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Teachers wear pink to fight pink slips

Friday the 13th held true to its bad reputation as it marked the last business day before the annual March 15 statutory deadline for districts to issue lay-off notices to teachers for the coming school year.

Kings County schools were not exempt from the record 26,000 pink slips received by teachers and other school staff members on or before Friday, as estimated by the California Department of Education. Hundreds of local teachers and other school employees stood up in protest against the pink slips, wearing pink as part of a statewide effort titled "Pink Friday." The event's purpose was to raise awareness about the effects of state budget decisions on schools.

Teachers stood or marched outside several Hanford school campuses before school, some waving pink signs and some distributing fliers and stickers with information about the meaning behind their efforts.

April Silva, president of the Hanford Elementary Teachers' Association, said she helped to lead some of the local efforts on Pink Friday because the state budget cuts affect teachers as well as student learning. At John F. Kennedy Junior High School, where Silva teaches, almost all of the school's teachers manned the school parking lot before school, handing out information to parents.

"The parents didn't realize how much this was affecting schools," Silva said. "My hope is that parents and the community will see our solidarity. We truly believe that it is going to affect our students. Cutting back on teachers will increase class sizes."

Silva and her fellow teachers urged parents and passersby to get involved in forthcoming decisions and opportunities to vote to protect Proposition 98, which guarantees 40 percent of the state budget for education, as well as to raise revenue by creating a fair tax structure that fully funds education for all students and builds a stable economy for future generations.

State Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell joined teachers, administrators, parents and students in acknowledging the sizable tally of teachers receiving pink slips or potential layoff notices in response to the state budget crisis. The recently enacted state budget included $11.6 billion in cuts to public education budget over the next 15 months.

"School districts up and down this state are sending out pink slips to tens of thousands of hard-working, dedicated teachers, administrators, and school staff," O'Connell said. "Cuts of this magnitude will have devastating effects in our classrooms across the state."

Last year, roughly 10,000 teachers received pink slips and an estimated 5,000 ultimately lost their jobs, according to the state Department of Education. Some of this year's jeopardized jobs could be saved by June if voters approve a spending package in a special election in May. Also, money that schools anticipate from the federal stimulus package could decrease the number of staff reductions.

"Before the current cuts were enacted, California already ranked 47th in the nation in per-pupil spending," O'Connell said. "These current cuts are sure to push us further down the scale. Our future depends on our ability to prepare the next generation for success in the hyper-competitive global economy. "

Bonnie Montgomery, a teacher at Kings River-Hardwick School, said 100 percent of the school's teachers wore a pink shirt or matching shirts that read, "budget cuts never heal."

Gary Rice, president of the teachers association for the Pioneer Union Elementary School District, said that "pretty close to" 100 percent of teachers and other school employees participated in Pink Friday. Rice said the teachers had support from district administration.

"We know this is a state issue," Rice said. "We think Pioneer handled the reduction in a very sensitive manner. I hope the efforts will just bring attention to the fact that were having to let teachers go. It's going to hurt our children in the long run."

(March 14, 2004)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

Pete wrote on Mar 14, 2009 9:40 AM:

" The state Senate and the state Assembly have got us in a mess we'll probably never get out of!! The Teachers Union have spent MILLIONS of dollars on the campaigns of these representatives, they voted for them and now the teachers are getting what they deserve. Until we get representatives that won't spend if they don't have the money, things will not change. "

Loanman wrote on Mar 14, 2009 10:55 AM:

" Look at the millions of dollars wasted by schools. An example is the millions paid to the School Board members. The majority of the Board members are there for the health insurance, not because they care about the students. Pay them $100.00 per month, get people on there that do care and save millions! "

Brenda wrote on Mar 14, 2009 4:26 PM:

" To Pete--What about our children? They don't deserve this. "

bellamom wrote on Mar 14, 2009 5:37 PM:

" It's too bad that Pete thinks the teachers are "getting what they deserve", when it's the students who will suffer. "

Not so fast wrote on Mar 15, 2009 1:49 AM:

" Interesting article.

What is doesn't say, however, are the surprisingly small numbers of administrators that got pink slips. Seems we have a very top heavy system here that looks to fire the teachers before it does the administrators.

But the really sad part of it is the oxymoron it depicts. The proposition will direct that 40% of the budget go to schools. While this would be a great way to distribute money to the schools, it limits the possibilities for the budget.

The reason we are in the trouble we are is from the ridiculous method we use to direct programs through ballot initiatives without funding streams to support those initiatives. That ties the hands of the legistators with what they can cut.

Until we can stop the small minded use of the ballot box for these special interest groups with limited agendas that highjack our state budget every year, we will NEVER get out of the trouble we are in. "

Evil Spotter wrote on Mar 15, 2009 2:07 AM:

" Public schools spend $10,000-$12,000 per student of taxpayer money. Private schools spend about one third of that and the children get a much better education. Anytime the Government and unions get involved, the taxpayers gets burned. "

Pete wrote on Mar 15, 2009 9:42 AM:

" "Our children" is always the excuse used by teachers. I've got news for you, "our children" don't get the money! The money is skimmed off the top and then there's nothing left for "our children". If teachers really care, give the children the millions you waste on elections. Again, you voted for them and you, not he children, deserve what you have. "

SuziQ wrote on Mar 15, 2009 9:49 AM:

" Too bad our teachers aren't responsible enough to stand up for our children. Instead of going to the public and asking them for help. They need to be going to the state representatives and telling them to quit spending our children's money. Like Pete said, and he is right, the teachers spend millions on campaigns and voted for the currents representatives, so teachers deserve what they've got. "

valleygirl08 wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:21 AM:

" I agree with Pete, and I don't see how my child would suffer. My kid's school offer nothing in terms of help, in fact I don't know why many of the staff is even there. In the beiginning when my child was a lil bit behind i did everything to see what help the school could provide me, and to my surprise there was none because there is no funding for things like tutors, which seems to be dependent on volunteers. So as the parent I spent the extra time, and thankfully my child caught up but no one at my kids school helped. Now if my child was goin to a school that didn't meet test score requirements that school would have provided government paid tutoring through places like Club Z or Sylvan, tutors would be available because schools that don't meet testing requirements get funding. I think this whole system is messed up, but I am not goin to help the teachers on this one, because when I needed help with my kid there was none, good luck to them but all my free time is spent tutoring my own child. "

Brenda wrote on Mar 16, 2009 3:04 PM:

" I'm not sure if students at the private schools get a better education. Many do not state test so it's difficult to compare. To Valleygirl08: I'm sorry about your experience. My children also go to a school that does not receive the extra funds to go for outside help. I did receive extra help for my children from their school. It's great that you are there for your children. Make and appointment with the superintendant. Let him/her know your concerns. To Suzie Q: Teachers are sending letters to the legislature as well as other things. To Not So Fast: Good point about the ballot initiatives. It seems that there needs to be a focus on one thing and not several. To Pete: The money used to pay for the elections is NOT taken out of school budgets. "

cynic wrote on Mar 16, 2009 3:58 PM:

" NO private schools use the state test - private schools can use non-secure versions but not the STAR tests your public school students take. Most private schools use tests that are not even based on California standards and then tout their high scores and proof of a better education. "

Pete wrote on Mar 16, 2009 4:23 PM:

" Brenda, teacher unions still spend millions on political elections, they still support the people in office and the money is still skimmed off the top before it gets to "our children". If they really cared about the children, give them the millions. Teachers need to quit using "our children" as an excuse for being irresponsible with the money they receive! "

SuziQ wrote on Mar 16, 2009 4:42 PM:

" Brenda, how in the world can you tell Pete the money doesn't come from the school budget? "

Brenda wrote on Mar 16, 2009 8:22 PM:

" To Suzie Q: Okay...Teacher unions pay for their part in the elections. The money comes from teacher paychecks, union dues, which ultimately comes from school money. Last I heard, whether anyone agrees with it or not, people can spend their paychecks as they please. Understand, I am not agreeing with the way that the money is spent. I just want a clear understanding. Which leads me to my next question...To Pete: Explain to me what you mean when money is "skimmed off of the top." Do you have hands on experience with school budgets? Again, I just want a clear understanding. "

RobertD wrote on Mar 17, 2009 11:22 AM:

" Pink is a very pretty and touchy-feely color, but Friday's protest accomplished nothing. CTA (California Teachers Association) will continue to back the liberal spending Democrats that got us into this budgetary mess. The state budget increased 34% in the last five years. If CTA truly cared about kids and schools they would demand and support the election of fiscally responsible representatives that demand limited government and budgetary restraint! "

facts first wrote on Mar 17, 2009 11:56 AM:

" Dear Loanman

Get your information first before you state things... to set the record straight Pioneer and Kit Carson school board members do not get a DIME... no insurance NOTHING!! Believe it or not they do all the work for the students because they care. I cannot speak for all school boards but I know for a FACT that those two districts do not get benefits. If you don't believe me check their board policy - they made it a policy that board members would not receive any benefits. Once upon a time board members did receive but now they do not. "

Loanman wrote on Mar 17, 2009 12:27 PM:

" While I think it's great that Pioneer and Kit Carson board members don't get a dime, I was talking about the State of California and the FACT is they schools pay millions on the board members. Therefore, my FACTS are correct!! "

SuziQ wrote on Mar 17, 2009 1:31 PM:

" Gee Brenda, no one is saying teachers don't have the right to give the money they get from the state to unions. It's just being said the teachers got these representatives in office that are spending all the money and the teachers and their unions are responsible. "

Pete wrote on Mar 17, 2009 1:38 PM:

" Well Brenda, let's take the money spent on health insurance for school board members. I call this skimming because if these millions weren't paid for health insurance, the money could go to "our children". The majority of board members, especially self-employed ones, are on the school board for the insurance. To prove my point, announce that they will not be any more health insurance paid for school board members and see how many current members do not run for re-election. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 17, 2009 6:29 PM:

" I'm just throwing this out there but here goes: Do you suppose the money the CTA spent on No on 8 could have paid to open a new school? Just curious there folks don't jump down my throat, I just think the CTA is a little irresponsible toward their represeantatives when it comes to politics. I have yet to meet a teacher who supported that little gift.
Pete: you are right the unions business agents spend money like it was oil in a spa when it comes to spending foolishly. They all drive nice cars with cell phones in the cars what happened to the one on your belt buckle or a pager, for crying out loud? They wear $400 dollar suits and pay $50 for a haircut and it all goes on their fat expense accounts as business expenses. The unions certainly are not what they originally started out to do and who pays for that the members do. They haven't been what they were since Ronald Reagan and PATCO. The former Screen Actor Guild President destroyed the unions bargaining power. Go figure! Maybe he saw something we don't. "

freedom wrote on Mar 17, 2009 7:43 PM:

" I'm simply amused by so many comments that are quick to blame our teachers and/or schools for not doing their part to help the kids. Since when is it NOT the parents responsibility to tutor their own child? Walk just 1 day in the life of a classroom teacher and see how much you can do to help everyone of those 30+ kids AND their parents who are quick to ask, "What are YOU going to do to catch my child up?" Parents, wake up! It is NOT solely the schools responsibility to offer extra programs, free tutoring, etc. Sad to say, with the current budget issues, the class sizes will only increase and that means less teacher to student time. This is not a school problem or teacher problem where we are "getting what we deserve", The kids will suffer and the parents will blame and none of that will solve anything! Focus your energy people where it really matters and makes a difference. Quit being so quick to blame! "

Buster07 wrote on Mar 18, 2009 10:30 AM:

" So take a minute to step back a second and look at the LOCAL PICTURE. We are loosing good teachers because of these budget cuts, and though people may be unhappy with CTA and where it spends its money, there are still students paying the ultimate price. Not everyone in CTA votes "the union platform", in fact most of the members in this area are very conservative and don't. Local teachers are as much to blame as ALL local registered voters...to assume that only teachers decide our state's elections is ridiculous; and top assume that teachers vote only for education issues is just as ignorant. The fact remains...California schools already have many cards staked against them: We have more languages spoken in every classroom than any other state, we are ranked 47 in spending on students (so saying we keep throwing more money at schools is not true in CA), and we have a shortage of teachers. These issue hurt kids, bottom line. What we need is for teachers ALONG with PARENTS and COMMUNITY members to get involved, take responsibility, and pressure our elected legislators (whoever they are) to make real changes! "

Bobb wrote on Mar 18, 2009 3:44 PM:

" The schools must take a financial cut like every other program as they are the largest recipient of the budget. I do agree with "freedom" though. Parents seem to think the schools and the teacher should take care of everything to do with the parents conceiving a child. Wake up, you brought that child into the world and it is YOUR responsibility to see that the homework is done and do the tutoring. Maybe if the schools did not need to provide almost everything to do with child rearing there would be more money for EDUCATING the kids. "

myfault wrote on Mar 18, 2009 7:44 PM:

" Well, it seems since I'm a teacher I'm at fault for a lot of wrong doings ~ didn't know I had that much power. Just to clarify, the point of the wearing pink of Friday was to show support to those teachers receiving pink slips and to help show the state how education is being affected as many parents do not realize the impact it is taking. Yes, education is supposed to receive a lot of the budget; however, they are yet to receive the money they are budgeted for. In fact, schools are starting a year out thinking they'll get money, buying what the kids need, then finding out they won't get the money to cover the expenses! That's what many don't understand. We realize that many state programs are being affected, we are just trying to encourage school boards to take their cuts in creative ways that don't hurt the class sizes of our students so we can educate them to the level they need. Sorry for those schools that haven't served their children, but, I think you would find more teachers that go beyond for their students than not! "

mrs. m wrote on Mar 18, 2009 8:48 PM:

" Not So Fast makes a great point in that it usually is teachers and support staff that get the pink slips and not Administrators. The teachers and support staff are the "front line", providing direct services to the students while many Admin positions are at a remote location pushing paper and telling the "front line" what to do. Then these "front line" people are given less help to do the same or even more work and then corners have to be cut in order to finish the work.
Students in the end suffer. Until the state quits putting so much pressure on test scores and lets teachers teach, we will not see progress. Unfortunately, teachers cannot teach because they are too busy fixing many problems the parents created the first 5 years of that child's life.
Parents need to take responsibility and realize that they have a 50% share in ensuring their child's success and cannot expect the school to do everything. Freedom is right on point that parents need to tutor their children, ensure homework is done. Parents need to be held accountable, quit putting it all on the teachers and schools. "

Pete wrote on Mar 19, 2009 12:31 PM:

" Yes, as a teacher, it is your fault! You pay dues to the unions, the unions pay millions to get these state representatives elected and these representatives waste money that could be going to the schools. You can't just sit back being puppets, you are responsible just like parents are responsible for rising their children. "

chuck21 wrote on Mar 19, 2009 2:59 PM:

" Here is the thing about education. I had parents who cared and shaped my mind and I wanted one so I went to school and got one. People put in all this garbage about how schools and teachers need more money to teach. The money is not the issue, the issue is that there is not too many people these days that do anything to shape our childrens minds and parents these days can be blamed for much of this. Parents and children are more distant from their kids these days then ever before. I am all for pink slips to wing out bad teachers but not good teachers who still maintain some values. I too often hear teachers talk about how great it is to have holidays off and three months in the summer, which should not be your primary reason to teach. "

myfault wrote on Mar 19, 2009 3:26 PM:

" Chuck: Good points! The problem is the pink slips are going out to your least seniority teachers~the ones who "typically" are out to shape the minds. They are new and fresh and non-jaded. NOT to say that veteran teachers (like myself) aren't in it to shape minds, but many do feel their hands are tied and are now just putting in their time. As for the holidays & 3 months off ~ oh boy, don't say that to a true teacher! There's no such thing!! During my spring break, I'll be in my classroom. During summer, I'm in my class. My wife rolls her eyes often because we can't go on vacation without me thinking of my class and finding items that they would love if I bought and brought in to add to our resources. I understand what many say about being shut down by schools not helping their kids, what many don't understand is that schools are often limited to what they can do for students because of state laws regarding qualifying kids for special help. We hate it too, but we have to live with the rules set before us. "

coffeelovinmom wrote on Mar 19, 2009 8:55 PM:

" This article failed to point out a very important part of Pink Friday. I can only speak for the school my children attend-but teachers were NOT the only ones observing Pink Friday. Many students showed their support Friday as well & wore pink or sported stickers to show their support for the staff that they care about. A lot of parents did as well, myself included.

Regardless of who voted for whom or how much teachers/admistrators receive - this is about THE CHILDREN. When teachers receive pink slips, the CHILDREN are the ones who lose the benefits of education. I don't remember anyone saying that the students receive the MONEY - it's about what they lose when teachers are taken away.

Why is it that just for once we can't look at THAT part of the picture and say, "That stinks - the CHILDREN deserve this?" "

coffeelovinmom wrote on Mar 19, 2009 9:12 PM:

" (continued) What does losing teachers have to do with raising a child at home? Seems to me like everything has been picked apart & has, as usual, become political & not personal. It's personal for ME knowing that my kids come home sad, worrying about losing the teachers they have come to know over the past few years. THAT's why parents and students wore pink on friday.

I'm surprised the paper didn't direct people towards the website, www.pinkfriday09.org, to help the public learn more about the facts. It upset me that so many people here in Hanford had no clue what Pink Friday was about.

As for the private school realm, I attended private school my entire life and know for a fact that the education is way higher. But many of us don't have that kind of money, so we open our hearts to the schools that our children do attend. We get to know the staff well, we see the work that they do, we try to be involved & we hear how much our kids care about their teachers. And we'll continue to "Stand Up for Schools." "

Brenda wrote on Mar 19, 2009 10:16 PM:

" To Chuck 21: Unfortunately, pink slips are not used to weed out the "bad teachers." Even though teachers may enjoy their holiday time, they do not get paid for that holiday time. They only get paid for the days that they work. To my fault: You're absolutely right! There are a lot more great teachers than ones that are not. "

valleygirl08 wrote on Mar 20, 2009 1:43 AM:

" I didn't mean to get off subject I was responding to a previous comment and to defend the parents side. My son is in 6th grade and my other son in 4th grade and I work with these guys constantly. I don't blame the teacher if my kids slack off, I blame myself. I do think that the system is messed up, I don't ask for complete help but just a little and many times I feel as a parent I get the blame and am shrugged off automatically. I hope that in the end whatever decisions are made are done with the kids best interest in mind. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Mar 20, 2009 3:29 PM:

" to chuck21, I agree with you and that is the way that I rose my children, both A+.
Now to those trying to defend the teachers. Why not quite the union and instead send the union dues back to the state, that would make a small contribution back.
Not all teachers are great, so that may be why we need standardized testing.
Why so many languages, should only be 1, English. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 20, 2009 6:04 PM:

" To: Bobb wrote on Mar 18, 2009 5:44 PM: I agree with some of what you say Bobb to a degree, but here is the problem it is not you, it is not me, it certainly doesn't seem to be the teacher who appropriates and spends this cash from the state. It is paid administrators who can't seem to be able to see past their noses when it comes to budgeting funds for schools. If you have X amount of schools and you have X amount of teachers with X amount of students year in and year out why can't you get a head of the blame game and get close to a budget? Why can't you include X amount of dollars for pencils, papers, pens and so on what use to be called school supplies. Which now the term simply means they are available for purchase at Staples. Which is fine parents should contribute to their childrens education but when you have three all involved at the same time that is no longer involvement that is another bill. We are facing a declining student body count and a declining budget. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 20, 2009 6:11 PM:

" To: Bobb wrote on Mar 18, 2009 5:44 PM: I can't understand why some of the students declining wouldn't mean less budget required to operate? When you have any gathering if fewer people show up the cost goes down, everywhere but in the classroom.
We are spending 51% on our school budget out of every tax dollar collected in the state of California. There isn't a government department afloat that wouldn't exchange budgets with them.
Including corrections, so somewhere along the line a professional auditor with the ability to crunch numbers needs to come on board and take control of some of the eratic spending that is evidentally taking place. We keep throwing money at the problem and many of the needs still are not being met. Perhaps what we need to do is give some admin types pink slips and let some experienced math teachers partake in the budgetary procedures? If you have a classroom of 30 students and ten bring brown bag lunches you darn well better have at least 20 lunches in the cafeteria come lunch time. We can provide certain children breakfast but not an education. "

teach67 wrote on Mar 20, 2009 6:34 PM:

" Everyone is to blame for the crisis california and our education systmem is in, not just the teachers and our union. The blame game is the easy way out , its easier to blame others than look at ourselves. We all need to take a step back and re prioritize. There is a lot of wasted spending and regulation in schools, but lets face it, education is not a priority in California or the US. Its justs a hot topic for elections and people to blame schools and teachers for all that is wrong in socieity. Anyone who knows a good teacher knows they do not have summers off, they are always working on becoming better teachers,. NO one deserves to get laid off becasue our legislatures ( Democrat and Republican) cannot be fiscially responsible. Why are you not all mad at them? Not one of them is taking a pay cut or layoff? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 20, 2009 7:57 PM:

" To: teach67 wrote on Mar 20, 2009 8:34 PM:

I'm not apposed to your proposition for every teacher that gets laid off let's lay off a couple making decisions in Sacramento. That idea works for me look at the benefits packages and salaries you would save? "

Scott Tucker wrote on Mar 21, 2009 3:36 AM:

" "I agree with you and that is the way that I rose my children, both A+."

NHG: I hope when you were "rising" your children, that you taught them how to conjugate the verbs "to rise" and "to raise" correctly.

Hope you are having a nice start to Spring! "

Scott Tucker wrote on Mar 21, 2009 3:45 AM:

" Furthermore, that is QUITE a statement about unions. Somehow, I think it might be a bit difficult for teachers to "quite" a union, but then again I could be wrong.

Why so many languages, when we can't even get our own language "write"?

Quel malheur!! ;-) "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 21, 2009 3:10 PM:

" To: Scott Tucker wrote on Mar 21, 2009 5:45 AM:

" Furthermore, that is QUITE a statement about unions. Somehow, I think it might be a bit difficult for teachers to "quite" a union, but then again I could be wrong.

As usual you are wrong, all it takes is a unanimous vote of the membership and the union is history. That's how they come and that's how they go. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Mar 22, 2009 9:37 AM:

" to Scot Tucker, sorry that you had to stoop so low again. I have pointed out many times that I don't run my posts through a spell checker, it has been almost 40 years since I have had to turn in my papers for grading, but I can say that both of my children are A+, top of their class either 1 or 2. Can you the "expert" teacher" say that about your kids? I try to overlook mispelled words, and try to understand the meaning of the persons posts. But rather than offering anything positive or counter my points, you drop to correcting my grammar. You know as well as I do that I added an e to quit, but you being so intelligent should have been able to garner my meaning. And I guess that I was wrong to say "rose" and upon reflection I should have used "raised", but again that was during the heat of the debate.
I was forcing the response back due to quitting time. "

Pete wrote on Mar 22, 2009 10:57 AM:

" Oh come on Teach, it's not "EVERYONES" fault the state is in the shape it's in, it's the Democrats fault! They have driven this state into the dirt. People got discussed with Davis and recalled him, now Arnold has done just as bad. Democrats run the State Senate and Assembly, they are the ones respoindisible and anyone who votes for them are also respondisble. And it won't change until there's a change of the reprentatives. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Mar 23, 2009 3:56 AM:

" NHG: Yes, I admit that my comments were not of the high-road variety, and I can understand a typo from time to time. We all make them, myself included. However, I find it ironic and disingenuous to criticize teachers on the one hand and to toot one's own teaching skills on the other, while at the same time making numerous grammatical and typographical errors.

The heat of debate? Really? You're sitting at home in front of a computer with all the time in the world to re-read, correct, and re-draft what you have written. Is proof-reading a skill that you also taught at home?

I'm sure your children are intelligent people and have a firm grasp on grammar and spelling, but don't make them look bad by claiming to have raised and schooled them while simultaneously peppering your own comments with errors.

And the reason I chose to take the low road was simply to exemplify the fact that here you are criticizing teachers and their unions, but have foolishly forgotten to correct your own comment in the "heat" of the debate. Thanks for showing us that there is a reason why professional, educated teachers exist. "

Alihandero wrote on Mar 23, 2009 4:57 AM:

" (Note to self: Expatriate malcontento proffers nothing of importance on this topic except grammar-critique gibes. Perhaps the title use of the term "Pink" was a code word - call to arms? end note)

And continuing on this particular education topic we all read the following:

"...vote to protect Proposition 98, which guarantees 40 percent of the state budget for education, as well as to raise revenue by creating a fair tax structure that fully funds education for all students and builds a stable economy for future generations."

Do you have any valid opinion on this, Scott Tucker? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Mar 23, 2009 10:04 AM:

" to Scot Tucker, nowhere did I say that I "educated" my kids, nor have I ever said that all teachers are bad. But I do think that the union protects too many bad ones. And normally I don't post at home, but rather during my limited lunch break at work, so yes there is pressure to type and post as fast as possible. But I can state as a matter of fact that during an awards ceremony that one of my son's teachers publicly stated "that I believe that he knows more about Science than I do".
What I meant about my kids was that both of parents tried to ensure that our children understood that education is paramount. That we ensured they completed their homework, remained respectful to their teachers, even if they thought that they knew more about the subject then the teachers. Now my son is in only his 2nd year at college, but taking heavy loads and has enough credits to be considered a Senior with plans to become a doctor. Can you say the same? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Mar 23, 2009 10:10 AM:

" to Scot Tucker, I am not completely against unions, but I see them more often as evil than necessary. I personally do not think that they should be able to make any political contributions, as with any group of people, not all will agree, therefore the combined money shouldn't be spent on political contributions. Or they need to survey all members, and distribute political funding proportionately. Since this would be a burden, it is easier to say NO political contributions from unions.
I do think that the teachers need to do a better job of policing their own, and then perhaps their image umong the rest of us would look better. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Mar 23, 2009 2:12 PM:

" NHG: Thanks for the explanation.

Kudos to your son. Pre-med is no easy task. I wish him well. And he can feel very lucky to have parents who place a great interest in his education. Not all children are so fortunate (trust me, as an educator, I have seen the worst type of parents).

Can I say the same about becoming a doctor? No, I cannot. Teaching was something that I always wanted to do, so medicine was never an option for me. But if it's my scholastic accomplishments that you are interested in, let's just say that I have received my share of awards and honors in my time.

No politicial contributions from unions? Do you then also support the flip-side of the coin -- no contributions from corporations and big-business? Teachers work hard at what they do. They invest great amounts of personal time and effort into teaching children. They are passionate about education and often make great personal sacrifices to ensure that children prosper, often for little pay and little respect. Why then should they not have a union to protect their interests and ensure that they receive fair pay and benefits? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 23, 2009 3:26 PM:

" To: NHG you are dealing with a selfish, vindictive scholar who somehow thinks his education makes him better than anyone else. He boasts of a highly professional teacher and we are all yet waiting to see that from him. He attacks more bloggers than the piranas in the South American waters.
Solutions and ideas evade his commentary, while vile and oblivious attacks replace common sense and good manners. This is only apparent to those who have read over the last year the lack of input to resolve issues by him. At least if I disagree with a situation, I will offer constructive suggestions to improve or change the problems. I don't see that coming from Scott, he simply wants to attack the oposition rather than resolve the issues. NHG on the otherhand offers thoughtout resolutions and suggestions and also works for the betterment on most issues. He offers conclusive and researched alternatives and explanations in most instances. That is why I've come to respect NHG and only wish I could say the same of my email partner Scott. Everything in the economy and world isn't always about education in Switzerland. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 23, 2009 3:33 PM:

" To: NHG and I relate our lifetime experiences which is the larger education we choose to relate from and about. Scott on the otherhand cannot relate to a budget, physical labor, blood, sweat and tears in the everyday environment of society. He's lived in this cacoon as first a professional student then as a teacher striving for tenure so he cannot be touched by budget cuts or anyone else's opinion of him. The teachers who post they are spending their spare time still learning earn my respect. Those who seem to spend most of their spare time visiting the tourist interests in Europe however do not. It's nice that the opportunity presents itself but quite clearly there is much more to be learned by the learn ed teacher. Me thinks the students in his class pay a high price for his ventures to sight see and polaber with his European neighbors. It is immature and infantile to not be able to take off your teachers hat long enough to avoid the temptation to correct other adults grammar and punctuation. This doesn't demonstrate professionalism but rudeness to the highest degree. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 23, 2009 7:09 PM:

" To: NotHomeGrown wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:10 PM:

A wise Mayor of a city once told me two things you should never discuss in your dealings is religion and politics.
Funny that concept should come from someone who's roots are vested in politics, don't you think?
But quite honestly, should a union be allowed to take the funding of all and pre-select it's use for political gain without first not taking the temperature of your members? How is the most protective of workers not demoncratic enough to allow democracy to play out amongs it's own ranks. Why is it Business Agents and ranking members are the know all, see all heartbeat of such a powerful political force? These members are voted on by the members, yet the members vote somehow misteriously along with their voice ends with that vote. Once in office the elected union member then within the confines of his own wisdom makes the decision for and on behalf of all union members without consulting them any further. Wow! We need these visionairies running the country. Oh that's right, they are aren't they since last November! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 23, 2009 7:17 PM:

" To: NotHomeGrown wrote on Mar 23, 2009 12:10 PM:

Where does Obama get off scolding AIG employees when his own Financial Director didn't pay his taxes until he decided to hold public office? Once a cheat always a cheat has been my experience with cheaters. It gets in their blood stream and they can't help theirselves.

Don't get me wrong I don't think anyone who performed so poorly as these creeps deserves a bonus, most don't deserve to hold their current positions in fact. Had I been in charge it wouldn't be the teachers getting the pink slips it would be the head school masters like CFO's and CEO's, Sales Management types, that would have got walking papers not bonuses. Your people only deliver what you demonstrate and elect to encourage them to do. Any Sales Manager worth his weight should be able to go into a sales territory and get five for every single account he wants his/her sales staff to obtain. If he can't deliver that then he/she should not be in sales management.

You want a clean operation, cleanup your own staff's act, before pointing fingers. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Mar 25, 2009 1:10 PM:

" to Scott, yes I would also include Corporations and such. It should be individuals only and limited to $3 per person, just my income tax return says I can have contributed from my taxes. I for one think that out politicians are ALL for sale, notice I said ALL. Whenever you have raise hundreds of millions of dollars to get a job that pays less than half a million a year, something is wrong.
To WDF, yes you and I often share the shame thoughts, probably both from the old days of thinking. I also agree with you that the CEO's and such of AIG should have gotten a pink slip rather than a bonus. If I don't produce to the level that is required of me, I would certainly be fired. I also agree that it shouldn't be GOOD teachers that are given the pink slips, trim off the fat of the other positions, such as why 3 or more vice principals? Why a staff physciaritist (spelling). "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 25, 2009 2:47 PM:

" To: Scott Tucker wrote on Mar 23, 2009 4:12 PM:

Pardon me for asking but is this not akin to tooting one's own horn? Or is it simply the kettle calling the pot black?

"But if it's my scholastic accomplishments that you are interested in, let's just say that I have received my share of awards and honors in my time". "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 25, 2009 7:53 PM:

" To: NotHomeGrown wrote on Mar 25, 2009 3:10 PM:

When I was in school we had a Principal and a Vice-Principal/Dean of Students. People don't wear two and three hats any longer in education and it is sad they don't. First of all, these positions were filled by former teachers who understood teaching and students which really gave them a hands on approach to their own jobs. There is much too little of that now in society, people don't have to know how to do something anymore to qualify to teach it and that is wrong. That is why Vocational Schools are such a success because they tend to hire from within the industries experienced people to fill teaching positions. Teaching these days is much more than a simple credential with a degree in basket weaving. Those who that pertains to will know what I am talking about and those who don't know what I'm talking about should not take offense. Basket Weaving and becoming a teacher went hand in hand during a certain era in this countries history. "

posychild wrote on Mar 27, 2009 2:43 PM:

" I wore pink on Pink Friday. Ironically, that following Monday I received my pink slip. Mind you, the management team will continue to go on to the next step of their salary schedule July 1 when I hit the unemployment line. It would be laughable if it wasn't only me that will head to/call EDD. "

kermit the frog wrote on Mar 28, 2009 12:54 PM:

" Fred and NotHomeGrown, you guys really must stop dogging school administrators until you spend a day in their shoes. You know why some schools need 2 or 3 vice principals? Because there are way more students with way more issues than ever before. You have no idea how many students really look up to the men at school especially, because they don't have a father figure in their lives due to prison or simple absenteeism. NHG, the term is "psychologist," and it is such a growing field with much need because so many kids have problems these days. And they have to be dealt with or the school district gets sued because a child didn't receive services. And an administrator is in charge of dealing with that lawsuit. And many teachers can't or won't handle their own discipline, so more vice principals are needed to address those problems. You really have no clue how a school district operates. Volunteer, job-shadow an administrator, tutor some kids, mentor some kids, or something, before you continue ragging on people with a lot of hats to wear under a lot of stress and scrutiny. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 28, 2009 9:07 PM:

" To: kermit the frog wrote on Mar 28, 2009 2:54 PM

I disagree with you, every 18 year old boy who graduates school is not fearing induction into the service. We grew up in some pretty tough times and we didn't have a psychologist strapped to our hip. Guess what we survived and for the most part did very well, now you are saying the kids have to be spoiled with attention because dad is absent, well that isn't our faults. Perhaps Mom should have done a background check prior to conception?
If a teacher refuses to discipline a child then the administrators are not doing their job. Because that is who has always disciplined school children. When they got completely out of control they would be sent before the dean of students and he would deal with it, normally a Vice Principal so how have things changed my friend? Perhaps they should do with public administrators what they do in the private sector and have a headhunter come in and observe and report to the Principal the strengths and weaknesses of his staff, and make decisions accordingly. Shadowing!!!! "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Mar 30, 2009 1:17 PM:

" to kermit the frog, like they are they only people that have to wear more than one hat and have stress. What is wrong with society today is that everybody is lawsuit crazy. Little Johnny was stressed out at school today because he didn't dress out for gym and his teacher marked him down. Poor thing.
Since you seem to know so much, then please tell me why kids are Hanford High are no longer allowed to get a hall pass to use the restroom during class? Because some kids got caught using drugs? Then why not punish them? Why punish the whole student body. I don't know if you have ever suffered IBM (irratable bowel movement). I feel sorry for the first student that soils themselves because of a stupid rule. But I guess that students were looking up to their mail role models as they illegally partook of drugs. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Mar 30, 2009 6:25 PM:

" To: kermit the frog wrote on Mar 28, 2009 2:54 PM:

I have mentored young adults kermit as a result of many parents and teachers shortcomings. As a manager hiring a work force, I often found myself giving young male adults an education they didn't receive at home or in school. From why you should bathe properly and using deodorant to math classes because they couldn't do the very basic math without a calculator strapped to their hand. So don't tell me what I should shaddow, you need to go out in the public sector and see what you are producing as an end product. Most are not reliable, they get that first paycheck in hand and forget they have to earn the next one so they don't bother showing up for work. What kid today would not be motivated enough to show up for $160 per day? But they are out there, not motivated, able to pass the first drug test but get caught up in drugs and fail the first random test. When that happens they are gone because I won't put the public in danger for anything. "




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