm in college."
I didn't attend those wild parties as they were usually on weekends and I drove home to work and study, much like one might do if living in Hanford and driving to, say Fresno State. No place like weekends home for good clean living, home cooked meals, honest work, time for quiet study. Know what I mean? No?
Of course, being a freelance TV producer down in the LA/Hollywood area, you probably see and get invited to more of those ‘parties’ than I could even imagine.
Funny, you don’t look or sound like a Glock owner IMHO.
Hope that answers your question concerning illegal Schedule 1 drugs et al. "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Oct 4, 2008 3:51 PM:
" Thanks for the support Alihandero. The war wages on. I will probably be going to see a specialist at Stanford soon. Hopefully answers will follow. Most likely there will only be more questions though. Every time I start a new battery of tests I expect it to take a couple months before any conclusions are reached. Patience isn't a virtue, it's a means of survival. "
Melissa wrote on Oct 4, 2008 6:05 PM:
" Amanda R there is a difference between getting an ID to smoke legally and selling illegally. Now what happened to those involved in that crash was a tragedy to say the least, but he was running most likely because he had all that marijuana in his car not because he was high. No where in the article did it say he was under the unfluence. It did however say he had it in his possesion so he was probly selling it. I do not know how much documentary t.v, you watch but from what I understand dealers do not use thier product. I am glad to see though that he was punished for that horrible accident. But i still think ID cards are a great thing for those who need it. "
Alan G wrote on Oct 5, 2008 11:19 AM:
" Alihandero - I don't recall disputing MJ's classification in the US. You know as well as I that our country tends to be a bit puritanical on some issues. Can't deny the big $$ and jobs generated by keeping MJ classified as schedule 1 (can you say Prison Guard's Union?). Being that you so fervently obey the law, would you support the law if it were changed?
So you work in the healthcare industry, eh? Perhaps you can enlighten us all on what your area of extertise is so we can defer to you. Clerical? Hospital maintenance staff? Nurse? Physician? Pharmacist? Addiction specialist? Lab tech? There's no IMDB for the fast-paced, exciting world of healthcare workers, so I'll have to just ask you directly.
You say I don't "look or sound like a Glock owner"? Hmmm, I'm not sure what a gun owner should look like, but I'm even thinking of joining the NRA. That would be a fun t-shirt to wear to the office. *Note to self.
Lastly, did we happen to cross paths at Artworks when I met Jackie for coffee? "
Mrs.D wrote on Oct 6, 2008 2:09 PM:
" RE: whitey, Don't ask me why your sister being treated for Graves Disease. Have you asked her why she hasn't seen an endocrinologist? Taking medical marijuana to treat will be the wrong thing to do, of course. "
whitey wrote on Oct 6, 2008 6:07 PM:
" mrs d
my sister is diabetic. she has an insulin pump.
her thyroid isnt a problem anymore, but she has graves disease.
she doesnt touch drugs. any of them. except her insulin. she goes to the doctor regularly. "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:51 PM:
" Hey "Alan G,"
You asked me this:
"Being that you so fervently obey the law, would you support the law if it were changed?"
Yes, I obey the law now - any law. I will continue to obey laws, much to your chagrin.
Why can't you understand that?
Continuing on this topic, perhaps some freelance producer with time on his hands could take a meeting with like-minded individuals or write up a treatment of this topic for PBS or some cable channel?
What do you think?
PS. No, Alan, I didn't meet you at the ‘ArtWorks.' No one showed sufficient interest for that ‘meet and greet,' or so I thought. I never met Jackie either. It's just with all of your longtime posting here, talking about your one genius kid and one gifted kid, proclaiming your family's roots going way back in our area, your house makeover on that TV series on HGTV, the Sentinel interview with you - that's why you seem so familiar. Any publicity is good publicity, right Alan? "
Alan G wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:43 AM:
" Alihandero - In regards to the use of medical marijuana, you posted the following...
"I won't tell you how to 'produce' and you won't lecture me about health care in the United States, which has been my professional field for thirty years."
Since you avoided the question in your last post, I'll ask again... What specifically is your field of expertise within the healthcare industry so that we may all defer to you on medical marijuana matters?
I just share my opinions, but now you've presented yourself as an expert.
Inquiring minds want to know. "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:44 PM:
" Hey "Alan G,"
You said this:
"I just share my opinions, but now you've presented yourself as an expert."
Nope, I did not put myself on that lofty 'expert' plateau. Just the field where I worked and where you could go online for some education on MJ use in the U.S., not Britain - which you presented here for exactly what reason? Better have someone check the continuity here, Alan.
Once again, I'll give you another ‘Tell you what . . . '
Tell you what, when you organize another local ‘meet and greet'' at the Artworks, I will come over and buy you a libation of your choice - on me, no strings attached.
Then you can ask me all the questions you want about my personal or professional life.
It will be fun and much more appropriate, don'tcha think?
Unless you see me on some cable TV program commenting on the health care delivery system or read my resume on the LinkedIn online site, well, you will just have to wait . . . "
civicmind wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:51 AM:
" I have to agree there is a medical need for many ill persons. However, are we talking about these persons or are we talking about those that just enjoy smoking pot? The article says, "Currently there is no medical marijuana dispensaries in Kings County." For all those who smoke but don't grow their own, where and who are they buying from? Have we just made drug dealers legal? "
Charlie Ennes wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:51 PM:
" civicmind, if someone who is currently selling illegally wants to go through the process of becoming a dispensiary, they need to comply with state standards as well as get local approval to set up shop in the same manner that ANY business must. This card does not protect from federal arrest. This card does not protect from intoxicated driving arrest. This card does not protect from arrest in concerns with cultivation with intent to sell. It does not protect against arrest from sale.
It does one thing. It protects people that can prove a medicinal need from arrest for possession and paraphernalia. It protects people that can prove a medicinal need from arrest for cultivating a PERSONAL supply.
It is not a slippery slope. It is a voluntary program with the intent of clarification for law enforcement. It is a unified identification program to represent medical referrals. The medical referral is still the most important legal document involved in the process. "
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