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Stop the nonsense

Editor: I just read Sherill Calhoun's letter to the editor regarding President Obama's birth certificate. At first I laughed, but then as I thought about it more and more, I became more and more disgusted.

When it became apparent last year that then-Sen. Obama was going to be the Democratic Party nominee for president, we have been hearing that he is either a Muslim, or that he hung around with terrorists. We even heard he was born in Kenya and therefore could not legally become president.

Please stop the nonsense! People from the ultra-conservative Web site, The National Review, went to Hawaii and verified that President Obama's birth certificate was legitimate. I am sure that Mrs. Calhoun already knew that and was only trying to stir up trouble by suggesting that our president is only a charismatic impostor with his own personal agenda for America.

For the past eight years I kept hearing that if you don't support the president during times of war (please don't forget there are still two wars going on) you are un-American or unpatriotic. Does that still apply? Or does it only apply if there is a Republican in office? Stop the nonsense; let's debate real issues that affect our daily lives not fight over issues that are only there to distract us and tear us apart.

Joshua Golden

Hanford

(June 19, 2009)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

BJMallory wrote on Jun 19, 2009 1:00 PM:

" Nicely said, Joshua!! During GWB's presidency, I was accused of being un-patriotic and/or un-American by some of W's supporters because I did not support his policies nor did I support the war in Iraq. For the very reason you wrote in your letter: because we were at war, my accusers felt I should support the President no matter how I felt or believed. I'm not totally happy with President Obama's policies so far, even though I voted for him. I'm VERY tired of hearing I drank the Obamade, among other lame attempts at snide humor by certain people. I'd rather admit to being taken in by a man who can speak intelligently than being taken in by a phony Texas accent and a smirk. And because I know people are going to go there, so WHAT if he's reading a teleprompter? My president can READ. That's one more skill he has over his predecessor. Unless you count "The Pet Goat." "

kitty on the keyboard wrote on Jun 19, 2009 2:42 PM:

" Amen! Thanks Joshua "

SJT wrote on Jun 19, 2009 4:15 PM:

" A very courageous act on your part to write this letter, Mr. Golden. The Sherill Calhouns among us will not get away with their blatant lies and smears as long as good men like you come to the aid of their country by speaking out like you have here.

Thank you, Sir. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 20, 2009 1:36 AM:

" Exactly "

jethro wrote on Jun 21, 2009 5:03 PM:

" The thing I find hilarious about this topic and the liberals, is they feel anything printed outside of the mainstream media (which is 100% liberal bias) is radical or right wing. If Obama is hiding something, do you think the (NY / LA) Times or any of the main TV stations would break the story? What makes Limbaugh or O'Reilly radicals...? It's because they dont follow suit with the rest of the liberal media, plain and simple. The main stream media is as slanted and corrupt as any other media source... to think other wise is foolish! Fox News and some of the other sources are no more radical than CNN or ABC... they just point out a more traditional point of view, which is different than today's liberal media's agenda. "

JoshuaG wrote on Jun 21, 2009 7:45 PM:

" Jethro,

I think that you may have missed the point of my letter. I wasn't attacking anyone on the right or saying that everyone on the left is correct. My point was that we all allow ourselves to be distracted by these stories that have nothing to do with what our country is going through. People on the right have been using fear, and certain buzz words like socialism or facism, while those on the left attack people like Rush or Hannity saying that they are the problem. Granted I feel that they have a little to do with problems in our country such as not telling the whole story about many issues and using fear to get there point across. I also feel that the left is guilty of the same thing at times. What I wanted to get across with my letter is that we need to stop and take a step back, take a deep breath and really think about the issues that affect our daily lives. We have 2 wars, an economy on the brink among other things, and people are still trying to distract us with nonsense. "

KC Resident wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:35 PM:

" I personally believe that the problem is not about right wing/left wing party line agendas as much as it is about OUR own individual responsibility to stand up for ourselves. We have allowed politicians to think for us and what has happened is they have become self-serving and very corrupt. I used to think that I was doing the right thing by going to the polls to vote for the candidate that best represented my views, but learned that like a chameleon their loyalty soon changed once they were elected. The government is out of control! I believe what the point of Calhoun's comments boils down to is a double standard regarding what elected officials tell us is law and what law they live by..."do as I say, not as I do". We need leadership that has some integrity! "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 21, 2009 11:25 PM:

" To Mr. Joshua Golden who had the courage to write this:

"Stop the nonsense; let's debate real issues that affect our daily lives not fight over issues that are only there to distract us and tear us apart."

Does that include Homosexual Marriage as a special human civil right in your list of nonsense "real issues", Mr. Golden?

What YOU consider a "real issue" may only be in YOUR mind, Sir! "

jethro wrote on Jun 21, 2009 11:28 PM:

" Joshua, I got your point... my first post was directed primarily toward those who posted responses to Sherill's article online. That thread is closed, and I responded here since you followed up on it. My point is many today call anyone who goes against mainstream a radical, even though, what is mainstream today would have been taboo fifty years ago. The conservatives have been tough on Obama, but no more than the liberals were on GWB. However, I feel if the main stream media would have been a little more fair and impartial with GWB, he wouldnt have been hated by so many, whom couldnt even tell you why they disliked W, except for the Iraq war. To go further, most of the same people couldnt tell you why we went to war with Iraq or who approved it. The main stream media is far left, and they guide those who wont take the time to educate themselves on any topic, from the President to laws of the land... and to me, that is scary! "

Dandre wrote on Jun 21, 2009 11:43 PM:

" exactly..... "

Concerned Resident wrote on Jun 21, 2009 11:47 PM:

" Joshua you are right on about nonsense issues. We have organizations creating a issue over the President killing a fly. we have people fighting over something a star said or did. we have people making a fuss over issues that should never be issues in the first place. Real issues like terrorism, the economy, the price of gas. yes the price of gas the oil companiesa re getting fat wallets of the american people but no one wants to say or do anything.
Lets stop the nonsense and get down to solving real and important issues. if we put the amount of energy and time spent on these pity issues and nit picking then we would have a great deal of problems resolved. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 22, 2009 7:56 AM:

" to JoshuaG; your letter is correct, and I am sure that people like Alihandero, WDF and myself agree with the principle of the letter. But already you have people saying things that they were call unpatriotic during Bush's term and now they want to turn the table on those that oppose Obama. I would say go ahead, but you must make sure that you stay true to yourself. First I am not against OUR president, but yes I do no approve of many of his positions. But I have that right. Now for all those liberals that called for Bush to be tried for war crimes, where are your chants for Obama to be tried also? Isn't he continuing the same things? Hasn't he ordered even more airstrikes on Pakistani soil? So where is your fairness? If one side does a crime, shouldn't the same thing be a crime for the other side? Yet I haven't seen a single right winger call for war crimes against Obama. "

KC Resident wrote on Jun 22, 2009 8:14 AM:

" To Concerned Resident:
How do you recommend WE get things resolved? Are you talking about politicians resolving things or taxpaying citizens?

To Alejandro: Right on...we all have our "opinions" about what is nonsense versus real issues.

To Jethro: Don't be so biased that you can't be objective. I was a Republican, but changed registration status because the party had become as blind to constitutional values as the Democratic party.

To JoshuaG: I hear what you are saying, but consider this from another person's point of view...if the issue that Calhoun talks about is true and neither you or she can confirm what the truth really is, how is having a guy who is not a legitimate citizen of the U.S. running our country NOT a major insult to our constitution and national security? "

Paul wrote on Jun 22, 2009 1:23 PM:

" NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 22, 2009 7:56 AM:

"where are your chants for Obama to be tried also? Isn't he continuing the same things? Hasn't he ordered even more airstrikes on Pakistani soil? So where is your fairness? If one side does a crime, shouldn't the same thing be a crime for the other side? Yet I haven't seen a single right winger call for war crimes against Obama. "

The difference between Obama and bush as relating to the war criminal thing nhg is that it was bush who STARTED the wars not Obama.

Afgan I can see and believe but I never could See WHY or BELIEVE Iraq. Many Americans were wrapped in 9/11 and bush saw that as the perfect chance to finish what his papi couldn't. "

JoshuaG wrote on Jun 22, 2009 3:46 PM:

" I do consider Gay Marriage as an issue that important. How can we say that we are a country where everyone has the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and then have different rules for different groups of people. I do however feel that the Gay marriage is used as a wedge to tear people apart. Just like saying "the radicals have taken over" and watch out your taxes are getting ready to go up amd up and up. Please remember that Reagan raised taxes, and so did Bush Sr. Issues that I was reffering to were were issues like our broken economy, our broken healthcare system, no water for the farmers on the west side, 2 wars etc... not things that people seem to pull out of thin air such as our president is not a citizen or if Gitmo is closed the terrorists are going to move right next door to us all, but of course because Obama is a good Dem he will make sure there are put right next to Republicans. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 22, 2009 9:17 PM:

" To: JoshuaG wrote on Jun 22, 2009 3:46 PM:

From a personal stand point, I am more concerned about North Kore and Iran than Afghanistan or Iraq. The Generals and troops are in place to deal with the latter two wars. But the first two could create a third and fourth battle front that I don't know if Obama or any President is capable of dealing with at this time. But having said that, we cannot and shouldn't let Iran or North Korea threaten us with an invention we first developed and the only nation to use against another in time of war. We perfected this awesome deatructive capability and harnessed it and improved upon it. We and Russia at one time had enough nuclear power aimed at one another to have destroyed the earth as we know it. Do the Iranians and North Korean's not realize with their limited quantity of weapons, our capability could blow them to kingdom come before they could launch a single missile? No they don't, because we don't have big weapons parades and pull all out newest systems out for all to see. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 22, 2009 9:22 PM:

" To: JoshuaG wrote on Jun 22, 2009 3:46 PM:

The capability of one of our single submarines armed with nuclear weapons use to scare Russia into backing off. Then they discovered the capability and the cold war went on for years.

I don't see that same restraint on the face of Mohamed or Kim, they are ready to test the waters and see just how far they can push. What we need to do is start shooting their missiles out of the sky on their territory when initially launched. Not set back and see how far they will fly, if they leave the launch site that is provocation enough to shoot it out of the sky. The UN sanctions are not going to stop them anymore than it did Saddam. When Obama learns to quit playing nice and talk straight to these people instead of around them, we will be a safer nation.

When a bully tries to scare everyone, what happens when someone in the crowd stands up to them. They usually don't expect it or know how to deal with it. . "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 22, 2009 9:28 PM:

" To: Alihandero, correct me if I am wrong but do we now here of more attacks and civilians killed in Pakistan than ever before. We have been accused more often under Obama's watch, of killing innocent civilians in Pakistan. Than ever under the watchful eye of George W. Bush.

I still haven't had my answer perhaps Joshua G. would be willing to take it on. Why has President Obama made two trips to the Middle East and not one time stopped in Isreal to reassure our allies we are still backing them. He traveled all that way to deliver a message to the Muslims and never said a word in the direction of Isreal. He must be the first United States President in history to do such a thing.

I thought his plan was to rally our allies, while making friends with our enemies. Not to make friends with our enemies and turn his back on our allies? Did I have his foreign policy wrong, or did he?

(Continued) "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 22, 2009 9:36 PM:

" To: Joshue G.

Say what you will about the wars being ongoing, but Obama said when he became President he was ending all wars and bringing our troops home.

Since taking office he has reversed his time tables on ending the war in Iraq at least three times. He now says he is taking troops from Iraq to Afghanistan. He blatantly broke his promise to rotate them home. Perhaps another tactic to get votes and then change his mind, after the fact?

The only thing that I know for certain is it is six months into the Mesiah's term and he is still allowing our soldiers, airmen and marines to die in Iraq and Afghanistan. So I see very little difference in the Great One, from the Right One!

Except that Bush would have won Iraq with honor and brought the troops out for good to a ticker tape parade and congratulations, you haven't seen since WWII.

Obama on the other hand is shipping them from one battle zone to another with little fan faire or acknowledgement. The only time he visits Iraq is for a photo op. "

SJT wrote on Jun 22, 2009 10:03 PM:

" What I find (not so) hilarious is the bogus notion that MSM is somehow “liberal”. Nothing could be further from the truth. News organizations all but admitted to falling asleep during the run-up to the Iraq invasion and beyond. MSM played the Bush cheerleader for nearly six years into his presidency until it became obvious they'd failed us, just like Bush failed us by lying to the American public, enabling the set-up to economic failure and borrowing trillions from China to pay for tax cuts for his base - the wealthy. While Saudi punks were taking flying lessons in Florida & Arizona (sans landings), MSM was preoccupied with following a Democratic California Congressman's every move to cover a titillating sex scandal. Turn on your radio today and listen to five conservative talk stations compared to... Well, there is no Liberal talk radio in our region (the national ratio is 91:9); Liberal media, my butt.

Indeed, maybe if news organizations would conduct more investigative reporting and fact-finding and less opinion peddling, we might not be the divided nation we’ve become. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 22, 2009 11:42 PM:

" For the life of me, I cannot understand how a letter from a concerned citizen asking a question, not even making a statement draws all this rhetoric? Sherill Calhoun asked if the rumor/stories were true, well in reality do we have an answer for her yet. Many still are out on this subject, many are convinced Obama is a citizen, while others have doubt. I think the reason they have doubt is no conclusive evidence of a Birth Certificate have been provided for Obama. If you look back through the files of Berth Certificates filed with the County of Record, originals, contain signatures of a Birth Doctor, foot prints of the baby, weight, hieght measurements, none of which has been provided concerning Obama's birth. You want the nonsense to stop, have the Obama administration present the real deal to the nation and everyone will shut up. All they have offered so far is a Certification of Live Birth, which is not a Birth Certificate. They are apples and oranges in documentation of a birth. There is forensic problems with the paper the COLB is written on, the paper/type wasn't even invented yet. "

vld82 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:46 AM:

" Obama's citizenship is a non-issue and a distraction. I appreciate our president's efforts to address most of the issues of the day but his approach loses the day to day focus needed for a successful resolution. This further increases inherent governmental inefficiencies and is resulting in record costs/deficits. It is difficult to see the long term benefits let alone any short term postive impact(s). However, this nation will survive his term too. "

Sid wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:21 AM:

" Joshua,

Something Watchdog mentioned has merit based on your comment,

"For the past eight years I kept hearing that if you don't support the president during times of war (please don't forget there are still two wars going on) you are un-American or unpatriotic."

I don't think you and our current President are on the same page here. It is no longer a "War on Terror" or any kind of "war" for that matter. The closest thing we got out of his administration is "overseas contingency operations", and little if any of that.

So how can anyone be "patriotic" as you allude here?

Yet as pointed out American are still getting killed and killing others (mostly but probably not all bad guys) overseas during these "contingency ops" on Obama's watch, yet it isn't a "war' is it?

Total clarity of purpose AND similar words to lead by are attributes that are challenging our current president. They fooled the likes of Code Pink/Cindi Sheehan to support him to end the war during his campaign and now they are silent that he hasn't done so as the media won't cover them anymore (Anti-Obama looking info). "

dose wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:36 AM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 22, 2009 11:42 PM:

"I think the reason they have doubt is no conclusive evidence of a Birth Certificate have been provided for Obama.e"

Wrong Fred, his birth certificate has been released. Just because you don't want to believe it doesn't make it any less true. "

hanfordian wrote on Jun 23, 2009 4:48 PM:

" Dude, Josh...

right on for having the cajones to call out what is clearly an inflammatory, no substance, get the reactionaries in a tizzy, letter to the editor. I know Sherill well..she's not dumb and she knows better.
This is part of the tea party throwing, conspiracy theoists right wing agenda, NONSENSE.

Kudos to you, bro! "

Concerned Resident wrote on Jun 23, 2009 6:40 PM:

" To KC Resident. I think we have seen what poititicians can do. I think that it is up to us the tax paying citizens to voice our opinion and stand up to the constant political nonsense that is constantly rainsing taxes Ignoring oil prices and take a stand. If we pu the same energy that we put into nonsense and focus it on the real and very important issues then we can make a difference. The politicians rely on us being devided in order to fulfil their own agenda while linign their pockets with special interest groups. It goes back to the old saying devided we f all united we stand. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:33 PM:

" To: Sherill Calhoun, I've never, ever seen a single letter to the editor garner so many responses. Could it be you triggered a knee jerk reaction from this community. You have the believers and the doubters so riled up, it may take months to settle them down.

I personally salute you for having the character to question government and our officials and if they are or are not entitled, to hold the office of President of the United States. Let the sides say what they will, but all I know is you are correct a certified Birth Certificate has still not been produced.

A couple of journalists for the democratic party make a trip abroad in one report. Then another claims the real document exists in Illinois and they have seen it as a 3 dementional document, it even has a seal on it and so on. Yet skeptics doubt the ink and paper it is printed with and upon. This may be one of those questions that is never answered to the full satisfaction of the American people. It could be, if Obama showed the document.. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 PM:

" Thanks for your letter, Joshua! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:33 PM:

" To: Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 PM:

" Thanks for your letter, Joshua! "

Don't you mean Thank You Sherill Calhoun, for being an honest citizen with an inquisitive mind who likes absorbing factual information? Not just taking the media's word for something, but inquiring to seek and gain knowledge of the facts in the case. "

manuel wrote on Jun 24, 2009 4:18 PM:

" NotHome Grown you mention that Obama should be tried for war grimes like bush, dont you remember bush started the war with Irag for no reason other than lies, and he did the same thing that was done in Iran on his second term, cheated the people by his brother Jeff not counting the votes in Florada, it pays to have kin in high positions "

katydid48 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 5:02 PM:

" Watchdog Fred;
Are you trying to tell others what they think?
Scott says " Thanks Joshua" and I say the same. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 24, 2009 5:28 PM:

" To: Scott Tucker wrote on Jun 23, 2009 9:20 PM:

Give me a holler scholar, I'm in the book. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 24, 2009 7:26 PM:

" To: katydid48 wrote on Jun 24, 2009 5:02 PM:

" Watchdog Fred;
Are you trying to tell others what they think?
Scott says " Thanks Joshua" and I say the same".

Quite the contrary, I am asking them not to be afraid to think, for themselves. Not to get on the Obama Merry Go Round and miss the facts to anything PBO does. It's a regular three ring circus between him, Pelosi and Reid. "

JoshuaG wrote on Jun 25, 2009 4:48 PM:

" Fred,

So, if I beleive Obama then I am not thinking for myself? We could say the same about you beleving GWB, or Hannity, or Beck, or Limbaugh. I don't agree with Pres. Obama on a few things, and just because I beleive that he is an American citizen that means I can't think for myself? That is flawed logic. "

Pete wrote on Jun 26, 2009 7:52 AM:

" Hey Manuel, what lies? Please point out the lies for us in Resolution 1441. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:50 AM:

" Hey Pete, you don't think the wmd thing was a lie?
Go read the 'letter' written by W to congress and the Downing St Memo and its 'follow up', for starters.
You better stick to your 'faith' because the 'evidence' that is revealed daily point to ONE conclusion and about 80% of Americans KNOW the answer.
That's why Obama 'trounced' the insanity that was on full display this week, as republicans sounded their 'bomb, bomb iran' lunacy.
THANK GOD, BARACK OBAMA IS OUR PRESIDENT!!!!! "

manuel wrote on Jun 26, 2009 1:11 PM:

" Pete The lies he told was that Irag had weapons of mass distruction, he fed these lies to the people, to scare them to believe Irag was going to use them on the u.s.a., to this day not one has been found, at the cost of thousand of american lives, you dont need Ressolution 1441 just open your eyes and read of how many weapons of mass distruction were found none "

Pete wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:29 AM:

" It takes a Village of Ignorant People to say there were no WMD's. They were there and that's a fact! "

SuziQ wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:41 AM:

" Just to educate some of you, in June 2006 the National Ground Intelligence Center reported " since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent". So don't fall for the lies of people who say there were no WMD's in Iraq. "

Skip wrote on Jun 27, 2009 8:48 AM:

" Hey Joshua, have you heard any "unpatriotic people" not supporting the wars now that Bush is gone? If you have, who are they? I say it still applies with Obama in office and it's the same people criticizing. Saying Obama is not tough enough with Iran is not criticizing the war. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 27, 2009 10:18 AM:

" Did you guys pass out tin-foil hats because your 'dittoheads' are showing........ "

manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:45 AM:

" Pete Where do you get your facts, from BUSH "

manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 11:10 AM:

" SuziQ All nations have some kind of mustard gas and munitions, even the usa, what Bush claimed they had was Atomic weapons, and the National Ground Intelligence Center to this day has not found a trace, so dont you fall for the lies the Bush administration put out, but it looks like you did "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 29, 2009 3:29 PM:

" Manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 11:10 AM:

A weapon of mass destruction (WMD) is a 1. weapon that can kill large numbers of humans and/or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere in general.
The term is often used to cover several weapon types, including nuclear, biological, chemical (NBC) and radiological weapons. Additional terms used in a military context include atomic, biological, and chemical warfare (ABC) and chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) warfare

Before you condemn someone’s definition, perhaps you should, actually look the word up in the dictionary? Just a suggestion!

Iraq had weapons of mass destruction in chemical form that they used to kill kurds, Iranians and their own Iraqi citizens. "

SuziQ wrote on Jun 29, 2009 6:13 PM:

" Sorry Manuel, you need to quit while you're behind on this one, there WERE WMD's and it's fact. Research it (google it) so you can learn. "

manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 6:40 PM:

" Whatchdog Why would it bother Bush so much of what kind of weapons he had, he was using them on his enemies not on ous, was it worth thousand of american lives to prove a point. what about all the other nations that have weapons of mass destruction, are we going to attack them to, wake up fred, who should we attack next korea, china, iran ect Bush did a good job of lieing he thought he was going to be a hero, worst president we have ever had "

manuel wrote on Jun 30, 2009 10:49 AM:

" SuziQ you sound like a hawk, are you ready to get a gun an attack some country for no reason other than they got weapons, or do you want other americans to die, like they are doing in iraq for no reason, if you go take Pete, Alihandero Whatchdog an any other republican that is foolish to go, I am a Veteran an will defend america as others have done before me "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 30, 2009 11:02 AM:

" to manuel,

glad you weren't in Riyadh when the scud missles came flying in. or Tel Aviv.

Yes Saddam did attack Americans with his weapons of mass destruction, fortunately we had some patriot missles in place that may have prevented more American deaths, and also fortunate that his scud missles didn't have the latest and greatest navigational hardware. "

jeff wrote on Jun 30, 2009 12:34 PM:

" Personally I have to side with the Conservatives and the Republicans on this one. I tend to stay away from fringe conspiracy theories myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soohikNdbWs

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/07/09/iraq/main562312.shtml

"The president's statement was based on the predicate of the yellow cake uranium from Niger, so given the fact that the report on the yellow cake did not turn out to be accurate, that is reflective of the president's broader statement." – Ari Fleischer Whitehouse Spokesperson under Bush. "

dose wrote on Jun 30, 2009 1:17 PM:

" I would love for Fred or NHG to show some type of proof of their assertion that Saddam had WMD's and that he used them to attack America, because as far as I can remember none of these things happened. "

manuel wrote on Jun 30, 2009 5:21 PM:

" NotHome Grown Yes Saddam did fire missles at Tel Aviv, but tell the real story, it was after it was attacked by Bush and his allies and they were not weapons of mass distruction, they were old scud missles that he fired at Isrrael, where did you get your information of americans getting killed by the scud missles "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 30, 2009 6:59 PM:

" to dose, ask all of the dead Iranians and Kurds that Saddam killed. He even used acid as a weapon of mass destruction on the Shites in the Southern swamp lands.

Since you didn't get to experience the scud alarms in Saudi and Israel, you can't say he didn't use weapons of mass destruction. Just the threat of having scud missles that could deliver WMD was enough justification. Of course you didn't go through the mass hysteria of having to don NBC gear hoping that you have it sealed properly so you don't die for some exotic chemical agent.

Why did one of Saddams cousins get executed with the nickname of Chemical Ali? "

dose wrote on Jun 30, 2009 9:36 PM:

" So basically NHG what you are telling me is that you have no proof of your claims. Thanks for playing, we have some lovely parting gifts for you. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jul 1, 2009 12:55 PM:

" to dose, how convinient of you to drop an "n". I have never stated that Saddam attacked America, but I did say that he attacked Americans. So please keep your statements straight.

Guess maybe you were too young to be watching CNN and all of their reporters in the Middle East scurrying to put on their NBC gear when the scud sirens went off.

And yes I have provided you with proof that Saddam had WMD. Why don't you research what he used to kill a whole village of Kurds? I guess that was just mass hypnosis, or maybe those Kurds had some sort of rare blood disorder that made them lay down and stop breathing?

Don't try to challenge me on the Middle East, as I have lived it, not read it. And it started before the FIRST storming of the American Embassy in Tehran, and yes I said FIRST, it is just that the second storming maid more news and had hostages involved. "

dose wrote on Jul 1, 2009 9:35 PM:

" Yes NHG he did have WMD's he did attack Americans but that was in the nineties when we went to war with him the first time. None of that is a reason as to why we are currently occupying Iraq. Saddam no longer possessed WMD's or the means to produce them in 2000. We have never found any WMD's in Iraq during our recent failed war over there. He had absolutely nothing to with 9/11 or Al Queda. None of you republicans have been able to come up with one single legitimate reason for bush's war. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 2, 2009 1:21 AM:

" To: dose wrote on Jul 1, 2009 9:35 PM

I have an assignment for ya, go to the army surplus store in Visalia. Buy a shovel, hoe and compus along with a metal detector, sleeping bag, tent, necessary MRE"s to last you until 2050 and travel over to Iraq. Once you get there you start metal detecting in the sand when you get a ping in the earphones start digging. Dig until you confirm what you are hearing isn't a WMD buried in the sand. Continue this mission until you find all the WMD's that were left behind, when you get done there go to Syria, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan and do the same thing. I don't think you need worry about running out of sand to investigate. When you get back to the states I'll expect a full reporting on what you found. No cheating now, you have to do a thorough inspection before you can declare them a WMD free zone. Complete with pictures and so forth. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 2, 2009 1:31 AM:

" To: dose, for a more comprehensive explanation what happened to Saddam's WMD, I suggest the following:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1852520/posts. "

manuel wrote on Jul 2, 2009 9:15 AM:

" Dose You are correct, they never did find any weapons of mass distruction, it was the lies that Bush told the people to get the usa to attack Iraq, but Nothome Grown says she was there and seen them, so who knows "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jul 2, 2009 9:27 AM:

" to dose, first I consider myself a Republican, and I have never said that Saddam was involved with 9/11.

Yes Saddam did still have the means to produce WMDs, all it takes is a few castor trees tor make chemicals like ricin.

Whenever we "the Republicans" quote the UN resolutions as justification, you don't want to accept that. Whether Saddam had any WMD readily available at the time that we invaded him is not justification for your blurts. He was in complete defiance of UN resolutions, so what if he was just faking it to hold Iran at bay. That was his problem, not ours. When you cry wolf too many times and have displayed that you will use WMD's what were we supposed to do?

I guess his occupation of Kuwait was totally okay with you?

Again I lived that entire scenario, while you lived here nice and comfy. "

dose wrote on Jul 2, 2009 1:18 PM:

" Fred:

I don't have to go to Iraq to look for WMD's the United States military already did that and guess what they didn't find any.

NHG:

Saddam did not have the means to produce chemical weapons or WMD's. Just because you say he did does not make it so. If you think I am wrong then by all means please show me some type of proof to back up your assertions. As for the U.N. resolution it means very little when you realize that it was based on faulty evidence supplied by bush in order to start an unnecessary war so he and his buddies could get rich.

I have no idea why you keep bringing up the invasion of Kuwait and the first war in Iraq. It has very little to do with our current conflict. Unless you are using it to highlight the difference between a war that was just and a war that is not just. "

Paul wrote on Jul 2, 2009 3:46 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 2, 2009 1:21 AM:

I have an assignment for ya, go to the army surplus store in Visalia. Buy a shovel, hoe and compus along with a metal detector, sleeping bag, tent, necessary MRE"s to last you until 2050 and travel over to Iraq. Once you get there you start metal detecting in the sand when you get a ping in the earphones start digging. Dig until you confirm what you are hearing isn't a WMD buried in the sand. Continue this mission until you find all the WMD's that were left behind, when you get done there go to Syria, Egypt, Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan and do the same thing.

And I have an Assignent for you wdf... GET REAL.

There were george bush Professionals who couldn't find them.

O, and the word is compass (not compus). "

Alihandero wrote on Jul 3, 2009 3:10 PM:

" Lets see, compus, compost, compass, Comcast...

Nope, the Liberal Progressive Dictionary says it's correctly the word used in the phrase:

"Non compos mentis"

Talk amongst yourselves... "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 3, 2009 3:51 PM:

" To: Paul wrote on Jul 2, 2009 3:46 PM:

Gee Paul I am sorry, I was in the navy we used sextants for navigation. Darn thing never failed the Skipper always got us from point a to point b,c,d,e,f,g and back again.

Oh and just so you know, I am Real just ask Jackie, she will tell ya? I am as real as real gets in modern day America, and I am Amerikan just like Governor Palin is Alaskin’. Oh did you hear she is resigning to get ready for the 2012 campaign. Lot’s of dinners to attend, sorry you won’t be gettin’ an invitation, she only want’s “Real Amerikan’s” at her dinners. The gal just might stand a chance of winning also, to.

If I ran this would be my campaign slogan: “You want to work you get rewarded, you want to sit you get spit.” Finally a campaign-promise with teeth in it, to prevent all those without teeth from gumming us to death.

Will Rogers said: “I never met a man I didn’t like,” but then they didn’t have Welfare back then. "

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