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Housing assistance reduced for hundreds of Kings County residents

Judy Garcia of Hanford opened a letter from the Housing Authority of Kings County last Monday that carried nothing but bad news. It stated that the Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher she relies on to pay her monthly rent would be reduced from $809 to $586 beginning July 1 -- and she was not the only one affected.

"I understand California's in a budget crunch but that could make a lot of us homeless and that's my biggest fear," Garcia said.

She is among 563 Kings County residents who received the letters earlier this month notifying them that their vouchers would be reduced due to a serious shortfall in funding for the Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher program.

The program is short by $400,000 for the 2009 calendar year and is one of 400 other housing authorities across the country facing the same predicament, said Bob Hoskins executive director of the Housing Authority of Kings County.

"Originally we were looking at terminations but we feel this is the best for our agency and the clients ... and the landlords, too," Hoskins said.




The agency was faced with the choice of either canceling up to one-fourth of the vouchers entirely or reducing payments and continuing to provide assistance to its voucher holders. Payments were decreased for 563 of the 640 clients helped by the housing authority, Hoskins said.

"We are estimating that this (reduction) will be six months but it could be a little bit longer," Hoskins said.

He said they recommend those affected to ask their landlords for a reduction in rent but Garcia said that is a long shot.

"He said he can't because he has mortgage payments," Garcia said.

The 42-year-old mother of three adult children has relied on the Section 8 housing voucher to help pay her rent for two years because her monthly disability benefits from Social Security do not meet her monthly expenses.

Her disability payments will also be reduced by $20 on July 1 to $850 because the state's budget crisis has forced California to decrease its payment amount.

She said that she has been on disability for 10 years since she was diagnosed with grand mal seizures that do not allow her to drive or function normally.

"I'm not trying to rip off the man, I'm just trying to live," Garcia said.

Doctors deemed it necessary for her to be around someone 24 hours a day because of her health condition, so now she lives with her ex-husband in a three-bedroom home. She said due to severe diabetes he is able to contribute very little to the household because he relies on his disability payments, which are $700 per month.

The rent on her three-bedroom home is $1,100 a month, which may seem extravagant by some standards.

"I want to be able to live in a house," Garcia said. "I feel like why should I have to be confined to a small apartment?"

Asked about the possibility of moving where the rent is cheaper, Garcia said she cannot afford to because of the deposit and moving expenses.

Residents in certain low-income brackets are accepted into the Section 8 Housing Choice Voucher program, which qualifies them to have a portion of their rent paid based on a payment standard that is equal to a fair market rent that has been determined by the United States Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD).

In order to reduce its payments for the voucher program, the Housing Authority of Kings County requested that HUD approve the reduction beginning July 1 for all of its clients.

Garcia said it was already hard for her to pay her monthly bills prior to the reduction, but losing $223 from the housing authority coupled with the $20 reduction in her disability check will be hard to handle.

"I'm not asking for pity, I'm asking for answers," Garcia said.

This reporter can be reached at 583-2427.

(June 22, 2009)

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maskman wrote on Jun 22, 2009 12:22 PM:

" "I want to be able to live in a house," Garcia said. "I feel like why should I have to be confined to a small apartment?"

Because the state (i.e. the taxpayers) are paying for it. I lived in an apt for 20 years before I could afford to rent and later buy a house. If I was disabled, I would not expect the taxpayers to pay for me to live in a nice house. I know how hard money is to come by. Sorry, no sympathy here. But I am sorry for your health problems. . "

this is me wrote on Jun 22, 2009 1:49 PM:

" I 100% agree.. I lost my job, and there is no way we can live in the house we are in. So we are moving to a smaller place with less rent. Problem solved, we all have to do things that we are not used to or not comfortable with. But its better than living on the streets. Some times you have to suck it up, life goes on. "

Thoughts I confess wrote on Jun 22, 2009 2:47 PM:

" Re: maskman...no sympathy...ON TARGET!

Taxpayers know the mentality of these consumers of social benefits, they are perceived as a lazy lot. Well UNTRUE.Quality video sits on file at local & other casinos....seeing them in quite a different light.They have no problem hanging out for 10-12 hours day when their monthly checks are cashed in.

Kings County due to "word of mouth" became the Mecca for rewarding women with reproductive organs in good working order, yet incapable for other health reasons of working, others simply lived off-the-edge without common sensibilities.

These random amounts of people are live unmonitored, outside their means in the first place. Entertainment, the Bingo Palace with all that extra money they became accustomed to, they worry not about having to supplement their expenses with grant programs that paid their rent and an array of other necessities. SSI or SDI check to could be blown any way they wanted.

Keep cutting California...slowly but surely they will learn and maybe they will all return back to where they came from out of county, state and what other parts of beyond this continent. Good riddance! "

LuvBugzMoM wrote on Jun 22, 2009 3:51 PM:

" Im a single parent of 1 & pay my own rent, bills, daycare, car insurance, activities that my child participates in etc...all by working a full-time job. If I can do it WITHOUT any help these people can to.
I do feel sorry for the medical problems these people face, but those that keep producing children like an assembly line is just not even right. The REALITY is you can only get hand outs for so long, than the water is dry.
If I can do it as a single parent WITHOUT getting any help, NO SECTION 8, NO FOOD STAMPS or whatever help is out there than those people out there can to.
I can understand those with MAJOR MEDICAL problems need the help but if ends are still tight down size to what you can afford. Why live above your means of income.?..
For those that keep having children just to get "hand-outs" well stop because all your doing is hurting the children by depriving them of things that they need. "

just wondering wrote on Jun 22, 2009 5:19 PM:

" What about all the people that have lost their jobs, unemployment has run out and they are about to lose their homes due to a whole lot of back luck. I'm not talking about people living way beyond their means, I'm talking about the average Joe that just needs their job to pay their bills. Can they get a little of that money as well? A lot of them have lost their homes and have had to move into apartments and sell or give away a lot of possessions they have no room for. They want to work, they just can't find a job. People should be thankful for what is given to them, not expect somebody else to foot the bill due to their unfortunate circumstances. I feel bad for her, but I feel bad for a whole bunch of people that would be thrilled to get ANY money to help pay the rent or mortgage. "

Mrs.D wrote on Jun 22, 2009 5:56 PM:

" "I want to be able to live in a house," Garcia said. "I feel like why should I have to be confined to a small apartment?"

My in laws live on a very meager income. Though, for some reason, they cannot receive Section 8 or an apartment in a senior complex. However, all the homes around are Section 8, occupied mainly by Indians from the Tachi Rez who are waiting for homes to built on or near the Rez itself. And by coincidence, they are living in these homes on Sec. 8. And if you know these people to be on Welfare and Sec.8, sitting at the Casino, you can take their pictures with cell phones and show them to the Welfare Office. You're not physically touching them so you're not doing anything wrong. Double dipping is wrong; taking pics isn't! "

And I say wrote on Jun 22, 2009 6:27 PM:

" "re:Thoughts I confess...You're comment is NOT 100% true. My husband and I receive SSDI and We DO NOT spend it at any casino, We use it to SURVIVE! We worked for many years before We both became disabled (with in 1 year of each other) We also DO NOT receive any "social benefits" including section 8 or food stamps. I am sure there are a number of other disabled county residents that do not squander their money.

NOW I DO agree that if you can't afford it MOVE...

I also did some math and according to the article..2 people( Ms.Garcia and her ex-husband), combined income of $1550. per month. Rent $1100. minus the $586. from sec 8 leaves them $514 for rent per month, combined they still have $1036 per month for utilities, food (prescriptions are covered by the state...correct?) etc! So what is your problem Ms. Garcia???? Thant's a lot left if you ask me! I'm lucky if we have a full $200. a month for food and utilities much less any extras "

Con Carne wrote on Jun 22, 2009 7:58 PM:

" I can't wait for some of the regulars to chime in on this article. Section 8 should have been cut long before education or furloughing state employees. "

mscat40 wrote on Jun 22, 2009 8:08 PM:

" It's nice to be able to live in a house , however that is a luxury> If it becomes too expensive then your going to have to do what most people have to do. Make sacrifices. Now that the section 8 voucher program can't pay as much anymore , then your going to have to either shell out the money yourself, or move to an apartment.
Sorry, I do not feel badly for you. I am also disabled, live on SSDI, and have a teenaged son who is disabled , and I am raising him on my own.
I know personally how difficult it is. however, I am not on food stamps, welfare or anything . I do live in HUD housing, apartments though. a 2 bedroom, they are nice. I feel lucky to be in them.
Why should you move into an apartment? because if you depend on the state for assistance when there are cutbacks then your going to lose.
nobody is going to be exempt from these budget cuts , not this time. Either pay your own way, or move out. "

angel wrote on Jun 22, 2009 9:51 PM:

" I do not feel sorry for anyone at this point. I have a family member who works for the county who may lose her job because of cutbacks. It is affecting everyone. This is due to the economy and the poor decisions made by State officials many, many years ago.

We can no longer have the system we once had. People need to realize that they must take some responsibility for themselves and stop expecting handouts or entitlments.

I've been saying since a year ago, there will be a class war here in California and definitely here in Kings County. I see it already happening. I'm looking to move as far away as possible because I have been a single mom and made it without anyone's help.

It just frustrates me to no end that these people aren't even made responsible for their actions. Hopefully word will get out and people will stop coming here and being a drain on our society. "

Solon wrote on Jun 22, 2009 9:57 PM:

" Thoughts I confess...spot on, love what you got to say. just wondering...Great question. I would fully support social programs if they helped people who experience some hard times and just need short term help until they can get their feet back under them. It's not supposed to be a way of life, great point you make. I'm trying to remember where in the Constitution it says everyone has a RIGHT to live in a nice home, or the RIGHT to drive a nice car. Life, Liberty, and the Pusuit of Happiness. All accomplished in a country that was founded on hard work and determination. Oh now I get it. some just live off of the hard work of others, not their own. Well at long as someone is still working hard then everything should be ok. FDR's "New Deal" is the single largest screwup in American History. Look at what it has turned us into, Look at History, what would the greatest generation have done, and what are we doing. We're way, way of course. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 22, 2009 11:32 PM:

" I really doubt this woman and her husband asked for the illnesses they both find themselves stricken with at this time in their life. It amazes me, a healthy person can be gainfully employed one day and let a catastrophic illness/injury hit and their lives are changed over night. What most of you don't understand is many disabled people have sacrificed enough already. They are no longer mobile on their own two legs. They can't do the repairs and odd jobs fixing things they use to and now have to hire it done and sit with indignation as they watch minimal tasks be performed they could and would do theirselves. So try not to be too hard on them when they try and control certain aspects of their life, they should have some say about. These people who for medical reasons need this help are the one's I talk about as deserving. While the unwed mothers and baby machines are the one's who do not deserve to continue their lifestyle to maintain their benefit amount. The illegal immigrant sucks the heart out, of the benefits machine. "

americantaxpayer wrote on Jun 23, 2009 3:15 AM:

" This program should have been phased out years ago! It is a waste of money that could be better spent on education and health care. I have seen too many people use this program to subsidize there way of life. If you can't afford your rent, then move somewhere where you can. The taxpayer should not have to support these section 8 families; they have to support themselves like we all do! This free money our government gives out needs to stop. That includes all the welfare and medical benefits too! Welfare was a program designed to help American Families during times of emergencies for a short period of time. Not to support or subsidize a family for generations or to feed your excessive amount of children people keep reproducing with out the means to support them. If you can't afford your house rent, move to an apartment or trailer. Working people work hard for there money and get upset watching there tax dollars supporting people who do not deserve it and abuse it! No more free handouts! "

keli wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:12 AM:

" State employes lost 10% of there pay checks a few months back,rumor has it they are going to lose another 5% real soon.Sure they make good money but losing that money hurts them also.Why not put them on the front page? They at least go to work everyday.Maybe these people's kids should let Mom and Dad move in with them for awhile until they can get the money for deposits,rent, etc? As for the Palace,I dare anyone to go out and walk through The Palace one afternoon or evening,it's appalling how many people who are there that shouldn't be there. "

Ray The Man wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:53 AM:

" I was born and raised in Hanford. My best friend had epilepsy, which causes the grand mal seizures. This started back in 1968. He could not drive (they took away his drivers license), but he managed to get around Hanford. He became a husband and a father of two wonder young women that still live in Hanford. He and his family were able to build a very nice house in Hanford where his wife still lives (he did pass away a few years back). Guess what, he did not receive all these wonderful benefits. He and his wife both worked to afford the ‘American Dream’. People with disabilities can work. In fact it is much better for them to do so they don’t feel disabled. California’s ‘Pity Party’ must stop. If you don’t realize it yet, ‘The Money Tree DIED’. "

just wondering wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 AM:

" Hey Fred, I have a very dear friend that worked hard all her life, bought a home, owned her own business. As she got older and times got a little harder and she couldn't work as much, she made the decision (the right one under her circumstances) to move into an apartment so that she wouldn't have to worry about maintenance and yard care-besides having a reduction in housing costs. We all gotta do what we all gotta do. Talk to all the people that worked at Mervyns and Gottschalks that lost their jobs and all their retirement when the companies went broke. If they can't get work who's gonna make their rent/mortgage payment? When the unemployment runs out and if they can't find a job, do they get section 8 housing as well? Even if they get another job, almost nobody is hiring full time-and forget about any benefits. "

WHITEY1 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 10:24 AM:

" looks like the 'Bird Feeder' is running out of seed.
Bout time! "

kermit the frog wrote on Jun 23, 2009 12:22 PM:

" Con carne, you are becoming my favorite poster here! "

BJMallory wrote on Jun 23, 2009 2:05 PM:

" Whitey1, (if you're the same poster as "Whitey") I'm sorry but you made me say this. The "bird feeder" was there for YOUR family when they needed it. You know how I know this is true. It was there for mine, too, and we were grateful. The difference is, I'm not on high posting hateful comments condeming people for needing help and getting it. Don't forget where you came from. You are young and think you know what's up, but you are still only learning. Life can deal out some hard lessons fast - just like WDF said in his post. Pray that never happens to you or your spouse. "

whitey1 wrote on Jun 23, 2009 4:20 PM:

" Bj,

I do know how My family has been on it. But i do also know how quickly we were off of it. Im not saying EVERYONE abuses the system. I never once have said that. In fact, I would love if I was able to qualify for some type of assistance now. Which unfortunately, I don't. The sentinel didnt post the other two comments I left on here for Lord only knows why, I didnt say anything out of line at all. I said i am very sorry for the illness that this woman has, but also, while she is griping about having a reduced check, and she doesnt want to be put into an apartment, what about all the people who dont have a place to live? I said she should be so lucky to have a BIG house to live in. "

Deb wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:31 PM:

" It's so easy to judge. There but for the Grace of God go I is what comes to mind while reading this article.

When I read that one line, I knew the bait was waiting for the vultures.

This program helps many people - think elderly - my mom had a section 8 voucher when she had brain cancer and was put under the care of hospice - her disability check was around $800/mo. She'd worked at one employer for many many years at minimum wage and paid her way... Section 8 was her first dipping into the social program pie after 60 years of life. Those are the stories which don't get told and which we forget about when judging a news story...

Section 8 allows for many elderly to live independently for as long as they are able, it also allows for disabled with children to provide a home for their family, be it a "house" or an apt or duplex or what have you.

Entitlement should never be allowed, but oversight should be maintained always in Govt programs. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 23, 2009 8:59 PM:

" To: Deb wrote on Jun 23, 2009 7:31 PM:

I absolutely agree with you 150% in everything you say. I am sorry to hear of your mothers battle with cancer, the big C is one of my largest fears in life. I've witnessed what it can do to so many, in my lifetime. "

mikeybucs wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:58 AM:

" Interesting discussion. I can sympathize (and empathize) with most of the viewpoints expressed in this thread. However, I think it's improper to castigate the entire disability/social services system based on anecdotal evidence.

I would like to pose a question to all of the folks who advocated dismantling these programs (e.g. SSI, SSDI, Medi-Cal, state and local welfare programs). Specifically, I would like to know what *you* would do to support yourself in the event of *your own* permanent disability. How would you provide for yourself in that eventuality? Please be specific. "

mikeybucs wrote on Jun 24, 2009 1:24 AM:

" To the posters who want to reduce or abolish disability and welfare programs:

Which state and federal programs, specifically, do you want to scrap? Just Section 8 housing assistance? Medi-Cal as well? Cash aid and food stamps for good measure? SSI and Social Security Disability Insurance (which are not the same thing, by the way)? Medicare for SSDI recipients? Or, in your utopian idyllic world, should we just wipe the slate clean and eliminate them all? "

this is me wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:08 PM:

" Its not so much about scrapping them. It should be about restructuring them. It should not be so easy for people to abuse the system, and stay on for years. I understand that there are people that really need the help. And a lot of time the people that really need the help do not get it, its so back wards... "

this is me wrote on Jun 24, 2009 12:20 PM:

" I personally do not think that they should scrap the programs, they should be completly restructured. Too many people are abusing them and abusing them for many years. I don't think that it is right for someone who really needs the help to be turned away, but someone who keeps having child after child is welcomed with open arms. It is so backwards, its sad and what kind of message is it sending... "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 24, 2009 2:41 PM:

" I can't remember the blogger who said this not long ago for I would surely give her credit. "But please people, when you are pointing a finger at someone realize three fingers are being pointed back at you, from your own hand". Something to that effect That is an awesome comment, when you think about what it is saying. We are not the judges and jurrist on moral fiber, on who gets what benefit in their lifetime. That position has been reserved for someone wiser than all of us.

Another way to look at it is the benefits that these people who have real medical problems are deserving of a little help. As the robust and hard working person you should get up every morning and go to bed every night, thanking God above for your health, wealth and your families. Until such time as you suffer diabetes and know the lasting effects on your life, possible loss of limb, blindness, kidney disease and worse, death.
You don't realize, a diagnosis of diabetes is almost surely a death sentence. You want to trade places with Judy? "

mandaa wrote on Jun 24, 2009 3:56 PM:

" ohhh... i got something to say about this. ok welfare is a joke. anyone can quit their job and apply for it. why work huh. right now yeah times are tough people lost their jobs due to the economy but before that people are always wanting a handout. well i dont feel bad for you. if they wanted a job they can get one even if disabled. look the woman in fresno from xtreme makeover didnt have legs or correct length arms and she worked hard to raise 4 kids. my husband went to grocery store and was in the checkout and this lady cut in front of him. he was mad but said o well not gonna start a argument. well she had WIC. that takes a long time. well he finally got checked out and walked out to the parking lot she was loading her groceries in a brand new mercedes. wow must be nice. its all about PRIORITIES people. "

Angie wrote on Jun 24, 2009 4:03 PM:

" I've been wanting to comment on this for a couple of days now but I had to make sure exactly where I stand on this. I mean, my parents who have worked all there lives have been getting short changed by the state every other month due to "the emergency state of financial difficulty in the state of California". That's what their letter from the state said when they cut even more of their SSI checks. They are not entitled to foodstamps because they own their home (thank God). But you have people like the lady in the article who will not move into an apartment to save money. Gee, I wish we could afford to pay $1,100 a month on rent.
All I know is that if anything happens to my husband I would need to depend on assistance and would want to go back to school. But will those prgrams be there for me????????? "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:50 PM:

" Hey Angie,

SSI is a state program?

SSI is this (or so I believe):

"Supplemental Security Income (SSI) is a US federal program, which can help give financial aid to those with disabilities. SSI is not the same as receiving disability pay. Normally one may be eligible for disability payments if one has worked for 12 months prior to the disability occurring, and the disability is expected to last for a year, or result in death."

So how could CA. state cut your parent's federal SSI check directly? "

Dandre wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:53 PM:

" Fred, the Liberal?
I agree with you, fred and angie the 'socailist'!!
Hey, you guys do the 'guest column' on the 'Importance of Social Programs'.....Dick Cheney on 'Gay Marriage'.....Sherill Calhoun on the ‘Treating Drugs as a Medical Condition'.... and Hey, you’ve got a good start on a 'conservative 'rehab' support group'....invite Mark Sanford "

FLOWERCHILD wrote on Jun 25, 2009 7:45 AM:

" The lack of empathy for Judy and other's by most of you is totally mind boggling. My husband and I have worked our entire lives. He was a most admired code welder and I worked at a factory. Both of us, long hours and any overtime that was offered. Neither of us ever thought we would need anything from anybody. Then, a car accident left my husband paralyzed from the chest down. He has numerous problems with his health now. A roller coaster has less ups and downs then we do. The wheelchair that Judy is pictured with is the same as my husbands and I'll be the first to tell you...A small apartment would not work. Those chairs do not turn on a dime as they are promoted. We have had to ask for help from time to time and it hurts. But we are so thankful. I guess what I'm trying to convey is Be Good To People On The Way Up....Cause You Will Meet Them On The Way Down! "

Mrs.D wrote on Jun 25, 2009 12:23 PM:

" Start taxing fast food, cigarettes, liquor/alcohol, snack cakes, candy, cut welfare for the career receivers, and tax CASINOS, we could have California in the black within five years! "

Angie wrote on Jun 25, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Alihandero,
You are correct. What my parents recieve is social security/disability. The disability portion of it is what's getting cut. Also, Medicare is cutting their dental and vision benefits. I'm not sure if all or just some benefits are being cut but either way, it will hit the elderly very hard. "

Angie wrote on Jun 25, 2009 2:40 PM:

" Mandaa,
Do you know for a fact that it was her mercedes??
Did you know that some state and federal programs only count income and not property when you apply for them??
Maybe the car was a gift. No one knows for sure, not even you. All we can do is assume. But why even do that? Why must you assume that welfare is a joke?? Welfare is a great program with good intentions. The people recieving welfare have tons of DIFFERENT circumstances. Some are justified and some are not. But the one thing they ALL have in common is that people like you put them down and treat them like the scum of the earth. Yes, some really are scum. but not all. California needs to change the welfare system to want it was meant to be, a stepping stool, but it can't afford to do it. I believe welfare should be the first to be on the chopping block. But who will get cut first, the real scum or just the ones you think are scum?? "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 25, 2009 4:15 PM:

" Hey Angie,

Thanks for the info and correction.

I thought this was true about Medicare:

Medicare will not cover routine vision exams;

Medicare will not cover dental care that you need primarily for the health of your teeth.

So what exactly are the Medicare dental and vision benefits you say are being cut?

This is important stuff! "

Con Carne wrote on Jun 25, 2009 6:29 PM:

" Flowerchild? There is a huge difference between "grand mal" seizures, diabetes, and being paralyzed from the neck down. Lets keep this in perspective. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:26 PM:

" To; Alihandero wrote on Jun 25, 2009 4:15 PM

I don't know about cuts in Medicare, but count on a large increase in premiums this year. Because the democrats are doing all they can to convert that into national insurance coverage and when they do, so many people are going to be so disappointed you won't believe it.

That in itself should empty some democrats seats come 2010. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 25, 2009 9:27 PM:

" To; Dandre wrote on Jun 24, 2009 10:53 PM:

" Fred, the Liberal?
How dare you call me names? "

mikeybucs wrote on Jun 26, 2009 4:13 AM:

" To: Alihandero

If somebody receives Social Security Disability and does not exceed income and asset limitations, they can qualify for Medicare and Medi-Cal simultaneously.

I suspect that Angie's folks receive Medicare Part A for free (covering hospital stays) and then receive state Medi-Cal assistance to pay for their Medicare Part B premium (which covers things like doctor visits). The Part B covers 80% of the cost of services, leaving a 20% shortfall to be paid by the patient. Medi-Cal can help cover this shortfall, as well as fill in some of the Medicare coverage gaps, like dental and vision, in lieu of the recipient having some form of Medi-Gap policy (and those supplemental policies aren't cheap for people under 65).

Perhaps the State of California is cutting back on medical and dental services available to Medi-Cal recipients (I'm not familiar with this, but I wouldn't be at all surprised, given our statewide fiscal problems). "

mikeybucs wrote on Jun 26, 2009 5:08 AM:

" To: Con Carne

So your implication here is that certain medical conditions should never be able to qualify someone for disability benefits. Paralyzed from the neck down = disabled, epileptic = not disabled.

I have an uncle who has severe epilepsy. He retired a few years ago after working full-time for 30+ years; medication controlled his seizures with only a few negative episodes over the years. Therefore, my uncle was not permanently disabled. However, if I recall correctly, the pills only control the seizures in about 80% of epileptics. That creates quite a quandary for the remaining 20%. What would you have them do? If you were a prospective employer, would you be eager to take on the liability of hiring somebody with this condition?

I think everybody's situation should be analyzed and adjudged based on its own merits. What is the medical condition? How severe is it? How long will the condition persist? Does it prevent somebody from performing a given amount of work each month? Is it documented with medical evidence? Work history and personal credibility can also be considered. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 26, 2009 10:49 AM:

" To: mikeybucs wrote on Jun 26, 2009 4:13 AM:

You left out the recurring deductible every 90 days that the recipient must pay, some are as high as $1,060.00 every ninety days, that's over $4200.00 per year in deductibles, hardly what I paid when I had private insurance. "

mikeybucs wrote on Jun 26, 2009 3:06 PM:

" To: Watchdog Fred

That's why Medicare recipients need to have Medigap coverage. There are lots of different kinds available (see the Medicare website), and many of them will step in and take care of the corpayment and coinsurance for the patient. My 66-year-old uncle recently had open heart surgery over at Kaweah Delta in Visalia. He had standard Medicare Parts A & B, as well as a Medigap policy. He told me that he was billed nothing for these services (zero for the surgery and aftercare, zero for the rehabilitation therapy).

It gets pricey, though. Even with free Part A, the combined cost of Part B, Part D, and a Medigap policy can easily exceed $300 per month, and I believe that's per person. That's a small price to pay for the peace of mind in knowing you've got the coverage. I just flat out don't trust private health insurance companies -- especially not after Blue Cross denied coverage to my mom for a preexisting condition (hypertension). "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 27, 2009 4:01 PM:

" To: mikeybucs wrote on Jun 26, 2009 3:06 PM:

I can see your feelings regarding private health insurance. But any insurance company presently operating has pre-existing condition clauses. Medicare does as well, so don’t blame it on just the private companies for using, those guidelines, the government does to.

I was simply trying to point out that Medicare is not the end all answer to people’s medical care coverage. It could be the beginning of even more problems for some of those reaching retirement age, who already receive medical care through another means.

It can be a warning for those who think it is the only coverage they will need during their golden years. Once again those years that cost more than the price of Gold to sustain yourself. That isn’t what I was expecting when I was told of the golden years. It gives me a whole new perspective of what my relatives have experienced down through the years. "

Pete wrote on Jun 28, 2009 10:37 AM:

" Talk about selfish people! If we don't reduce these programs, we won't have any money for the illegals. "

mikeybucs wrote on Jun 28, 2009 2:58 PM:

" To: Watchdog Fred

I think we should all look at ourselves as "potentially uninsured" in the present health insurance system. People get a false sense of security when they're healthy, employed in a steady job, and covered by group health insurance at work. Anybody, at any time, can be injured or contract some devastating illness. FMLA only protects one's job for 12 weeks, after which a person can be terminated. COBRA health insurance is exorbitantly expensive relative to regular employer group rates, and it only lasts for 18 months. After that, it's game over with respect to health insurance, as *none* of the private health insurance companies will write a policy for coverage for this person. No coverage, in many cases, equates to a death sentence.

Since we are all subject to this scenario (no matter how much some folks might not want to admit it), we can't allow this to continue. If this administration achieves nothing else, I hope they are able to *dramatically* revamp the health care system in this country. This should be our top national priority. "

mscat40 wrote on Jun 28, 2009 3:15 PM:

" mickeybucs,
I consider myself so far lucky> Being on SSDI I have both medicare, and SSI coverage. My son has SSI coverage too. there are no medicare premiumums to worry about , And the coverage is health net orange. And yes, I am on a lot of perscripton medications.
I do live in low income housing apartments, and I had worked for over 20 years folks. It is easy to be angry and hateful towards the diabled. however, it is not easy to even qualiify for social security in the first place! TO those of you who think it is a walk in the park, think again! you need to be very severely disabled and it has to be perm.
Due to budget cuts, most are aware that welfare, food stamps, Healthy Families , Cal Works, are at risk of be cut off completely. "

Skip wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:07 AM:

" It's really a shame that bad people have made it bad for good people. Because of all the fraud in these programs, it gives a negative outlook for the people who really need help. And I know there are a lot of good people that need financial help because of illness. "

manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 2:18 PM:

" Skip I agree with what you say, but as long as you have people like pete, alihandero whatchdog and the likes of them, you will only read of how they payed cash for their needs, they seem to forget that not all the people are as fortunate as they are "

Bobb wrote on Jun 29, 2009 6:42 PM:

" Mikeybucs; you have sure "hit the nail on the head" here. After I sold my business and retired I could no longer get the business rate for Medical Insurance. I paid over thirty years and now it is almost impossible to get an individual plan. I won't qualify for Medicare for four more years though I qualify for SSI next year. My Cobra is only 18 months so it will go and it is VERY expensive.Insurance companies take premiums all of your life while you are younger then find ways to drop you to help the profit line. Most employers have moved to plans with such high co-pays and deductibles that even a basic plan is now a catastrophic plan. "

Alihandero wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:02 PM:

" Wow!

"manuel" says this:

"Skip I agree with what you say, but as long as you have people like pete, alihandero whatchdog and the likes of them, you will only read of how they payed cash for their needs, they seem to forget that not all the people are as fortunate as they are "

"...they seem to forget that not all the people are as fortunate as they are."

Where do you get off assuming that we ("...and the likes of them") are "fortunate?"

The "we" you mention speak with the voice of experience here, manolo, while you have no established background to speak of.

What, pray tell, is your knowledge base or frame of reference or life experience, eh? Perhaps knowledge of this could provide some credence to the words you manage to assemble here.

Or not, as the case may be. "

LuvBugzMom wrote on Jun 29, 2009 8:36 PM:

" I really do hope that Judy Garcia is reading are comments which we post here~If she is, well she can see how all of us feel about the situation~We have spoke up~She wants answer's well we all want answer's to & want to know why she thinks "she shouldn't have to live in an apartment" since us that have been hit by the economic problems have had to down size are living or money situation~Ms. Garcia is (or at least I think)no different than the rest of us~
I believe that the Welfare system needs to looked into & changed badly~It's our tax money that supporting her among others so I think we deserve to know how come are tax money is being used so careless & etc.
If I have offended people, I am truly sorry for it. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Jun 30, 2009 10:07 AM:

" to manuel, I wish that you have included me with Alihandero, WDF and others, as 99% of the time we agree or at least are on the same boat.

It isn't that we are more fortunate, it is just our opinions, and not a single one of us has declared "throw the bums out". We all recognize that anyone can need a helping hand at one time or another. WDF has been very symphateic in this case.

But I learned early on, that if I can't afford it, I don't really need it. If that meant eating Bologna for Lunch and Dinner, than that is what happened. If it meant that the highlight of the month was having $5 extra to splurge on a Little Ceaser Pizza, than that is what we did.

If this lady needs to make some adjustments and move into an apartment because that is all that she can afford, then so be it. At least she will be in an apartment and not out on the streets. "

watcher wrote on Jun 30, 2009 11:13 AM:

" County, State and Feds are in a hole. A person can't spend their way out of debt. You can't print your own money either. The liberals mind set put this County, State and Federal Government in the position we are all in. People need to care for themselves and not dependent on the Government. IF a person has an illness or disability then I am for helping them. But there are a lot of people that take advantage of the system and generosity of others.Disability should be for the truly disabled not the addicts and the sort. But the true disabled Americans. "

Deb wrote on Jun 30, 2009 2:14 PM:

" I wonder just how many wheel chair accessible apartments there are in Kings County? Seriously...

A friend of mine who is 86 y/o lives in an apartment community - she recently had surgery and her bathroom wouldn't accommodate a walker let alone a wheel chair. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2009 5:32 PM:

" To: manuel wrote on Jun 29, 2009 2:18 PM:


I have no wordly idea where you get your background on people but you sure aren’t listening in the blogs. I would say that all of those people you criticized in your comments worked many years to be in the position that we find ourselves today. Many of us not happy with it, but we live with it, because for most of us it’s what we have.

Secondly, paying your own way, use to be the norm in this country. But because of all the bureaucratic give-a-ways, people become dependant on society to provide them, what they call their civil rights and birth rights. Which is a bunch of hogwash, I don’t say that, what I say is I paid everyone else’s way for thirty-five plus years and paid into a fund then I should be entitled to draw my money and contributions back, when a necessity for income arrives. I paid for your grandpas’ and grandmas’ benefit now you can pay for mine, so I guess I won’t have them lay you off after all Manuel. (Continued) "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jun 30, 2009 5:33 PM:

" Seriously, you don’t know what it is to go to work one day and find out that is the last day you’ll ever work. Especially when you’ve been husky, full of spirit and worked hard and enjoyed hard work all your life. The thing you are forgetting, is people who are disabled, who can’t work, also can’t play, can’t work on hobbies, can’t do a major part of what they use to enjoy working. For some they can’t even do the basic household chores to care for themselves. You, who is healthy and works every day, I assume for the county don’t know what those sacrifices are like and honestly, I hope you never know them. But if you do, you will find you are sympathetic to the issues, you’ll notice for the first time how someone rushes through a door and closes it on a person in a wheel chair/walker. How people crowd around a person on a cane/crutches, instead of allowing him/her ample space to negotiate. How people continually rush in front of you because you are moving too slow to meet their needs, without an excuse me or kiss butt. "

SJT wrote on Jul 3, 2009 3:49 PM:

" Call Representative Costa's office:

1-800-459-1887

Simply ask the operator to connect you to his office, and a staffer will answer. Tell him/her that you support the President's efforts to allow Americans to buy into a public plan which is inclusive to all Americans at a reasonable cost. No American, especially our seniors, should have to live in Canada to access a humane health care system. Then go rent the movie "Sicko" and invite friends to watch it with you. Maybe they'll see that the current system does not work for them either, and hopefully they'll call too.

Imagine the savings counties and employers will enjoy by not having to pay into a system that has proven incredibly expensive, exclusive, inefficient ineffective and very complicated.

Hey Fred.. Dandre says he's buyin'. :) "

watcher wrote on Jul 5, 2009 8:42 AM:

" Who is paying for all of the programs. I give enough in taxes. We are taxed on everything we buy to support programs that fail or are abused. And the the law makers fabricate needs and then put a tax on that, instead of taking care of the real problem. Big brother has stuck his nose in every aspect of our lives. You can't go into a business nor go down the street with out being on two or three security cameras. Just shows you how well the law makers are doing and the crumble of out civilization. Keep watching, it is happening now. We can see it unless we are standing to close to the fire. I went a little crazy. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Jul 22, 2009 8:05 PM:

" To: SJT wrote on Jul 3, 2009 3:49 PM:

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day. It is exactly how they describe Obama's healthcare plan.


"Imagine the savings counties and employers will enjoy by not having to pay into a system that has proven incredibly expensive, exclusive, inefficient ineffective and very complicated." "




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