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First rights: U.S. still a nation of laws, not men?

President Barack Obama, having released the official Bush administration policy directives on "enhanced interrogations" (known worldwide as torture), briefly admitted they showed "us losing our moral bearings" (April 21). But he will not prosecute CIA implementers of those policies. Nor will he call for an investigation of the high-level officials and Justice Department lawyers who authorized those excruciatingly detailed techniques. Why? Concerning them, "There are," he says, "a host of very complicated issues involved."

Mr. President, allow me to uncomplicate -- for you and other interested Americans -- the actual, specific U.S. laws and international treaties the CIA has systematically violated during interrogation of terrorism suspects. But weren't the CIA operators acting with legal approval from the very top of the chain of command?

On April 22, the Senate Armed Services Committee, after a very extended investigation, released an answer to that use of the Nuremberg Defense. ("We were following orders").

"The fact is," the report made clear, "that senior officials in the United States government solicited information on how to use aggressive techniques, redefined the law to create the appearance of their memos legality, and authorized their use against detainees."

There was never a lawful basis for torture.

This, therefore, is the first of an intermittent series on what these war crimes were, and under which laws. In citing violations of international treaties we have signed and ratified, I remind the president that under Article 6 of the U.S. Constitution, "all treaties made, or which shall be made, under Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land."

To begin: The U.N. Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman Degrading Treatment or Punishment is the primary international law on torture. Signed by Ronald Reagan in 1988, it was ratified by the Senate in 1994. It states: "Each State Party (signatory) shall ensure that all acts of torture are offenses under its criminal law." We have done that in the U.S. War Crimes Act (1996) and the Torture Victims Protection Act (1991).

The Convention Against Torture adds -- very significantly for the current debate here -- that "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture. ... An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture."

We have also signed the Geneva Conventions, whose Article 146 mandates that each contracting party "shall be under the obligation to search for persons alleged to have committed, or to have ordered to be committed, grave breaches (of the Geneva Conventions) -- and shall bring such persons, regardless of their nationality, before its own courts."

Your hear that, Mr. President?

Moreover, Article 3 of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, which has been made part of our law, requires that any person -- whether a prisoner of war, unprivileged belligerent, terrorist or noncombatant, is guaranteed freedom from "cruel treatment and torture" and "outrages upon personal dignity, in particular, humiliating and degrading treatment," including denial of process in case of trial.

These guarantees, Mr. President, apply "in all circumstances" and "at any time and in any place whatsoever." Maybe when professor Barack Obama was teaching constitutional law at the University of Chicago, he did not have occasion to teach a course in international treaties that have become embedded in U.S. law.

And former constitutional law litigator Glenn Greenwald (Salon, April 17) reminds us of the Charter of the International Tribunal at Nuremberg (Article 8), in which we were involved.

"The fact that the Defendant acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior shall not free him from responsibility, but may be considered in mitigation of punishment if the Tribunal determines that justice so requires."

But there WAS a much-praised tribunal at Nuremberg, and that defense didn't work there.

With regard to the authorizing Justice Department lawyers who creatively invented ways to leap over these laws and treaties, professor Jordan Paust -- in his essential book "Beyond the Law" (Cambridge University Press) -- documents that "not since the Nazi era have so many lawyers been so clearly involved in international crimes concerning the treatment and interrogation of persons detained during war ...

"(These were lawyers) directly advising how to deny protections in the future, (and such) denials are violations of the laws of war and (of) war crimes."

Paust adds: "The full truth about conspiratorial and complicit involvement, and the embrace of what (former) Vice President Cheney has correctly described as 'the dark side,' remains partly hidden."

But, President Obama, more and more of the truth will break through because, as you said on April 16, "the United States is a nation of laws." Yet you keep saying you prefer to "look forward and not engage in retribution." Being believable again as a nation of laws is "retribution"?

As John Conyers, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, promises (The New York Times, April 18): "If our leaders are found to have violated the strict laws against torture, either by ordering those techniques without proper legal authority or by knowingly crafting fictions to justify, they should be criminally prosecuted."

To be continued.

Nat Hentoff is a nationally renowned authority on the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights. He is a member of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, and the Cato Institute, where he is a senior fellow.

(April 29, 2009)

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Alihandero wrote on Apr 29, 2009 4:18 PM:

" It's was not torture and it was approved by the President and the Senators and the Assemblymen/women of the U.S. Congress.

Make of that what you will, libs. "

Devil's Advocate wrote on Apr 29, 2009 5:09 PM:

" So you take the CIA agent that performed waterboarding, and try him before a jury of his peers. Make sure he is given the same outs he would have to prove his actions were justifiable (as the law dictates per justifiable homicide http://www.lectlaw.com/def/j059.htm). He should get off, as would his superiors.

But if you MUST find him guilty, then sentence him appropriately - make him wear a great big medal pinned to his chest so everybody in Los Angeles can know who to say "thank you" to as they pass him on the street. "

Paul wrote on Apr 30, 2009 5:58 PM:

" I am against ALL TORTURE by anyone. We hung people in Germany for "following orders" which is argument that will always be given when pressed. And after that deaths will start to happen. After that well... let's kill them all. And you know were that went right????

The ONLY DIFFERENCE between the germans under hitler was that HE DIDN"T get his lawyers to write up a legal opinion to justify those actions that WE are using now.

McCain himself has been against this from the beginning. He knows the difference. But that "legal opinion" saved bush. Cheney is defending Cheney and Rove is defending Rove and isn't strange that NO BODY is defending them. And where is georgie in all this???? Hiding out. What has he said.

We had NEVER gotten to the stage of having to investigate ANY previous admin. until bush.

God, I hope the drag his bones through the coals on this one.

But like Ford with nixon, Obama will pardon him. That's the RICH American way. "

Alihandero wrote on Apr 30, 2009 6:29 PM:

" Let's see:

"In the United States, the federal government is prohibited from passing ex post facto laws by Article I, section 9 of the U.S. Constitution and the states are prohibited from the same by clause 1 of section 10. This is one of the very few restrictions that the United States Constitution made to both the power of the federal and state governments"
(source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto_law#United_States)

If enhanced interrogations were deemed to be not torture and were approved by Congress, the President, and the Attorney General (as well as the courts) after the 9/11 attack on America,

AND

Extraordinary Rendition was a legal policy approved by President Bill Clinton well before 9/11,

THEN

How can we prosecute past actions determined to be legal across the board just because Obama opines that something legal in the past is suddenly ‘torture' now?

Seems like the libs are conducting another Spanish Inquisition of their own - minus the ACTUAL torture this time! "

Devil's Advocate wrote on May 1, 2009 10:29 AM:

" My father was waterboarded as part of Escape and Evade training while in the military. So if anyone faces prosecution, I will give in to my desire for a incredibly fat inheritance, and encourage him to file a class action lawsuit against the United States of America on behalf of the tens of thousands of service personnel similarly "trained". Crimes are always harder to prove than civil liability, and we won't need a unanimous jury. I figure everyone will clear a few million dollars out of it.

Don't be upset folks, try to think of it as another economic stimulus.

Also, since ABC is so fired up to find a patsy; I'll have to point out to them that their story at the following link leads with ACTUAL torture, since you can't DEMONSTRATE torture by performing ALL its components and have it not BE torture:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=7471217&page=1

They seriously "demonstrate" waterboarding; how can it be torture at GITMO, but not in their video? "

RobertD wrote on May 1, 2009 11:04 AM:

" Unless I am misreading Paul, he is equating the tactcis used to get information out of terrorists being held at Gitmo with the mass execution of over 6 million Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, etc. during World War Two? Are you serious! What a misapplication of history. How can you in any way shape or form justify saying what the US is soidng now is just like the actions taken by the Nazis during the Holocaust? "

watcher wrote on May 1, 2009 9:45 PM:

" I see why America is in the sad shape it is in. I was reading some of the commits. It looks to me that most people have no stomach for war or Victory. They would just roll over and be Victims. I guess it make them feel all warm and fuzzy inside to bow down in defeat. I say use what ever it takes to extract the needed information that would save American Lives. No excuses. We were the Victims. There is no room for morals during a time of War and yes, Blood shed. I am tired of hearing people cry about the rights of our enemy's. They were treated as soldiers and prisoners of War. They are not entitled to civilian courts or Justice systems. They should be held for the duration of the war. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 8, 2009 1:22 PM:

" To: Paul wrote on Apr 30, 2009 7:58 PM:

" I am against ALL TORTURE by anyone".

Then hop on an airplane fly to Iraq and Afghanistan hold a meeting with al Qaeda and tell them to stop beheading people and hanging them from bridges. Oh, you might want to include a turniqute in your baggage.

You see Paul, the world isn't as simple as you think it might be? Also just because you are against torture doesn't mean "AlQaeda is", quite obviously. You really need to get out more and live life in the REAL world with the REAL people. You and Obama think you can solve every foreign policy matter with lip service. Sometimes, you have to use diplomacy and sometimes diplomacy is no longer the answer. Iran is relishing in this new government we have, they are getting all the time they need to expand and develop nulear energy capable of at least five or six weapons. North Korea is loving it, because now to all those countries who didn't have a delivery system. Next scene, "Paul beats his shoe on the table". "

Paul wrote on May 8, 2009 1:51 PM:

" RobertD wrote on May 1, 2009 1:04 PM:

" Unless I am misreading Paul, he is equating the tactcis used to get information out of terrorists being held at Gitmo with the mass execution of over 6 million Jews, Slavs, Gypsies, etc. during World War Two?

Oh robertd, you are like wdf... read only what you want to read.

We put Germans and Japan on trial for "following orders ", we put them on trial for waterboarding and now that bush "GETS" a legal opinion its ok? many underhanded things happen behind closed doors but "we" were always supposed to be above that. Now we are not???

There is a saying that says, "don't bring yourself down to their level." We have always said that about ourselves. Now, the devil take the hindmost, right!???

Because there is no difference between us and them. And because of that what is to stop us then from using those same "legal opinions" to bomb another country because we our courts say we can wipe out thousands to get to one or six. Kinda like what we did in Japan robertd.

Quit listening to wdf. "

Paul wrote on May 12, 2009 2:00 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on May 8, 2009 3:22 PM:

You see Paul, the world isn't as simple as you think it might be?

For about an year wdf... you have been making comments about you fond memories of frosters freeze and dragging on main street, and I have been telling you to join the 21 century.

well, it seems you have. congrats. This world we live in today is a VERY DANGEROUS place. And the world NOW seems to have adopted the policy of "if you kill one of mine then I'll kill two of yours."

We are going to be like the middle east, fighting so much that we don't even know why we are fighting anymore. WE, AMERICA, wdf - have to stop this somewhere and pick our fights well, and not just cause "daddy didn't finish the job." Look at where we are now.

There was a time wdf when if you were in another country and you spoke English people would flock to you. And so now when I am outside America, I speak Spanish so I won't lose my head. I KNOW ABOUT REAL PEOPLE. "

RobertD wrote on May 13, 2009 8:50 AM:

" Paul, please do not insult me. I think for myself and am not beholden to the ideas of anyone. I understand that you are against ALL TORTURE, but to equate waterbording or sleep deprivation with the "crimes against humanity" committed by the Nazi regime is simply idiotic. You claim that the Nazis were put on trial at Nuremburg for waterboarding. Are you serious!? Have you read "Justice at Nuremburg" or any of the trial transcripts? The atrocities committed by them no where come close to waterboarding or sleep deprivation. Yours is a criminal misuse of history that no objective person would accept. I bet the millions exterminated by the Nazis would take serious exception to your view. "

Paul wrote on May 13, 2009 5:57 PM:

" continue to believe what you believe in robertd. But you are missing the whole point of what I am trying to say about torture.

Teddy Roosevelt spoke up against "WATERBOARDING" when he was fighting in the Phillippines. WE have signed treaties that AMERICA WILL NOT TORTURE. but thanks to a "legal brief" that made the author of that brief a federal judge, AMERICAN can now torture also. Now isn't that nice.

But one strange thing robertd... where is bush in all this??? why hasn't he come out like the once silent vice president who is now the most vocal ex. where is bushie???

You can look through your rose colored glasses and swear that what we have done is good. I see the world in that movie i saw in school all those years ago, "Hangman."

And that rd... means that if you don't say thing in the beginning, eventually the hangman will come for you. "




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