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County braces for cuts

Layoffs have been avoided for years in Kings County, but departments are bracing for deeper cuts that will likely make it impossible to prevent them, county officials say. Despite state budget woes and the recession, the county has so far been able to balance the budget through a hiring freeze and eliminating vacant positions.

But with a further drop in revenues and a deepening state budget deficit, county officials say for the first time in years that staffing cuts are imminent in the next fiscal year.

"We have at this point attempted to eliminate positions through attrition and through a hiring freeze," Staci Phelan, management analyst, told the Board of Supervisors during Tuesday's meeting. "We'll make every attempt to stick with that; however, in fiscal year 09-10, we may not have the luxury of getting rid of positions through attrition. We may have to resort to actual layoffs. We may also have to go back to the bargaining table looking for some concessions."

Concerned county employees as well as contracted service providers packed the supervisors' chambers, as decision-makers reviewed the status of the current budget and anticipated budget impacts for next year. The study session -- held with a sense of urgency -- came a week after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced deeper cuts in light of the failed budget ballot measures.

No decision was made regarding whether layoffs would be made anytime soon.

County Administrative Officer Larry Spikes said the purpose of the meeting was a "reality check."

"We're going to be making every cut we can make to the budget ... We're going to be talking about making cuts wherever we find them, to services and supplies and all the other categories," Spikes told supervisors. "We don't want to do layoffs if at all possible. Our point was to make sure that we had a reality check with you that we're not going to be able to escape the process forever."

Meanwhile, supervisors stressed that they would weigh all options before resorting to layoffs.

"We as a board have not yet made that vote," said Supervisor Richard Valle. "There's a lot of work to do. I don't think we make these choices easily."

Supervisor Tony Barba cautioned his colleagues that laying off people doesn't always save money. "The state is laying off correctional officers, but they are also having to pay (some officers) double time to fill in for those who were laid off," Barba said. "The number of layoffs sounds good, but if you're paying them off, you're not saving any money. So we have to be careful of that."

Schwarzenegger last week proposed a new round of $6 billion in budget cuts, targeting key social programs, such as CalWORKS and Healthy Families, after voters rejected a series of fiscal measures. The reductions came on top of $16 billion in cuts he unveiled two weeks ago, and was followed by $3 billion further in cuts designed to meet the budget hole, which has now swelled to $24.3 billion.

County officials say the state will most likely trigger the emergency clause in Proposition 1A passed in 2004 to borrow up to 8 percent of property taxes collected by local governments. For Kings County, that would mean a one-time loss of $2.5 million in discretionary funds, $138,000 in library funds and $413,000 in fire funds, officials say.

The state is required to pay back the money with interest within three years, but it remains uncertain how it will be done or how much interest would be paid.

Kings County will also likely lose more than $2 million in Williamson Act money. Under the act, the county is reimbursed for property tax revenues lost when giving a tax break to farmers who agree to keep their lands in agricultural production.

Two months' deferrals for health and social service payments to the county will affect the human services agency and behavioral health department in August and September, creating a massive cash flow problem, county officials say.

Phelan said the proposed elimination of the CalWORKS program would not only affect some 7,000 children and families on public assistance, but would also lead to the loss of a third of the human services staff, which is about 31 positions. Kings County issues CalWORKS cash assistance totaling $1.4 million each month.

The state is also anticipated to take away the gas tax money from counties.

Kings County each year spends about $3.2 million in basic maintenance of the county road system. Gas tax funds make up nearly two-thirds of that funding, said Public Works Director Harry Verheul.

"If we lose all the gas tax, I don't know how we'll function," Verheul said. "I think we'll have to lay off people off and shut down. And that's scary."

The reporter can be reached at 583-2429.

(June 4, 2009)

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Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 4, 2009 12:11 PM:

" To: Alihandero, Blue Falcon, NHG, maybe this county will finally realize we aren't LA County and we cannot continue to support illegal immigrants from now on.

This debate over monies and gay marriage will evoke another civil war one day, if this mess continues. I don't think any of us want to see that happen, but it very well could.

I am surprised there wasn't violence in Fresno this weekend over the two rallies, to be honest with you. Especially when gays showed up, to protest the Yes on 8 folks, what the LGBT's are the only ones who can rally or protest now?

I've never seen a mute issue get so much attention.

If every county would sell off every non-essential county vehicle it would save the state hundreds of thousands of dollars. But that won't happen, not as long as Arny continues to drive his hummer instead of a Prius. "

The Oracle wrote on Jun 4, 2009 1:23 PM:

" Hear this people??? 1.4 MILLION DOLLARS issued by Kings County each MONTH. I will say it again and again..I HOPE Calif Implodes. We are finally getting down to cutting these out of control welfare benefits that have literally bankrupted this state..All the while the county is EXPANDING/building onto the welfare office. Im sick of going to the store and watching as welfare queens slide their benefit card to pay for items, then have their husband/boyfriend behind them with the "other" cart full of beer, etc and pay with a roll of bills they take out of their pocket. But we refuse to address this. Im sick and tired of paying the way for illegals and others that wont work...and Im guessing that you are too "

kermit the frog wrote on Jun 4, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Whose bright idea was it to lay off correctional officers and then pay others even more through overtime?! Surely Arnie would not approve of that ridiculous move. If each prison has a boss, did not all those bosses let the big boss know what could become a problem? Duh... "

Joe Friday wrote on Jun 4, 2009 4:02 PM:

" The Oracle wrote on Jun 4, 2009 1:23 PM:
Hear this people??? 1.4 MILLION DOLLARS issued by Kings County each MONTH. I will say it again and again..I HOPE Calif Implodes. We are finally getting down to cutting these out of control welfare benefits"

Oracle, Kings is a county with about 155,00 people. If 15% of our population is on government assistance that equals out to about 23,250 people who receive aid. Of these the majority are kids.

If you divide $1,400,000 by 23,250 people the average benefit is $60.21! Do you consider 60 bucks per month "out of control"? "

raidergirl wrote on Jun 4, 2009 9:57 PM:

" Arnold is the one with the bright idea to layoff the CO's & prisons are left no choice to fill those spots with other officers to fill those gaps. He is the overall boss of the prisons. The prisons and unions have expressed their voices in trying to help with the Ca budget. But how do you get a big headed Gov to listen? The Gov would rather do it his way or no way and when he doesn't get his way he jumps up and down throwing his tantrums. The Gov. would rather continue to allow the inmates all of their privileges rather than take them away. Inmates should be allowed limited visiting. There is more officers put on shift for visiting than there are actual visitors, thus causing overtime. These people committed crimes, they chose to take their freedom and rights away. So why should they get so much privileges. But my sister who is a single working mom who gets healthy families is about to lose her medical insurance that she has for her 2 yr. old because Gov would rather take that away than take privileges away. "

Skip wrote on Jun 5, 2009 9:43 AM:

" Joe, where can I verify your figures? I have trouble believing them and would like to see for myself. I really question "the majority are kids" because you have to be 18 to get assistance, I think. Now it may go to the parents who have kids, but not directly to kids. Please let me know where to look. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 5, 2009 12:17 PM:

" To: Oracle, amen brother, it's about time we realize the minority, cannot continue to support, and provide benefits to the majority. "

Joe Friday wrote on Jun 5, 2009 2:09 PM:

" Skip, you are correct in your statement that the benefits do not go directly to the minor. They are paid to the parent or guardian on behalf of the child. Statistics on mother receiving AFDC and their average number of kids can be found here:

www.census.gov/apsd/www/statbrief/sb95_2.pdf

When the average mother receiving benefits has between 2 and 3 kids, one can estimate that the majority of benefits are paid on behalf of the minors. I agree that better safeguards are needed as are more welfare investigators to curb abuse. But how do you do this in a time of shrinking budgets? The state is raiding the local monies that could be used for better enforcement. It is the proverbial Catch 22 situation! "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 5, 2009 2:43 PM:

" I am not sure why Joe Friday condones the tax and spend welfare system that could use an overhaul.

He apparently likes to see us distribute our hard-earned income to 'those poor folks' no matter what.

If so, let him personally create a stimulus package from his personal wealth.

That's the right thing for him to do, and he would feel so much better! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 5, 2009 4:23 PM:

" To: raidergirl wrote on Jun 4, 2009 9:57 PM:

Well raidergirl why don't we do like we have with all the other jobs in California. Let's transfer all the prisoners to prisons in Kansas and other low income states where the C.O.'s are paid $10 an hour and very little benefits, which they have to pay for theirselves. That would solve two issues, crowded prisons and C.O. overttime. It would be cheaper to pay those states, to house our prisoners than to do it ourselves, with the high cost of union represented CO's milking every dime they can that the School District's don't get.

They have just as many dangerous criminals and drug dealers already in Kansas as we do in our prisions. They are doing it better and cheaper, than we ever could. The C.O.'s back there seldom complain and they are down right greatful to have jobs. They don't live in 300k homes and drive brand new automobiles, but they have a good life. "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 5, 2009 5:54 PM:

" Hey Joe Friday,

I guess you are neutral on the welfare subject as you have demonstrated knowledge of the topic. If I was wrong in attributing your support for the system, I am sorry.

You said this which makes sense:

"I agree that better safeguards are needed as are more welfare investigators to curb abuse."

Do you have any other tips for us? "

Dandre wrote on Jun 6, 2009 11:34 AM:

" 'Welfare Queen'- phrase MADE UP by St Reagan
to get out the 'angry white vote'. This political 'tactic' was part of the 'blame America first' campaign used by the Neo-Con's to take the successes of Middle Class BOOM that was a direct result of the Liberal overhaul using Social Security and financial regulation to repudiate the crash and boom economics of the Cons.
Con's still chasing their tails? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 7, 2009 4:10 PM:

" To: Dandre wrote on Jun 6, 2009 11:34 AM:

WELFARE QUEEN: The Real Definition, is a woman who is on Welfare, WIC, Section 8, healthy families, Medi-Cal, Welfare to Work and all other available programs.

While Jody, parks his car down the block and comes sneaking in to the house after dark and co-exists with the Queen. No contribution to paying her way, other than the "work for cash program", he established with his current employer so Social Services couldn't collect Child Support, on his other five or six kids.

That dandre is the correct difinition of a Welfare Queen. Reagen had nothing to do with creating her, the Queen Bee and the rest of California's Democratic Politicians and their give-away programs did. The Queen Welfare Bee created herself through evolution of the Welfare System.

No not the fault of the former Govenor and President. She exists thanks to all the social programs developed to give her a better life than 90% of the working stiffs in this Sate. Including you dandre'. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 7, 2009 11:51 PM:

" Thank you for the 'ditto-head' definition of 'welfare queen', Ann 'the man' Coulter would be proud....
but once again your historical knowledge is lacking.
I know how easy it is for one of St Ronnie's campaign tactics to become your 'reality' .... "

Dandre wrote on Jun 8, 2009 12:08 AM:

" The book, Myth of the Welfare Queen is a powerful rebuttal of the specter wielded by those who have worked to dismantle the welfare system: the welfare scammer. Ironically, it was not a Republican administration but Bill Clinton who dealt that system its most lethal blow. On August 22, 1996 Clinton signed the 'welfare reform act,' thereby eliminating 13 million people, including 8 million children, from the AFDC rolls. Author David Zucchino writes, "...few of the Senators and congressmen who voted for the welfare bill had ever met a person on welfare, and even fewer had attempted to find out precisely what welfare recipients did with their government checks."
Pulitzer Prize-winning Zucchino spent six months doing exactly that. "If there were any Cadillac-driving, champagne-sipping, penthouse-living welfare queens in North Philadelphia," Zucchino writes, "I didn't find them." After reading his compelling, well-researched, highly readable account, the reader is convinced that if such abuses were the norm, Zucchino would have uncovered them. "What I found instead was a thriving subculture of destitute women, abandoned by their men and left to fend for themselves and their children, with welfare and food stamps their only dependable source of income." "

Bobb wrote on Jun 8, 2009 8:45 PM:

" Dandre; You are right about politician not knowing how their constituents live. After numerous year in office they forget where they came from. Most are groomed as politicians for years at local and state levels and do not live among us. I just paid my 2/nd installment of Federal and State taxes. They take about 25% of my income not including local fees, DMV fees, gas tax, etc. These politicians very likely pay less that I and many don't even bother to pay unless they get caught. Granted, living on welfare is no panacea, but it sure needs some overhaul. I have worked my butt off all of my life to save for retirement only to see it disappear. We do have the richest poor in the world. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:19 AM:

" Hey Bobb, did you hear the actor that played coach, on Fox News whining about when he was on welfare and foodstamps, nobody 'bailed' him out!
WHAT?
the republican party protects the 'uber-rich' while they empty our treasuries by attacking the 'poor'.
the 'irony' they use other 'poor' to do it!
War- profiteering, used to be illegal, immoral and Un American.
The 'con's' have turned 'War-profiteering' into an 'art'.
Just ask KBR or Xe..... "

bewildered wrote on Jun 9, 2009 1:58 PM:

" Just a note: Healthy Families is NOT welfare, nor can a person on welfare qualify for Healthy Families Insurance. It is insurance for children under 18, whose parents are employed, BUT their employers do not offer health insurance OR for the self employed with children who do not have the option of Health insurance. There are income minimums and maximums to use thiis group insurance option. It is for 0 - 18 years only. Are we really at the point where we are ready to throw these kids under the bus and take away their healthcare??? What kind of person HOPES California implodes in on itself?? And no, I am not on nor have I ever been on public assistance of any kind. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 9, 2009 7:21 PM:

" To: bewildered wrote on Jun 9, 2009 1:58 PM:

" Just a note: Healthy Families is NOT welfare, nor can a person on welfare qualify for Healthy Families Insurance

I noticed you didn't discount any of the other programs that are alive, well and available to Welfare Recipiants. Why is that? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 9, 2009 7:36 PM:

" To: Dandre wrote on Jun 9, 2009 9:19 AM

Yeah, like Obama declaring his program is working, because ten banks want to pay the money back and get rid of the restrictions placed on them by the government. First of all, it was Bush who gave them the money, secondly those additional strings Obama put on them made them run like scalded cats. That isn't success, that is default once again by the Federal Government to stand by its' word, to the recipients of the bank loans. Sure the money will be paid back, but will the banks really be better off, or will they just keep jacking up charges to the consumer to make up the difference. They have been making money hand over fist ever since the Federal rates dropped to less than 2%. The banks will turn around and charge 15% for personal loans and rake in the cash. So honestly, who is kidding who here? The banks don't need a bailout with those ridiculous rates available. Try offering those rates to big business and watch how the economy grows? Advertising brought to you by ACORN. "

nicky23 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 12:20 PM:

" First of all, alot of what I read is unbelieveable that our state is getting worse and worse. Second of all, I know some of you are putting some of the blame on illegal immigrants, but you have to really think about it. Would you go out and do acutal hard labor in above 100 degree heat, 7 days a week, 8-12 hours a day with no sick and/or vacation pay while earning minimum wage? Then on top of that not having a vehicle for transportation and then having to pay co-worker for rides to and from work, which is way more than what KART charges. If it weren't for these people, we wouldn't have the nice fruit, vegetables, dairies, etc that we enjoy so much.

As far a welfare goes, do you or have any of you ever worked for the actual dept and/or been on assistance? Welfare isn't just there for people taking advantage of the system. Its also for people who have been in domestic violence, lost their homes and/or jobs due to unforseen circumstance. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 10, 2009 12:31 PM:

" to dandre, got those blinders on that you can't see past the end of your nose? I have personally seen what another poster referred to. See it almost everytime that I go grocery shopping on a Sunday. Get behind those receipients that have to sort out their shopping carts (note plural). What can go on the card, what can't, and for some strange reason everytime they pay for the not authorized items it is with $100 bills. So yes their $100 ends up getting them a whole lot more groceries than my money would get.
Don't try to blame the Welfare Queen on Reagan, the welfare program started way before him. And just because one reporter couldn't find any Welfare Queen, there are documented files of people busted for welfare fraud, and yes some of them did have Cadilacs. But be factual, people from all races and creeds have been busted for welfare fraud. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 10, 2009 12:37 PM:

" to all, I am not that up on all of the ways that people are able to use those "cards", and alot of it is legit, but at the same time is does hurt to see someone get something for nothing, while I get little for all of my effort. Someone explain how the money that the state does receive from the fathers of children is passed on to those children? And why aren't all fathers of children that are not still a member of the household required to pay? Yes we need to ensure that there is no cash for work done, that everyone must be paid on the level and taxed accordingly. If I would be required to pay for my child, then why aren't they? Why can some people overcome adversities, and other's just sit around and wait for all of the handouts? "

kermit the frog wrote on Jun 10, 2009 5:03 PM:

" Oracle, you're awesome! Some welfare workers should be posted in grocery stores to catch the beer trolly people. Ridiculous. I don't mind lending a helping hand to desperate people who really need temporary help, but no way should we support people who have resources. I don't know what the answer is, but insuring all of California's needy children at little to no cost to families is also ridiculous. It wasn't like that when I grew up. Things change, but nothing should be free to some but not others. "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 10, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Wow!

nicky23 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 12:20 PM:
"First of all, alot of what I read is unbelieveable that our state is getting worse and worse."

What is unbelieveable is that someone is so naive as to NOT believe that CA. is going down the tubes! "

The Oracle wrote on Jun 10, 2009 6:45 PM:

" The question is asked by "bewilderd", "what kind of person hopes CA implodes?" The answer is... those of us who are sick and tired of paying for full ride welfare benefits to those who are not citizens of this country, while we watch our state head into bankruptcy, all the while the state RFUSES to cut any social programs. This because these same recipients are a huge voting block for the liberal base...Or is it tens of millions to save the whales/sea otters/snowy plovers, flavor of the day, et al..or is it our man made drought caused by whack job environmentalists, turning our entire westside into the next dustbowl..I can keep going but I wont have the room. This lunacy has to stop and will when we absolutely go broke, but not until then. Thats why I HOPE we implode..then start over with hopefully some sane budgeting. You cannot raise taxes every 6 months. But they still dont get it. We just voted down tax increases and yesterday the Dems want to RAISE taxes to solve this budget...Just flat clueless to real life. "

keli wrote on Jun 10, 2009 7:02 PM:

" What the state needs to do is this, MediCal will only pay for one(1) baby,no if's and's or but's.When you want another baby you can't pay tuff,no MediCal.No medical for illegal imagrants to have babies,I know the Fed.Gov. say's we have to provide emergency medical services,women know there having a baby so thats not an emergency.I had 5 kids (3 of them I paid for) 2 with insurance.If women know they have to pay for these kids and won't get any money for them,maybe they will be more responsible.I never had any welfare, MediCal,food stamps,wic, etc.My husband and I worked hard and didn't expect anyone else to pay for our decision to have lot's of kids. "

nicky23 wrote on Jun 11, 2009 12:03 PM:

" Alihandero wrote on Jun 10, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Wow! What is unbelieveable is that someone is so naive as to NOT believe that CA. is going down the tubes! "

For your information, its not that I'm being NAIVE as for SOME people, its just such a sad sight to see. Where I work, on a daily basis I see the affect that the budget crisis has taken on families on a daily basis and its heart breaking. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 11, 2009 6:59 PM:

" nicky23 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 12:20 PM:

Personally, I would rather pay $2 for a tomato and know that it was picked by a citizen, than pay $1 something a pound for them. As for who would do that hard work you are talking about? Just about every nationality you see in this town has ancestors that have or they have done it theirselves. To say that no one will do it, is inane and ridiculously naive. To say that they don't get vacation, insurance and so forth is nothing new. There are still employers today in many industries who do not pay vacation or benefits to their employees. It isn't just the farmers, this non insurance and benefit thing started with the banks years ago. They took the majority of their employees to part-time so they wouldn't have to pay benefits. Then many businesse including fast food followed suit. The farming community doesn't have a monopoly and not providing benefits or insurance. Furthermore, many people, worked worse jobs, before they advanced to where they are today. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 11, 2009 9:22 PM:

" To: Alihandero wrote on Jun 10, 2009 5:19 PM:

Please, pray tell, explain to these people that fruits and vegetables all over the San Joaquin Valley, were shipped from coast to coast by rail. Long before the Bracero program and much longer than before illegal immigrants, started picking them. It's like the Illegal Immigrants came in with the first crop of tomatoes on the Westside of the Valley. When in reality, Huron was the Cantaloupe Capitol of the world. Most of the other farmers around here were growing cotton that had to be picked by hand, a much more labor intensive program than citrus or other vegetables. It was back breaking work from sun up to sun down, and everyone involved, were darn glad to have the job. There were no mechanized cotton pickers, back then, that ended an era of manual labor for good. But before the mechanized machines the Cotton Gin's were just as busy and probably even more so, because more farmers grew cotton. There was more than one family, who traveled during the "dust bowl era", who ended up camped beneath a Walnut Grove. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 12, 2009 7:27 PM:

" To: nicky23 wrote on Jun 10, 2009 12:20 PM:

You want unbelieveable, here goes: When I grew up we had two for a penny candy, 25 cent mantinee tickets at the Fox Theater, 5 cent soda in 16 oz. bottles, instead 12 of cans, 25 cent burgers and 15 cent fries at the Golden Arches. You could order a grinder, hoagie, submarine or torpedo sandwich and they were all the same with different names for a whole lot less money. White Castle Hamburger use to sell a six pack of slammers for a buck. You could buy the biggest milkshake you know where, for a buck and a quarter. A large banana split was $1.50 Kim's Drive Inn is where all the teenagers hung out, Foster Freeze in Hanford, had the coldest ice cream covered in chocolate, you ever put in your mouth. Policeman actually walked a beat, carried night sticks, but seldom had to use them, they still had the old telephone on a pole, like you see in the old, old movies. The streets in Hanford were better maintained than they are today. Unbelieveable! "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 PM:

" And this too, Watchdog:

The cheapest gasoline I recall buying was $0.19 (nineteen cents) a gallon on the east coast ("Good Gulf" brand which is/was regular grade).

Oh, the memories . . . and now the pain . . . "

manuel wrote on Jun 15, 2009 7:05 PM:

" Nothome Grown you should be thankful you have a job or other income to be able to pay your bills and buy whatever you want and be able to sit an criticize the poor, do you think that its just as you say the aliens, that are on welfare, well you better look again as you reach for your wallet to pay for your food "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 16, 2009 11:29 AM:

" To: Alihandero wrote on Jun 15, 2009 3:51 PM

Well when I bought my first car and started driving at 16 years old gas was 29.9 cents a gallon in Hanford for regular. I've been driving for more than four decades, wow! Hadn't even thought of that until right now. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 16, 2009 12:40 PM:

" to manuel, here we go again, the moderator didn't post my reponse. First I never said anything about illegals, I am against welfare as a whole, it no longer does what it was designed for. I am for helping someone get out of the rut, not for leaving them there and throwing away money. Welfare should have strings attached to it, you should either have to attend a trade school to give you skills to work, or actually do some sort of work and be paid for that. Even if it is just cleaning up the sides of the highway, it should be win-win. The person feels better because they have "earned" the money, and we get better looking scenery. But instead the money is just handed out and too many abuse it.
You don't have to tell me to be thankful that I have a job, I am every day and give thanks to God for it. But I don't make enough to get everything that I want, else I would shop at SaveMart. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 17, 2009 11:00 PM:

" To: NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 16, 2009 12:40 PM:

I totally agree with you, Welfare should not be a career, it should be temporary help. People should be trained, working doing anything to help them take pride in theirselves.
Secondly, I think that would be an extreme motivator, if people knew they had to work anyway, they would be hustling to get better jobs. Not stay at the Welfare rate for their entire lives. As long as they had to be productive they would want to get paid a higher wage. Now they just vegetate, sell drugs on the side for cash, hook, or do whatever to scam the system and collect the benefits. I think for every Welfare Worker we should have two/three Welfare Investigators, to crack down on the fraud. I also agree with a former poster/blogger who stated pay for one child and that is it. You have more you pay for them, period end of discussion. If you are a baby having babies you better locate good childcare and find two jobs. "

opinion x wrote on Jun 20, 2009 2:59 PM:

" It seems like most people like the idea of eliminating services for those who are less fortunate than us. I understand that the state is in crisis, however this “solution” oppress those who are the most vulnerable. We’ll see if you are pleased with higher crime rates in your community as a result. Ignoring the problem won’t make it go away. "




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