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Give me a chance

Editor: I moved back to Hanford a little over a year ago after going to a very prestigious university in California. I have been looking for full-time work ever since I graduated. Currently I am fortunate that I have two part-time jobs, but I don't have health insurance provided and I barely have enough money to pay my bills each month, and not enough money to even begin to pay my student loans that are about to come out of forbearance.

I still live at home, which is horrifying to my ego after being on my own so long (but tolerable and I am fortunate to have a parent who allows me to do so). I know a lot of this has to do with the current economy, but I think there might be another reason.

Recently I read in The Sentinel about the lack of college graduates in this area, and how we are the worst off economically in the state. I think part of the reason Kings and surrounding counties are low on the education scale is not because of lack of access to education, it is because people who move back home after college cannot get a job, and thus move away. I recently applied for a job where I had double the education requirements and met all the posted requirements. I was rejected from an interview because others had more experience than me. I didn't even get a shot at an interview.

I can understand not being hired if someone is more experienced than me, but I did not even get a shot at the job at all. I even went in to the office after I received my rejection letter to ask the person in charge why I was rejected, if there was anything I could do better, if there was something wrong with my resume or my experience, anything ... and he brushed me off and told me he didn't know why and he could not get me in contact with someone who does.

I think that if Kings County wants a higher educated populous, the business owners and hiring committees should make an effort to hire more recent graduates. I don't have five years of solid work experience, but I do have two bachelor's degrees, a minor, and quite a bit of summer work experience. I couldn't go to school full-time and work full-time, so it makes sense that I wouldn't have as much experience as someone who started working straight out of high school and has five years of work experience under their belt.

I work at PetsMart on the weekends selling pet food. It's a lot of fun, but it's not remotely related to what I went to college for. I applied to work at IHOP and never got a call back. I don't have enough work experience to be a manager at Taco Bell. I've applied with the county, various cities around the area -- lots of different types of jobs. I am not particularly snooty with my choices and I'm not just another whiny spoiled kid who isn't getting what they want. I am trying and I am getting very frustrated.

Now that I've been back home for around a year, I'm considering my situation. It would have been financially smarter for me to have got a job out of high school and work my way up the ladder. Go figure people aren't motivated to get an education around here: one could work out of high school at Leprinos and make $25 an hour. There is nothing wrong with working at Leprinos or not going to college, I'm just saying that if this area wants more educated people living here, the job market needs to be more friendly towards recent college graduates.

I like living here, for the most part -- I grew up here, I pay my taxes here. I don't expect a job handed to me, I look, I go to job fairs, I apply, I interview and I wait. The rejection letters keep coming in.

They say the average college graduate makes $1 million more in a lifetime than a non-graduate. I'm not sure if that's going to come true for me, but if I don't get a full-time job here soon, I am going to be forced to move somewhere else where I can be employed full-time and make a livable wage. I'll also be taking my degrees and my tax dollars with me.

Amy Leasure

Hanford

(Nov. 11, 2008)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

Alan G wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:34 PM:

" Good luck, Amy. You are discovering what many Kings County college grads before you have discovered. By the way, you never mentioned what you majored or minored in. That may have a lot to do with it. Are you applying for jobs that are a good match for your degrees or did you waste your college career on philosophy and underwater basket weaving?

My advice is to go where the work is. Get some experience, master your craft and come back and open a business that hires others with your skill set.

I know the easy money of a manufacturing job right out of high school seems like it would have been a better alternative because your friends are buying houses and new cars sooner than you, but in the long run if you make your degree work for you, you'll be far better off for it.

Don't be discouraged. "

ronk6ur wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:42 PM:

" This whole valley is like this. You will have to
find a career field that is in demand and get
some training and relocate. Why the school
system does not pound common sense into
students heads and tell them to find out whats
in demand is beyon me. After 40 years, you
would think the educational system would be
better than it is. It was the same back in 1962. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 11, 2008 3:39 PM:

" Perhaps a starting position with the opportunity for advancement. Many people with degrees are not placed without job experience. Today employers are wanting people with a proven track record of showing up for work everyday over how smart they are, because the latter causes less hassle for them as employers. You can't be a manager at Taco Bell, then go tell them you will start at the bottom taking out the trash for an opportunity later in life. You would be amazed how many executives started out as janitors. "

Alihandero wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:32 PM:

" The author does not state what those degrees are in and exactly what marketable skills she has, if any.

Having an education in something accomplishes little if a specific career is not a targeted goal.

The U. S. armed forces are always looking for educated individuals and most certainly could help her choose a career path.

And, just an observation:

Who says a community or county or government has to guarantee a job to anyone in the first place? Well, Roosevelt did it with the New Deal and the WPA in the Great Depression, and wanna bet that Pres. Elect Obama follows his lead? "

Fence Sitter wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:31 PM:

" Sad but a reality. You won't find good jobs here with the bennies. I suggest Fresno. It's worth the commute. "

B. wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:12 PM:

" Amy....I suggest taking your edcuation and relocate to a better state. There is no opportunity in Ca. for someone just starting out. You`ll be more appreciated. Good luck to you. "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:28 AM:

" Amy, I tell my two college kids to move out of the valley and never look back. Actually, I modified that to move out of CA and never look back.

Congrats on your accomplishment and good luck on the job search. "

whitey wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:11 PM:

" I agree 100%.

I don't have a college degree. But now i'm an assistant marketing director. I have applied NUMEROUS times with the county for the past 10 years, and couldn't get a job not even in the JAIL! not even as a cook! I was a deli manager before my new job! and I have applied repeatedly to the hanford sentinel, only to recieve absolutely nothing is reponse. I gave up. I think it is just rude to not even get an interview or a letter of rejection. Its very unprofessional. "

cynic wrote on Nov 12, 2008 12:48 PM:

" I had a friend who moved back to the Valley after college. He had a degree in advertising and couldn't figure out why he couldn't find work locally. Anyone know about Amy's degree? She could take the CBEST - we always need more substitute teachers "

MelMAOB wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:53 PM:

" I tend to agree with the writer, I have a Master's degree in Organizational leadership and am working on my PsyD in Forensic Psychology, I have applied for a variety of jobs and during the interview I am told that it is not a Master's level payong job and I never get the job. Now I have plenty of experience and plenty of education which puts me a spot where it is difficult to find a job.

In a country that promotes advanced education, one would think that communities would uphold the promise of this society that promotes higher ed. My mother always told me once you get a Master's you will have to commute because there is nothing here and that is pittiful especially since she is a former Mayer of Hanford! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:48 AM:

" To: Carl.Spackler wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:28 AM:

Due you plan on joining them once they get settled Carl? It might be a smart move for you since you are so disatisfied with the quality of life in Hanford yet love it's representatives. A contradiction for sure, if anyone listened to you from the very start of your posts.

I would be interested to know the exact amount of money we will need to reimburse the state of California if the City Council sells off the plunge and skatepark. You all remember a State Grant paid for the refurbishment of the plunge and the surrounding area. So what is the amount of those State Grants that must be paid back. Also how many other cities had plans for that money that they would have honored and let their children enjoy for years to come. Who's doing without so the city of Hanford can sell off and make a profit/hopefully on our children's recreation? This is not only unethical it is profiteering at the expense of our children. (Continued) "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:01 AM:

" To: Carl.Spackler wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:28 AM:

(Continued) There should not have been a plan put into action until a replacement facility had been built in the same convenient local it preseently and has for years existed. This is the most under handed move the City Council has ever attempted to do and if we let them get away with it, it's our faults. We owe it to our children to protect their recreation and give them something to do besides get in to trouble. "

Kali wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:08 PM:

" Amy come to San Diego there is a better opportunity here. Growing up in the Valley I can see where you are coming from. Since moving to San Diego doors are opening up everyday for me. Good luck on your adventure!! "

Kermit the Frog wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:02 PM:

" When I first came to Hanford, I had the same problem. Fresh out of college, I was looking for my first career move. A fitting job for me was waiting as fate would have it, but I only got an interview because my husband's secretary's neighbor was looking for someone so they brought up my name. The dork in charge of paper screening passed me over as being "too qualified" because I had a degree and "surely wouldn't stay." They couldn't get rid of me and I was likely the best thing that ever happened to them. I have since left that little county with little minds and am happier than ever! San Jose and San Fran were recently named some of the hotbeds of employment opportunities. Go where the work is, unless you are content to live at home, barely surviving. "

Former Resident wrote on Nov 14, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Leaving Hanford after graduating from college was what I had to do or possibly live with my parents until I was an old man. There was no type of decent job so I decided to move to the Bay Area without knowing anyone or even being somewhat familiar with the job market. It turned out to be the best thing that I ever did. I gained some much experience and am now the Employment Officer for the Golden 1 Credit Union statewide. Sometimes you just have to leave that nest to get anywhere in life. I did it and so can anyone, if they have a real desire to be successful in life. Hanford has grow immensely but it's still has that small town mentality when it comes to giving people a break in life. It just doesn't happen there for some people. "

thetruth wrote on Nov 14, 2008 2:26 PM:

" Welcome to Kings County, to get ahead u need to get pregnant in high school, have several kids by different guys, go on welfare, get food stamps, free coats for kids, free lunches and breakfast for your kids. Also, you get assisted housing allowance plus collect social security because you won't be able to work, and you will get free after school baby setting so you can sleep in and watch TV. So why go to college and try to be a contributing citizen when if does not pay in Kings County. The County does not care for educated people!!! 90% of college educated people leave because of no jobs and the County Job Placement Officer does not help. "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:01 PM:

" Fred: We have had this discussion before in reference to the Re-entry. I want the best for my kids. I work hard to pay for their college education. I want them to be better than me. My dad did the same for me. There is little opportunity in our community if you are not in farming or corrections. The opportunities for professionals is pretty thin. Wages are low and jobs are few. "

bluefalcon559 wrote on Nov 14, 2008 10:27 PM:

" Try Corrections if you want to earn good money in Kings County... that's about the best you can get here; you don't even need a degree... "

Jack wrote on Nov 15, 2008 8:44 AM:

" Amy raises an excellent point about the value system in Kings County. There are jobs available and this county would benefit greatly if college-educated people filled them. But instead a good-ol-boy mentality reigns and less intelligent people get the jobs because of their connections. Kings County sends the message that an education is not important because they favor experience and most young adults under the age of 30 who pursue an education are thus unable to attain experience because they are in school. What Kings County fails to see is that an EDUCATION is MORE IMPORTANT THAN EXPERIENCE. Pursuing a higher degree shows a high drive to succeed at an early age, that one is able to set goals and attain them and that they are generally more intelligent than people who are not able to pursue a degree. So by choosing those who have experience, rather than higher intellect, they are self-selecting the community that lives here- and it's an uneducated one. All one has to do is look at the awful job county administrators do of running this county to see that it's true. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 15, 2008 6:28 PM:

" To: Jack wrote on Nov 15, 2008 10:44 AM:

Let's be realistic for most jobs in Kings County I would much prefer a person with common sense than one with a degree and no common sense. Education and training can be taught common sense is either present or it isn't. Therefore I think your insulting broad brush you wish to paint about everyone who doesn't get a degree is poppycock.
I've met people with a degree who couldn't poor water out of a boot if the directions were written on the bottom. I've met people with a simple High School eduation who were the most dependable in the work force. Being able to depend on someone to show up day after day regardless of the reason is far more important in a servide related business than a degree ever will be. Most of the jobs in Hanford are like the service industry and those that aren't are Correctional Officers and they don't require a degree. Tell me who makes more a teacher with a Masters Degree or a Correctional Officer in the state of California? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:59 AM:

" One of the questions that remains unanswered is what type of degree. Just because you have a "sheeps-skin" doesn't mean that you are qualified. I agree with WDF, just because you have a degree doesn't mean that you have the knowledge to perform the job. You may be great at theory, but do you really know how to apply. A person can get a degree by just barely passing the grade requirements, so does that make them the best candidate? If you get a general studies degree does that qualify you for the Bank Manager job? Don't think so. You must be realistic and determine if you degree alone makes you qualified for a job. If your degree doesn't match any of the local positions, then you might need to relocate, or as others have suggested start at the bottom and work your way up. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 18, 2008 11:21 AM:

" You need to listen to what Proud Dad & Uncle Carl Spackler, tells their kids. The only answer is to move on out of here, go on down to the hills, Beverly Hills that is where they have swimming pools and movie stars. You can make a success of yourself. Don't stay here and live your dream go away and live theirs. Makes all kind of sense to me. Why should you stay here start out at a low position and work your way up and be around family. When you can drop them like a hot potato and head for the hills? "

Alan G wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:58 PM:

" Yeah! Why go somewhere else when you can start out as an irrigator and work your way up to Irrigation Supervisor! Or perhaps start out as an Assistant Bull Semen Extractor and work your way up to... well, nevermind. "

LionAround wrote on Nov 18, 2008 3:23 PM:

" I graduated from college with a BA and stayed in So. Cal area afterwards. I worked a non-professional industrial job for 4-5 years. It didn't pay much, but it did pay the bills, but I found that you had to know somebody in order to get a job there that was based on your degree. I came back to this area and got a job that was based on my degree. Maybe my expectations were different than what recent graduates have. Some expect to start out with a high salary. That isn't realistic. Start somewhere, pay your dues and work your way up. Why live in congested L.A. away from family when you can stay here and have a better life.

I agree that this area needs higher paying professional jobs. Cities should be recruiting for businesses jobs rather than retail jobs. Is there an office business park here? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 18, 2008 6:19 PM:

" To: Alan G wrote on Nov 18, 2008 3:58 PM:

Now, Now Alan not everyone can be an assistant to the assistants movie producer. Some have to start pulling samples of bull semen then in five to ten years they are probably making five times what you do running their own business. Did you recently see what a tube of that stuff runs? There is money in them their sacks. Lots and lots of money. "

JoshG wrote on Nov 18, 2008 10:04 PM:

" I am not trying to be mean here but you only get out of your job search what you put into it. If you want any job you need to be out there looking full-time. Cold call companies send resumes everywhere, and once that is done keep calling them, let them know you really do want to work, make yourself standout somehow. Managers and business owners sometimes have to go through stacks and stacks of applications and resumes, so you need to be more than just words on a page. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 20, 2008 12:34 AM:

" To: JoshG wrote on Nov 19, 2008 12:04 AM:

Part of what you say is true, but I always found myself gravitating to that one page no nonsense resume'. The one that said all that was important but left all that flowers and ribbons out of it. I figured anyone wanting flowers and ribbons included wouldn't wait til their second pay check to crack open the champagne. Then you have your first sickday off work already logged and the original first impression is long sense history. As for calling no, don't do that. If you can't take the time out of your day to show up in person, then don't expect a boss to take the time out of his to take your call! Show them your face two three times a week and pretty soon he hires you just to keep from looking at ya. But don't show up so much it interferes with his/her business, or you'll never get hired. "




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