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Dairy farmers ponder production cut

In the latest industry attempt to boost plunging prices, several of the major milk producer cooperatives in California gathered recently in Visalia to discuss cutting production.

Friday's meeting in Visalia was the latest in a series of attempts to bring prices back to a sustainable level.

Those at the meeting included Land O'Lakes, California Dairies Incorporated, Dairy Farmers of America, Security Milk Producers Association and the National Farmers Organization. Together, the co-ops account for most of the milk produced in California and a significant chunk of the national supply.

The dairy industry has been struggling for months with high feed prices, plunging demand at home and abroad and prices that are 50 percent lower than a year ago. According to dairy economists, even a slight percentage drop in supply could drive wholesale prices high enough to get producers back to the break-even point.

However, no detailed plan has been worked out.

The co-ops needed to verify that a 5 percent cut is workable, according to Donald Vander Poel, a director at Security. There was concern about having enough supply to meeting existing contracts for dairy products, according to Glenn Wallace, CEO of Dairy Farmers of America.

"It's not something that can just be done overnight," Wallace said.

Some hailed the fact that the co-ops were talking to each other as a sign of progress.

"It was a successful day because nobody left the meeting mad at each other," Vander Poel said.

Meanwhile, a separate program to cut milk supply by eliminating cows continues.

A national producer-funded organization called Cooperatives Working Together is running a herd buyout program that sends dairy cows to slaughter. The current round will eliminate 103,000 cows nationwide, according to Michael Marsh, CEO of Western United Dairymen.

Dairymen participate in the program by submitting bids to sell their herds to slaughter. Theoretically, they should get more than the market value for cows because Cooperatives Working Together offers a subsidy.

However, the buyout has failed to get enough participation to boost milk prices, Marsh said.

Many producers figured that taking part in the buyout wouldn't give them enough money to pay off their debts, according to Marsh.

"Folks would have been selling the farm and would still have been left upside down," he said.

Western United Dairymen on Friday called for a second round of herd buyouts, with bids to be received immediately, Marsh said.

"We're still of the opinion that if we can lay off some more cows, we're going to turn the corner," he said.

June 9, 2009

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Alihandero wrote on Jun 9, 2009 3:35 PM:

" Wow!

"In the latest industry attempt to boost plunging prices, several of the major milk producer cooperatives in California gathered recently in Visalia to discuss cutting production."

Control the market...setting prices...sounds like our own little version of the OPEC oil cartel...

So much for free markets regulating prices, folks. "

Deb wrote on Jun 9, 2009 6:53 PM:

" I've certainly cut down on dairy purchases from our grocery shopping trips. As with everything, there's a price point that's either acceptable to the consumer and dairy from this consumer's view has been excessively high over the last few years. It's almost like gas pricing - has highs and lows but for the most part remains stable.

The statement that prices are 50% lower than last year seems wrong. But, heck, what do I know other than my dairy purchases are trimmed back to a level that fits my budget - which is the same as it was 2 years ago.

And, Alihandero - the ag and dairy industry are not a part of the free market - ag and dairy are both subsidized in one way or another . Here's a story about a current subsidy http://www.flex-news-food.com/pages/23848/Dairy/European-Union/Milk/USA/us-subsidizes-dairy-exports-blames-eu-action.html "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 12, 2009 8:50 AM:

" To: Alihandero wrote on Jun 9, 2009 3:35 PM:

The Dairy Industry is kind of unique, you see you have dairymen who raise cows and milk them and sell the milk to the cooperatives or manufacturers. Then you have manufacturers who seriously upcharge the cost of milk to the retailer, who again upcharges his profit on milk. So we never see milk go down much, only up. Here is a well known secret in the dairy production industry say milk goes up 20 cents per gallon, then it falls back 10 cents a gallon. The producers traditionally hang on to 5 cents of the 10 cent reduction to up their profits. 5 Cents doesn't seem like much but when you produce 50,000,000 gallons of milk, it can be a tidy sum. Nationally, now Dean Foods and maybe two other companies produce and manufacture the largest percent of milk. Milk is subsidized and supposedly monitored by the California Milk Advisor Board. But there are ways around everything if you are clever enough and most milk producers and manufacturers are that smart. But the sad part is the farmer/dairymen gets the shaft. "

Deb wrote on Jun 12, 2009 2:08 PM:

" Hey watchdog - I was born and raised in Northern California - where some electricity is created. Any how - could you answer me this question? Why does everyone refer to the owners of dairies as "rich dairy men" in this area ??? This is a legitimate question from someone not born nor raised in this area? What exactly does getting the shaft mean to dairy owners?

Just truly curious... "

Bobb wrote on Jun 12, 2009 3:24 PM:

" The Dairy case, eggs milk, butter, etc. is the most profitable area in a grocery store. Butter is selling at just over $1.00 per pound at the processor level. I buy from my old coop as when you retire you retain your right to purchase from them at cost of production. The mark-up is unbelievable. When I was a producer I asked at a meeting why the processor didn't demand the store limit their profit. The answer; they would tell those who questioned their, the stores, pricing policies to find another retailer. Shop around, a few creameries make all of the different brands of butter and cheese. Shop the house brands and save. "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 12, 2009 3:42 PM:

" Well Deb,

Sorry to correct you again, but this article is about LOCAL/REGIONAL dairy farmers.

I went to your online reference which is from a European Source - Reuters - describing about a FOREIGN U.S. subsidy use FOR THE FIRST TIME IN FIVE YEARS:

(quote)

"The U.S. Agriculture Department said it will subsidize about 92,000 tonnes of dairy products headed for the world market to help U.S. farmers hit by plunging international prices and trade volumes, the first time in five years it will use its subsidy program, a spokeswoman said."

As for your "rich dairymen" blanket statement you claim is commonly used, I googled the term and got this: Results 1 - 20 of 20 English pages for "rich dairymen." (0.25 seconds). Only 20 on the entire Internet! You were the only person I recall using the term "rich dairymen" here locally or anywhere else for that matter.

I just thought the facts are important this time around.

Silly me. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 12, 2009 6:26 PM:

" To: Deb wrote on Jun 12, 2009 2:08 PM

Well since I've been on both sides of the fence, and you probably weren't paying attention. A farmer sells his milk to a bid by the producer, let's say 50 cents a gallon, after cost of production, the producer wholesales that milk for $2.00 per gallon, now who is getting shafted. Do you think milking equipment, hay, grain and other feed is cheaper than storage tanks and pasturizers? Some producers/distributors in Southern California, rebate by check, to wholesale buyers based upon volume of sales, on products that are subsidized, that isn't legal. I know of one organization who didn't want to violate this practice. So instead they would bill a customer for a pallet of gallon size of fruit drinks, then two weeks later give them a credit on the entire pallet. The invesitgative authority, only looks at the milk and dairy sales, not the fruit drink or water sales. But now maybe they will look at all sales and credits. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 12, 2009 6:37 PM:

" Alihandero, here is one for you, you give a rebate based on total sales for every 28 days and cut 12 checks a year to the customer. The customer not realizing if you multiply 28X12 and subtract it, from 365 days, there is a month period they do not get rebated. That goes in the company till as extra profits. When working in certain parts of the state and country you see all the tricks. Just like, the case useage fee, dairies used that forever. But the evil grocer went out and swiped cases stored outside other stores, took them back to their own stores, turned them in for a buck a piece. The other stores got charged a buck a piece for the missing cases. No one was the wiser, unless you had a smart branch manager who kept track of how many went in an account and how many came back out. Busted more than one grocer, on this game personally. I wasn't a smart cookie, but I wasn't a dumb nut either. One blog without you know who in it, hope Deb and Big John are happy? "

Deb wrote on Jun 13, 2009 1:40 AM:

" Gee thanks for your genuine feelings and honesty, dare I say, wisdom, Alihandero. Show's exactly the type of guy you are.

Results 1 - 10 of about 2,130,000 for rich dairy man. (0.35 seconds)

Results 1 - 10 of about 67,400 for rich dairyman. (0.15 seconds)

and, the most popular:
Results 1 - 10 of about 3,090,000 for rich dairy farmer. (0.26 seconds)

And, that's on the whole internet - it's commonly used around here whether you admit it or not. Whether or not it's true - well only the dairy men know that answer...
Maybe you didn't have your glasses on? "

Deb wrote on Jun 13, 2009 1:30 PM:

" Watchdog - thanks for your attempt to do some explaining - as I mentioned, I only know dairy from the consumer standpoint.

Certainly there are many steps in the middle - dairies don't want to sell directly to the public... Someone's got to make money somewhere along the line. I'm not against that aspect. In any biz there's a cutting of production especially when it comes to a product that is time sensitive when demand drops. But it's difficult to drop production on something that's always producing (i.e. cows) -

Guess I'll go read about the price support mechanisms in the 2008 Farm Bill. I'm guessing price supports are a subsidy... but do they go directly to the diary or to the middle people. .

So much information, so little time to consume it all. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 13, 2009 2:15 PM:

" To: Deb wrote on Jun 13, 2009 1:30 PM:

In all honesty my experience in the dairy milking end isn't that recent. When we operated a dairy, most cows in the beginning were milked by hand. Instead of these tankers showing up to pump your milk. You had to poor it into large steel milk cans which then were hand loaded on smaller trucks. My dad would stand on the ground and sling the filled milk cans up to the milk pick-up driver and he would load them on to the truck. Also, most of our feed we grew in an alfalfa field leased next to the property we lived on. But we were a self-sustaining farming unit not just a dairy barn. We raised a number of stock and animals which supported our food needs. We grew our own vegetables, our purchases at the store were somewhat limited, based upon our demand. I remember my dad even bartering way back then for services he needed connected to the dairy. Amazing what a couple of chickens or a pig could buy you back then. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 13, 2009 2:22 PM:

" To: Deb wrote on Jun 13, 2009 1:30 PM:

I almost felt a cultural shock when all the large fans began appearing at the dairies. Something we could have used for sure back in the day. I still remember my dad wiping perspiration from his brow, as he moved from cow to cow with a three legged stool, using a set of leg chains to harness their legs so they wouldn't kick him. Then the progession to milk machines, then it was a matter of hosing down the teets and slapping on the suction nipples on the milking machines. That's when the conversion to tanker trucks arrived as the Production facility helped pay for stainless steel vats, to store the milk in until they arrived. Now everything is so automated and figured down to GPS points and gallons per cow. Pickup times are coordinated to the arrival times of the tankers and the starting time of the milking and the addition of larger capacity storage tanks. Now instead of milking a hundred cows they milk thousands in a shorter period of time. A lot less labor intensive. "

Deb wrote on Jun 14, 2009 10:41 AM:

" Great history lesson on dairy farms, Watchdog. Thank you. My son's school went on an outing last year to a dairy outside of Corcoran and I too went - It was interesting - we walked the entire dairy. I was truly shocked to see just how automated the entire milking process. I had only what you describe as a benchmark in my mind and of course TV shows.

Again, thanks, Watchdog. "

Bobb wrote on Jun 14, 2009 12:16 PM:

" Fred; You must be a little older than I. I remember the old Surge buckets with the strap over the cows back to support the weight of the bucket and the milk in it. they were vacuum activated. When the bucket was full or the cow milked out it was poured into a five gallon stainless steel bucket to be carried to the strainer. As a kid they were pretty heavy. After the strainer the mild ran over a plate cooler which had water running through it to cool it and into a galvanized milk can. Those would be loaded onto the old Ford flatbed, this baby had a flat head V8 and taken to the creamery. It was a double deck er that my Dad had built the racks for. > "

Bobb wrote on Jun 14, 2009 12:24 PM:

" Fred; continued; When we got to the creamery they were off loaded and the cleaned cans came down a ramp from the second story where the had been steam cleaned. As kids we loved to go to the top and slide down the rollers that the cans came down on. It was amazing living through the technological change from the old Grade B dairies to the modern milking system where the milk is never exposed to outside elements. Our Fathers and Grandfathers lived the "good old days" and I am sure they would never want to go back to the "old ways" considering the hard labor intensive work. As to the surplus, ban rBST as consumers don't trust it. > "

Bobb wrote on Jun 14, 2009 12:32 PM:

" Fred; continued; rBST is controversial at best. Most manufacturers in the fresh market do not want it as it has a lot of consumer backlash. The consumer is the final market and you better give than what they want or you lose market share. Richard Shahady of Producers Dairy has, or had as I am not sure if he remains in that market, the San Francisco schools. They demanded rBST free milk and he was smart enough to give them the guarantee as it was a large account. I could go on forever here bu;t the bottom line is, give the consumer what they want". Banning rBST would drop production 5% to 8% which is just about what the overproduction is. > "

Bobb wrote on Jun 14, 2009 12:43 PM:

" Fred; continued; When I retired about five years ago and sold the dairy a 3% change in supply would dictate a National surplus or shortage. That is not much of a change but nation wide it is a lot of product. After three generations of this business, it has become a corporate large scale type of operations. Most of that has to do with Government requirements, red tape, regulations, etc. that have dictated that you need to be a very large operator to handle all of the costs associated with staying in compliance with these mandates. The "family" type operation cannot survive unless they spend million to grow to the size to accommodate these requirements. You will see the smaller family type operation disapper first. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 14, 2009 3:44 PM:

" To: Bobb wrote on Jun 14, 2009 12:43 PM:

As you predict the little family operation can't survive, no more than the mom and pop producer distribtution plants did either. I watched that happen in Southern California, when Knudsen went bankrupt in its' dairy production divisions. It was but up first by what was called Santee Dairies, then that was gobbled up by what is now Stater Brothers Markets. Alta Dena Dairy and Berkeley Farms Dairy was purchased by Dean Foods a large corporate owner of dairies from the east to the west coast. Just look them up in your computer and you will see they swallowed not only the little competitor but companies like Borden, back east. I guess Producers and Foster Farms, Hollandia Dairy and possibly a few small hold outs throughout the state, are all that exist as family run organizations any longer. You'll soon see the dairies fall the same way, it's about the best organized monopoly, I've ever witnessed. Pretty soon they won't have to be charged for fixing prices, there will only be one price, HIGH! Thanks for the memories Bobb!!! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 14, 2009 3:50 PM:

" To: Deb wrote on Jun 14, 2009 10:41 AM:

You are most welcome Deb, one thing I enjoy about our paper and this blog, is the opportunity to impart knowledge back and forth and to learn new things even if they are about old subjects. I think that this serves a real major part of the population here in town and avails people to discuss and reason things that other settings don't offer. I would like to thank the Hanford Sentinel and their staff for the time they take to moderate and print this discussional entertainment source. It is a tribute to this community and it's ability to still have that small town feel, even though it is growing and has grown over the past two or three decades.

But my short response is you are welcome and anytime I can offer what little experience I've had, will absolutely be elated to do so. I think more people should explore and visit production facilities of varying kind, when ever the opportunity presents, it is very educational and a lot of fun to boot. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 14, 2009 10:34 PM:

" Fred, those 'leg irons' are called 'hobbles'.
We milked 500 head in So Cal and every now and then we would have 'bakery waste' delivered ala 'green feed' trucks. Old pies, cookies, cakes etc etc ! Sometimes, old potatoe chips.Kids will eat ANYTHING! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 15, 2009 2:31 PM:

" To: Dandre wrote on Jun 14, 2009 10:34 PM:

We milked 500 head in So Cal

Well, I would bet someone might have milked 501! "

Bobb wrote on Jun 15, 2009 5:16 PM:

" Dandre; I remember the hobbles. I got kicked more trying to put them on than just taking my chances and milking the cow. You could also use a rope around the body in front of the hips. In later years we has clamps that went around the body in front of the hips that would close around the front part of the legs to keep the cow from kicking the machine off. The last 10 of so years before retirement we installed ratcheting dividers in our barn. They eliminated getting kicked and you didn't need to attach anything to the cow. Progress, get your butt kicked enough and someone will come up with a better idea. It is called innovation. "

manuel wrote on Jun 15, 2009 7:25 PM:

" what so hard to figure out, if the dairymen would by pass the middle man it would put more money in his pocket, its like the gas price, the price of crude is not that high, its the refineries that hold back till they get the price up "

Bobb wrote on Jun 15, 2009 8:34 PM:

" manuel; Most of the independent processors are gone, such as Knudson, Safeway, ET AL. The processing is owned by the dairymen through coops. An individual dairy cannot, for the most part with exceptions such as Gallo, afford to build a complete processing facility. There are some, such as Fegundes Cheese that produce specialty products but the bulk of their production goes to the coop also. I had to "buy in" to my coop over several years to attain my interest in the facility. They hold out retains for operation and the excess is paid at the end of the year as a bonus. Upon retirement, they buy back your investment over several years. I a dairyman increases production they must pay additional funds for more interest in the coop. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 16, 2009 1:04 AM:

" We were members of United Dairymen in So Cal, and shipped to Challenge. Our 'Shpping rights' were sold 'per head' when we sold the dairy rather than move out of Orange County.
My family traded milk a weekly with Walter Knott for boysenberries when he had a simple berry stand.
We also leased fields of 'green feed' (alfalfa) next door to 'T-Tiny-Texas' and his other 'wrestlin' mountainman of a brother, Haystack Calhoun.
When I was about 5 or 6 my aunt and uncle visiting from up here in the valley, had gone to Disneyland and brought back a Davey Crockett 'coonskin cap' and a leather fringed jacket.
All excited, i put on the jacket and ran out to show my dad my new jacket as he was milking the P.M. shift. Within 5 min...standing behind a cow, if she coughs at the wrong time, let's put it this way, my mom could never get that big 'green' stain out of that jacket, like getting hit in the chest with a 'cow pie' shot out of a cannon..one of those mistakes you only make ONCE....traumatic
AAAAh, the good old days.... "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 16, 2009 9:45 AM:

" To: Bobb wrote on Jun 15, 2009 5:16 PM:

What are hobbles/leggings called in Portugal, Holland, Switzerland and elsewhere around the world in all the European countries, do you know? "

Dandre wrote on Jun 16, 2009 12:24 PM:

" fred, Their called the GOP...... "

Bobb wrote on Jun 16, 2009 4:11 PM:

" Fred; I called them a pain in the a _ _. I would tell my dad to beef the "kickers" but alas, they were usually very good producers. I have heard them called shackles, leg irons, hobbles, straps and about everything else. It just depended on what nationality or how the person using them came to know their name. Hobbles was the most common when I was a kid. Dandre, I sure know what you mean about the "green chop" bullets. You get hit once and you become pretty cautious during the "green chop" season. As to your answer to Fred, wake up guys, it is both MAJOR political parties putting the screws to it's citizens. Bring in some new, " no political experience needed" people. Do I hear alternate parties? "

ElDorado wrote on Jun 16, 2009 9:17 PM:

" I had to chime on the "rich dairymen".....Dairy/farm owners aren't fooling anyone. Just drive down 43 or Grangeville and see the private lakes and 3500 sqft mansions with 40" toy haulers for hauling "farm equipment" to Pismo every weekend. Times were good, no doubt. Now buckle down like the rest of us and quit whining. End of Story. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 16, 2009 9:58 PM:

" To: ElDorado wrote on Jun 16, 2009 9:17 PM:

You presume a lot in your visions of the rich dairy man. Yes the quads and the rv's may be there, but how often do they really get to use them. When they have a herd that needs feeding and milking a minimum of twice a day. Then planting of alfalfa, deliveries of hay, grain and yes even corn feed must be received and dealt with and stored out of the weather and be there when they are needed. Then there are the shots and whatever else the herd may have to have for a sickness. Yes animals, just like humans get sick and need some anti-biotics from time to time.
But before your jealousy gets the best of you look at the mountains of manure stacked up where they've cleaned the holding pins and corrals. Although automation has helped it doesn't take over everything, including business decisions that need to be made everyday, by someone here at the dairy not frolicing on Pismo or out in the Oceano Dunes. They work 16 hours at a stretch, seven days a week. "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Jun 16, 2009 10:56 PM:

" El Dorado- there are dairymen with big loans and dairyman without big loans. They are two different types of dairyman. "

ElDorado wrote on Jun 17, 2009 1:34 PM:

" Fred:

Not that I wanted to continue this, but I can’t help it. No jealousy here. I grew up on a very “profitable” cattle ranch in NE CA and know first hand how hard the work is (That’s why I don’t live there anymore!). I just don’t buy off on the complaints. That’s all. "




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