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So She Thought: An awfully quiet day at the Hanford Mall

The other day I drove over to the Hanford Mall to buy a couple of baseball shirts for my son, and ended up accidentally taking a trip back in time ... or maybe to the future. I'm not sure which. Either way, it was disconcerting.

As I walked through the doors closest to Big 5 Sporting Goods, my ultimate and only destination that day, I was shocked by what I saw. Standing at the hub of what was previously the busy, northernmost end of the "L" shaped mall, I found myself looking out over what was a virtual ghost town compared to what it had been only a few months ago.

Mervyn's was, of course, gone. I was expecting that. But so was Amigo's Mexican restaurant. And Carlton Cards. And the Verizon store. Fashions 2000. And as I stood there among the chain link pull-down doors and empty storefronts, you know what it felt like? It was almost like being back at the old Kings Mall, circa 1992.

As malls go, the Kings Mall wasn't much, although many of you who have lived here longer than I probably remember it in its heyday. By the time I moved here, the Kings Mall was a narrow, dim, partially occupied corridor of shops, with two brightly lit anchors -- JCPenney at one end and a drug store at the other. It wasn't much, but I liked it.

The reasons I liked it were probably the same reasons which were causing it to be considered a failed retail enterprise. Due to its lack of customers, it always had lots of parking, in good spots really close to the main entrance. Once inside, you could expect wander around and browse in relative peace and solitude.

Kind of like when I visited the Hanford Mall last week. Close parking. Just a few shoppers here and there. Not much revenue being generated. It was kind of eerie how familiar it all looked.

And it made me wonder exactly how far have we come since the final days of the Kings Mall?

The Hanford Mall seems to have always had store vacancies, but I don't recall anytime before this when it seemed to lose so many stores, so quickly. And it all happened within a few months of Mervyn's biting the dust, and Fresno-based Gottschalks doing the Bankruptcy Dance.

Sears and J.C. Penney, the other two anchor stores, both have strong and well-established ties to the Hanford area and seem solvent, but in the era of corporate downsizing, a pull-out by either would certainly not come as a surprise to anyone.

So what happens when a mall ends up with rental space to spare and anchored by (in a worst cast scenario) only one major department store? Well, it might look a lot like the old Kings Mall did towards the end of its life, but on the opposite side of the economic merry-go-round.

You see, unlike the Kings Mall, any mall which fails in our nation today will probably not be razed so that a bunch of newer and bigger businesses can rise from the same ground a year or two later. Most struggling malls will hang on as long as it's financially viable to do so, and when that's no longer possible, they will simply shut their doors, as many have done over the last year or two, and remain standing, empty and boarded up.

And there's no doubt that if the American mall is becoming an endangered species, an entire way of life that goes along with it, where folks do some weekend shopping, catch a movie, and grab a bite to eat all in the same climate-controlled building, is also endangered -- or is at least changing.

How might that affect the towns we live in? Will smaller businesses move out of the big malls to the strip malls around the perimeter of town, or maybe even back to the downtown storefronts they so quickly vacated when the mall first opened and the rush to move there was The Thing To Do?

And what becomes of the giant concrete mall-boxes themselves? Will they survive by way of reinvention, where one mall becomes a neighborhood indoor flea market, while yet another lacks open stores, but has its parking lot used by corporate carpoolers, traveling carnivals, and the weekly farmer's market?

Exactly what the new retail landscape might look like is anyone's guess; the only thing we can say with any degree of certainty is that it will be different than it was just a year or two ago, just like the Hanford Mall looks different than it did a couple of years ago.

Will the American mall survive, at least in some form? I hope so. Will it continue to be the central community gathering place, as it was back in the days when people had more expendable income and shopping purely for pleasure was a common pastime?

I don't know, but when the Hanford Mall starts to look more and more like the latter days of the Kings Mall, it's something we probably should all start thinking about.

Diane Sayre is a freelance writer living in Hanford. Her column appears weekly in the Sentinel. Readers can write to her at The Hanford Sentinel, P.O. Box 9, Hanford, CA 93232.

(March 9, 2009)

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SueB wrote on Mar 9, 2009 12:46 PM:

" Sorry to hear that. I can't remember the last time I was at the Hanford Mall.

As for downtown, just to get a haircut. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 9, 2009 1:44 PM:

" The major downfall of the malls has got to be their openness to credit and credit cards. All of a sudden you aren't deluged with offers for credit and the whole anchor store isn't bustling with free offers just for applying for credit with them.
Many people have realized by me now pay for me later isn't such a good idea any longer. That is what is effecting the Mall more than anything else. People who don't have the cash to spend simply aren't going any longer. For those who do it is a much more pleasant shopping experience to be able to take your time and not be shoving, pushing and rude to one another looking for the latest bargain. The Mall's always have the highest rents in the area and therefore must sell in volume to afford to have a space. If the toot traffic isn't there the volume isn't either and thus the closers must follow, how sad it is for this to happen. "

ronk6ur wrote on Mar 9, 2009 2:06 PM:

" The outbreak of a smile is starting to appear on
this old curmudgeon's face when I see businesses
folding. Maybe empty lots will be plowed over
and we see cotton again growing there. New
housing developments being bulldozed over
and replaced by orchards. Hopefully the panhandlers will take a hint and leave. We never
had these people until the population went up.
All this growth happened too fast and the dip in
the economy is getting more intense and could
easily slide into depression due to poor govt. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:49 AM:

" "We never had these people until the population went up."

You don't say! :-) "

cynic wrote on Mar 10, 2009 8:49 AM:

" It wasn't a drug store - it was a grocery store. And don't forget Woolworths and Nahas (sp?) in the middle. "

Former Resident wrote on Mar 10, 2009 9:41 AM:

" To Ron6ur: You've got to be kidding. Do you know how many thousands of dollars that it's going to take to knock down these buildings? Also, do you think that people are going to be happy picking cotton instead of working in a decent environment? What century do you live in? 1909? Unfortunately for you, this is the 21st century and you will never seen those good 'ol farming days again, not matter what happens to the Mall. "

Jethro wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:02 AM:

" I heard a rumor, the Mall raised its rent to compensate for the loss of Mervyns, which forced more businesses out... but who knows?

ronk6ur, our population boom is the result of immigration... and it isnt going away. I loathe for the days of old too, and mis the old Kings Mall for the same reason Diane states, but reality is those days are gone. Heck, Im amazed at the traffic every time I drive through the Lacey / 12th Ave intersection. It's hard to imagine, when it was just a four way stop sign surrounded by cotton fields. They say you cant stop progress, which may be true, but I sure do mis the small town Hanford. "

bluefalcon559 wrote on Mar 10, 2009 11:25 AM:

" It's sad to see business fold; especially in Hanford and at the mall. But I got to be honest, most stores that have folded up and mentioned in this article, I never shopped at... Sorry, It's not a major loss to me. I know there will be some that get all upset with what I got to say... but here it goes:

With low budget one stop shopping like Target and Wal Mart directly across the street; along with everything else I need or want, why do I want to go to a place that is full of punk's making rude and ungodly noise; most of which is vulgar and I don't want my child exposed to. Besides nothing in the mall appeals to me.

I will do the drive to Fresno's River Park or even Clovis' Sierra Vista Mall; which is down on business and businesses. Both are much more appealing and less "riff-raff".

And if not there, I'll just buy online! "

gees wrote on Mar 10, 2009 12:44 PM:

" ...Lets face the facts, 1) Who has the cash to go to "mall" when Wal-mart has the same product for less.
2) Who wants to walk in the mall with a bunch of loud and rude teenagres hanging about?
3) No Pet store, No Toy store, No card store, Why bother, when we can go across the street to the " Wanna Be river park" strip mall. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 10, 2009 2:25 PM:

" To: Blue Falcon nice to see you putting in your two cents again. Until all parents start accepting responsibility for their children again will we ever get a peaceful weekend at the mall, movie theater or anywhere else for that matter. Responsibility is the key to survival in the world today, if you have it you are o.k. if not you will drown like so many little rats down the drain. Not teaching children to be responsible and not being held accountable for their own behavior is one of the biggest problems in this world. There was a time a child wouldn't have thought once about turning down drugs and dealing with peer pressure but now the peer pressure wins out everytime because their isn't a support system for that child at home any longer. With out a support system anything will not achieve and grow. If you fail to plan then you plan to fail is the way I was always explained about it. If you have no goals and you don't care what kind of grades you get or if you go to school then what will be the outcome? "

kermit the frog wrote on Mar 10, 2009 4:55 PM:

" Fred and bluefalcon, you've got it right! I haven't been to the mall in ages b/c there is nothing there for me, and I have quit using credit cards to buy more than I should. Walmart and Target have pretty much everything I need, and at good prices, comparatively. For those who don't have the energy to run all over for shopping, one-stop shopping and the internet are better options. "

Hanford_1 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:34 AM:

" Let's not look at the 19'' TV.We should be viewing the 60'' plasma TV, or the big picture. During these economic times businesses are going to fold. The City and enticed these name brand stores to develop properties here long ago. Sears, Penney’s and alike moved from downtown for a reason. Downtown has suffered their share of losses, other small business are failing, so why not the “big” stores. None of us have control over what happened with Mervyn’s or other stores. Or do we? If we shop elsewhere, business here suffer. Pay a few more bucks and buy locally or drive to Fresno or Visalia. Wait, those cites are suffering the same closures as Hanford. What’s the big deal with Hanford Mall? It’s a weekend mall; a good reporter would have found that out. As far as the kids at the mall, blame the parents for not “teaching their children well”. The mall most likely views these kids as future shoppers; “hello” that’s what business do. Let’s come to an understanding, support Hanford. If you are going to shop with what little cash we all have, shop here in Hanford; our sales taxes are lower here too! "

Will wrote on Mar 11, 2009 1:52 PM:

" The last Woolworths in Hanford had was downtown next to the old Thrifty Drug where. Fantastic Furniture is there now. The Kings Mall had a Coronet and a Thrifty. "

cynic wrote on Mar 11, 2009 5:22 PM:

" Thanks Will - You're right, it was Coronet. Loved that store. Bought my halloween costume there each October. What was the name of the grocery store? It always seemed strange that a mall had a grocery store. And what about the German restaurant/bar - what was it called? It always looked dark and scary to me as a kid. Don't know why I got them mixed up. We always had lunch at the Woolworth's counter after buying new shoes at Cassidy's - either there or Peter Pan's. I would love to see a Sentinel column about the Hanford of old - business that have come and gone - Remember Hanford Ice, Denham's Ice Cream, The Men's Room, Pedans, Moe's Toys? I loved Moes Toys when I was a kid - only Moe wouldn't let you touch anything. Don't forget Chris Burger by the tracks - my grandmother swore they used horse meat, but the burgers sure were good - and cheap too. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 11, 2009 8:21 PM:

" To: Hanford_1 wrote on Mar 11, 2009 10:34 AM:

Well in keeping with my word. You may all remember me mentioning that we leave Driskell's out alot. Well low and behold my wife's waaher goes out a couple of weekends ago, did I drive to Lowe's no, Sears no, I drove to Driskell's cut a deal on a washer and a dryer one has been delivered and the other I will have next month. This is just to let you know I practice what I preach. I got a brand name with twice the warranty for about the same money and they haul off the old one for free. The washer it replaced was fourteen years old what more could I ask of it? Driskell's also services what it sells one of the few left in town that does that. This is not an advertisement this is me proving, I live by what I say, and for those doubting Thomas's I would have paid more to keep it local. I care about Hanford don't ever doubt I don't, but I'm old enough to have taken off my blinders. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 11, 2009 9:26 PM:

" To: cynic wrote on Mar 11, 2009 7:22 PM:

Just because Chris sold 5 burgers for a buck doesn't mean they ever proved it was horse meat. Secondly, actually if Moe liked you he'd take you in the back and let you see his toys, he had a major train setup in the back stockroom. If you were a good customer he'd knock 10% off almost anything he sold. My parents bought me an ho race set one year and my brother and I lived in Moe's for three years buying cars, motors, tires and such trying to beat each other on the track. Woolworth's was cool, I was lucky enough to work at Denham's Ice Cream as a young man. Pedan's use to be one of my mom and dad's favorite spots. I liked Eddy's Cafe and also Jennie's Diner and loved the buffet at Johnson's Restaurant. KNGS radio use to broadcast live from Johnson's on the weekends. Then there was the Sportsman's Club and it's two locations the Flying Spinacar (sp), The Star Restaurant which still is the Hanford Roller Rink which isn't. The good ol' days. "

Alan G wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:12 AM:

" Cynic - I've been trying to convince Jackie to do a "Hanford: Then And Now" column forever. This would involve pulling an archived story that appeared in the sentinel many years ago from the corresponding date and re-running it with an intro to set it up. It could be stories on old businesses, infamous crimes, buildings being constructed, whatever. The LA Times does it every Sunday. "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Mar 12, 2009 10:17 AM:

" What we are seeing with the mall is two things. First, the retail environment is very weak right now. Stores that do not have a strong financial foundation will struggle to stay open.

The larger trend is retailers moving away from enclosed malls. The large box with attached retails shops is preferred by consumers. Riverpark in Fresno is a good example. Also taking away from store sales is continued growth in on-line purchases.

Hanford is not unlike most communities as we witness the trend from downtown commercial to the mall, then to big box centers. The success of the mall will be in coming up with a new concept to attract shoppers. Fashion Fair in Fresno has been pretty successful in revitalizin an old mall with new attractive exterior shops. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 12, 2009 7:10 PM:

" Well now you guys are taking me back to the sound of the horn of Helm's Bakery Trucks, the Prairie Market, Hanford Ice Company, Denham's Ice Cream Company, the original 88 cent Store that is now the Oak Store. Woolworth's food counter where you got one of the best homemade ham sandwiches in town. Then further back to where Alma's Flea Market use to be the real Monday sale and the livestock was auctioned on the Lacey side of the Sales Yard. Buying baby goats for fifty cents a piece. You could get donuts and maple bars the size of your arm for less than fifty cents. Coffee, Hot Chocolate were eminating in the air everywhere. The sales rows were so muddy you had to wear boots instead of street shoes. Everyone knew everyone else and exchanged a tip of the hat or a smile from ear to ear acknowledging each other. You could buy corn still in the husk and pick it up and smell it's freshness, tomatoes, beef steak tomatoes as big as the eye could see. Cut samples of every vegetable for you to try. "

CSUFAlumni wrote on Mar 13, 2009 2:04 PM:

" If the Hanford Mall lost its bussiness it is the Hanford Malls own fault. We live in a Capitalist society where we need to keep up with the competion or get out of the way. Other malls like fashion fair in fresno continuely renovate themselves and the Hanford Mall remained the same since it opened. I foresee them turning belly up if they don't make some changes. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 13, 2009 11:57 PM:

" To: CSUFAlumni wrote on Mar 13, 2009 4:04 PM:

Why whatever changes might you infer, like a Fresno State Clothing Store perhaps? Nice try but don't think it will fly. About the only one's wearing Fresno State Jackets in this town are working at SaveMart. "

diane wrote on Mar 15, 2009 8:37 AM:

" The supermarket at the north end of the Kings Mall was the Mayfair Market. "

Brenda wrote on Mar 15, 2009 3:03 PM:

" Farm Boy Market was the name of the grocery store at the of the Kings Mall. There was also an Italian restaurant there...and don't forget the beauty school. "

Cammy wrote on Mar 15, 2009 8:36 PM:

" WatchDogFred, You wrote: Why whatever changes might you infer, like a Fresno State Clothing Store perhaps? Nice try but don't think it will fly. About the only one's wearing Fresno State Jackets in this town are working at SaveMart. "

I am curious to see if you have been in Save Mart on a regular basis. If you had paid attention to our uniforms, then you would note that we wear black dress pants, a white dress shirt w/without our Save Mart logo and our leftt arm sleeve, and a tie that is required by our dress code. The only time we are allowed to wear anything different is authoirized by mamagement. For instance, this month is for the March of Dimes, and if we pay $5.00, we can wear blue jeans for 3 Saturdays. We do sell Fresno State clothing from our G.M. Department, but dont jump on the conclusion that people who work at Save Mart wear it as a uniform as a regular basis.
If you are ever in the store, i would be honored to meet you. My name is Cammy. I am a cashier and have been w/ the company for 10 yrs. "

cynic wrote on Mar 16, 2009 1:47 PM:

" Thanks, Diane - it was Mayfair - I think it may have become Farm Boy before closing - but I remember it as Mayfair. I don't remember the restaurant being Italian but I think it also changed toward the end of the old mall. Of course we were all excited when Miller's Outpost came to town - and remember Beano's? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:05 PM:

" To: Cammy wrote on Mar 15, 2009 10:36 PM:
I worked in this area most of my life and more than once was a vendor delivering to Save Mart so unless things have changed drastically, this is what I can tell you. Most if not all of the Store Managers at that time were hired as part timers when attending Fresno State University in and around Fresno. Upon graduation they were promoted to Management and on every Friday they all sported their alumni jackets before the Friday Night game in Fresno. That is what I know Cammy and that is the way it was, if it has changed then it's a very recent change. But if you wanted to manage a Save Mart Store at that time you better have a degree from Fresno State or it didn't happen. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 16, 2009 2:07 PM:

" All I can say is if this mall fails it will be the second in Hanford to do so, so do you blame the retailers or the towns folk for allowing it to happen? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 16, 2009 3:16 PM:

" To: Brenda wrote on Mar 15, 2009 5:03 PM

Farmboy Market was located where Cost Less is now. They also owned the market in Corcoran that is currently a Cost Less Market also.

Mayfair was the name of that market that was in the Mall and Prairie Market use to be located on the land the Hanford Sentinel is located on now.

The makret adjacent to the train station was originally Safeway. The land that Save Mart is built on use to contain State Market.

Best Buy Market on 10th Avenue was originally Superway Market. The Korral Drive In use to be behind the Texaco in that same shopping center.

At the corner of Ivy and Irwin use to be Irwin Street Market, now there is a pet shop there. Big John's Market was located at the McDonald's on Grangeville and 11th Avenue.

Does NHG or anyone remember the name of the market that use to be at the corner of Douty and Grangevilled Blvd? "

Cammy wrote on Mar 16, 2009 9:55 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote: I worked in this area most of my life and more than once was a vendor delivering to Save Mart so unless things have changed drastically, this is what I can tell you.

Obviously things have changed drastically Fred, because we do not wear what ever we want. We have a very strict dress code and they will send us home if we do not honor the dress code. I know way back, probably before my time, it was different. I have seen pictures of my grocery store manager. Like i said in my last comment to you, i have been with Save Mart for 10 yrs and it has always been a strict dress code since i have been there. It seems to me Fred that you need to get out more. Times have changed, people have changed, and businesses have changed. I admire you for telling us the history of Hanford. I myself remember when the old Hanford Mall used to be where the 99 cent store is located now on 11the Ave. Times have changed Fred....times have changed. "

Will wrote on Mar 17, 2009 10:01 AM:

" After Mayfair, the mall market became Farm Boy. They moved to Safeway when they closed. The Irwin Street Market, or Hill's Market was next to the pet store on Irwin. Jones and Hansen Sporting goods was where the pet store is. The Market on Douty and Grangeville was called Hi Lo Market. At one time the market where the Sentinel is was called Purity. "

BJMallory wrote on Mar 17, 2009 11:46 AM:

" Cynic asked: And what about the German restaurant/bar - what was it called?
Answer: That was Norma Greenbaums. I was too young to get in when it existed but I remember thinking the name was cool.

Fred said: My parents bought me an ho race set one year
Your parents bought you WHAT? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 17, 2009 1:26 PM:

" To: BJMallory wrote on Mar 17, 2009 1:46 PM:

For the illiterate car or train collector ho is a scale or size of a set of race cars or train set determining also the size of track they run on. Sorry I didn't include the word scale behind the ho, BJ am I bad. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 17, 2009 1:31 PM:

" To: Cammy wrote on Mar 16, 2009 11:55 PM:

I am very aware times have changed Cammy but I am also very capable of the founder of Save Mart Mr. P. and what his hiring requirements were at that time. I call him Mr. P. because I don't know how to spell his last name correctly and don't want to take a chance of misspelling it. But I assure you if you ask around about the Fresno State connection you will find I am right. I served Save Marts from Fresno to Tehachapi and that is the way it was back then. Times do change but Save Mart has always had a strict dress code requiring dress shirts and ties but on Fridays when the games were played it was alumni jackets over the nice dress shirt and tie. Save Mart has always been a big promoter and sponsor of Fresno State. The original concept of the Save Mart Center in Fresno was to give them a better indoor sports facility. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 17, 2009 1:34 PM:

" To: Will, At one time the market where the Sentinel is was called Purity. "

It was also Prairie Market for the short time it was opened in between Will. I know I delivered RC Cola to the store at that time.

I remember when people use to start at Big John's Food King, State Market, Mayfair Mkt., Farm Boy Market, R&N Market and just go down the line cherry picking advertised items at each location. "

Cammy wrote on Mar 17, 2009 3:03 PM:

" Watchdog Fred,

Thank you for clarifying the dress code with me. You had made it sound like thats all we wear, so i felt that i needed to add my two cents in. Your right, we do support Fresno State, however, they only let us wear t-shirts now on football game days and again, we have to pay a fee in order to wear them. Thats neat that you used to be a vendar for grocery stores. So you know moreless how the stores operate. If you don't mind me asking, how long has it been since you were a vendar? "

Will wrote on Mar 17, 2009 3:40 PM:

" I bet the RC was in returnable bottles too! At one time I remember the Sentinel market being some kind of "discount" grocery store, but I don't remember the name. I think it was the era when generic brands were popular. "

Alihandero wrote on Mar 17, 2009 4:37 PM:

" Permit me to say that I see Cammy all the time at Savemart and she is one hardworking dude.

I have never seen her idle or chatting up customers or coworkers inappropriately and has a great work ethic.

She has higher education in mind in the health care field as I recall and hope Savemart can help her attain this goal.

Hats off to you, Cammy! "

Cammy wrote on Mar 18, 2009 3:42 AM:

" Alihandero

Thank you for the compliment! I You put a smile on my face. It feels good to get recognized for my hard work. I try my best to do my job well. Save Mart used to have a slogan, "Fast In Fast Out,And If We're Slow, Let Us Know." Even though we no longer use that slogan, i still honor it. I value my customers because no customers =no job. I know we are higher in price, but we strive for our customer service and freshness.

I know what it is like to go to a place and find the employees rude and inconsiderate for my needs. The result? They just lost my business. People need to understand that they must leave their personal problems at their home and not let it interfere with their job.
Being at my job for 10 years, i think its smarter to stay where i am at and maybe become a manager. I was also going through the process of becoming a CO, but that will be delayed since the state is having money problems. Bummer. I think i might be a lifer anyways, lol "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 19, 2009 10:21 PM:

" To: Will wrote on Mar 17, 2009 5:40 PM:
You are correct the RC was in returnable bottles and some of the real old timers who remember ParTPak will remember RC outselling Pepsi and all others during that time frame. ParTPak Flavors were sold in 32 ounce bottles and were advertised on sale often 4 for a $1. R&N Market use to run 6pk returnable bottles on add for 99 cents, they would have to notify us in advance so we could increase production a one week ad by them could deplete out entire inventory of glass. Save Mart, Farmerboy Market (when Dale was the Manager) and Lincoln Market allowed me to build 500 case displays of six pak cans over the holidays as store fronts one year. When you get paid by the case it adds up.
I hated messing with the empty returnable bottles your most critical time of being cut by glass was handling empties.
The year they came out with Cherry RC in a can we built some awesome displays in hundreds of cases also, we hit the streets two weeks before Cherry Coke. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 20, 2009 8:39 PM:

" To: Cammy wrote on Mar 17, 2009 5:03 PM:

Last work as a store vendor I did in this area was 1994 but I worked in SoCal for an additional almost eight years but mostly in supervision and management. My last position was as Sales & Branch Manager of a dairy distribution center. But I have serviced and sold everything from soda pop, potato chips, wholesale sandwiches & burritos, milk and dairy products drove several ice cream wholesale trucks and established new routes and territories from Ceres to Tehachapi and Baker in the north to Palm Springs and Temecula in the south.
Denham's use to sell a one gallong container of ice cream in a square which I found out in later years was really unique to ice cream packaging. I also learned Vanilla outsells any other flavor by anywhere from 4 to 11 to one depending on the area of the country. The reason you see a lot of bulk sellers of ice cream dipping the ice cream in a circular motion is it keeps the air out by scooping it around the tub of ice cream. "

what-huh? wrote on Mar 22, 2009 2:24 PM:

" watchfred ; I probably know you,as I worked for the Farmboy "family" for 19 years . I started out working there in 1980 with Dale as my boss . I remember going to work at 12:00 a.m. and wading thru the drunks at the bar next door to get in to work . They would always try to get us to let them in the store so they could buy beer n booze before they went home . Wow lots of memories ! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 22, 2009 4:45 PM:

" To: what-huh? wrote on Mar 22, 2009 4:24 PM

We probably do know each other, I met many of the employees, I remember the vendor and store employee coffee room discussions very well.
That's why we work so hard and long is to create the memories to sustain us through the rest of our lives. Anyone in our industry was not afraid of hard work and making an honest living. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 31, 2009 1:25 PM:

" I went to the mall this weekend and Gottschalk's was very busy in comparison with the rest of the mall. It is sad to hear of its closing, one more vacant building in our local mall. Where do you find someone willing to take up that much square footage? Now we have two major stores out of business, now might be the time to support J.C. Penney and Sear's.
I never would have guessed in my lifetime I would see stores like Montgomery Ward, Mervyn's and Gottschalk's go out of business. When those power houses lose we all lose. "




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