aufever wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:43 PM:
" This points out that Obama is totally out of touch with the real world since he has NO Experience in the Business World, He has no idea how small businesses pay for fixed inventory. His only experience is limited to a very short time as a lawyer and then 2 terms as a State Senator and less than 1 term as a US Senator. That's a very empty suit to run on. I would like to know where he got his money early on. Someone has bought and paid for him. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:29 PM:
" To: aufever, very astute observation of an empty suit, with an empty plan to redistribute the wealth from those who work to earn it to those who punch a time clock 8 hours a day and go home or don't work at all. Why should anyone work 12 to 16 hours per day to make someone else's life better when it could make their own families life better? Isn't working your way from dust to nuggets what the American Dream is all about. Only to get there and find out the nugget is smaller because of redistributing the wealth according to a Politician? Obama is changing the American Dream from those willing to work and earn it to those not so willing to make the necessary sacrifice to live a better way of life. Guess what sports fans it is people like you and me paying for that luxury for a first time, on the job learning junior Senator with all the answers to America's problems. The answer is to put it on the backs of those courageous americans doing what they were programmed to do for all those years. "
jeff wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:08 PM:
" Fred,
I’m not sure if you’re aware or not but someone who punches a time clock and works 8 hours a day has a job. They are paying taxes. They are “Earning” it. Do you work? Are you living sole on money you earned when you were working? Your healthcare, mortgage, car, car insurance and groceries etc. All of this is paid for with money you earned when you were working and saved? If not well, sorry you’re a socialist. Since you’re unaware, Obama’s tax plan has a must work clause in it. People who don’t work aren’t going to get anything they aren’t already. We have been redistributing the wealth for years. This is not a new concept and rich people and huge corporations have been benefitting from that for a long time. Poor people aren’t the only ones on welfare in this country. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:01 PM:
" Jeff, tell me how many people you intend to employ with your handout if Nobama is elected? McCain wants to place the money in the hands of people who do hire people in this country, pay payroll taxes, workman's compensation, healthcare, social security, medicare and all other business taxes. It makes sense to me if you want to put people to work you give money to the people in the business of putting people to work, not their employees.
Furthermore, what I live off of is my business, I worked 35 years accumulating it and I don't owe you or anyone else an explination of my income. There you go again trying to pry where the constitution says you don't have a right to pry.
I hope you do half as well working for ACORN as I did working for many large companies in SOCAL by the time you are eligible to retire or are forced out through health problems. Since we still don't know the full impact of doing drugs and their long term effect, I am sure you will have some health problems. As we get older we all do have health issues. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:03 PM:
" Jeff, I got you and your other buddy confused you don't work for ACORN that would be the much more successful drug user dose' who has that distinction.
If I couldn't do better than ACORN with all it's stigma, I'd dig ditches anything but work for them. "
jay wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:11 PM:
" I was in Fresno yesterday and saw a man on the side of the street with his hand out. He also had a sign "vote for Obama, I need money". I decided to go out for lunch and the waitress had an "Obama 08" pin on. I had to chuckle at both. When the bill came, I paid it, but told the waitress that I was going to give the $5 tip to the bum outside--to redistribute the wealth. Boy was she mad. She was working hard, he was sitting. "
SJT wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:52 PM:
" Jay's, that's one heart-warming story. I bet you walked around with a magnifying glass when you were a kid. Ever throw a live cat in an incinerator? I bet that's fun as all get-out too!
Wondering how you felt when you contributed your share to bailout those Wall St. boys. Am sure it was a heckuvalot more than five bucks. "
B. wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:56 AM:
" If NOBAMA is elected...God help us...we`ll lose Bush`s tax breaks, then he`ll raise taxes, plus take an additional 15% from your total income to spread the wealth. Anyone who has voted or plans to vote for this socialist is nothing but stupid.
And, I don`t care if you libs like my comments or not. "
Dandre wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:30 AM:
" We have just witnessed the biggest CORPORATE SOCIALIST ripoff in history and the rightwing idiocracy is still standing around blaming the guy, whose house 'burned down' from his HEAVILY MARKETED 'sub-prime mortgage', for using the 'socislistic' fire department.
Since the first steps of VOODOO ECONOMICS the wealth of this country has been redistributed to the 'top' at unprecedented speed and the ignorant masses blame themselves.
The Bush tax cuts have created how many jobs? Fred, your rant makes absolutely NO SENSE. "
Sid wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:21 AM:
" Ah, the "return" of SJT...
Jay had a great example of applied Obominations which SJT refuted with not logic or a similar demonstration, but one of sarcastic name calling and anger.
SJT, I don't think anyone is happy with the "Wall Street bailout". But you need to understand the economic decline really started and accelerated due to Fannie/Freddie dishing out subprime mortgages to folks who couldn't afford them. And that was done at the INSISTANCE of the democrats in the Congress and the Clinton Administration over the last decade or so.
And since the democratic controlled Congress in 2006, it was exasperated by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd not doing their jobs. But at least Dodd got that sweet Countrywide Mortgage for himself!
(Notice how he isn't on TV /newspapers at all as of late? And a former democratic candidate for President, too). "
Deb wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:24 PM:
" Sid - Are you fully aware that Freddie/Fannie DO NOT create mortgages? That is/was not their function? If you're not aware, I'd encourage you or anyone to actually read at least the wikipedia which for the most part sums up the varying factors.
It's easy to point blame to one factor. But, this goes as high as the government and as low as the sellers and buyers and much in-between.
The operative word is greed on many levels, democratic & republican.
It was the fault of democrats and republicans alike. It was out and out gambling - banking on the fact that housing values would continue to rise.
there were a lot of things at work and to sum it up in less than 200 words (Sentinel's limit) is rather naive. Some of the factors:
Housing Market
Speculation
Lending Practices
Securitization practices
Inaccurate credit ratings (non consumer based)
Government/bank policies
Financial Institution debt levels
AND more... Not all of the above is government regulated and now we face the question of should it be? "
SJT wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:24 PM:
" Thanks for the warm welcome, Sid. Been devoting most of my energies to work lately, am not yet privileged enough to sit behind a keyboard each day, all day like many among us here. So much to do, so little time. By the way, even Alan Greenspan admits that there are many more significant elements of the Wall St. crash besides Freddie & Fannie, and also admits his own failure to sound the alarms and act swiftly (hoping the problem would go away, instead?).
B., ya know, it's not so much whether this Liberal likes your comment so much as it is to note that your comment is actually little more than a lie. "
Deb wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:19 PM:
" B or anyone who's interested: Example: Cisco Systems, the second-most valuable company in America, paid no federal income taxes for its latest fiscal year.
For the fiscal year ended July 31, Cisco had $23 billion in sales last year, $2.7 billion in net income. They paid no federal income taxes. Where did their money go? Did it trickle down economically like the republicans and their trickle down theory would suggest?
Oh, and the first thing to go when times get tough - jobs. 3 quarters of a million jobs lost this year already. Not corporate bonuses or golden parachute packages - jobs.
Under an Obama plan, through tax savings, we the people would spend money to those we choose - providing income to the corporate world to increase their wealth/expand. Consumers like to spend... look to 12th & Lacey.
Some say "socialism" or worse, Palin's suggestion of Marxism - that's an easy way to not have to think. It's divisive politics - why can't you simply say, you prefer letting corporate America control if and how you'll get the money? "
B. wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:32 PM:
" SJT.....you are living proof as to what I`m talking about. The first thing Obama said he would do is get rid of Bush`s tax breaks, he also said he WILL raise taxes. What do you think Democrats are all about. There answer to EVERYTHING is raise taxes. Look what they`ve done to Ca. And your buddies back in DC have done the same thing to our once beautiful country. You better open your eyes. And, when it happens, I`ll have a lot of fun saying.....I told you so. "
Deb wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:40 PM:
" Using the Joe's of the world, as McCain does and the example above is misleading and to see HOW they are misleading if one actually wants to educate themselves on the issue is to go to
http://www.cbpp.org/8-29-08tax.htm The Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
It's easy to fall into step with those we admire, but there's always going to be the spin. Even Fox admits that when they say all news media is biased. "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:35 PM:
" Hey folks,
"Deb" once again references a left wing socialist organization to ‘prove' her point!
Her "Center on Budget and Policy Priorities" is, well, just read this:
"According to New York Times reporter Matt Bai, CBPP (Center on Budget and Policy Priorities) is one of three left wing think tanks funded by the Democracy Alliance. The other two are the Center for American Progress and the Economic Policy Institute. According to Bai's account, representatives of CBPP and the other two Democracy Alliance-sponsored think tanks attended the May 2006 meeting of the Democracy Alliance at the Barton Creek Resort near Austin, Texas. Their role was to "talk about the agendas they were busy crafting that would catapult Democratic politics into the economic future."..."
(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_on_Budget_and_Policy_Priorities)
Neither fair nor balanced, eh "Deb?"
Senator McCain is not misleading us; "Deb" is. "
dose wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:51 PM:
" I wonder if there is a single republican who reads this website, who can explain to me exactly what is mcsame's economic plan for America. Or what his plan to fix healthcare or to end the war in iraq is. As far as I can tell he is planning on doing everything exactly the same as bush is. And look at how well that has worked out for us. "
Deb wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:14 PM:
" Alihandro ? Your point? Don't you have a right wing source to add? I was encouraging people to educate themselves, with that reference as a starting point. Even the most recent economics pulitzer prize winner had this to say about cbpp:
"[The Center's] statistical work is absolutely impeccable; there is nothing at all like it on the right, or anywhere else. . . . If you care about [fiscal issues], check CBPP's site regularly for updates." Paul Krugman
Yea, yea, you'll say Krugman is a liberal, but don't forget to add progressive, who stands up against others for allowing the free market to work. Oh yea, he's also a columnist for the NYT, so since the McCain camp dislikes them I'm sure you will too. But, I've yet to see you quote anything other than the wiki...which of course has it's on slant. Have a GREAT day, Ali "
Deb wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:16 PM:
" Alihandro - you feel McCain has the right way of doing it - enlighten all of us as to how it is different from Bush - beyond that 3 % pork barrel spending. B/C Palin plans on using that 3% for autistic research. Can't worry about those apple moths... So, enlighten us, please and lets just use bi-partisan sources since you're so against partisan sources. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:12 AM:
" dose' last year when you filled out your income taxes did you see a block for a $5,000.00 credit for purchasing your own healthcare? No you didn't because that is a large part of McCain's health plan completely different than President Bush's. As for McCain's plan to get out of Iraq, President Bush finally listened and it is happening as I blog. 8,000 marines pulled out of the most war torn area of Falujah just last week and turned it over to the Iraqi Army. Remember the Surge!, well that was the result of McCain's effort to get more boots on the ground to get the War in Iraq over, but not just over but as a victory for the Iraqi people and the United States. Then he will move on to Afgahanistan with a similar program dose, don't you ever read the news or watch to anything but the liberal television networks? As for his running mate, she has more experience than Obama/Biden combined in Executive Government starting from day one. She took on big oil, Obama just takes on big donations, which you will see reformed before the next election. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:26 AM:
" Deb - once again picks and chooses very carefully her subject matter and sources to ensure nothing can be favorable toward the right. It all comes with a slant to the left and some of it is like a bull charging to the left, more often than not.
What the World Needs Now Is Love, Sweet Love! That is what Nobama wants the National Anthem changed to folks! A National Anthem that was written by Francis Scott Key (1814) soon to be 200 years. He wants to change the seal of the President of the United States. He refuses to honor the flag that originally was laid across the lap of Betsy Ross (1777) and hand sewn. The same flag that flew over Iwo Jima, Guadalcanal, New Guenea, the twin towers, pentagon and every military instillation, school yard, U. S,. Embacy here and acrossed the world. These are facts folks. He even wants to redesign the Presidential Seal which was last updated by Harry Truman in 1945. Is this the kind of change you want for our country Deb? (Continued) "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:35 AM:
" Deb - This the kind of change you want for America? A President who organizes his way into the White House only with designs on changing everything American about America? That isn't my idea of change, that is my idea of a destruction of our heritage, history, diplomacy and basic tributes to this great country. What is not sacred under this man's so called leadership and charge? Is the Constitution of the United States of America also up for grabs with this so called Organizer? Perhaps he has designs on changing it as well?
How is all this disclosed and planned change going to help stimulate our economy? How is it going to refinance homes so americans don't become homeless? How is it going to demonstrate to our allies we are the same trusting souls and partners we have always been? Changing the Politic in our country has never meant sacrificing friends and allies before now. Joseph Biden has no respect of the Ireal Leadership and they don't even know who Obama is other than a brief meeting. Joseph Biden and Jimmy Carter aren't allowed in Isreal. "
B. wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:03 AM:
" The 3 stooges of DC......
Reed
Pelosi
Frank
And you Democrats have the nerve to say the Republicans are the problem. "
Deb wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:32 PM:
" Watchdog, we all know your opinion, please provide facts and sources for your cause.
One of the biggest tripping points for me over the McCain health insurance plan is there is no answer to "pre-existing conditions" and insurance companies refusing to carry you...
Can you show me how someone will be covered after they've had a bout of cancer - lost their job, and are seeking private coverage?
Simple question - do you have an answer? "
Deb wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:45 PM:
" B - George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are at the top of my list. I even voted for Bush in 2004 in a completely wrong way - I hoped he'd have another 4 years to make up for his mistakes. Look where that got us...
And, it would seem even the most staunch republicans think the republicans are the problem of late. "
Dandre wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:46 PM:
" Sooooo, all you locksteppers agree with McCain that Bush and the rethuglican party has been a disaster?
and Sara 'the sessionist, socialist' is the new 'face' of your party?
That would explain the ignorance behind the lack of econmic understanding all over this thread....
IS THAT A BEE ON YOUR FACE!!!!! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 27, 2008 5:55 PM:
" Deb try these two sites and see what you think of your candidate:
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVv1J5IDZNE
http//www.youtube.com/user//ForBibleTruth
Ali, you might be interested in this as well. "
Deb wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:18 PM:
" Oh yea... those... Watchdog what would I do without you?
Read snopes "
dose wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:04 PM:
" You are absolutely right Fred, Mccain does plan on giving me and the rest of America a $5,000 tax credit. He also plans on taxing my healthcare premiums to the tune of $12,000 dollars, so if he gives me five grand and then takes twelve grand I don't really see where the benifit to me is.
As for Iraq in the sense that violence is down, yes the surge has worked. In the sense of a political resolution then no the surge is not working. The Iraqi government has so far refused to sign the status of forces aggrement and as soon as we leave civil war is most assuredly to break out.
As for Sarah Palin you're right she does have executive experience, it's just too bad she has been a complete failure. Alaska has the highest use of federal tax dollars and the lowest return. They also have the highest rate of alcoholism and domestic violence per capita. She is also a socialist who takes the profits from state resources to make the citizens rich, have you ever heard of the Alaskan Permanent Fund. Its funny how you dont seem to mind when its a republican. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:48 AM:
" dose' I can understand how, I can say you would receive a $5,000 credit to purchase health insurance. But how did you come up with a $12,000.00 tax for your health program? ACORN must provide excellent benefits for you guys if the tax on the policy is rated to be taxed at $12k? That would mean you must be earning about $300k a year in income to begin with to pay those kind of taxes. $300k doesn't even put you in the highest 35% bracket so I think your addition, subtraction and multiplication figures are all off base. Did you use the new math to compute those figures?
What now you are willing to admit that if the United States pulls out of Iraq like NObama wants to, that civil war will break out. Gee when Bush kept saying that, you guys wouldn't admit it. You kept calling that Bush Talk. Well now I guess that it is getting closer to the change in Washington you've locked step and are saying the same thing George W. did a year ago. How interesting is that sports fans? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:55 AM:
" TO: dose wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:04 PM:
Evidently you don't know this but Alaska is our fiftieth state, but that's o.k. your candidate announced at a rally the other day he had visited his 57th state and that didn't include Alasks and Hawaii in the fifty states. But getting back to your lesson, alcholism has been a problem in Alaska since the 1950's and the redistribution of wealth program has gone on there long before Sarah Palin was ever elected. She did however re-negotiate oil land use with the Oil Companies and in doing so gave all citizens in Alaska their own taxes back for their own use. Isn't that kind of what your hero wants to do? Only he wants to put that burden on the companies that really create jobs. I ask you once again dose, if the government gives you a few thousand dollars how many more people will you put to work with that money? You may not like big business, but that is who hires people in mass and in bad times they lay them off in mass, so they need help too. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:56 AM:
" I may frame this comment and hang it in the living room:
dose wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:04 PM:
" You are absolutely right Fred, "
aufever wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:08 AM:
" I think that Deb and dose should read this article
http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html
Also dose, if I was Governor of Alaska and drilling in ANWR would produce good paying jobs for native Alaskans, and a group of uniformed people in the lower 46 were preventing this from happening, I would want to Secede also. That's at least 11 Billion Barrels of Oil and just think how much revenue that would mean for Native Americans. Btw, Governor Palins husband is Native Alaskan. It has also come out that Obama wants to Re-distribute the wealth in America. I personally would like to see the tax on Social Security Benefits that Biden voted for and Al Gore was the deciding vote in 1993 be repealed. "
jeff wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:53 AM:
" Given that this discussion is about tax plans I thought this was rather funny. This morning on my drive to work I listened to the liberal talk radio station and the conservative one. The liberal station was discussing the economy and had two economic strategists on as guests. They were dissecting the differences between Obama’s plan and McCain’s. On the conservative channel they were discussing whether or not Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii, there guest was a journalist from the magazine that started the fake story about Obama not being a natural citizen. So one station was discussing different ways to fix our country and the other was discussing a made up ad hominem attack. Republicans are running out of legitimate arguments. "
jeff wrote on Oct 28, 2008 11:04 AM:
" Fred,
I tried both the URL's you pasted and neither worked. Either you're making stuff up or the internet (The tubes according to recently convicted Republican Alaskan Senator Ted Stevens) is a tool you are familiar with. "
dose wrote on Oct 28, 2008 11:44 AM:
" Here is what Sarah Palin has to say about her socialist agenda:
A few weeks before she was nominated for Vice-President, she told a visiting journalist—Philip Gourevitch, of this magazine—that "we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs."
This is an interview she gave to the New York Times. Here is a link to the interview.
http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2008/11/03/081103taco_talk_hertzberg "
Paul wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:08 PM:
" We now have Sen. Stevens, who is now a conviced "felon" who wants to stay in the race. Can he vote now? Many people are making it an issue that Acorn is signing up other convicted felons. We also now have Joe the Plummber who has turned out to owe back taxes and maybe behind on child support. He doesn't make 250,000 and he has said he plans to run for congress. Palin has pulled her own stunts that have be investigated and her husband belongs to a seperatist Alaskan group.
So, how can you not vote Republican? "
Deb wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:57 PM:
" Jeff - they work once you place a colon after the http: Fred left that out, not purposely, I'm sure.
Good point, Jeff on talk radio - I listen to the mostly liberal KGO from SF, although, they've got some right wingers there as well.
The difference is quite stark in relation to say, KMJ-580.
I listen to both, but I've had to stop listening to KMJ while driving. LOL It's detrimental to both my health and the well being of others at times. :) "
dose wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:26 PM:
" So Fred are you saying that since alcoholism was a problem in Alaska before Palin was governor it is then not her responsibility to do anything to help the citizens of her state. And since the Permenant Fund also existed before Palin it is ok for her to continue with a socialist practice? Another instance of "It's ok if you're a republican" I think. You're hypocracy is outstanding Fred. "
jeff wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:31 PM:
" HAH thanks Deb, I didn't even notice that the colons were missing. I never imagined he typed the URL's instead of just pasting them but he must have.
And I work for an ISP, I should have known better! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:38 PM:
" To: dose' no, what I am saying is anyone who has decided to give up their wink link be it drugs or alcohol knows it doesn't give immediate relief overnight. It is a process, that takes many years also it can't even start until the individual theirself decides to give it up. That is what I was saying dose, sorry it was too cmplicated for you to understand or comprehend. Evidently you have not chosen to give up your wink links yet.
dose wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:26 PM:
" So Fred are you saying that since alcoholism was a problem in Alaska before Palin was governor it is then not her responsibility to do anything to help the citizens of her state. And since the Permenant Fund also existed before Palin it is ok for her to continue with a socialist practice? Another instance of "It's ok if you're a republican" I think. You're hypocracy is outstanding Fred. " "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:41 PM:
" To: jeff wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:31 PM:
" HAH thanks Deb, I didn't even notice that the colons were missing. I never imagined he typed the URL's instead of just pasting them but he must have.
And I work for an ISP, I should have known better! "
I am sorry for confusing someone who has such a vast knowledge of a computer, don't they call them geeks? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:48 PM:
" To: dose - Boy anything to protect your precious employer ACORN eh' dose. I do believe those are initials and should be capitalized, correct me if I am wrong? I bet you signed up a few felons on your watch as well their sparky! Wouldn't surprise many of us, if you did.
We all know your previous work title while residing in Hanford, CA. They just haveen't traced your URL yet to find you. Must be small potato's or something!
You just don't understand, so I will explain it we open up the envelope we pull out the ballot and we look down the list to McCain and Palin and then we draw a line across several times and connect the arrow that says YES. Which in reality is a NO VOTE FOR NOBAMA! Now do you get it?
Kids give them more than one tinker toy and they are lost!. "
Dandre wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:26 PM:
" Watching the 'peasants' defend the 'feudal lords' is amazing!
The conservative manipulation of the 'rabble' has never been so stark! The 'angry white vote' era was the last time conservatism was forced to bare its 'soul' or lackof, but that was nothing compared to this.
The CEO of WAMU worked there 17 days before the failure of that bank and walked away with 20 million dollars and nobody said a word..... too busy trying to CATCH that 'non-existent' welfare queen that Reagan fabricated
B….I’ll see your 3 stooges and raise you about 200….
http://www.republicanoffenders.com/ "
MelMAOB wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:56 PM:
" I'm voting for Obama...After the mess Bush created...any person is better than another republican!!! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:03 PM:
" Now just a darn minute, it was Colin Powell who stated he "didn't sign on to support Barack Obama just because of his race." So Colin is the first one to make this race about race, so point your finger in the right direction their Dandre'. He may be a Republican but evidently he is black first.
He once again was also the one to sit before the entire United Nations and point out photo after photo of suspected WMD in Iraq and support a vote to take the action, that was taken. So if you want to find the culprit for Iraq and why race now plays a part you need look no further. NObama has lost four points on his lead since the endorsement took place by the way.
Nobama produces one previous Secretary of State to back him and John S. McCain of McCain and Palin have all the living secretaries left. I think that says volumes of the confidence in Nobama as CIC. "
kitty on the keyboard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:09 AM:
" Jay-
Glad you're proud of your little story. I'm sure John McCain and you're fellow Republicans are proud too of your story of screwing over a working person. "
Deb wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:27 AM:
" Watchdog: You paraphase Powell incorrectly. He was asked a direct question with regard to race:
From the transcript at msnbc:
MR. BROKAW: And you are fully aware that there will be some ... who will say this is an African-American, distinguished American, supporting another African-American because of race.
GEN. POWELL: If I had only had that in mind, I could have done this six, eight, 10 months ago. I really have been going back and forth between somebody I have the highest respect and regard for, John McCain, and somebody I was getting to know, Barack Obama. And it was only in the last couple of months that I settled on this.
He was asked a direct question and the answer is clear.
Was there a bias? Possibly, but he's a man who can be trusted to take out as much bias as any out of the equation. "
Deb wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:30 AM:
" Watchdog: To your comment about him being responsible for what was presented at the UN:
Presentation to the UN was a part of his job as Secty of State, he did not go get all that material he presented. He was given that information and his job was to interpret and support the Pres.
Where was the information from? The CIA and the Bush admin. Rumsfeld... the list is large.
To attempt to infer that he was responsible for seeing through the lies of those who presented the info is outright wrong.
What Powell is guilty of, is blind loyalty. He was uncomfortable and should have pushed back, but didn't. "
Deb wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:45 AM:
" Watchdog: Other fine conservative Republican endorsements with no reason to bring race into the issue.
The first Vietnam Vet to serve in the US Senate: Larry Pressler
Christoper Buckley, son of Conservative William F. Buckley
Ken Adelman
Frmr Senator Mathias Jr.
Frmr Regan Solicitor General, Charles Fried
Former McCain adviser Charles Fried
Former Bush Press Secty - Scott McClellan
Susan Eisenhower
Frmr GOP Rep. Jim Leac
Frmr Sen. Lincoln Chafee
I guess all these people are whacko, unpatriotic and all the other unslightly adjectives you, BlueFalcon and Alihandro have use for us liberal lefties. :) I'm actually quite a conservative lefty, But when it comes to social injustices and civil rights I'm not with the right. "
Deb wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:51 AM:
" With regard to socialism - the very best, although the commentator can be a little extreme - much like O'Reilly - was Keith Oberman's commentary on Palin - Socialist Fraud.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27424491/
It's really quite true and oh so funny.
For those of you who of course would never venture over to MSNBC - whether on the TV or web, it speaks to Palin and how socialist Alaska is. And speaks to just how different the lower 48 are - yea, us down here and how we don't understand...
I have to go watch it again so I can get another laugh. "
Dandre wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:41 AM:
" Yo, Fred! Colin Powell has more Patriotic Honor in his little finger than the Bush and Cheney families COMBINED!
The lies in his UN presentation belonged to Bush and Cheney and they EXPLOITED his STELLAR reputation. To question Colin Powell's patriotism and judgement is moronic
Rush ‘the oxi-junkie, caught with someone else’s viagra, coming back from a country known for under-age prostitution’ Limbaugh couldn’t lick this MAN’S boots and his treatment of Powell’s endorsement was obscene, how do you still listen to that garbage…..
and did you hear, Charlie Crist, fla., just extended poll times from 8 to 12 hrs. Repubican response, ‘He just gave Fla to Obama’……Ole’ Charlie is evidently, conceding to Obama and positioning himself for his own 2012 run for the WH….the ‘circular logic’ is forming a ‘circular firing squad’ "
dose wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:03 AM:
" Fred I don't recall ever asking you to explain to me the voting process. I understand it pretty well considering I voted for Obama on Oct. 6 the first day of early voting here in Ohio. As far as registering felons, what is the big deal it is legal for felons to vote in the state of Ohio as well as in Califonria. It is legal for felons to vote in many states in the country. If you actually understood politics and the law you might be dangerous Fred, but since you don't I sleep well at night. "
jeff wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:43 AM:
" Fred, yes we are called geeks and I am proud to be one. Didn’t you know geeks are in this century?
The only reason Colin Powell said that is because the media and Republican pundits everywhere asked him. Plus, did you notice his statement was that he isn’t backing Obama because of race. Seems like you’re the only one talking about a race issue here. "
scoreboard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:49 PM:
" TO FRED:
You can re-run or even be a senator as a felon...havn't you been watching the news.... "
scoreboard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:17 PM:
" ALSO ONE MORE POINT:
I just read on msnbc.msn that as a grovernor, she pushed for $250 million in renewable energy research - an additional $60 million rebates for ALASKANS to make their homes "energy efficient" where is that coming from which tax laws was that from.....isn't that redistributing the wealth just in a republican way.... "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:00 PM:
" To Dandre' O.K. folks I'll leave it up to you keep replaying this blurb from Dandre and see what you make of it!
"The lies in his UN presentation belonged to Bush and Cheney"
Dandre' are you telling me that they forced Powell to set before the United Nations on world television and tell lie after lie after lie about the intelligence his folks gathered on WMD in Iraq? Is that the bill of goods you are trying to sell on line now. Colin Powell, that man of all men who no one told what to do, that four star General? Then why after he resigned did he not come forward and admit he was duped by Bush and Cheney? He just slowly melted into the woodwork when the war wasn't over in one year. You're gonna have to do a lot better than this one comrad.
What's next Bush is responsible for Chevez, Kim and all the other tyrants around the globe, this is getting as good as the cartoons use to be on Saturday. You think we are just as gulible as well, how unique. WRONG! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:05 PM:
" To: Jeff, you said this:
The only reason Colin Powell said that is because the media and Republican pundits everywhere asked him. Plus, did you notice his statement was that he isn’t backing Obama because of race. Seems like you’re the only one talking about a race issue here. "
Do you mean to tell me that is all it takes to ask a four star General, a leader, commander and self made man to dupe the country and he does it blindly without question? This is the same guy who ran and operated the Pentagon and oversaw all five of our services, is this the same man Jeff?
I don't think so, I think he would have stopped along about photo 8 and said; I can't do this, it's lies and I am not participating. Photo after Photo sworn before the United Nations to be factual evidence of WMD in Iraq. Now you have two possibilities, the photos were right and Sadam moved them or Colin Powell lied before the nation by being asked by George Bush? In either case you have to admit defeat on this one, Jeff. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:26 PM:
" scoreboard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:49 PM:
" TO FRED:
You can re-run or even be a senator as a felon...havn't you been watching the news.... "
Also if you will do a little research this fact was only pushed to the surface in 2004 to try and gain support for John Kerry in the bay area.
scoreboard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:49 PM:
" TO FRED:
You can re-run or even be a senator as a felon...havn't you been watching the news.... "
This was the propoganda of the day:
Jackie Woodard, 33, of Oakland, fits the bill. A felon with a self- described "long rap sheet" including attempted murder, Woodard registered and plans to vote for Democrat John Kerry, in part because he fears Bush will reinstate the draft.
Also in the same article two defense attorney's and a judge said they had no idea this 30 year right was on the books. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:31 PM:
" To briefly answer your question, that came from a put together well balanced executive whom I pray will be our next Vice President. That is called walking the talk my friend. She delivered on a campaign promise, I know that is hard for a demobrat to comprehend. She not only has looks, management skills and executive experience she knows how to keep her word. So many things I know you as a demobrat aren't use to receiving from your parties candidates. She's done more for Alaska in one term than Arnold has done for Cal-i- forn-ya in two terms. More than Joseph Biden & Barack Obama combined.
scoreboard wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:17 PM:
" ALSO ONE MORE POINT:
I just read on msnbc.msn that as a grovernor, she pushed for $250 million in renewable energy research - an additional $60 million rebates for ALASKANS to make their homes "energy efficient" where is that coming from which tax laws was that from.....isn't that redistributing the wealth just in a republican way.... "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:40 PM:
" Dandre' once again with all your multitude of knowledge about the economy please answer just one question for me. You being of the Middle Class and in receipt of all this windfall tax break from your Lordship Nobama, how many people do you plan on employing on a yearly permanent basis with this money?
Say what you will but even the biggest of oil companies have many more employees than you will ever have. So don't feel bad, but I'd rather give a business owner money to grow than the Middle Class the right to Crow!
In the Depression era the biggest employer was the Federal Government, is that what you want to see again? Your idea of redistributing the wealth entails layoffs at Ford, Chrysler, GMC that will be unprecidented in our history. The Federal Government did just the opposite during the last depression, when they finally could they turned auto factories into defense plants and built the war machine that brought the victories in Europe. That made the 3rd Riech fail and Hitler commit suicide for his genocide. A full blown supported effort by the entire population that wasn't communist. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:06 PM:
" To: Dandre' you failed to paste John McCain's response listing the five former Secretary of State's who did support him.
"Well, I have always admired and respected General Powell. We are longtime friends. This doesn't come as a surprise. But I am also very pleased to have the endorsement of four former secretaries of state ... and I am proud to have the endorsement of well over 200 retired army generals and admirals," McCain said, noting the support offered by Henry Kissinger, James Baker, Lawrence Eagleburger and Alexander Haig.
Along with over 200 retired army generals and navy admirals.
It's funny how these comments are always left out of your statements. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:10 PM:
" To: Dandre' this sounds like it came right out of Mccain's lips but it was actually spoken by none other than the imfamous Colin Powell.
Powell, who has been critical of the war in Iraq despite repeatedly saying he supported the decision to go in, said he is more concerned with the future than the past.
"We now see that things are a lot better in Iraq. Maybe if we had put a surge in in the beginning, it would've been a lot better," he said.
Let me repeat that we now see that things are alot better in Iraq. Wasn't Powell in charge as Secretary of State in the beginning of Iraq? Wouldn't you think he might have made a suggestion or two for a surge at that point?
This guy wants all the credit and none of the blame, just like his chosen candidate Barack Hussein Obama....... "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:04 PM:
" Dandre' just in case you forgot what Dr. Kissinger did while in and out of office as Secretary of State here is just a short list to remind you:
Commissioned Secretary of State in President Nixon's Cabinet on September 21, 1973, entered upon duties on September 22, 1973,
Continued in office under President Ford, and served until January 20, 1977;
Among other accomplishments as Secretary of State, was instrumental in the signing of cease-fire agreements by Israel with Egypt and Syria in 1973;
Promoted policy of detente with Soviet Union, which included the signing of trade and arms agreements;
Dealt with problems of energy and economic cooperation;
Awarded Nobel Peace Prize in 1973;
Lecturer and consultant on foreign affairs.
Can you list the things Colin Powell Accomplished over the same time period in his office?
Eh;" what's that couldn't find anything? That's what I thought. "
Dandre wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:27 PM:
" Fred, tell it to the smart guys in your party
http://www.republicansforobama.org/
Hey, I can see it now! The repubican 2012 Ticket.........Palin-plumber!!!!!!! You BETCHA!
and here's the latest on McCain healthcare...
Younger, healthier workers likely wouldn't abandon their company-sponsored plans, said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, McCain's senior economic policy adviser.
"Why would they leave?" said Holtz-Eakin. "What they are getting from their employer is way better than what they could get with the credit."
OOPS!! "
scoreboard wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:34 AM:
" Watchdog Fred:
You still didn't answer the question....
What about the $60 million....answer that question.... "
jeff wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:27 AM:
" Fred,
I think the fact that Powell held a press conference and then agreed to interviews after his announcement is why. He’s an honest guy, he made a statement, and the press asked him questions so he answered them. As far as your WMD rant goes I think you’re wrong. He believed at the time that what he was saying was true. Eventually it was painfully obvious it wasn’t. That’s why he resigned. "
AT wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:18 PM:
" B, I just don't understand how you can say that you will be able to say I told you so!!! If anything the LIBS can say I told YOU so! You can claim all of the glory of the past eight years if you want it so badly. If you remember that Clinton left this country with a large surplus of money, where is it now? Oh yeah, I thought the Republicans where the conservative spenders! What programs have been cut? It is not even a redistribution of wealth!!! Working class people pay a much higher PERCENT in taxes than people who make more money. YES WE CAN!! "
NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:25 PM:
" For all you Obama supportes please read the following article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081030/ap_on_el_ge/fact_check_obama_ad
what else isn't your candidate telling you. Whoever does get elected will face a multitude of problems. If McCain makes it in, the the Congress will fight him tooth and nail. If Obama gets in he will most likely kow-tow to his party and we are all in trouble. My main concern about Obama was recently reflected in the FBI arresting two skin heads for planning to assasinate him. Too many whakos out there. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:14 PM:
" Dandre wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:27 PM:
Once again you try and dodge the bullet with some sound bite from channel $3,000,000.00 for a 30 minute campaign ad.
Come on Dandre' answer the question what did Colin Powell do while in office. What great treaties did he broker and bring to conclusion in the middle east for example?
You have all the rhetoric but none of the cohesive answers to simple questions, why should I expect any different from the rock & roll star?
I really don't think Martin Luther King Jr. had NObama in mind in his I have a dream speech. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:18 PM:
" jeff wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:27 AM:
Now I understand why you are so confused in your politics, you think documented evidence pasted before your eyes is a rant. No Sir it is evidence of what happened under Colin Powell's watch and he never accepted his part in the action at the United Nations, Never!!!
He owes this country an apology or he needs to stand up like a man and state that the information was valid and true at the time he gave it. In either case he has flip flopped numerous times.
Nobama claims to get advise from him but Nobama didn't back the surge and Colin Powell says he did support it and wished it would have been done sooner.
So rant away Jeff, you can't beat hard cold evidence as pasted above to back up what I say. I won't bore people by pasting it again, you'll have to get out of lazy mode and read it again for yourself.. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:24 PM:
" To: Scott Tucker, Dandre', dose', Sid,' Alihandero, Blue Falcon, Jeff and other interested readers:
I refer you to the following site for an education about Sadam Insane:
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2006/12/30/cooper.hussein.brutal.dictator.affl
Anyone doubting why we entered Iraq needs to view the information contained on this site. "
Loanman wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:39 PM:
" I have news for all of you, it won't matter who becomes the new President, we are in TROUBLE! Clinton left with a surplus because Republicans ran the Congress and we are in the shape we're in because Democrats currently run the Congress and that's the way it goes. It will never change until all of us pull together and quit putting the same people in office. Don't you know the politicians love it when people of each party blame each other like we do, instead of pulling together and taking control of this state and nation. "
dose wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:44 PM:
" Fred I wached your video, and frankly there was nothing in it I didn't know already. In fact there was nothing in it that justified our going to war in Iraq. I don't think anybody here has ever said that Saddam Hussein wasn't an evil person, but that still doesn't give us the right to go into that country and destroy it. If that was a good reason to go to war then why aren't we in Darfur right now or Northern Ireland, why haven't we bombed China yet. If having horrible leaders was a good enough reason to start a war we would be fighing wars in 20 different countries right now. The only reason we aren't is because most of those countries don't have any oil.
Once again I'd like to give you a round of appllause for changing the subject as soon as you started getting beat. "
B. wrote on Oct 31, 2008 2:33 AM:
" I can see it now.....the white house painted black, watermelon patch in the backyard, chickens running everywhere.......and all the terrorists over for dinner. And all you libs out there in Demorcrat land who didn`t pay attention to Barack Hussien Obama`s criminal friends, mentors, and the racist church he attended for 20 years. Oh, let`s not forget all the extra money he`ll be taking from your paycheck that you`ll need for food, clothing, gas for the car etc, etc, etc.............
And here`s another prediction......watch gas prices all of a sudden start hitting 4.50 gallon again. Yeah....ol` Barry......he was the answer. "
Deb wrote on Oct 31, 2008 2:01 PM:
" B - you are one of the most offensive people I have yet to see write on this blog.
The nice thing the Sentinel did, was highlight the monikers so it's now easy to skim the posts and just pass right on by the typically offensive posts.
How can you live with yourself? How? "
B. wrote on Oct 31, 2008 4:47 PM:
" To Deb......I live just fine......at least until Tuesday. It appears NOBAMA just might win the election. I mean, steal the election. Then I`ll wait and see how much more I`ll be paying in taxes due this inexperienced lying idiot. "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 31, 2008 8:34 PM:
" Hey "B,"
Wow, you got "Deb's" goat good.
You have just verified what I have long believed:
Liberal Democrats have absolutely no sense of humor.
Good one, Bro! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:55 PM:
" To: dose wrote on Oct 30, 2008 5:44 PM:
Once again with complete clearity you have proven the old fable you can lead a horse to water, you can offer him a drink. But some would rather die of thirst than change it's opinion of the troff. I realize that statement is probably to difficult for you to grasp, but like most of what people say to you it goes in your ears and out your _ _ _. So it's like talking to a two headed cobra insistant on biting itself. You can try but the inevitable will eventually happen to it. "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:17 PM:
" Hey Watchdog,
You take a lickin' but keep on tickin' my friend.
Those liberals and certain miscreants here really hate it when you make your point, and often too, might I add.
See what *change* really means:
"Barack Obama's campaign has approached Illinois Rep. Rahm Emanuel about possibly serving as White House chief of staff..."
Rep. Rahm Emanuel!!!??? Can't get more liberal than that...great choice! Looks like Chicago will finally run the White House, Watchdog.
We also know that Colin Powell was offered a position of some sort...
And the Man ain't even elected yet!
Duane Andre must be so goshdarn ecstatic. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:30 AM:
" Once again I would like to caution people to be careful what you wish for, because you just may get it. There was an orator in the 1930's and 1940's who was so popular it was difficult getting room at his rallies. He also was in the business of redistributing the wealth in his country. He rebuilt the military to a strength it had never known from a weak mess after world war one.
This brilliant orator who talked of change and the promise of taking care of all the countries problems. Was none other than Adolph Hitler.
Not until now has a person running for office received the same blind following of sheep rushing to slaughter. Not since then have the outlandish promises been made by a candidate to somehow institute so many government programs and yet have it cost the taxpayer nothing. I think anyone who has read or studied history knows that isn't quite how it ended up coming about. There was starvation, mass murder, ethnic cleansing, tortures, incenerators abounded the country side of Europe to use as killing machines. They also thought he was that one! "
Deb wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:22 AM:
" Alihandro - if you think B.'s references were funny, then you are just as bad as he/she.
Sometimes you have made some good points but anytime someone stoops to those levels, it's kind of like I tell my kids when it comes to cursing - it's the lazy way of thinking/talking. It's easier to go to the lowest denominator than actually think of a rational words.
That's where b. is at and it would seem you too. It was not said with humor, you know it and I know it. But, live on, Alihandro... live on... "
B. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:44 AM:
" As I sit here and listen to NOBAMA`s speech in Nv. I hear lies & deceit....this idiot thinks he`s God. Standing there lying through his mouth snowballing these people. If they only knew what was ahead. How unfornuate the Democrats are taking over this great country. And then I hear some if not all of the military votes may not be counted. I`m sure the Democrats are behind this to since they don`t support our fighting men & women. "
B. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:58 AM:
" Living proof liberals are very narrow minded. If this guy get`s elected.....we are in serious trouble. If you look at most people who are Democrats, they are low income & welfare...they live off the government. Give them a 10.00 a month raise and they will get their votes.
How blind can some people be?
Republicans give you money..ie: tax breaks
Democrats take your money..ie: tax raise "
Dandre wrote on Nov 1, 2008 1:40 PM:
" Hey, B! You must be a proud dittohead who's made sure that wasteland you call a mind is nice and 'hannitized'!
Anyone who would not be embarrassed by that post is Un-American.
No wonder your are jealous of people who are capable of loving.
I suggest you take the Bible into a room and close the door and start studying the scriptures that apply to your salvation rather than a source of hate!
If you believe in Divine judgment, you just posted what will be read at your sentencing just before you hear the trapdoor of destiny open.
If you are an athieist, I guess it just means you are wallowing in your misery and I apologize for whoever abused you to create the demons that would be capable of that post……….God, I appreciate my robust and loving family that understands that Mother Nature and God combine to enrich our lives with variations that are to be celebrated and nurtured, I AM SO GLAD I AM NOT YOU!!!!! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 1, 2008 2:27 PM:
" Well Ali, the difference being I'm not a Timex, I've just seen a lot of history starting to repeat itself. In a way perhaps a demobrat President and a demobrat congress is exactly what this country needs. Once we get thrown head on into a deep depression and the Orator runs out of contributors to his cause we can all sit back and say; You Betcha Barack! You wanted control and you got it now everyting falls on your shoulders. Once he spends the number of days in office being dishonored, called names and desicrated the way the demobrats have done to George W. he'll fold like a deck of cards stacked ten high on a kitchen table. He doesn't have the backbone or intestinal fortitude to withstand all the condemnation and rhetoric. When his General's and Admiral's stare in disbelief as they watch him fumble for a decision long after the first strike has been launched by the terrorist. They will realize John McCain was the right one for the job. My fellow americans, a good speech by an infamous orator cannot stop a launched first strike against our shores. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 1, 2008 2:33 PM:
" If we can all think back to a time when as kids we watched two kids stand saying hit me first. Well guess what sports fans they will. We are dealing with a terrorist group that spands the world and is ready to take on all we have to offer and more, but on their terms. They aren't going to come out and fight like men, that is not how they are trained. They are trained to strap bombs on women and boys and kill off innocent civilians as a terrorist act. That is what terrorism is all about and I'm here to tell you, you can fight them in Iraq and Afghanistan or on the streets of America, the choice is yours on November 4, 2008. 9/11 should prove to you that these animals are not going to fight fair nor are they going to be willing to keep promises made at some arranged meeting place with a newby. The simple ignorance of the ramifications of such a meeting should tell you all you need to know about a person who is inexperienced in foreign policy. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 1, 2008 2:40 PM:
" Ali, everyone wants to poke fun at Sarah Palin, where was Obama when Sarah met with every leader who appeared in New York at the United Nations? Why wasn't he getting an education and introduction to the people he may be dealing with, he only met with a few in his middle east trip. McCain says Obama's never been south of the border, yet he expects a majority of the latino vote. He's not been to Canada nor Alaska a very important allie and a very important state, who are both charged with protecting the lower 48 states. Seems like a couple of visits that would have been worth making. He also didn't campaign in Hawaii his supposed birthplace, which is in question by the way. His citizenship was noted as Kenya until his 21st birthday, only one parent was a U.S. Citizen which according to the Constitution of the United States makes him ineligible to be president in the first place. If this is all false, why won't he do what we have to do to get a driver's license? Present a birth certificate indicating U.S. citizenship. He can't! "
B. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 2:54 PM:
" Hey Dandre.....Sorry to disappoint you...I`m not an athieist......but I would suggest you grow up and re-register a Republican and vote for a real honest man who`s qualified to make decisions concerning this country. Not some terrorist loving, communist criminal, power hungry jr senator who done nothing, hates America and our military. It`s a real shame you`re so brain washed.
Oh....one more thing....you libs are so sensitive........ "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:02 PM:
" To: B, I know this is getting down to the wire and this is a very emotional experience for you. But in all honesty some of your comments have been over the top and it does no one any good to be making them. Don't destroy your reputation by stooping to their level of conversation, provide facts and evidence or request facts and evidence from them and it stumps them every time.
I guarantee you, no one including Jeff, Dandre, dose or any of the other liberals will present proof of Obama's birth as a U.S. Citizen, because it doesn't exist. They may try and phony something up in Hawaii. But the track record of his education reveals he was taught in an Indonesian school system. Indonesian law states without exception, in order to attend school there you must be a citizen of that nation. Not have a U.S. Citizenship makes him ineligible for the position of President of the United States. Once again the following is provided and continued to the next blog. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:07 PM:
" To: B, (Continued) "All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401."
Obama does not qualify his father had Kenyan citizenship his entire life and is even buried on Kenyan soil. It specifically states (two) parents are legal U.S. Citizens. He is therefore disqualified from holding the office.
This was taken directly from the encyclopedia. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:16 PM:
" To: B, (Continued) "All persons born in the United States, except those not subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government (such as children of foreign diplomats) are citizens under the Fourteenth Amendment. Persons born in the United States, and persons born on foreign soil to two U.S. parents, are born American citizens and are classified as citizens at birth under 8 USC 1401."
Obama does not qualify his father had Kenyan citizenship his entire life and is even buried on Kenyan soil. It specifically states (two) parents are legal U.S. Citizens. He is therefore disqualified from holding the office.
A birth certificate from Hawaii was submitted but it's authenticity is in question. Hence attorney Berg's lawsuit against Obama.
This was taken directly from the encyclopedia. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:37 PM:
" To all concerned and interested voters please take the time to watch this extended statement by a democrat and attorney who has brought suit against Barack Hussein Obama:
http://michaelschuyler.blogspot.com/2008/10/obamas-citizenship-questioned.html
Like the man says, if you don't have anything to hide, why aren't you producing documentation? Documentation that could clear your good name prior to the election? The Worst part of this is that the DNC is backing Obama and not disclosing or requiring Obama to disclose this information to the public prior to the election! The Govenator will be watching this to see if it sets a precedent to clear the way for him. Count on it!
For all you people out there screaming about Constitutional Rights and following the Constitutional Law, where are you now? If we were to follow the law and find he has lied it would mean prison time and deportation. Now wouldn't that be a big fat shame!
I knew there was something about this Superman, "that smelled like limburger to me" and now I have discovered it.
MCCAIN AND PALIN 2008! "
B. wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:50 PM:
" Okay Fred.......I`ll settle down. I don`t have patience for stupidity when it comes to people not doing their research on this guy. He`s a phoney, you know it & I know it. McCain may be older but he`s paid his dues for this country.
The only reason I can see why Obama won the nomination is he can be controlled by the Democratic party into doing what they want. They couldn`t have done that with Hillary. "
Deb wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:20 PM:
" Watchdog - read all of section 1401 - especially item (G) "
Deb wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:28 PM:
" Watchdog - that lawsuit was dismissed by the judge on 10/25 "
Scott Tucker wrote on Nov 2, 2008 4:27 AM:
" "To: B, I know this is getting down to the wire and this is a very emotional experience for you. But in all honesty some of your comments have been over the top and it does no one any good to be making them. Don't destroy your reputation by stooping to their level of conversation, provide facts and evidence or request facts and evidence from them and it stumps them every time."
Are you being serious, Fred? You of all people accusing others of being "over the top", of "stooping", and calling for "facts and evidence"! This comes after you, with absolutely zero evidence, call me a tax-evading criminal and accuse others of Adolf (with an "f", not with a "ph", Mr. "I've-seen-a-lot-of-hstory") Hitler-like behavior.
Please let us know which one of you is the kettle and which one's the pot.
This one had us all laughing. Keep bringing the comic relief. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Nov 2, 2008 4:40 AM:
" Fred, where is that "proof" and "evidence" that you suggested B. start using? Can you say double-standard? Before spreading false allegations (lies), you might want to find some real facts, because the onus of proof lies with you. "
Dandre wrote on Nov 2, 2008 8:26 AM:
" Anytime you want to compare IQ's you let me know B'the dittohead'.....
and you might want to investigate the ottmeyer studies and learn who is brainwashable,
I'll give you a hint....conservative morons "
Scott Tucker wrote on Nov 2, 2008 8:48 AM:
" Here is some fun news to share on the eve of the election. All of that foreign policy experience sure comes in handy when speaking with foreign leaders:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/politics/6090480.html
If you want to hear a recording of the telephon conversation, just google "justiciers" and "palin". "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:23 AM:
" Scott Tucker - if you are too lazy to follow the pasted cites for verification, I cannot help you. As stated earlier you can lead a horse to water but if it refuses to drink, are you responsible for the death of a dumb animal? I think not. Give me the subject and I'll furnish the proof. I think I am one of the more concise posters on the blog and many would agree on that statement. If you don't see it that way, perhaps it is time to remove the blinders, open the mind a bit and purchase a new pair of glasses. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:32 AM:
" Scott Tucker wrote on Nov 2, 2008 4:27 AM:
Are you being serious, Fred? You of all people accusing others of being "over the top", of "stooping", and calling for "facts and evidence"!
You and your gaggle of friends including Dandre' and dose are constantly making assassination attempts on my character to no avail I might add.
You are laughing because those blinders are so tight you can't see your own misgivings and like I say you all fail to come up with tangible arguments so then the name calling begins. Dandre' because I've been divorced twice some how jumped to the conclusion I am an alcoholic who has had three addicents while intoxicated. I've not one DUI, and the majority of accidents I've had over a 40 year driving career have been deterimined not to be my fault. Can he make the same claims?
As far as kettle's being black, perhaps that is a question you might want to run by your candidate he might be able to fill you in. On the part that says I am going to play God and give every middle class american a tax break without raising taxes. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:39 AM:
" Scott Tucker all you liberals blindly follow an untested, inexperienced, junior senator to become the next President of the United States. Then declare us as sheep and ditto heads, give me a break Scott. You don't know what this man is capable of and who will pay for his inexperience in the end. I can't believe you want to turn over homeland security to someone who doesn't even get briefed on foreign affairs, nor war reports.
Govenor Palin on the otherhand is receiving reports as secretive as the one's the President of the United States receives. She has to as one of our first line defenses between us and Russia. This has been the case for her full term.
She as a candidate as I've stated before has more experience as in the Exeuctive Branch of Government than Obama and Biden combine.
Say it aint so Joe, wants to elude to being the author of war and peace and Dr. Kissinger wrapped into one. When in reality he has been no more effective than Colin Powell in bringing about peace in the world. It was Colin Powell, the UN liar! "
WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Nov 2, 2008 10:15 AM:
" TO SCOTT TUCKER: Oh no Joe don't tell me your playing those games again. Come on Scott this is a prank even Obama would have probably fallen for, you liberals are too much.
After all, Obama couldn't even talk to Joe the Plumber without stuttering like a love struck moose. Let's keep those kettle's black shall we. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Nov 2, 2008 12:11 PM:
" Fred wrote: "I think I am one of the more concise posters on the blog and many would agree on that statement."
Yes, I think we would all agree that you are one of the more concise posters here! Your comments are always short and to the point.
Thanks again for the laughs! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:13 PM:
" To Doubting Deb - yeah right I bet this is all a bunch of inconcise rumor as well, right Deb.
I invite you to visit this cite and tell me how this
case was thrown out, when it is an ongoing case.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20081102/Obama.Aunt/ "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:16 PM:
" Scott Tucker wrote on Nov 2, 2008 12:11 PM:
" Fred wrote: "I think I am one of the more concise posters on the blog and many would agree on that statement."
The vast evidence you use to support your argument once again has jammed the intersection of information flowing into the Hanford Sentinel and didn't make press time.
Thanks for playing but you've been determinied ineligible do to the fact your rights as an American citizen have expired.
By the way when was that you plan on becoming a permanent residence of California again, and oh by the way have you asked your wifes permission to move her to the United States or are you gonna just grab her by her hair and drag her back. "
WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:48 AM:
" Scott Tucker wrote on Nov 2, 2008 12:11 PM:
At least Mr. Swiss Imigrant when I say I support Hanford, I do so with my property tax dollars and sales tax dollars, not with empty promises and words. When I gripe and grumble because money isn't being spent on the east or south side, it's because I contributed to the fund as well and feel I have a justification to complain. When I receommed a local candidate, if my choice was wrong I pay the price. So go on with your good self and make your outside observations from a broad and compalin, complain, complain and no one will listen. The Swiss have complained about the United States down thru history, so all I can say to that is Welcome Home Mr. Tucker, Welcome Home, I'm glad your new country meets with your approval. "
Deb wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:00 PM:
" http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/lawsuit-against-obama-dismissed-from.html
Here you go WD "
Deb wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:02 PM:
" What does the aunt (your link) have to do with the birth certificate case? Can you provide a link that shows without a doubt that the case is ongoing?
This is typical of you WD, you answer a question or rather respond to a question with a completely different topic. "
WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:11 PM:
" Deb wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:00 PM:
" http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/lawsuit-against-obama-dismissed-from.html
Here you go WD "
The connection Deb, and I know these details are hard for you to keep up with, is if his aunt is here illegally just possibly he is to. Can you stretch your cerebrum around that, or is it too far a reach for you? After all the ego transends she was told in 2004 to leave the country and four years later she is still here. What's next is she gonna run for office in Boston? "
WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:17 PM:
" Deb wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:00 PM:
" http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/lawsuit-against-obama-dismissed-from.html
Berg's case, Berg vs. Obama was dismissed from the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania, Docket # 08-cv-4083 for lack of standing. This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States - the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world - then who does?
Perhaps you should have read it all to find that Berg has taken the matter to the US Supreme Court. It was the District Court who dropped the case. It is Berg's right to pursue the case and he is a very successful Supreme Court attorney in case you didn't know his history. But nice try Deb, you fooled a few. "
WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:58 PM:
" I've just finished my next presidential sign
PALIN & ARNOLD IN 2012! Well at least I got the first part right. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:47 PM:
" To: Alihandro, NHG, Sid, Blue Falcon, Jackie, Carl Spackler, and all others who might be interested. Please visit this information, I find it very interesting that this wasn't determined prior to the day before the election. How many absentee ballots were cast thinking otherwise on this issue? How sad the depths people will stoop.
Please go now and see the truth behind the governor's decision.
http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-politics/20081103/Palin.Troopergate/ "
Deb wrote on Nov 3, 2008 9:30 PM:
" WD -already on to 2012, eh? Palin may be the poster child of the republican right, but she'll never make it. But, heck, she sure can try. You betcha! "
Deb wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:16 PM:
" Where was the republican vote? Lowest it's been in 80 years.
Gov. Tim Pawlenty said it best -
"I think the Republican Party is going to go through a national 'Dr. Phil' moment, Or more than one moment, but it's going to need to come to grips with the fact that this is a changing country in terms of technology, demographics, culture, economics, and we have to rely on our principles, and make sure we stick with them, but we have to apply them in the emerging issues and circumstances of our time. We need to do a better job of that. We also have to do a better job of reaching out to modest income people, Hispanics, African Americans, women, and younger voters. That's a tall order, but we have not been forward looking in that regard. I think we've been too much time looking backwards."
Nicely said. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:52 AM:
" To Deb in response, not one time did I hear or see in the article where Gov. Tim Pawlenty said it best - to reach out to GLBT's to straighten out the Republican Party.
The Republican Party may need some work but the ball is totally in the Democratic Court come January 20, 2009 and if you think you aren't all gonna be on a public watch list for performance, think again.
For the first time our Troops are going to be faced with the fact that their CIC does not support their efforts. Do you know what that could do to the moral of the troops and the damage that will leak over into their families who have supported them
through thick and thin.
It's most interesting to me to hear that the Troops some how had their ballots mailed late and didn't even get a say in this election. That tells me how far the deomcraps stooped to throw this election. If you think the investigations won't be done about ACORN and many other large infractions throughout this country you have another coming. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:58 AM:
" To Deb had Obama lived up to this promise to take campaign funding from the government, we would have had a different outcome in this election. How many illegal donations were made to this man's campaign from countries we are at war with. Of course they would rather deal with Barack (Barry) instead of John S. McCain when it comes to the war effort. Barry will be dupped, supressed and ineffective within the first six months of his taking office and our war effort, middle eastern relations and support from our allies will be at an all time low. There will be mutiny in ranks in the military and devistation in the field of combat, which will in turn lead to desertions. Why because "Barry" doesn't know how
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