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Giant flags stolen from local car lot

By Joe Johnson
jjohnson@HanfordSentinel.com

The large American flag that flew high above Valley Ford Lincoln Mercury was stolen early this week, an act that may cost the automotive business $500.

The disappearance of the 15-by-25-foot flag was discovered on Monday morning. Several witnesses reported seeing the flag at the 11th Avenue and Lacey Boulevard business late Sunday evening.

Parts and services director Ed Holt said the thieves must have been planning the theft well in advance, because a ladder or a step-stool would have been required to untie the flag.

"The knot isn't so high up that you couldn't touch it, but even if you stood about 6 foot 5, you'd still need a ladder to get the thing undone," Holt said. "Whoever stole it must have really wanted it."

Holt estimated that the American flag alone is worth $500, while a large California flag was also stolen from the pole.

"I've been here 22 years and we've had this happen once before, years back," Holt said. "We will probably just buy a new one. I wish they'd just unhooked the flag, though. Instead, they pulled the whole rope down, so now we'll have to get the fire department or someone to come restring the 60-foot pole."

Hanford police were not called in to help search for the missing flags, Holt said.

The reporter can be reached at 583-2425.

(May 8, 2009)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

SuziQ wrote on May 8, 2009 11:40 AM:

" I hope whoever did this gets caught and their picture put in the paper so we can all see what low-life trash looks like. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 8, 2009 12:25 PM:

" Well you can bet it wasn't the thief's Patriotic feelings behind this theft. I can't believe people would stoop so low, especially twice. But at any rate, even if not caught with the flag, judgement day will come on their actions.

It's very bad timing with a depressed market, the recent purchase and a serious new overhead expense to have to deal with this as well.

Hanford P.D. if you come across this flag, be sure and prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law, because I believe this constitutes grand theft. "

bluefalcon559 wrote on May 8, 2009 6:00 PM:

" Not only is this a disrespectful act to Valley Ford, but it is a disrespectful act towards the City of Hanford, Kings County and the State of California; moreover when our nations colors are stolen this becomes a true unpatriotic and disrespectful act to ever citizen of the United States and to every service member that has fought for the symbol of our flag; FREEDOM!

I just hope that the person's that stole our nation's color's will one day understand the true symbol of the 13 red & white strips, the 50 five-pointed stars and what each color represents!

But my guess is they'll never know, because their actions now are only leading to more problems for them down the road; unfortunate for "John Q Tax Payer" we'll have to pay for their troubles. "

B. wrote on May 8, 2009 7:22 PM:

" As busy as that intersection is, no one saw anything? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 9, 2009 11:45 AM:

" To: B, they saw a flag and stole it. End of story. "

Alihandero wrote on May 9, 2009 4:29 PM:

" My sentiments exactly, Blue Falcon.

Respect for the flag and what it represents is lost in both form and substance to this liberal secular 'anything goes' generation.

What a pity, what a loss... "

Mrs.D wrote on May 9, 2009 9:50 PM:

" For a moment there, bluefalcon, you went all Sgt. Dautrieve(King of the Hill reference). "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 10, 2009 9:10 AM:

" I can't help but think that this theft doesn't reflect the mood of the nation right now. After all we are being represented by a President who believes you work hard all your life and gather what you have and he as President comes along, by order of Congress, steals what you have and gives it to someone else, who is less fortunate. Isn't theft-theft, he is setting a horrible example for the youth, so what do you expect.

He is telling them, see something you want just take it and redistribute its' worth.

This in no way, eliminates the examples Blue Falcon gave of why they shouldn't have done it and who it affects.

I say find them, string them up on a flag pole and return the property to its' rightful owner. "

Former Resident wrote on May 11, 2009 9:20 AM:

" To Mr. Watchdog: Give me a break!! This crime has nothing to do with President Obama. It is about someone either doing this just to be noticed or an individual that truly doesn't understand what our nation's flag truly stands for and did it for whatever reason they felt was justified to do so. It is so unfortunate but I'm sure that they were in no way thinking about the president or his political beliefs. That is totally absurd and a ridiculous comment to come from someone who supposedly is intelligent and well informed as you claim to be. What a waste of space in this section. "

kermit the frog wrote on May 11, 2009 12:47 PM:

" Kudos Former Resident!! WDF is going way out on a limb. And still negative drivel... A theft is a theft, and more often than not it's not about the item stolen but the thrill of stealing it. "

Alihandero wrote on May 11, 2009 3:18 PM:

" Hey Watchdog,

You apparently struck a raw nerve with someone here (or not here as the case might be).

The folks who take umbrage with our point of view are kin to the Tories in our American Revolution: colonists who didn't have the stomach for fighting British rule or who had curried special favors and treatment over the other ‘regular' colonists so they supported continued English rule.

Much like today.

Who here does not see what is really going on? Obama is ‘in.' Liberals are ‘in.' Socialism is ‘in.' Ain't it cool? Stick it to the man finally? Only now WE - the American people - are the ‘man.'

We the people have every right to protest, to complain, to stand our ground when and where we see injustice.

That is the American way.

Isn't it still freedom of choice? Wanna listen to Wanda Sykes or Rush Limbaugh?

Or perhaps someone in between? "

dose wrote on May 11, 2009 3:36 PM:

" Since most people and businesses that fly the flag tend to disrespect it, by not taking it down at night and leaving it up in the rain. Why should anyone else respect it. I've never seen Valley Ford take their flag down at sundown and raise it at sun up. I've seen it blowing majestically in freezing rain as I drive by. I am willing to bet that all of you so-called good 'merikans who fly the flag also treat it with the same disrespect. So get off your high horses and stop complaining. If you want every one to show respect for the flag then start leading by example until then you're all hypocrites. "

kitty on the keyboard wrote on May 11, 2009 6:08 PM:

" Amen! Thank you Former Resident! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 12, 2009 10:37 AM:

" To: Former Resident wrote on May 11, 2009 11:20 AM:

I agree to disagree with you, I am a firm believer in people following their leaders opinions and behavior. If you cannot make that correlation between this theft and the theft of many hard working people's lifetime investments and earnings by the President and his cabinet as well as his congress. Then perhaps you aren't paying close enough attention to the many bailout programs, his 3 trillion dollar budget and his redistribution of wealth. The sad part is, it doesn't stop there. Do you consider our former veterans receiving health care as rich? Yet he is dipping into the Veterans funds, cutting the defense budget and special projects to fund his new health care initiatives. He is ignorning a contract that Uncle Sam made with me and billions of other veterans forty years ago, how dare he do that? That would be paramount to your lender telling you after you paid on your home for 30 years, it wasn't paid for in full. So if you take offense to this comparison sobeit, but you aren't the one losing, "YET". "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 12, 2009 10:50 AM:

" To: Former Resident wrote on May 11, 2009 11:20 AM:

For those of us who have served our country, this crime is worth far more than $500 in fact the intrusion would be hard to put a price on. The disrespect for those who gave their life blood in honor of that United States of America and this flag would literally turn over in their graves.

To a military person the flag never touches terra firma and is never surrendered by any means. We make a commitment to this nation to honor and protect it at home and abroad, even if it means the ultimate sacrifice. A commitment like that is available at no price, and to steal it is an absolute insult. Not only to John Keller, the owner of this dealership but to every man and woman who has worn the uniform of their country. Not over 20 miles away from that flag pole lives a unit of the United States Navy, that makes sacrifices on a daily basis to training and deployments around the world. Do you think they don't care that flag was stolen? . "

Alihandero wrote on May 12, 2009 3:08 PM:

" Well now,

"dose" says this about the Valley Ford flag:

" I've seen it blowing majestically in freezing rain as I drive by."

Sleet in Hanford? I've been here since 1990 "dose" and unless I was say, stoned, no way could I have missed the blizzard you say you saw.

But you did get something correct when you said: "all of you so-called good 'merikans."

You didn't place yourself into our company!

Thanks ever so much! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 12, 2009 4:53 PM:

" To: Former Resident, Kitty on the keyboard and dose.

What exactly is somone a criminal going to do with a flag 15-by-25-foot. Run it up a flag pole like a sign that says come and arrest me, I stole this flag. Not hardly, they will destroy or disfigure it. There could be nothing else as a motivating factor than to steal something to destroy it.

Furthermore, if they are that disatisfied with the way this country has been ran for the past 200+ years, then let them leave and go to another country and give freedom a chance. Freedom from their disrespect, freedom from knowing they aren't on the "Welfare Roach Coach" or some other government program feeding their lazy butts.

What PBO has done for the three of you so blind, is he has done more to divide this country than any former President. We may not be rioting in the streets in revolt because we have too much class for that, but we are mad as hell and most of us aren't gonna take it anymore. You'll see many more TEA parties down the pike. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 12, 2009 5:01 PM:

" To: Former Resident, Kitty on the keyboard and dose.

What you fail to look at also, is that $500 cost of replacing that flag, just may be placed on people who only want to buy a new automobile. So who is paying for the theft, the consumer, so like Ali said; when you stick it to the man, you are essentially sticking it to yourself and us. How brilliant is that for a plan, team. Let's stick it to the man so he can turn around and pass the cost on to us. How brilliant, I'm glad Dwight D. Eisenhower didn't think like that.

If we allow criminals to steal from local business, does it not stand to reason it could cause them to go out of business.

I detect excuses and reasons from all of you for the thieves, but I don't hear any sympathy for the owner of the flag. Isn't he the one who suffered a loss, not the criminal, sneak thieves & cowards who chose to prey upon his property under the cover of darkness? The owner must ask himself the question, what will they steal next? "

Bobb wrote on May 12, 2009 5:45 PM:

" Dose; I do agree with you that many people and businesses disrespect the flag. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if you light the flag at night I believe it is OK to fly it. As for foul weather, those that are lighted and fly 24/7 are made of material that can withstand inclement weather. Just like the American soldier who fights on during any kind of weather. "

dose wrote on May 12, 2009 6:48 PM:

" Ali:

Are you kidding me, I have photos of snow in Hidden Valley Park from Dec. of 2001.

Fred:

Not one single word of your comments at me had anything to do with what I said. You are the only one here trying to lake this a political issue (and you are failing miserably at accomplishing that). Furthermore I never defended the stealing of the flag. I merely pointed out how hypocritical it is of you and others on here who are complaining how disrespectful it is, but are silent on the fact that most American flag's are flown contrary to the rules for flying it.

Bobb:

Thank you for responding in a civilized and logical manner. I think you might be right that it is ok to put up the flag at night if you light it. But realistically I'll bet that's less than 30%. Also I am not sure if the rules say it is ok to fly the flag in inclement weather as long as you make it out of real durable materials. If you want to check and find out, please let me know. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 13, 2009 1:32 PM:

" To: Bobb, this is what the Veteran's of Foreign Wars says about displaying the flag: Flag Etiquette

"The federal flag code says the universal custom is to display the U.S. flag from sunrise to sunset on buildings and stationary flagstaffs in the open, but when a patriotic effect is desired the flag may be displayed 24-hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness. Also, the U.S. flag should not be displayed when the weather is inclement, except when an all-weather flag is displayed".

Very few flags are made of cotton any longer most are made of material that will withstand incliment weather.

So Bobb, what you said is clearly proper flag etiquette. "

SuziQ wrote on May 13, 2009 2:49 PM:

" Former Resident does have a point, the only tie the thief has to Obama is that they are both Democrats! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 13, 2009 8:08 PM:

" To: dose wrote on May 12, 2009 8:48 PM:

I think those men buried on Iwo, Tarawa, Guam, Vietnam, South Korea, Iraq I & II, Afghanistan and all over Europe might feel what I am saying about this incident has everything to do with politics. All brave souls who gave all so many of us could have freedom and the right to speak our minds in a blog.

If you don't see the correlation between patriotic men and women who gave their lives for the very item that was stolen and the fact it was STOLEN, then I have empathy for you. Each one of those buried men and women sacrificed their lives in honor of the United States Colors they swore to uphold and protect, dose. They lost their families, lives, futures and dreams on behalf of the United States of America. What is the largest symbol of this great nation, it is our flag. How uncaring and irresponsible can a person be, not to recognize, that this theft was an offense to every man or woman who adorned a uniform and swore an oath to protect this nation? Shameful! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 14, 2009 9:55 AM:

" dose, you think the flag doesn't have history, I invite you to read the following:

"It wasn't until the Civil War that people began to revere the flag. On the eve of the war, after Louisiana secessionists threatened to seize a federal ship, U.S. Treasury Secretary John Dix sent a telegraph that said, "If any one attempts to haul down the American flag, shoot him on the spot."

"A year later, William B. Mumford tore down an American flag from a U.S. mint to show his opposition to the federal occupation of his city. He dragged the flag through the mud and shredded it".

"That didn't sit well with a flag-loving Union general. He had Mumford arrested, convicted of treason and hanged".

Too bad that general isn't still with us. "

dose wrote on May 14, 2009 5:15 PM:

" Fred:

First you complain that nobody is upset about this crime where the victim is out 500$ and the criminals should be punished. Then you complain because no is remembering the soldiers who dies for the flag and that the people who stole it hate America. So are these people plain old thieves or are they America hating socialists.

And your comment about me not recognizing the history of the flag is preposterous. For many reasons but I'll give you two. First I never said the flag has no history, anything that old has history even rocks have a history Fred. Secondly it has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion. "

X111 wrote on May 15, 2009 1:55 PM:

" Watchdog Fred, if you were a real American, you'd follow your commander in chief no matter what. The population of this country elected this man to lead us. Surely a former soldier like yourself knows better than to question our leaders, right? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on May 18, 2009 8:49 AM:

" to X111, first WDF has never stated he was a "soldier", but rather a sailor. And while he was in the service all that he did was to take an oath while in uniform to obey all orders of his superiors. Now that he hasn't been doing that for awhile (i.e. no longer a sailor), he has no more obligation to do that then you do. Just because he is not supportive of President Obama, doesn't make him un-American. Otherwise all of those that attacked Bush for 8 years would be so much more un-American as they did it for 8 years, and WDF has only had a little over 100 days.
Not knowing anything about you, but presently I would believe that he is much more of a patriot than you are, at least he has posted of his service to his country. What about yours? "

X111 wrote on May 18, 2009 1:40 PM:

" To NotHomeGrown: I was under the impression that Obama, the president, the Commander and Chief, is the highest ranking official who can control the military (whether it be army, navy, etc.). If WDF was nearly as patriotic and all-American good-ole boy as he claims, I have to believe that the President's word would be gospel to him. Apparently that's only the case when the leader of our country says what Watchdog Fred wants to hear.

And as for my alleged lack of military service, wasn't it Samuel Johnson who said that "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"? And what of your illustrious military career? Do tell us how you were willing to go once more into the breach to defend your ideals. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on May 19, 2009 8:54 AM:

" to X111, I am sure that I have avoided more lead mosquitoes in my lifetime than you have. I volunteered in 1971, spent 6 years defending this country, (something about an all expense paid vacation to South East Asisan war games had an alluring effect on me!) and possibly saved someone like you from being drafted. Does that qualify enough for your question about my service? I actually have a copy of my SRB so I can point out exact dates of when I was awarded different ribbons and medals. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 19, 2009 10:21 AM:

" X111 wrote on May 15, 2009 1:55 PM:

X111 wrote on May 15, 2009 1:55 PM:

" Watchdog Fred, if you were a real American, you'd follow your commander in chief no matter what. The population of this country elected this man to lead us. Surely a former soldier like yourself knows better than to question our leaders, right? "

I am doing what is required of me as a good sailor, I am not disobeying the Commander In Chief, I am disagreeing with the Commander In Chief. There is a specific difference to those in the know. Also respect is something that is earned by the man if he is to be respected. The respect for the uniform or position goes without saying.

I worked for several officers I always didn't agree with them all, and was allowed to let them know at the time I didn't. The order is to follow the order then question it, I follow the order to respect the Commander In Chief and then Question his orders, because quite honestly they don't make sense, & I am not the only one questioning them (Continued) "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 19, 2009 10:32 AM:

" X111 wrote on May 15, 2009 1:55 PM:
And as for my alleged lack of military service, wasn't it Samuel Johnson who said that "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel"? And what of your illustrious military career? Do tell us how you were willing to go once more into the breach to defend your ideals. "

Well sir if this were earlier times in history this is where I would remove a glove slap you across the face with it and invite you to participate in a duel.

But since duels aren't legal any longer, I'll just sufice it to say a Genlemen who hides behid his service either never participated or is ashamed of the end result. So I must call you out as ashamed or having never have served, which is more likely the case.

( "

Alihandero wrote on May 19, 2009 3:40 PM:

" Our Flag really IS a powerful symbol!

"X111" (he's either the unpopular videogame or the failed miniseries-take your pick) apparently shows hatred of the things that made America great.

He comes out of the woodwork merely to attack the flag of the United States of America and its patriots. Fine - we always had those of his ilk to carry the banner of disrespect and shame.

Here's something he apparently missed when googling his quotation of the day though:

"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated."
- George Bernard Shaw

I am sorry that our flag scares him so much! "

bluefalcon559 wrote on May 19, 2009 7:33 PM:

" To Nothomegrown, thank you for your service! Without your service then, we would not have what we have today!

To WDF, as always, thank you again and glad to see you up and about again!

To X111, it's probably a good thing the draft is not in place today.

To the Hanford Sentinel, it's a shame that the first Amendment is not as true today as those who drafted it, wanted it to be! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 20, 2009 9:17 AM:

" To: X111 wrote on May 18, 2009 1:40 PM:

Your deffinition of a good soldier is clearly more evidence that you have received all of your military training from television and the comic books. Today's fighting man is a complete man with a brain and quite capable of using it. It has always been the tradition of the military to follow orders, but it has never been the tradition of the military man not to question them. That is a fool's tail and a version you are expected to believe. Evidently they fooled you with it?

The complete fighting man/woman today is quite capable of carrying out orders and also quite capable of questiioning those orders in a respectful and proper manner, to which you are not privy sir. So quite evidently my previous thought of non-service where you are concerned is quite appropriate.

Once again allow them sufficient space in which to articulate their igonorance and it will become prevelant in their conversations.

To Not Home Gorwn, Blue Falcon, Ali and those other gallant men and women sho have served Thank You For your service and honor. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 20, 2009 11:05 AM:

" To: Alihandero, Blue Falcon, Not Home Grown how willing are we to continue to allow launches that one day may be aimed and carry a nuclear war head? We need to start shooting down the drones, before they become the armed combatant we all know they can be. Too many in our society do not perceive the threat of a medium range missile launch. The devistation to our troops and to Isreal could be uncermountable and horiffic if we allow these tests to continue. What next do we provide the uranium to finish off the project? Or do we step up to the plate a knock the home run down the centrifuges being built inside Iran. Shall it be a war we can easily win now, or one millions will die in later that will be fought? As the mighty orator plans for battle he may find he is insufficiently prepared for the devistating impact of an all out nuclear war. But rather well versed to make motions towards a complete surrender. Our foreign policy, is we have none. One thing George W was, was prepared. "

X111 wrote on May 20, 2009 12:56 PM:

" My last reply was apparently eaten by the powers that be, so let me try this another, shorter way: Fighting for peace is like sleeping for freedom. Congratulations on your service to our country. It's just a pity it didn't teach you any humility, otherwise you would hold that same service over your head like some kind of baton to be wielded against those that disagree with your opinions. A complete individual indeed! "

bluefalcon559 wrote on May 21, 2009 9:02 AM:

" To X111 - I am a total believer in the "team Concept"; but sometimes individual's are needed. They a lot of the time can bring a different outlook on a situation. Many times that "Individual" is the one who is the savior to the team: To name a few:

CPL Jason Dunham
SPC Ross McGinnis
LT Michael Murphy
MSG Gary Gordon
SFC Randy Shughart
2LT John Bobo
CPL Michael Crescenz
SSG Robert Hartsock

I can keep going if you like...? but what each one of these "individuals" have in common is... they all are recipients of the Medal of Honor. Each one of them died being an "individual" protecting the "team" and by answering the call of duty and defending what our nations flag represents! "

Alihandero wrote on May 21, 2009 1:13 PM:

" I am curious, "X111,"

Is there something you perhaps would like to contribute to this news article and specific topic?

Perhaps you should review the Sentinel's 'rules of the road' for the ground rules here, and perhaps your submissions would not get "eaten."

Just a thought. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 21, 2009 5:52 PM:

" To;Alihandero wrote on May 21, 2009 1:13 PM:
and BLUE FALCON,

Don't you both find it ironic that going into the Memorial Weekend we are having this discussion, only thing better would be if it were Veteran's Day Weekend. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 22, 2009 12:59 PM:

" To: X111 wrote on May 20, 2009 12:56 PM:

Thank God men like George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Hancock and Abraham Lincoln didn't think like your quote below. Any person with knowledge of facts knows that before peace comes war, it's the only way to that end sometimes, as our history proves.

"Fighting for peace is like sleeping for freedom"

Blue Falcon, I couldn't have said it better myself. Thank You and those brave individuals who were part of a fighting team, for your/their service. Then now and always, freedom is not free for anyone, without your gallant service. May you continue to fight the fight.. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on May 22, 2009 7:13 PM:

" As we enter into this weekend of Memorial Day, I would like to express my appreciation in memorium for all those fallen hero's, former service members, veterans, as well as those currently serving for their dedication, sacrifice, unselfishness, in their service to this great nation.

While we remember all our lost loved one's veterans and civilian who have passed for their contributions to the greatest society that ever walked this planet. I for one am always appreciative of the freedoms we enjoy on a daily basis, the opportunities still yet available in this world today, to be happy and to pursue happiness.

Don't allow our differing views to separate us from the most important race of all, the human race. Because there are setbacks and disagreement does not mean that compassion and intelligence must parish from the planet. Man/Woman alike for centuries now have met discord with reason and thought process to eliminate frustrations and problems, now is not the time nor the place to setaside that pursuit.

May you all have an enjoyable, and memorable weekend filled with happiness in remembering those we've loved and lost, for a shorttime. "

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