gaucho mom wrote on Nov 27, 2008 10:36 AM:
" Local government can't keep caving to the unions' demands for more. Please be responsible in these difficult times and deny them this time. By the way, doesn't it make sense that the poorest county should pay the lowest wages? Why would it be any different? If they don't like it they should move to a higher paying county where the cost of living is higher. Don't break the backs of the local taxpayers to have salary parity with counties whose financial circumstances don't compare with those of Kings. "
what the wrote on Nov 27, 2008 7:03 PM:
" I understand the countys position, but 0 percent? gaucho, they are moving on and that is sad. the county will lose experianced deputys. if you remember there is a hard hiring freeze. so less deputys, poorly paid = trouble for all. when did we become the poorest county? "
lrgcitypopo wrote on Nov 27, 2008 10:31 PM:
" I'm not a memebr of this association. But I believe I would be correct in saying that this would NOT be an instance of the county "caving" into the union. It's more a matter of doing the right thing for the tax payers. Public safety is the most important service a government provides. No offense to the rest of the services. When a business is looking at moving into a region, they conduct research. They look at quality of life, crime rates, etc. Gaucho mom says that the poorest county pays the lowest wages. That may or may not be true in this county. But that is the exact kind of attitude that prevents growth. We don't need a "let's remain Mayberry" when it comes to public safety. She also says that if the employees don't like it, they can go where the wages are higher. Well gaucho mom, that is exactly what happens with KCSO. It's a training ground for larger agencies. THAT costs a lot of money. Pay to train then the experience benefits someone else. Pay them right and keep them. "
Inside the Fire wrote on Nov 28, 2008 1:41 AM:
" To goucho mom. Do you know what your Kings County Administrator makes each year? Well he makes “$165,000.00” a year. I put it in quotes because this he what I heard him say in an open forum this week. Do you know what the Fresno County Administrator makes each year? Well he makes $157,000.00 a year. Which county administrator do you think should make more? If a deputy in Kings County should not be allowed to make what a Fresno County Deputy makes then neither should the CAO. This is a double standard which this county is known for. Also while you’re at it maybe you should ask what Picard recently got as a raise. She got a 25% pay raise because she threatened to leave. Once again a double standard is being set forth in your county. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 28, 2008 11:29 AM:
" To: gaucho mom wrote on Nov 27, 2008 10:36 AM:
The Sheriff Deputies are already saying they don't want the top money, they just wan what is being paid to the median of counties in California comparable in size.
Ask Ms. Picard how long she would be willing to hang around without an increase in pay. Didn't the County Supervisors recently receive an increase in pay?
You have to lead by example return all previous pay raises to the general fund and then talk to the Sheriff's Deputies. You can't tell somone you can't afford to pay them, when you are slicing off a bigger piece of the pie yourself.
It always amazes me, when these people kiss their spouses each night and leave for work, they don't know if they are coming home at the end of their shift or not. They put that on the line everytime they report for duty and that should be worth a pay raise, certainly.
gaucho mom do you make that same kind of commitment and sacrifice on a daily basis. Do you go out and make felony arrests for your entire shift? "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Nov 28, 2008 11:56 AM:
" We can't afford to give the Deputy Sheriff's in this county a raise. The true heroe's who protect not just a cell block but the entire county.
But the C.O.'s continue to eat up what the School District doesn't. Perhaps if not for them the county would have money available to pay it's Deputies a fair and equitable wage in line with counties of our size throughout the state.
The C.O.'s are paid out of the State Budget, the same budget that determines if the Sheriff Deputies get a raise. The C.O.'s are paid so much money that Arnold says; it is cheaper to transfer the prisoners to another state and pay them to house our prisoners. Well if that is true it won't be long until they are all being transferred.
They should transfer most of them back to Mexico anyway. Let them go play Gang Baner on the streets of Mexico.
If we took money out of the budget to provide health care and benefits to illegal immigrants in this county we could afford the pay raise for the officers and many other more justified programs. "
Tony wrote on Nov 29, 2008 3:09 PM:
" Retaining Deputies and District Attorneys should be a top priority for Kings County. If they can get better pay and benes elsewhere then why would they stay here? "
Carl.Spackler wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:36 PM:
" What the: Not the poorest but definitely down there pretty far on the list:
http://www.dof.ca.gov/HTML/FS_DATA/STAT-ABS/TABLES/D21.xls "
NO_BLOVIATING_PLZ wrote on Nov 30, 2008 1:02 AM:
" It amazes me to see the people keeping up on the times. How many of you have seen the budget? It also was approved in open session. Pick up a copy, see it online, perhaps you will see what the budget looks like. Maybe then, you can put in your 2 cents in. If there were funds available, don't you think they would get it? THE SPIN STOPS HERE! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:01 AM:
" To: Carl.Spackler wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:36 PM:
It's pretty hard to make a case when the Supervisors and the Head of HR got their raises and now tell the Deputies no bones are left in the cabinet. Come on these guys deserve something, cut out some of those abortions on teenage girls and welfare rat donations and the money would be available to the Deputies. "
Warden Bob wrote on Dec 1, 2008 4:28 PM:
" There are two different problems here as I see it. One is the higher wages surrounding counties pay their public safety employees, the other is revenue. The county says it cannot afford a raise, but what are the facts on county revenue?
A large part of local government funding comes from sales tax. No one likes the "T" word but lets compare KIngs County Sales Tax rate of 7.25% with other counties and local cities:
Fresno 7.975 %
Selma 8.475%
Sanger 8.725%
Visalia 8.00%
Tulare (City) 8.25%
A .25% sales tax increase dedicated to public safety would give Kings County the means to become competitive salary wise, with the surrounding area. At 7.5%, our sales tax would still be below all nearby cities and counties.
I would envision this being a temporary tax to help fund our new jail, freeing up funds currently dedicated to that purpose for public safety (deputies & fire) salaries. The .25% tax would expire once the new jail is paid off. "
Deb wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:14 PM:
" Warden Bob - of, the 7.25% sales tax, the state retains 6%, the county .25% and the city 1%. The %'s above the 7.25 are special district taxes pertaining to each county and/or city.
So, if there were to be an additional rate added the County can add a General Purpose tax with a 2/3 vote of Board of Supervisors and majority of voters.
OR
they can add a Specific Purpose tax (expenditure plan required) 2/3 vote of Board of Supervisors and 2/3 majority of voters.
Retail is important in Kings Co and of course cities vie for retail establishments just to increase the taxes they receive and it's in their best interest to keep retail dollars in a county. But, what's even more beneficial to the county coffers are development - business primarily because there's the added property taxes as well as the business property (i.e. equipment) taxes. "
NO_BLOVIATING_PLZ wrote on Dec 1, 2008 9:53 PM:
" TO: WARDEN BOB
good pitch, perhaps you should run for a seat next election. good luck getting the taxpayers on board with your tax increase idea. I like the idea. I think the deputies deserve better pay. But in these economic times, I am just thankful to have a job. Merry Christmas. "
lemoore1938 wrote on Dec 2, 2008 11:50 AM:
" I have never thought deciding wages for public employee's should be that hard. This years Social Security and most Federal Government employees are receiving a 5.8 % raise, which is fine with me and should be the set standard for the rest of the country when it comes to what can and can't be afforded by the states, counties and cities. This percentage is based on the GPA. My thought is that you give the employee unions that percentage figure (For this year or any year as long as it's based on the GPA) and let them come back to the council with how they want it split up. No fuss, no muss, just get on with it. "
Another Opinion wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:45 PM:
" It's interesting to read other people's opinions and ideas, but it also important to remember that we are talking about individuals and families that live in our communities. We are affected. Our deputies work alone in the outlining and sometimes unsavory areas of the county. They are not traffic cops and do not work in the City where their back-up is only a few moments away. Their main goal is to answer calls for service and to remove dangerous ciminals off the street, by looking for drunk drivers, people under the influence of nacrotics, individuals with warrants, etc. They risk their lives, never knowing what the next call or ecounter will be. Please go to the Kings County website and see what these deputies earn. It's not a ridiculous or even a fair amount. I work in an office, my life is not at risk, and I earn more. This is a difficult economic time and deputies have homes to pay for, families to feed and goods to buy as well. Why should they not receive a raise, when the dollar they earn is now worth less? "
Another Opinion wrote on Dec 2, 2008 2:57 PM:
" The County did not impose a freeze on raises for all employees; only these employees! Why are others eligible for raises, when deputies are not? When wages are already low, the impact of paying more for health insurance is even a greater blow. If you do not give them a raise and raise the insurance contribution, they are in effect making even less. It costs a lot of money to hire and train deputies, but it costs only a reasonable amount to retain them. Some have offered that if they don't like it, they should leave. Many have and are. Do you really want your tax dollars going to pay for unexperienced deputies? Do you not want your monies worth? The budget has already placed a hiring freeze on deputies. The General Fund always have a balance. It is never used in full each year. It is replenished each year. Is Public Safety not an integral part of a community for which these funds should be spent? Next time you see one, please thank a deputy for their underpaid service to the County. I will! "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Dec 2, 2008 7:21 PM:
" Just a shot in the dark but perhaps whet we really need to do is go after a larger percentage of the local shoppers in our area. We don't compete for the military dollars at Naval Air Station Lemoore to increase sales tax. Even when spouses are deployed there are spouses and children at home that could add considerable tax dollars to the city and county coffers. We could make it more attractive for Lemoore, Corcoran, Riverdale, Laton and more surrouding neighbors to shop locally instead of in Visalia or Fresno. What about businesses doing what OSH does from time to time, when they in effect pay the sales tax on items to sell more items? Rather than an increase in taxes I think it would be better to looking at increasing sales in the already Retail Market in our community. Not to say more stores wouldn't help, but when you add more retail then all you are doing is dividing the dollars already spent in the community by one more. "
americantaxpayer wrote on Dec 3, 2008 7:44 AM:
" I love reading these articals about government employees complaining about there pay and benefits. I would love to have there pay and benefits. A pay raise is rare in my son's company and he receives no medical, dental, 401k, or paid vacation. Just a paycheck! Like more employers here in the valley, they treat there people like dirt and pay them peanuts for all there hard work while the company makes all the money. Most people in this city can't afford a home or new car and have trouble paying there bills. Be happy that you have benefits that you can use to support your family and health. All government employees should be paid on the same scale as non government employees. No more pensions, just 401ks. Our taxes can not afford these pay raises and benefits. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Dec 11, 2008 4:01 PM:
" Imagine dailing the phone and hearing a recorded message at the Sheriff's Office that said; "Sorry the Deputies are at an impasse, no one will be there to answer this call".
Now rethink their raises and give them what they are asking for or be prepared to hear a message similar to this, they have families to support just like you and I. When the prices go up so should their wages. "
Watchdog Fred wrote on Dec 11, 2008 9:05 PM:
" To: americantaxpayer wrote on Dec 3, 2008 7:44 AM:
How many county roads are you patrolling at 3:00 a.m. with the closest backup fifty miles away?
How many felony arrests have you made in the last year? "