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Another View: Obama needs to change his stance on Iran

WASHINGTON -- President Obama's first response to the protests in Iran was silence, followed by a cautious, almost neutral stance designed to avoid "meddling" in Iranian affairs. I am reminded of Ronald Reagan's initially neutral response to the crisis following the Philippine election of 1986, and of George H.W. Bush's initially neutral response to the attempted coup against Mikhail Gorbachev in 1991. Both Reagan and Bush were able to abandon their mistaken neutrality in time to make a difference. It's not too late for Obama to do the same.

In 1986, Philippine President Ferdinand Marcos had called a snap election, calculating that a divided opposition would hand him a clear victory that would undercut pressure from the Reagan administration for broad-based reform. Instead, the opposition parties united behind Corazon Aquino, and only massive fraud could produce a "victory" for Marcos.

On Feb. 11, as the votes were still being counted, Reagan announced a neutral position, reminding Americans that it was a "Philippine election" and praising "the extraordinary enthusiasm of Filipinos for the democratic process." Rather than blame Marcos for the fraud, which he called "disturbing," Reagan said that there may have been fraud "on both sides."

At the time, I was working for Secretary of State George Shultz as assistant secretary of state for East Asian and Pacific affairs, and I shared Shultz's dismay at the president's comments. For more than two years, with the president's support, we had carefully pressed Marcos for reform. Reagan himself once cited Lord Acton's famous dictum, that "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely," while speaking of Marcos. Nevertheless Reagan's unfortunate comment about fraud on "both sides" threatened to put the United States on the wrong side at a critical moment.

Fortunately, Shultz managed to convince the president that he had made a serious mistake. On Feb. 15, the White House issued a new statement: "The elections were marred by widespread fraud and violence perpetrated largely by the ruling party." The following day, Marcos and Aquino each claimed victory. On Feb. 22, when Marcos ordered the arrest of two key reformers, as many as a million Filipinos poured into EDSA Square in Manila to block the arrests in a dramatic demonstration of "people power."

Reagan's final message to Marcos was delivered two days later, when the president's close friend, Sen. Paul Laxalt, warned that Reagan opposed any use of force against the crowds and urged him "to cut and cut clean." The next day, Marcos left the Philippines.

As an undersecretary of defense in George H.W. Bush's administration, I witnessed a replay of the Philippine scenario on Aug. 19, 1991, when reactionary forces in the Soviet Union attempted a coup against Soviet President Gorbachev and Russian President Boris Yeltsin. Bush was initially very cautious: uncertain about the facts and reluctant to interfere or to alienate a possible successor to Gorbachev.

Responding early that morning, the president refused to condemn the coup, calling it merely "a disturbing development." He expressed only lukewarm support for Gorbachev and even less for Yeltsin, and neither was among the world leaders that he tried to contact about the crisis. He seemed focused on working with the new Soviet team, hoping that their leader, Gennady Yanayev, was committed to "reform."

Although Defense Secretary Dick Cheney had argued consistently for the United States to support the peaceful aspirations of the Russians, Ukrainians and other Soviet peoples, it was Yeltsin -- with a powerful personal letter -- who persuaded Bush to abandon equivocation and oppose the coup. By late afternoon, the White House had reversed course, condemning the coup attempt as "misguided and illegitimate." Bush then called Yeltsin to assure him of his support.

No two situations are identical. But the reform the Iranian demonstrators seek is something that we should be supporting. In such a situation, the United States does not have a "no comment" option. Coming from America, silence is itself a comment -- a comment in support of those holding power and against those protesting the status quo.

It would be a cruel irony if, in an effort to avoid imposing democracy, the United States were to tip the scale toward dictators who impose their will on people struggling for freedom. And if we appear so desperate for negotiations that we will abandon those who support our principles, we weaken our own negotiating hand.

That does not mean that we need to pick sides in an Iranian election or claim to know its result. Obama could send a powerful message simply by placing his enormous personal prestige behind the peaceful conduct of the demonstrators and their demand for reform -- exactly the kind of peaceful, democratic change that he praised in his speech in Cairo.

Like the rest of the world, President Obama must have been surprised by the magnitude of the protests in Iran. Iranians are protesting not just election fraud but also the growing abuses of the Iranian people by a dictatorial regime. Now is not the time for the president to dig in to a neutral posture. It is time to change course.

Paul Wolfowitz, a visiting scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, was deputy secretary of defense from 2001 to 2005.

(June 20, 2009)

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Alihandero wrote on Jun 20, 2009 6:27 AM:

" What can President Obama do for the Iranians?

Give them a good lesson in 'community organizing' from a real pro!

Just thinkin' out loud... "

Dandre wrote on Jun 20, 2009 1:35 PM:

" This is one of the 'smart' neo-cons? these fools would have 'bombed Iran' right into the 'hands' of their 'collegues', the 'oppressors'.
Democracy and freedom comes from the ground up, something the Iranian Oppostion Leaders understand better than Wolfowitz-'the war criminal', they said the US should keep its distance so they can WIN their own freedom.
Obama is handling this perfectly..... "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 20, 2009 1:46 PM:

" To: Alihandero wrote on Jun 20, 2009 6:27 AM:

He should write a new book, "How I stole the election for President of the United States". It might help them figure out how to change the status quo in Iran. Promise the people anything to get in and then do as you darn well please. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 20, 2009 5:49 PM:

" I cannot think of another point in time when anyone was so defiant of the President of the United States. Unless you take into consideration Nakita's taking his shoe off and banging it on the table at a meeting with John F. Kennedy. Iran and North Korea have both threated our nation to the point of threatening to declare war should we protect our troops and allies. Not since WWII has an agression been so obvious and neglected as this time in history. Roosevelt once said; walk softly and carry a big stick. The implication there is not to be afraid to hit someone with the big stick. We now undoubtedly have a nuclear capability that out reaches any rogue state that wishes to threaten us with a nuclear attack of their own. If John F. Kennedy had taken the same stance as Obama, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, we would all probably be speaking Russian right now. We didn't find the threat of North Korea in any overflight, Kim put it right out there for everyone to hear. Is Pearl Harbor going to be nuked, for action from OBAMA? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 20, 2009 6:00 PM:

" To: Dandre wrote on Jun 20, 2009 1:35 PM:

What you don't understand is if we don't take an interest in helping the people of Iran now. Isreal may launch an attack that starts something in the Middle East we've all read about in our Bibles.
You talk about the oppressed like you feel they should stay that way. How would you like to be part of that countries restricted, can't protest, can't do anything that resembles a demoncracy or its' freedoms. If any journalist tells the truth in that country they are immediately accused of deception and misleading the general world on what is really happening. Those people are not taking to the streets because Toyota just open a new dealership. They are portesting for a reason, a reason we should validate, not turn our other cheek and have a nuclear attack launched on our soldiers serving in Iraq and Afghanistan or the civilian population in Isreal. Don't you get it, this madman is the problem. Not those of us who want to stop him in his tracks. You probably would've given Hirohito, more time? "

SJT wrote on Jun 20, 2009 10:29 PM:

" Hey, I have an idea! We can invade an oil-rich country, take over their oil to get cheap gas and... oh. Never mind.

His take on world events might carry some gravitas if Wolfowitz hadn't sold his CinC on invading Iraq which resulted in the deaths of over 4000 American troops and hundreds of thousands Iraqi women & children - and no oil. He's lucky he's not (yet) convicted like his neo-con buddies Ollie North, Eliot Abrams, G. Gordon Liddy & I. "Scooter" Libby (there are more from the Reagan and Nixon criminal scandals to add, but for brevity sake - will use the quick-list).

Question: Why should we listen to Paul Woflowitz, unindicted war criminal? "

manuel wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:37 AM:

" Alihandero Bush started a war with Irag for no reason, he did it by lieing to the people, and now you want Obama to start a war with Iran, how foolish you are, America cant solve the problems of every country, we have got to solve our own "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 21, 2009 11:32 PM:

" No, 'manolo,' not really...

I think that by 'shootin hoops' in the spirit of good sportsmanship he could bring the Iranians together.

Isn't that what co-mun-i-ty organizers do?

You DO remember that they are disagreeing with themselves, right?

Now North Korea, on the other hand... "

Deb wrote on Jun 22, 2009 10:10 PM:

" Some certainly believe the US should force our beliefs on other countries- wonder what the response from those same people would be had some other powerful country tried to do the same when there was the Bush/Gore issue.

It's not our place to interfere - period. Do unto others, no? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 22, 2009 11:26 PM:

" To: SJT wrote on Jun 20, 2009 10:29 PM:

There you go again losing track of the facts on how America does things. I can't speak for the current administration, but in many past administrations we invaded countries, freeing many people from dictatorships and almost sure death. All we asked in return, was for some earth to bury our dead heros and we even provided the corsses to mark those graves. We got nothing out of the European effort the both times we joined them as their ally to rid their countries of a Germany war machine. We asked nothing of Japan other than to disband its military after WWII. In Korea there was a line drawn and we stayed on our side of it. Yet America is always to blame for these rogue nations rearing their ugly heads. I might agree with that, if they would have allowed Patton to charge the Russians at the end of WWii like he wanted. Then allowed Omar Bradley to kick butt in North Korea until all the Chinese were forced back to China. If General MacCarthur could have occupied Japan permanently. "

Pete wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:13 AM:

" Now that Iran and the USA have similar Presidents, it wouldn't surprise me to be treated the same way the protesters are in Iran on July 4th during the Tea Party. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:25 AM:

" To: manuel wrote on Jun 21, 2009 8:37 AM:

You may change your mind when Iran and North Korea start serving up missile pie and nuclear whip cream on it. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:39 AM:

" hey pete we just finished 8 yrs of the Gestapo, you can find the 'video' of their 'jack-boots' abusing the Press at the RNC.
The Freedom Fighters in Iran are fighting against Iran's CONSERVATIVES.
Sen Ensign is introducing legislation to require all women to wear 'burqas' because HE can't control himself, must be the 'taliban' in him. "

SJT wrote on Jun 23, 2009 4:19 PM:

" It is quite amazing, seeing the Iranian people fighting and dying in the streets of their cities, protesting the hard-line, conservative theocracy that has oppressed them for so long now. Ironically, it was our own conservative, Ronald Reagan, who sold arms to the same mullahs who today arm the thugs to kill democratic-loving Persians (apparently Ollie didn't shred all those documents).

Fortunately, for every conservative in this country who complains the President isn't doing ... something, like Wolfowitz does here, there are as many other conservatives who say the President is on the right track in remaining neutral so as not to give the Iranian conservative theocrats a reason to blame us for "causing blood to flow in the streets". THIS is why we elected Barack as our President. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 23, 2009 5:37 PM:

" I suggest the following report for the nay sayer's who rushed Bush out of office.

http://thecapitalist.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/10/2529746-obamas-disapproval-numbers-double-since-inauguration "

Dandre wrote on Jun 23, 2009 11:44 PM:

" fred, the polls show republicans at 25%,
voters under 30 are registered Democrat over R almost 2 to 1.
IF Progressives have a problem with Obama its because he's not being PROGRESSIVE enough, We want him and Congress to IGNORE the 'regressive' party of 'no' COMPLETELY. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:48 AM:

" open comment to the moderator, why do you keep ignoring my posts which are normally cordial and have facts, yet you allow Dandre to post slander? He makes the following comment without providing a source and you post it:

"Sen Ensign is introducing legislation to require all women to wear 'burqas' because HE can't control himself, must be the 'taliban' in him."

This goes completely against the grain of Dandre since he always wants to keep religion and politics seperate.

At least Senator Ensign was man enough to make the government spend millions of dollars to make him admit he had an affair, while Democrats always deny and perjue themselves. What Senator Ensign did was wrong, and he himself has to live with his sins. But he didn't wait for the Blue dress to be provided as evidence. "

Paul wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:55 AM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 22, 2009 11:26 PM:

" To: SJT wrote on Jun 20, 2009 10:29 PM:

There you go again losing track of the facts on how America does things. I can't speak for the current administration, but in many past administrations we invaded countries, freeing many people from dictatorships and almost sure death.

And there you go again wdf... thinking that WAR is the answer to everything. I think YOU should run for president and after your victory declare yourself the president of the world. That is what you want, for the US to take over every country that doesn't do what WE say.

Every country has to solve their OWN problems wdf and not look to us for free handouts. Isn't that what you are fighting HERE?

You may not be an employee of the sentinal but you sure are their friend "

Paul wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:44 PM:

" NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:48 AM:

" open comment to the moderator, why do you keep ignoring my posts which are normally cordial and have facts, yet you allow Dandre to post slander?

I ask the say of wdf, ali and others, you included.

"But he didn't wait for the Blue dress to be provided as evidence."

But the blue dress was coming to him. Funny how HE called for Billy and Craig to resign after their fun but HE, OH NO not him. It was reported that the other republicans CLAPPED for him.

Fair and balanced. Oh course. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:14 PM:

" To: Sir Paul wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:55 AM:

If you would back up a minute and take time to review the United States, it's many allies and the United Nations. You would realize that we all made a commitment many years ago to band together and to prevent axis evil as George W. put it from obtaining and using Nuclear Weapons.

I once again will point out Iran stated for years that their only interest in nuclear power was for electricity for its' citizens. The problem with that scenario is when they also put into place a missile launch program. You don't send nuclear power to the citizens of your country via missile launches. There is only one purpose for a missile to reach destinations far, far away from your own soil.

North Korea and kim on the otherhand have been more forthright and say they developed nuclear power to kee the US from invading into it's territory. There was a line drawn many years ago and we have respected that line. North Korea has not respected the treaties they signed at the end of Korean War. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:22 PM:

" To: Sir Paul wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:55 AM:

If you know anything about me, I am a patriot who believes in the American fighting man and woman soldiers, airman, marines, navy and coast guard.

Down through history it is not our war veterans, nor our service members who have started wars. It is the politicians on both sides of the equation who at some point deicde the talking is over and the military is the solution. Simply because I support that method as one way to bring peace does not make me the bad guy.

Any former service member will tell you that in order to find peace, sometimes you have to have war first. Once the power issue is out of the way, then negoations begin for a surrender, armistice and peace. That is a large part of our history that evidently you have missed down through the years. But please if you doubt it, check the facts behind all of our wars and you will find it was a politician who started them, our service members never fire a shot unless the order is given. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:23 PM:

" To: Sir Paul wrote on Jun 24, 2009 8:55 AM:

Maybe a more profound way to put it is politicians start wars and service members end them. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:41 PM:

" We the People ended the Viet Nam War when 3million of People showed up on Nixon's front lawn. and W's 'cowboy' bs was and is a disaster.
'bomb bomb Iran' McCain has no credibility with the Iranian people, they know their history better than he does. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 25, 2009 5:49 PM:

" Just telling you what happened, Ale....Ali.....whateve., so you think we shouldn't have left?
What a surprize...you know, whatever your name is, with all that's been revealed, I think the Dem's should go ahead and not allow anymore 'rethuglican' crossovers. Karl Rove's Pemanent Majority........Mission Accomplished "

Dandre wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:19 AM:

" I, along with every other GI I knew, was on the right side of history, no matter what ann coulter says.
The $$$$ that we have poured into the Du Bai 'based' Halliburton and KBR's has 'created' the 'boogie-man' that the 'help me daddy' party NEEDS to keep the 'baggers' hysterical and the Viet Nam Vets that 'fell' for it 'stood' by as '5 deferment' Cheney and the 'neo-con-nightmare' have 'destroyed' the lives of COUNTLESS our kids, sending them back into combat, over and over and over......Dick Cheney is a COWARD who PANICED on 9/11 and the blood is on him and his 'followers'......I think that 'spells' your name to a tee.... "

jeff wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:47 AM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 23, 2009 5:37 PM:
" I suggest the following report for the nay sayer's who rushed Bush out of office.


Rushed out of office? The country voted him out on Nov-4-2008 – after serving the maximum 2 terms - and Obama took office Jan-20-2009. This is what happens every election. I thought you had voted before.

What is it that you people want Obama to do exactly? Talk harshly about Ahmadinejad? What purpose would this serve? Too many of you worry about keeping up appearances more than actual action. If you cared that much for human rights, civil liberties and the like you wouldn’t vote down gay marriage, stem cell research, abortion and many other civil rights issues. If you cared about liberating people from oppression where were you during Rwanda or Darfur? The fact is Republicans don’t care when the country has no oil or if there is no political gain as in being able to say a Democrat is doing a bad job. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:53 AM:

" FBI Files: Saddam Hussein Faked Having WMDs
By Susie Madrak

I know there were people saying this at the time, but the people bent on war refused to believe it. Oh.., what's a few hundred thousand dead people killed in the name of saving us all?

WASHINGTON - Saddam Hussein feared Iran's arsenal more than a U.S. attack, and even considered asking ex-President George W. Bush "to protect" Iraq from its neighbor, once secret FBI files show.
The FBI interrogations of the.. tyrant - codename "Desert Spider" - were declassified after a FOIA request.
..records show Saddam happily boasted of duping the world about stockpiling weapons of mass destruction. And he consistently denied cooperating with ..Bin Laden's Al Qaeda.
Of all his enemies, Iraq's ex-president - who insisted he still held office during captivity - hated Iran most.
Asked how he would have faced "fanatic" Iranian ayatollahs if Iraq .. proven toothless by UN weapons inspectors in 2003, Saddam said he would have cut a deal with Bush.
"… Iraq would have been extremely vulnerable to attack from Iran and would have sought a security agreement with the U.S. for protection…," according to a FBI report... "

Dandre wrote on Jun 26, 2009 11:54 AM:

" Without Bush's help, "Iraq would have done what was necessary," he told FBI Agent George Piro...
That didn't mean an alliance of evil with Al Qaeda, he insisted ….
The interrogations… in 2004 after his capture the previous December at the same farm where he said he'd hidden after orchestrating a failed 1959 coup plot.
Saddam denied ever laying eyes on the "zealot" Bin Laden, bent on striking the U.S.
He said he "did not have the same belief of vision" as the terror kingpin.
Saddam never sought Al Qaeda assistance because he feared the terror group would turn on him. To protect his country, the more likely ally "would have been North Korea."
Saddam also said the U.S. "used the 9/11 attack as a justification to attack Iraq" and "lost sight of the cause of 9/11."
The U.S. "was not Iraq's enemy," just its policies, Saddam explained.
Asked about WMDs, Saddam insisted: "We destroyed them. We told you."
"By God, if I had such weapons, I would have used them in the fight against the U.S," he added. "

Pete wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 PM:

" So Saddam "faked" having WMD's so he could lose his multi-billion dollar empire and get hanged! He sounds like a Lib (Commie). "

Dandre wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:16 PM:

" NHG, you accused me of ‘slander’ for my ‘sarcastic’ characterization of Sen Ensign a self-proclaimed member of the self-proclaimed ‘Promise Breakers/ Hope I can do better this time/Keepers’.
My reference to his ‘satirical’ introduction of ‘American/Christian’ legislation requiring a ‘burqa’, a ‘Middle Eastern/Muslim’ garment, was to point out the similarities of ‘fundamentalism’ ACROSS the board.
The ‘religious elementary school’ I attended, was staffed by women (nuns) dressed in the ‘Christian’ version of a ‘burqa’, called a ‘habit’.
The ‘inability’ to openly discuss, recognize and celebrate the ‘realities’ of life with our children is the main cause of the sexual dysfunctions of our society. The ‘closeted’ ‘sex is evil’ approach have ‘isolated’ kids to ‘deal’ with ‘normal development’ by people ‘mentally-burqa’ed’, conservatives
When I hear conservatives talk about protecting the ‘sanctity of marriage’ and defending ‘divorce’ in the same breath and then preaching ‘abstinence’……….I have to point out….first, the majority didn’t practice ‘abstinence’ themselves but think the ‘rest of the world’should ‘abstain’, especially’ their ‘daughters’, because everytime a kid comes to pick her up for a date, they see THEMSELVES headed out the frontdoor………….. "

Dandre wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:17 PM:

" …………..’til death do you part’ is a VOW, whose ‘parameter’ IS ‘a ONCE in a lifetime commitment…PERIOD, if you think that that can be altered, then YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE and the ‘parameter’ of YOUR commitment has more to do with your ‘libido’ than your ‘heart’. OF which, YOUR children watch you use ‘marriage’ as a ‘vehicle’ around monogamy, but your ‘children’ grow-up and usually recognize the hypocrisy or they mimic you and tear apart a few more relationships.
The taliban uses the ‘glimpse’ of a female ‘ankle’ to justify murder and rape.
Bill O’Rally questions whether a ‘murder/rape’ VICTIM might have dressed to ‘provocatively’, hinting that SHE might be ‘responsible’.
and John Ensign wouldn’t ride in a car with a female unless someone else was ‘present’…. doesn’t sound like a ‘promise keeper’ but more like an ‘addict’ needing ‘governmental intervention’ legislation, to protect ‘him’ along with the rest of US from the people like ‘him’. NOT to be slanderous… "

Paul wrote on Jun 26, 2009 2:24 PM:

" Pete wrote on Jun 26, 2009 12:48 PM:

" So Saddam "faked" having WMD's so he could lose his multi-billion dollar empire and get hanged! He sounds like a Lib (Commie). "


Are you like wdf and stuck in certain time periods? You are dating yourself with the term commie. But if it makes you and Q fell better, then by all means use it. You can also use socialist and budding with and whatever other term turns you on.

I don't think "Saddam "faked" having WMD's." I'm sure that if you read a "newspaper" (and not the ones palin reads) you would have "discovered" by now that THERE WERE NO WMD's in Iraq.

So Saddam didn't "fake" anyone. It was bush who "FAKED" US out by insisting Saddam was trying to "fake" us by insisting he didn't have any.

bush was hoping that those of you that believed him didn't go past high school. He was right. "

B. wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:27 PM:

" Obama needs to pay more attention to what`s happening in the USA. Where are all the jobs he was going to create? Wasn`t he going to save America? As far as I`m concerned, he has way to many projects. And he can`t handle one of them.
He ended up a liar and I knew it during the campaign.
Plus...he know`s nothing about foreign policy issue`s. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:07 PM:

" Let's see if I get away with posting and pasting the way some others do on this blog?

In October 1967, Stop the Draft Week resulted in major clashes at the Oakland, California induction center, and saw more than a thousand registrants return their draft cards in events across the country. The cards were delivered to the Justice Department on October 20.
The next day, October 21, 1967, a large demonstration took place at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. As many as 100,000 demonstrators attended the event, and at least 30,000 later marched to the Pentagon for another rally and an all night vigil. Some, including Abbie Hoffman and Jerry Rubin, attempted to "exorcise" and "levitate" the building, while others engaged in civil disobedience on the steps of the Pentagon, interrupted by clashes with soldiers and police. In all, 647 arrests were made. When a plot to airdrop 10,000 flowers on the Pentagon was foiled by undercover agents, these flowers ended up being placed in the barrels of MP's rifles, as seen in some famous photographs[6]. Norman Mailer documented the events surrounding the march on the Pentagon in his novel, Armies of the Night "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2009 12:11 PM:

" Let's see if I get away with posting and pasting the way some others do on this blog?

In November, Sam Melville, Jane Alpert, and several others bombed several corporate offices and military installations (including the Whitehall Army Induction Center) in and around New York City in opposition to the war in Vietnam.


Yes dandy dre' take solice in knowing, that you are now known amongst the ranks of people who took these most violent actions in their so called NON-VIOLENT PROTESTS.

All the protestors can now shout is remember Kent State! They fail to realize their side too was violent, deadly and most destructive. "

SuziQ wrote on Jun 27, 2009 1:43 PM:

" I would hate to be called a commie,but if the shoe fits. wear it. If a person wants to follow Comrade Obama, let them. It's going to get harder when you're out on your own, mommy is not always going to be there. "

Pete wrote on Jun 27, 2009 6:00 PM:

" That is so true, SuzieQ, it's much harder when you get out on your own. If he ever gets to my age, and that's a big if, he'll understand better. He sure has a negative view of old people, he keeps bringing it up. He called Newt, 65, an old man but I wonder what he calls his Dianne Feinstein (75) and Robert Byrd (91). "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2009 9:46 PM:

" Or Harry Reid at 70, Edward M. Kennedy 67, John Patrick "Jack" Mertha Jr. soon to be 67.Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi 59,Barbara Levy Boxer 58. You can go on and on and find many relics in the Democratic party who frequently get it wrong as you do in the Republican Party.

It was interesting to note that Barbara Boxer and Nancy Pelosi are my age and they still haven't learned anything.

Alan Cranston would roll over in his grave if he knew what Boxer had been up to, not to mention Nancy (where's the camera) Pelosi. She would do anything for a while to get headlines, including calling Leon Panetta and the entire CIA liars.

But I feel the liar was the one behind the microphone making all the out landish remarks about a liar CIA!

But my question, is Obama gonna need a note from Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to take a tougher stance on Iran? They seem to be his democratic backup, in the Senate. "

manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:56 AM:

" Whatchdog, Pete and Alihandero you need to see the movie UNCOUNTED by flim maker David Earnhardt of the FRAUD and MANIPULATION done by BUSH and his brother, then blame obama for what is going on in iran, when it happend here by the bush and his brother jeff "

Pete wrote on Jun 29, 2009 12:59 PM:

" Is this the same Manuel who believed Comrade Obama when he said the Stimulus Bill would be great (and it failed) and the same Manuel who believed Al Gore about Global Warming (and that's false)? And you want me to believe some movie? Please don't insult my intelligence! "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 29, 2009 1:16 PM:

" to SJT, first the burka is not for the middle east, it is a term used in Afganistan, in Saudi the women wear abayas, and in Iran it is called Chador, they may have the same purpose, to cover a women's figure, but the burka is even more so that than the others, as it fits over the top of the head, whereas with an abaya or chador, the face can be seen if no other device is worn to cover the face.

to Dandre, again get your facts straight, Reagan sold parts to the Iranians in exchange for cash that was used to purchase weapons for the Contras in Nicuragra (spelling?). But since I lived in Iran, I know quite abit about their military and equipment, i.e. they had Russian vehicles, American planes and helicopters, and German rifles and machine guns. So I guess you can blame the whole world for what is going on there, but not Reagan since he didn't sell them any weapons. Guess what, it is rumored they even get parts from Israel for their aging F4 and F14. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 29, 2009 3:16 PM:

" manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:56 AM:
You’re getting scary with your cloak and dagger, Brad Pitt and Robert Dinero movie projects. You are as bad as 007 running around the desert with his brown hat on, chasing NAZIS of the SS Corps, all over Saudi Arabia. That, I think, might be your problem, too many movies and not yet enough real life to sort out the good guys from the bad guys. What on earth could Jeff Bush as Governor of Florida, possibly have contributed to the covert operations of older brother George?

You maniacal twins, and triplets really make me sit back in my chair laughing with the theatrical performances you try and play out of the constant CIA and FBI espionage games, being played behind the scenes. You buy into or believe each others imagination like it were reality. If nothing else it is good for some laughs and grins, I’ll give you that much.

At least George W. Wasn’t afraid to make decisions and give orders as the Commander In Chief, it wouldn’t have taken a commander on the ground to decide to shoot those pirates. "

SJT wrote on Jun 29, 2009 4:34 PM:

" NotHomeGrown, I'm not sure you intended to reference me on the burkha issue as I had no dog in that fight. But concerning the Tomcat parts that Iran is hot for, I googled "defense logistics agency parts iran" and found several articles reporting that the DLA had sold some F-14 parts to Iran, though likely inadvertently. This happened after the USN retired its fleet of Tomcats (after an awesome 33-year run) about three years ago. Gotta be careful with that materiel, fellas!

A quick google of "reagan sold arms to iran" reveals several articles as well. The Wiki shows where the administration sold to Iran, over 2500 TOW anti-tank missiles and a handful of Hawk anti-aircraft missiles from Aug. through October, 1986.

It's an interesting story how Ollie North's secretary transposed the numbers of his Swiss bank account and the money transfer (illegal profits of the sale to be illegally transferred to the Contras) went to someone else's account instead of his!! Holy batcrap Batman!

Not sure of the President's cognizance during those times. I think the mantra then was, "well... I don't know". Ah, the good ol' days. "

manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 6:56 PM:

" SJT very good artical, thats when Reagan came up with that famous saying, dah I cant remember, and his flunky Ollie North got a slap on his hands SJT its good to read the truth for once "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:09 PM:

" Talk about mantras and other smarmy stuff, recall these gems:

"It depends of what the definition of 'is' is."

"I did not have sex with that woman (finger wagging)"

Ah, THOSE good ol' days! "

manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 9:00 PM:

" Pete has your memory left you, think back when Bush was running for his second term, now think florada, now think of how they refused to recount the votes, just like in iran, comrade Bush used ayatollah jeff to win. and how do know global warming is false, got it from your leader Limbaugh? "

Pete wrote on Jun 30, 2009 6:51 AM:

" You're wrong again Manuel, the Florida count happened in the first Bush landslide. And a better movie for us to watch is Counted Many Times, produced by ACORN. "

SuziQ wrote on Jun 30, 2009 6:55 AM:

" Manuel, you can't handle the truth! The truth is you Democrats have run our state into the dirt. The only answer you have is "raise taxes". Very pitiful! "

SJT wrote on Jun 30, 2009 10:04 AM:

" "It depends of what the definition of 'is' is."

..and this has what to do with Iran? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 30, 2009 10:24 AM:

" to mauel,

you need to think back, Florida was the first term, Ohio the second term. Don't recall any votes not being counted, do remember all of the "hanging shads" controversary.

to SJT

you are correct, looks like I mixed it up between you and Dandre, the burka should have gone to him and the Parts for Cash to you.

And the Tower comission cleared Reagan. "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 30, 2009 4:08 PM:

" Well now, "SJT " scratches his head and asks me "...and this has what to do with Iran? "

"SJT," try to follow me here, please.

If you recall, YOU brought up Regan/Arms/Iran brouhaha in the typical liberal attack mode so I felt compelled to interject the real liberal hypocrisy of your favored son Bill Clinton and what HE did. It further reflects of the dangers of the Iranian situation as run by the radical clerics no matter what we do in complicity.

Specifically, this as printed in the liberal New York Times:

("Dole Accuses Clinton on Iran Arms for Bosnia"
By ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: Saturday, April 6, 1996)

"...President Clinton today of duplicity for allowing Iran to supply weapons to the Muslim-led Bosnian Government . . . the Administration had allowed Iran to arm Bosnia, even as the White House fought efforts to force the United States to withdraw from the United Nations embargo . . . the Administration had "secretly pursued a policy in direct contradiction to its publicly stated policy -- without notifying the Congress."

I thought you were up on these Iran issues, "SJT?" "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2009 7:42 PM:

" To: manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 6:56 PM:

Come on "manuel" stick to the truth, now you very well know you Demoncrats ran Oliver so far into the ground with all your accusations the guy now has his own television show.

Your failed attempts to run Republicans in the ground is getting a touch old. Perhaps you might enlighten us on all the honest demoncrats "Who never had sexual relations, with that woman". Depends on what the definition of sexual realtions is, I would guess?

Next thing I know you will tell us all that it wasn't Lyndon B. Johnson but an imposter who micro managed the Vietnam War. Yes I said was not conflict, not police action. When people really die from their wounds and captivity that is called a war. Just like Korea was a war, it was never a Police Action.

Next batter please! "

manuel wrote on Jun 30, 2009 8:33 PM:

" SuziQ You say its pitiful to raise taxes, the way you think is to lay off, cut hours andwages, what a smart idea, this way if you close your eyes you wont see the people out of work, using what little they saved just to survive, you think just like the govenor, you dont work for him do you "

SJT wrote on Jun 30, 2009 11:21 PM:

" I could have just as easily been plucking my nose, Ali, assessing the product while pondering what attempt you might make at purporting the relevance of your previous post while also forming mental images of you, alternately (not unlike yours of me scratching my head).

You must have devoted much time to come across such an incredibly obscure and insignificant event as the result of your efforts, especially considering RR sold 2500 missiles to the gov’t of Iran – the enemy. Did it not take away from your research of bloggers’ names for you to post?

Funny that the President defeated Bob Dole in his re-election bid just seven months after making the allegations you've dusted off from the archives.

Anyhow, generally, it's a good idea to not sell weapons to your enemy. Republicans have a different outlook on that, but it's a tough sell - even for them. "

Alihandero wrote on Jul 1, 2009 2:51 PM:

" On balance "SJT," with that attitude I can understand your rejoinder fully. Sorry to disappoint.

There are plenty more Iran facts where those I cited came from no matter how much you prefer to talk about me.

Don't take things so personally, my friend!

P.S.
I guess we won't be seeing you at the Tea Party this July 4th, eh? "

SuziQ wrote on Jul 1, 2009 5:22 PM:

" C'mon Manuel, don't give us that "oh those poor people being laid off" when you
are the one that caused it. Any one that voted for an Incumbent in the last election is responsible for the mess we're in now! "

Alihandero wrote on Jul 1, 2009 5:56 PM:

" As reported in the Washington Times today:

"Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton urged President Obama for two days to toughen his language on Iran before he actually did so."

I'm glad at least one of the President's advisors has actual common sense experience with rogue nations and terror regimes.

And 'bawls' to boot! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 2, 2009 1:13 AM:

" To: Al, of Alihandero fame

You have it right my brother, you just need to rool SJT over dust him off and explain how the arms deals work amongst political parties.

We were guilty of trying to free some hostages you know human life for some weapons, like we don't have a stockpile of those. So now the Democrats don't want us to live that down.

While on the other hand the Democrats are doing everything they can to get you and I and everyone else to surrender our personal weapons. Why because they know if they can be surrendered or registered then they will know exactly where to go to retrieve them when they get good and ready. They keep trying to say it is for our own safety, but most gun owners feel much safer with their own gun in their own hand, instead of in the hand of government. I'll tell ya what go get all the drugs and thugs off the streets confiscate all their guns, and I will just hang on to my weapons since self defense is the first leg of protection legalized in this country "

SJT wrote on Jul 2, 2009 11:20 AM:

" At the risk of being led off-topic again:

Fred, is it your belief that we should sell arms to N. Korea in exchange for the two American hostages currently held there? Also, is there current legislation to ban gun ownership in the U.S.? Are there any speeches, writings, etc., by the Obama administration or Congress that contain verbiage suggesting bans on gun ownership? I'm not asking whether you believe someone in gov't wants to - just whether there is tangible proof that gov't will attempt a ban (besides assault rifles). "

SJT wrote on Jul 2, 2009 11:39 AM:

" So, it was a divisive issue within the Reagan administration. Defense Sec'y Cap Weinberger and Sec. of State George Schultz both disapproved of selling arms to Iran in exchange for hostages held in Lebanon by "Iranian Terrorists", given that the administration had a policy of not negotiating with terrorists - and Iran was under an embargo making arms sales to that nation illegal.

So the sales of those anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles took place regardless. Three of the seven hostages were released, and then sadly, three more hostages were taken in their place.

The AG asked where the rest of the money was, since much of the money from the arms sales went missing. It turned out that at least the AG was left out of the Contra loop and it got worse.

Isn't History great? We should learn more, huh? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 3, 2009 12:55 AM:

" On the foreign affairs front, Jimmy Carter most acclaimed accomplishment was the success of the Camp David Accords, 1978. They were an Egypt-Israeli peace agreement signed to prevent further conflicts in the Middle-East. He also was an active ambassador of human rights and impaled nations like Rhodesia for negative reports on the human rights front.
A controversial and unpopular move was the signing of the Panama Canal Treaties which handed over the responsibility of the American-built Panama Canal to Panama. This treaty made Jimmy Carter unpopular and bitterly opposed by sections of the American public and the Republican Party.

The SALT II Treaty signed between the Soviet Union and the US was to bring down the number of nuclear weapons in each one’s arsenal. This was also a major accomplishment from Jimmy Carter’s administrative point of view. Jimmy Carter also established the Carter Doctrine after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. But the turning point was the hostage crisis in Iran, where 52 Americans were taken hostage by Iranian students and they demanded the head of the Shah of Iran (then in the US). A failed rescue plan for the hostage recovery made Jimmy Carter unpopular. "

SJT wrote on Jul 3, 2009 7:47 AM:

" Anyhow, my point in mentioning Republicans' dealings with Iran (or any expedition in the Middle East) is that history shows that their actions have been nothing short of disastrous. More to the point, this trend should certainly be considered when it comes to the Paul Wolfowitzes of the world and dealings with the Middle East, as evidenced by the last eight years; as deputy defense sec'y, he (with Rumsfeld & Cheney) formed the decisions to invade Iraq without a clear justification and strategy to win, and he played George Bush like a fiddle the way the neo-cons played President Reagan. Check the Wolfowitz Doctrine in the Wiki for more.. "




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