jeff wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:39 PM:
" WOW Kathryn sure sounds scared. "
Scott Tucker wrote on Oct 30, 2008 3:52 PM:
" You are right, jeff! It is desperation at its best (or worst)! "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 31, 2008 7:14 AM:
" Since we have heard right here from bloggers who don't actually live in Hanford or Kings County, I can only add this observation from a famous thinker who - coincidentally - is neither living locally or, for that matter, actually living:
"A national political campaign is better than the best circus ever heard of, with a mass baptism and a couple of hangings thrown in."
- Henry Louis Mencken
As in the ‘we just love Obama cause he is so cool and we should vote for him cause everyone else is doin' it' campaign, we just might get what we deserve!
Can't wait to hear about those wild victory parties in Switzerland and Ohio! "
bluefish wrote on Oct 31, 2008 3:27 PM:
" How insulting to imply that those who are voting for Obama must be brainwashed or swept up in pageantry.
Some of us take very seriously our right and obligation to choose the best leader for our country and our world.
We have studied the issues; We have considered the candidate's plans; We have looked at their records. And we have concluded that Obama is the best candidate for the job.
You don't have to agree with that conclusion, but at least show some respect for it. "
Alihandero wrote on Oct 31, 2008 9:21 PM:
" Well now,
I never did say 'brainwashed" now, did I? That was your word, Mr. fish.
As a real American I cannot respect the man who embraced urban terrorist bomber Bill Ayres and his "God D--- America" Reverend Wright.
Respect is in the eye of the beholder, my liberal friend! "
Dandre wrote on Nov 2, 2008 8:18 AM:
" Ali, the last pres you voted for pals around with the Bin Ladens! From the party of G Gordon Liddy.......
Professor Ayers and John McCain both contributed to Professor Kalhidi's(?) organization.
The repubican push for the'stupid vote' seems to be working the only voters left for McCain..... "
Deb wrote on Nov 2, 2008 12:03 PM:
" Alihandro -
Exactly what are you implying?
As a real American I cannot respect the man who embraced urban terrorist bomber Bill Ayres and his "God D--- America" Reverend Wright.
Respect is in the eye of the beholder, my liberal friend! "
But you can respect McCain, as the chair of an organization, giving 500K to a Pro PLO scholar who then funnels 80K to Ayers?
Or are you implying something that no one other than WD or B. can see?
Again, laughable. Talk about Sunday funnies! HaHaHa "
gaucho mom wrote on Nov 2, 2008 5:10 PM:
" I'm just curious and haven't heard the question asked. How has Mr. Ayers, "the unrepentant terrorist" (can't you at least try to sound like you're thinking for yourself?) been sitting on the board of one the largest school districts in the country without this being an issue? Why hasn't this dangerous man been thrown out? Has he been harassed constantly all these years for being radical in the 60s? "
liberalguy wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:53 AM:
" gaucho mom, For the past 30 years no one cared what Ayers did or is doing, that was until it became more and more likely that Obama was going to win the election. This is the M.O. of the Republican party. They can't run on issues so they try to scare the electorate, the scary part about that is it has workid for years. Im glad to see that this time it probably won't work. People this time are more scared about McCain and his ecomomic plans then they are about the terrorist boogeyman. "
WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:34 AM:
" Alihandro - I have to agree with the other posters, Nobama could steal the ealection, I reference ACORN at this juncture.
Nobama could have the best tax plan, let's see if it will result in a second term for him?
Nobama knows nothing about defense/offense and when I was in High School those were always the first string players, how about you Quarterback?
Nobama's connection to former home grown terrorist and their terrorist bombings shouldn't upset the American Public, those people died long ago. Does Nobama have any connection to the unibomber?
Nobama's wanting to sit down and talk with our enemies and enemies of our allies shouldn't upset the balance of support we enjoy in the world one bit. Yeah Right! and Escargot isn't snails either.
Nobama's willingness to depend on foreign oil and avoid drilling at home can't be some conspiracy, now can it? Oh he did say he would review it, the Democrats have been reviewing that issue for twenty years at least now.
When was Nobama ever in a meeting with heads of state?
McCain Palin 2008! "
bluefish wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:01 AM:
" Actually, Alihadero, I was not referring to your comment. I was referring to the original article and her assertion that "Everyone remotely susceptible or already intoxicated needs to take a breath and get some distance from the political rapture of Obamamania."
But, yes, your sentiment was the same.
I did not ask for you or others to respect or vote for Mr. Obama. (Though I think some respect is deserved.)
I only request to be myself treated with the same respect that I show McCain voters - I disagree with your choice, but I don't think that your choice NECESSARILY means that you are an idiot.
And it's Ms. Fish, my conservative chum. "
Loanman wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:54 AM:
" Sure looks like Obama is going to win. I am a firm believer that a person has the right to vote for whoever they wish. This time I'd like to see everyone that votes for Obama have a big O put on their forehead so we can see who they are a year into his term. The amount it's going to cost you to live will far exceed any tax break you get, but you'll see for yourself. "
jeff wrote on Nov 3, 2008 1:51 PM:
" Alihandero [sp], I think you’re confused. I don’t live in Ohio and I’ve never endorsed Obama. I don’t think you can say that Scott and my opinion doesn’t count because we don’t currently live in Hanford or Kings County then past a quote from someone who’s never even been there and say their words are inspiring. I mean you can say it but that doesn’t help you in the “making any sense” department.
There is hardly any difference between McCain and Obama. Both of them want to buy your vote. Both of them are “Socialists”. The only difference is who is getting the hand out. Obama gives it to poor people and McCain gives it to rich people. For the life of me I can’t understand why anyone would vote for McCain if they are a middle income worker and a tax break is their concern. Both of these men will raise inflation, both of them will create new jobs, both of them will raise the national debt and neither one of them knows how to get us out of Iraq. "
Loanman wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:52 AM:
" There's two points no one can deny: If McCain wins, he couldn't have done it without Palin and "Joe the Plumber". If Obama wins, he couldn't have done it if he didn't CHEAT!! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:19 PM:
" bluefish wrote on Oct 31, 2008 3:27 PM:
" How insulting to imply that those who are voting for Obama must be brainwashed or swept up in pageantry.
Ms. Fish, now come on, you spell out all these measurements you've used to judge your candidate, did you overlook the fact that he far out paces Ted Kennedy and Hilldog on his leftest liberalism. Anyone who can beat Ted Kennedy in that department, should write books and be an orator and organizer, but certainly not President of the United States.
What Executive experience can you point to that demonstrates his ability to effectively lead and even negotiate at the Head of State level?
He thinks he can negotiate with terrorist, it is a known fact that the weak negotiate with terrorist because doing so shows a weakness. Just ask Isreal, and some of the European Countries who've experienced terrorism as a way of life to survive in that region.
As I pointed out to Deb, if anything ever happens between the US and Russia it will be a Conventional War not Nuclear War. What preparation has Obama experienced for either scenario? "
dose wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:50 PM:
" LoanMan, you have that backwards have you seen the national polls. The only way mccain can win is if he cheats. Obama will win because he is the better candidate. "
bluefish wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:34 PM:
" WatchdogFred: Why would I waste my time? You obviously have made up your mind on the subject. And I have made up mine. In fact, I voted yesterday. I hope that you will vote, too. It's the best system around.
But you don't see me running around insulting Mr. McCain or his supporters. And I'm certainly not questioning your reasoning ability, your morals or sanity just because I disagree with your choice of candidate.
I know I am doing the right thing. I don't need or want your approval and I certainly don't need to justify my decision-making process to you. "
Loanman wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:49 PM:
" Sorry dose, if you think when a Obama supporter registers 72 times and gets CAUGHT and you say it's not cheating, I don't think you're being honest to us or to yourself. But, apparently, that's the way you live. "
WitchOne wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:35 AM:
" Guess Loanman and Watchdog Fred are crying in their beer right about now.....AMERICA HAS SPOKEN! "
Paul wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:30 AM:
" Well folks... the election is over and the American people have spoken and those of you who didn't vote for OUR new president I am sure will find many things to throw at him starting today. But bush has dug a hole for us (and America) that almost reaches China.
Last night, I was listening to McCain speak and at the first mention of Obama the crowd started to boo him and yet when Obama spoke the crowd there clapped for McCain. That, more than the almost landslide victory, spoke volumes about how out of touch the republicans are with the REAL AMERICAN people. "
Loanman wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:25 PM:
" Too bad Witchie, you're wrong again. I accept the results and I prepared for it. I was born in Hanford and Kings County voted BIG the same way I did, so I'm around the people I want to be. I signed up for my Social Security, even thought I wanted to wait another 4 years and I rented out a room in my house for more income. And Paul, you Democrats are going to have to start taking responsibility someday, you are in charge of the Congress and they run the county! "
againtsthegrain wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:37 PM:
" Yes, "America" has spoken! I'm proud at the fact that I voted for Obama and he won by a landslide! "
NotHomeGrown wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:31 AM:
" to against the grain, please check the facts, Obama did not win by a landslide, yes he got the most electorial college votes, but look a the popular vote, he got the majority, but by no means a landslide. "
jeff wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:49 PM:
" NHG,
You’re right that 6% generally is not a very large amount of anything. When you view it in context though, it’s a landslide. For example it’s the largest margin since 1988. In 2004 Bush barely won the popular vote by 2% and every Republican with a mouth and working vocal cord was telling everyone else how this meant Bush had a mandate to do pretty much whatever he wanted. If 2% is such a miraculous win that it means no one should question the motives or actions of the President than 6% should make Barack Obama the “Chosen One”. "
SuziQ wrote on Nov 6, 2008 5:08 PM:
" I missed exactly what Obama was going to do. Maybe Jeff, Deb,Dose, Ahmadinejad and the other Democrats can list 5 things he's going to do in his first year. Is he just going to pay for the gas in our cars and pay our mortgage? Come on, quit talking and list 5 items... "
Deb wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:27 PM:
" Gee whiz, SuzieQ - maybe if your question wasn't so loaded with sarcasm, you might get an answer....
But, to be fair, I'll bite - for the fun of it. Obama said in the last debate that the time table would be pushed out, simply because of the financial mess.
He doesn't promote individual stimulus, checks like Bush sent out, but rather promotes infrastructure stimulus. The same thing your governor is now extolling in the soon to happen emergency meeting
I imagine many people in the construction industry, who are now seeking unemployment benefits, or those trying to keep their businesses open might look on this positively - yea, even those who might profit at higher than 250k.
But, that's only the tip of what's yet to come... "
SuziQ wrote on Nov 7, 2008 2:09 PM:
" Thank you Deb. I knew you couldn't do it, but at least you tried. It's just not there,is it? Where are the other Dem's? "
Deb wrote on Nov 8, 2008 1:08 AM:
" SuzieQ, it must just feel so good to think you know you're right. :) "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 8, 2008 7:50 AM:
" To: jeff wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:49 PM:
May I remind you "Jimmy Carter" a Democrap when he ran for re-election as an incumbent only garnered 60 Electoral Votes in the entire country.
Now that my friend was a landslide. This is an undeniable fact there sparky!
All I can say; is while Obama was a gleam in his father's eyes. McCain was sitting on the USS Enterprise off the coast of Cuba in an A-4 loaded with nuclear weapons to counter a first attack launched from the cuban bases set up by Russia. He was supporting a freshmen deomcrap who was shaking in his pants over the Russian threat. Kennedy didn't win that standoff it was the American Fighting Men who won it. Men like John S. McCain, but Kennedy certainly took credit for it, once he saw Russia blink. Just remember ladies and gentlemen what brought that to conclusion was a "NAVAL blockade of Cuba" by brave men and women acting as combatant troops to protect this great nation. That's why we call it tradition! A Navy that brought us back from the brink of destruction! "
Deb wrote on Nov 8, 2008 9:18 AM:
" Suzy Q: Sorry - I had to read your post again and realized there was a request in the sarcasm to list 5 things Obama would/should/could do...
These are the top 5 things I'd like to see him do.
1)Avoid getting assassinated
2) Close Guantanamo
3) Restore Habeas Corpus
4) Initiate health care coverage for all children
5) Announce a new nationwide alternative energy effort
6)Get the girls their doggy (preferable adopted from a shelter)
If Bush stays out of trouble and doesn't cause any problems then it will be easier to accomplish these things, but first and foremost is the economics aspect and he is focusing on that now.
I think I've made a list congruent with "
Alihandero wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:10 PM:
" Hey, "Deb,"
From your writings here I guess it's fair to say you are an committed progressive liberal, yes?
I don't know many things about you such as if you are a lesbian or don't have any children of your own as it's really none of our business, but answer me this:
On your list, number (4) "Initiate health care coverage for all children," from your experience, what do you think are the health care needs of children?
I know plenty of states - specially California - that have health care programs (MediCal, CHIP, Rural Health Services (RHS), CMPS, et al) specially for these needy families and children in the 'community' (code word for the poor & illegal immigrants). And great local programs such as "First Five" also assists this target population. A writer here mentioned but did not identify a local day (Oct. 30) of services and giveaways that also targeted members of that ‘community' and its children (even the ‘homeless' community too).
Are our kids really as needy as we see in third world photos on TV and in the rest of the media, "Deb?" "
Deb wrote on Nov 9, 2008 10:20 AM:
" Alihandro - there was a congressional bill ensuring all children were covered with health care which passed both houses and which Bush vetoed - this is the legislation I, personally, would liked to see passed. It's not a handout.
There was also an analysis done which showed a majority of Americans who receiveed health care through employer could not afford to add children.
I don't recall the link nor any of the information, but I'm sure the info is available online. Certainly you can choose to believe or not. Matters not to me.
I have an adult child who is in her first year teaching and two children at home who are fully covered by their father's health insurance. The insurance company repeatedly refuses to pay for certain services due to the disabilities of one. This applies to all insurers in CA And, if we were forced to obtain health insurance on our own, he'd be denied insurance for pre-existing conditions.
So, alihandro, I have a vested interest. All children should be covered and I'm a 50 y/o caucasian white woman. "
Deb wrote on Nov 9, 2008 10:31 AM:
" Alihandro typed: "Are our kids really as needy as we see in third world photos on TV and in the rest of the media, "Deb?" "
We are not a third world country Alihandro. You can't compare apples with oranges.
In your opinion, do our children need to be a third world status in order for you to advocate for them?
As stated previously I am a social liberal Alihandro, I do not hide from that title nor am I ashamed of it. The world is also not black and white. Things are not only one way or the other. Life is full of gray areas.
The state of CA has done a great job for insuring kids and it makes me proud to be a citizen at times. But, one policy does not make us great. "
B. wrote on Nov 9, 2008 11:24 AM:
" Deb......I noticed in your list of 6 items you`d like your new thieving president elect who by the way stole the election with lot`s of dirty money from overseas.....you didn`t mention the one most important thing our country needs right now.....to improve the economy......guess that`s not real important to you, is it Deb......?
It appears Nobama is looking to staff his administration with former Clinton criminals...I wonder how he feels about young interns and will he lose focus of our country? "
SuziQ wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:12 PM:
" Thank you Deb. I had challenge all Democrats and you are the only one with enough couage to respond. I really did want to know. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 9, 2008 12:49 PM:
" Alihandero wrote on Nov 8, 2008 6:10 PM:
Hey Al, did you watch the speech by the Russian President on television. It seems the testing has already began, Obama's managed to receive a special message because of his willingness to regneotiate treaties. The Russian Government now is backing down on an already agreed upon disarmament of nuclear weapons scheduled for 2010 & 2012. They since his weakness and they are gonna use this to win concessions from the United States to stop the Star Wars program that President Ronald Reagan put into place and started during his term of office.
Can anyone see we are moving backwards and January 20, 2009 hasn't even gotten here yet. This is big, I hope he has the juevos to stand up and insist that the star wars programs continues and our build up in Europe continues.
So much for a bankrupt Russia, I think they say a faltering economy and see a chance to capitalize on it. I hope Obama is smart enough to see it too. Now is not the time to blink, Joe six pack was right Obama is getting tested already. "
Deb wrote on Nov 9, 2008 2:55 PM:
" B. I think President-Elect Obama can do even more than six things at a time. The economy is his #1 priority and anyone with half a brain knows that.
Now, if you can get past your hate, you might even recognize that. "
jeff wrote on Nov 10, 2008 11:40 AM:
" Fred,
So what if Jimmy Carter only got 60 electoral votes (It was actually 49 by the way), how does that change anything that happened last Tuesday? "
SuziQ wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:04 PM:
" Thanks to Deb, and since Obama has taken his agenda off his web site, we will always know what he's going to do because she gave us the list! "
Deb wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:49 PM:
" SuzieQ - you can go to Change.gov for that information and you can even apply for work with the Obama admin should you like. :) "
Deb wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:51 PM:
" But, you can go to his website and get the info - I just checked, so not sure what SuzieQ means.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:22 PM:
" To: jeff wrote on Nov 10, 2008 11:40 AM:
Look, I know it's hard for you to keep up but people were discussing landslide Presidental Elections and I offered up one.
Thanks for correcting me 49 makes Carter even look more like the loser he was, he had confidence on both sides in Isreal and Lebanon and blew it with his last so called peace visit. Google that one Jeff, you might learn something. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:27 PM:
" For those who don't give Wikipedia much credit, I post the following for your information:
This was taken from a study performed by Clairmont College:
The exercise revealed numerous errors in both encyclopaedias, but among 42 entries tested, the difference in accuracy was not particularly great: the average science entry in Wikipedia contained around four inaccuracies; Britannica, about three.
So wiki keeps pace with Britannica, one and all. "
jeff wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:52 AM:
" Fred,
Yes I understand your argument its way too simple not to understand. Your argument is this; because Jimmy Carter lost by a larger landslide that somehow makes it impossible for every other victory to be one – if this was not your argument than what was your point, it would also invalidate Bush’s win in 2004. I prefaced my comment by saying that 6% is small and I do agree that 6% doesn’t give Obama a “Mandate” as the pundits and people are saying it does. This was my point since you couldn’t keep up. When Bush won with a 2% margin and many people (Republicans, I’m sure you were one of them) kept yelling at the top of their lungs that this very small minute 2% win gave him carte blanche status. That would mean a 6% victory would be completely over the top and using your same logic - used when Bush won with a measly 2% - this would be a landslide. I am not sure how you missed this since I pretty much spelled it out in my original comment. In fact I’m betting you still don’t get it. "
jeff wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:53 AM:
" Fred,
WOW 42 entries tested? That’s like less than a 10th of a percent. You’re right that’s pretty darn accurate.
You should think before you post Fred or at least understand what you’re posting. The results of that study were not good. They basically state that Britannica Online and Wikipedia are full of errors and you should always use additional resources when doing research and using these two sources.
http://liblog.libraries.claremont.edu/archives/2005/12/15/wikipedia_a_credible_source.html "
Deb wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:54 PM:
" Certainly I would hope that some of the posters here are not wiki editors. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:09 PM:
" Jeff & Deb,
I presented facts, facts that don't seem to exist in your camp. Many of you put down wikipedia, yet rave on other sources. Why is google so excepted or cnn and some of these posts like little boy from Ohio suppose to be taken on face value.
My facts were a study by a recognized acredited California College. I never said it was a broad study, I never even said it was a conclusive study.
So to jump to the conclusions you have is rather inane and irresponsible on your part.
All I was trying to say is other sources are also brought under suspicion, sources you have all used yourselves. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:14 PM:
" Deb wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:54 PM:
I agree that people who blog on here should not be "wiki editors" especially those with the venom dripping from their jowels. The dogmatic nature of unintelligible remarks on conditions and situations in life they know very little or nothing about. In otherwords the liberal left wing pun~dents who open mouth before engaging brain. Please try and perform the task in the reverse order and engage your brain before your tongue/key board?
Thank You have a very nice day. And a blessed one as well. "
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