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Politics Today: It's time for civility

Most Americans thought the 2008 election was decided last November. But here we are, more polarized than ever and fighting, once more, for the democratic will of the majority to be manifested. The divisive, ugly debate about the Democratic proposals to provide real health-insurance reform is not just about quality, affordability and accessibility, it's also about who will govern the country.

Will reason and civil debate decide the outcome? Or will deliberate misinformation and appeals to base emotions decide?

Thomas Jefferson believed strongly that reason would always prevail. "If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form," he declared, "let them stand undisturbed as monuments to the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it."

Was Jefferson correct?

Because today we are witnessing an orchestrated campaign that depends on lies, not reason. And according to the polls, opponents who favor the status quo have achieved some degree of success with their canards. Their objective is not defeating health-insurance reform (though that is sought), but far more importantly, as Republican Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina so gleefully expressed it, to create "Obama's Waterloo."

If they defeat Obama, they defeat the people's will of last November. To this end, a cabal of conservative strategists has directed its minions with instructions to disrupt public meetings and undermine public trust in elected officials -- not, unfortunately, that such an exercise would take great effort. We all know the U.S. Congress, as an institution, suffers badly in public opinion polls.

A look at what is being put out there by the leading opponents of health-insurance reform reveals a consistent message of deliberate untruth: Obama aspires to be a dictator, and your elected Democratic officials cannot be trusted. They want to kill old people; Obamacare is but a first step in taking away your freedom and destroying the American way of life as you know it.

This unsavory attempt to using distortion and fear to bring about a stampede of unfavorable public opinion is being waged by the very same people who "swiftboated" the 2004 presidential campaign of Sen. John F. Kerry. Thanks to them, we once again are seeing death threats to public officials and even a revival of racist armed militias.

Critics of the health-insurance plans now under consideration in Congress have turned town hall meetings into veritable rumbles, shouting down and shutting out any opinion save their own. They have manipulated the media into covering the dramatic, to the exclusion of fairness, and leaving unreported ideas offered in civility and reason. The folks shutting down town hall gatherings through intimidation and anger are shutting democracy itself.

Winston Churchill once said of an opponent, "The Honorable Member is never lucky in the coincidence of his facts with the truth." Such is the case in all we have seen and heard for weeks; none of the so-called facts proclaimed by those opposing reform are consistent with the truth. They offer the public a fictitious "death panel," a nonexistent march to "Nazi-style socialism" and false reports of administration calls to turn one's neighbors into the police.

Sadly, America needs real health-insurance reform. We also need to engage in honest debates about the future of our economy and all its parts. We cannot become a global leader in any sector if we fail to invest in education, health care, energy and technology.

So here we are, eight months later, at the same crossroads we arrived at Nov. 4. We the people spoke then. We need to speak now, not in raised voices, but in a clear and strong, reasonable voice.

Are we done with stacking public meetings to the point where the opposition is excluded, literally?

I ask you, in fact, I implore you, to ask yourself, will you help lead this civil discussion about America's future?

(Sept. 1, 2009)

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Alihandero wrote on Sep 1, 2009 4:20 PM:

" What's this now?

Donna Brazile herself is now quoting WHO?

"Winston Churchill once said of an opponent,
"The Honorable Member is never lucky in the coincidence of his facts with the truth."

Even the ever-opinionated Obama lover Brazile uses Churchill references just like I did.

Lets see if someone like, say, Paul or SJT criticizes her - bet they won't unless prompted! "

Devil's Advocate wrote on Sep 1, 2009 9:11 PM:

" Funny, I thought I opposed the healthcare bill and its various amendments because they pay for abortions, give government an unprecedented of access into our private lives, and ration (limit) healthcare.

Odd thing: All I had to do was pay attention to the democratic lawmakers to figure that out. Nobody told me to feel any particular way.

Though on being called a "minion": that's got to be a whole new level of condescension. "

retirednavyvet wrote on Sep 2, 2009 12:05 PM:

" Has anyone brought up the idea of going after the fraud within the medical industry? There is so much fraud in almost every aspect of medical care. Think of all the false claims submitted every day by doctors and insurance companies. Has anyone tried to figure out how much money can be saved by just taking care of the fraud? And how about putting a cap on prices for surgical procedures; prices vary from coast to coast. I'm all for medical care reform, but lets start by going after fraud. I wouldn't be surprised if the government could cut the cost of treatment and coverage by billions. "

jeff ff wrote on Sep 4, 2009 10:45 AM:

" "Funny, I thought I opposed the healthcare bill and its various amendments because they pay for abortions, give government an unprecedented of access into our private lives, and ration (limit) healthcare."

Abortions - what page on any of the bills being discussed is this said?

give government an unprecedented of access into our private lives - Is this anything like giving the govt the ability to listen to our phone calls, break into our homes for no real reason? Also what page is this stated in any bill being discussed?

ration (limit) healthcare - on what page of any of the bills being discussed is this located?

Also lets be clear here, none of this in anyways is socialized medicine. If the original bill H.R. 3400 passed as is this could never be socialized medicine. Hospitals would not be owned by the state, Doctors, nurses and all other medical employees would not be employed by the state. At best you could make a claim that this was socialized health insurance. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 4, 2009 6:31 PM:

" Jeff, I suppose you also don't believe that are tax money promotes abortions in other countries even though Obama ordered it to happen. "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 5, 2009 4:15 PM:

" Hey "jeff," since you read the entire bill, could I ask some related questions?

Will the Obamacare plan have FREE health insurance in the public plan, or will it cost real money to purchase it?

Also, will the plan have mandatory insurance deductibles in cash, or will there be none at all?

Also, what do you think about the Feds establishing regional or local health care clinics for the poor and disadvantaged and undocumented illegals?

Good idea or not?

These are not trick questions "jeff" and I seriously want to listen to your opinion on these things.

Thanks. "

Wacky! wrote on Sep 6, 2009 12:38 AM:

" Thankfully,

This is the kind of debate that was asked for!

Here's an anecdotal question for you;

If you crash your car while driving down the Las Vegas Strip, and you were pinned in the car, should the Fire Department respond and free you from your wrecked car?
You pay no taxes to the Las Vegas Fire Department. Should they bill you? Should you be forced to have Fire Department Insurance before they extricate you?

Why is it Okay to have "socialized" fire departments and police departments where we are all okay with our tax dollars going to someone who needs it, but not for healthcare.

Aren't safety and health of equal priority?

I don't see much difference. I am willing to pay more than the current $14,000 per year that I am currentlypaying to my shotty insurance company to ensure that EVERYONE gets the care that they need!

Thanks, "

manuel wrote on Sep 6, 2009 8:46 PM:

" Jeff did you forget it was Bush/Cheney who were listening to our phone calls for security reasons, did you complain then? "

jeff ff wrote on Sep 8, 2009 8:48 AM:

" ToldYouSo, instead of trying to answer the questions you decide to change the point of the argument? Why are you doing this? Is it because you can’t answer my questions? I suspect it’s much like how you discredited the Betsy McCaughey interview on the Daily Show that I posted a link for. Your stance seemed to be that the show is completely void of any credibility which would mean that Betsy McCaughey is void of it as well using your logic since she was on the show. I’m glad to know you don’t believe Obama to be a Kenyan.

Alex, the same basically goes for you as well. When you answer my questions I will answer yours.

Manuel, no I didn’t forget – the fact that Bush/Cheney did this is the only reason I mentioned it – and yes I did complain at the time. Asking me these questions shows that you have no idea what kind of person I am and that you’re making false assumptions about me. "

jeff ff wrote on Sep 8, 2009 10:51 AM:

" ToldYouSo, I just realized I made a faux pas of sorts in my recent comment to you when I said “I’m glad to know you don’t believe Obama to be a Kenyan” in reference to Betsy McCaughey. I was thinking about Orly Taitz when I wrote that because I just had a conversation with someone about her. This leads us to a very interesting point though. Since you believe The Daily Show to lack any credibility you must believe people on that show do as well hence you think Betsy McCaughey is void of any – of course I already made this point, here comes the interesting part. This would mean you don’t believe in “Death Panels” or any of the other nonsense that the town hall meeting folks are shouting. This is good to hear. "

SJT wrote on Sep 8, 2009 1:06 PM:

" Hyde Amendment would be overridden by verbiage in HR 3200? It's a provision barring the use of federal funds to pay for abortions, passed into law in '76. Is this some conspiracy that Democrats will sneak into the halls of Congress at 3 a.m. and insert a new provision (sounds like something a Republican Congress would do)? How will that work? "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 8, 2009 2:59 PM:

" RE: Obamacare healthcare details

That is my point exactly, "jeff."

You don't know and
I don't know.

America doesn't know.

Thanks for your opinion. "

Devil's Advocate wrote on Sep 8, 2009 5:29 PM:

" The Hyde Amendment prohibits MEDICARE funding from being spent on abortion with exceptions in cases of incest, rape, or to save the life of the mother. It was passed because existing Medicare legislation allowed for the provision of "reproductive health services", which the COURTS decided included abortion. Hence, the Hyde amendment was passed to counter.
HR 3200 references "reproductive health services" repeatedly. We KNOW the courts interpret that phrase to include abortion, per Hyde history.
Amendments to HR 3200 have included the following: 1) Language upholding the Hyde Amendment as it applies to MEDICARE only - PASSED. 2) Language mirroring the Hyde amendment that would be applied to insurance options created by HR 3200 - FAILED. 3) Language requiring multiple plans: one providing abortion and one that doesn't (thereby expanding abortion over the status quo) - PASSED. 4) The "Capp Amendment" prohibits "federal money" from being used for abortion, but makes no restriction on money paid in as premiums (therefore, if you buy into the public option, you are paying for someone's abortion with premiums). - PASSED. MOST OF THESE AMENDMENTS WERE CONSIDERED AND VOTES TAKEN ON THE SAME DAY. "

Devil's Advocate wrote on Sep 8, 2009 5:42 PM:

" As far as intrusion goes, I'd look to Section 1401. Look specifically at the powers granted the Comparative Effective Research Commission, a new Federal agency. "

formerhanfordguy wrote on Sep 9, 2009 3:03 AM:

" The right wing is rabid... they hate the fact that we have a black president... they wan't to see him fail, they wan't too see this country fail! How sad! "

jeff ff wrote on Sep 9, 2009 9:41 AM:

" Alex,

If your point is that you “Don’t know” about the health care reform bills than what are you mad about exactly? If you “Don’t know” what’s in it or what it says than what is there for you to not like? Please do not speak for me. I have read the bill and I do know what it says and many other Americans have as well. The ones who haven’t read it are the ones doing the most complaining. "

Paul wrote on Sep 9, 2009 11:01 AM:

" Alihandero wrote on Sep 1, 2009 4:20 PM:

"Even the ever-opinionated Obama lover Brazile uses Churchill references just like I did."

As any GOOD TEACHER would know, the first rule of any debate is to stay on task. In other words, if we are debating say, health care, then one SHOULD NOT start talking about the price of liver.

In her article, Donna makes referance to Thomas Jefferson, Republican Sen. Jim DeMint, Sen. John F. Kerry, and of course, Winston Churchill.
So any further discussion could include any/or all of those people mentioned.

It didn't however, mention ANYTHING about former Prime Minister Tony Blair. Hence, Tony Blair SHOULD NOT be mentioned.

In the article about what FDR could "teach" President Obama there was NO MENTION about what Winston Churchill could teach President Obama. Someone did not stay on task. And then feelings are hurt.

Then you are not having a debate anymore, but a free for all. Kinda' like those people at the townhall meetings that don't "debate" rather they just scream.

This is America not some third world country. "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 9, 2009 4:52 PM:

" @ Paul,
...who said
"And then feelings are hurt."

I am very sorry that your feelings are hurt, "Paul."

But when you call this a "debate," I have to correct you once again.

This is a valuable online forum or opinion/commentary hosted by the public-minded Hanford Sentinel - not the formal debate you allude to.

After all, " Paul," you are correct when you said:
"This is America not some third world country."

Though for how much longer I do not know.

_______________


@ jeff (or is it jeff ff?)

Sorry to inform you but the Truth begins right here in the Congressional Record:

HR 3200 IH
111th CONGRESS
1st Session

H. R. 3200

"To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes."

The " other purposes " . . . liberal progressive, socialist purposes . . .do you have an inkling what are they all about "Jeff?"

I guess you do, you really do! "

Paul wrote on Sep 10, 2009 1:07 PM:

" Alihandero wrote on Sep 9, 2009 4:52 PM:

I am very sorry that your feelings are hurt, "Paul."

After all, " Paul," you are correct when you said:
"This is America not some third world country."

When I mentioned "hurt feelings" ali... I was referring to you. Remember the word "pompous?" You member.

I'm surprised we are still have a debate on how to argue a point and make sense.

It's almost as bad as republicans who want to include their views about "guns" and believe that its the same thing as health care.

And I "promise" I know that this is a place for forums or opinions/commentaries. Or are you going to call me "A Lier" like the republican (idiot) who called President Obama that during his speech to AMERICA. And of course, he said he said that because he let his "emotions" get the best of him. I think its his "feelings."

Glad to know that the republicans have started a trend. Screaming, waving signs

Next thing we'll be having fist fights like they do in third world countries.

Thanks republicans, oh, and "independents." "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 10, 2009 6:23 PM:

" Let's get something straight, it was rude for him to yell out that Obama is a liar. However, Obama is a liar. It was a very true statement at an inappropriate time. "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 10, 2009 8:59 PM:

" Once again I am sorry "Paul" but I don't stoop to name-calling and never called you "pompous" or even an "idiot" in this topic or elsewhere.

And you didn't attack me personally at any time did you? If you still consider this to be a debate, consider the first rule of debating: Don't attack the man; attack the issue.

If so that would be against the Sentinel's Rules of the Road and would be appropriately withheld by Jackie, our online moderator.

Once again, sorry for the hurt feelings if you so feel that way.

And remaining on topic:

Ms. Brazile says this:

"Are we done with stacking public meetings to the point where the opposition is excluded, literally?"

That very public meeting last night: Obama's speech to both House and Senate AND the American People:

Wasn't that one really one big stacked public meeting where the opposition was excluded?

Perhaps Obama someday will be called "The Great Communicator."

Wait - that name is already taken.

Nevermind. "

Paul wrote on Sep 11, 2009 1:06 PM:

" ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 10, 2009 6:23 PM:

" Let's get something straight, it was rude for him to yell out that Obama is a liar. However, Obama is a liar. It was a very true statement at an inappropriate time. "

"You lie" came right after President Obama said that in the bill, people that were here illegally WOULD NOT be covered. And that is what is says. Plain and simple. It's in black and white. Can you show me where "exactly" and on "what page" it says that America or the Gov't is going to "pay" or "cover" illegals? If you have read it, I mean.

And that is good enough for me.

But if you want, then by all means "see" it your way.

I think this point has been covered enough to satisfy the majority of Americans. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 11, 2009 8:20 PM:

" I know this is hard for our die-hard brainwashed Obama followers to believe, but he is a liar. I don't really care what he said about his health care plan that day, I'm making a general true statement that he routinely tells lies to further his positions, career, and to mislead the public. If you want some NEW examples, just listen to him some more. "

Deb wrote on Sep 11, 2009 8:42 PM:

" As usual it's really obvious that most if not all the varying comments will never influence another person here. But, I would like to add for those who want government out of their business for it to work and then we need to get business out of the government or because as it is the elected representatives remain proxies for corporate interests and government remains a tool for corporate initiatives.

The health insurance industry's business model is contrary to the needs of the customer and because "health care can't be marketed like computers or dare I say, milk. The Health insurance industry can never successfully be considered a free market model especially when insurance is a benefit with great tax consequences for employers.

DeRegulation does not work - look to the failures. Regulation on the other hand does not work either... And regulation would never be tolerated because of the huge lobbies.

To believe it's simple is incomprehensible. To be a part of the worlds richest country and not recognize how we treat others is also incomprehensible.

Have a great weekend everyone - even the right wingers. "

not so fast wrote on Sep 12, 2009 7:00 PM:

" So far this has been a winding road in discussions. However, there should be some clarity in what is being discussed.

First, someone asked how much waste there is in the current system. You essentially are paying the health insurance agency to be the middle person between you and your doctor. The price for that? Over 300 BILLION dollars last year...for being a middle man. Average overhead? 30%. Medicare/Medicaid overhead? 3.4%.

The other point to consider is that there are 3 bills currently being considered...with a fourth sbeing written now in the senate. So when any person says the have "read the bill," which bill are they speaking of? HR 3200? HR 956? They aren't the same.

Until ONE bill comes out with stipulations of how it is to be run, and paid for, this discussion is a partisan bickering with no point. "

manuel wrote on Sep 14, 2009 12:12 PM:

" Toldyouso and your cohorts, can you name one politician that has not lied to get elected, it seems the only one you can remember is Obama, let me help you BUSH/CHENEY "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Sep 14, 2009 1:05 PM:

" to manuel,

You obviously have a short memory. Because I for one have stated over and over that I don't trust any of today's politicians. I have stated over and over that they forget what their job title is, and they only look out for number 1, themselves, instead of serving those whom elected them into service. "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 14, 2009 5:16 PM:

" not so fast wrote on Sep 12, 2009 7:00 PM:

"The other point to consider is that there are 3 bills currently being considered...with a fourth sbeing written now in the senate. So when any person says the have "read the bill," which bill are they speaking of? HR 3200? HR 956? They aren't the same."

So WHAT BILL did Obama defend in his address to Congress anyway?

No lies, now! "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 14, 2009 7:52 PM:

" manuel wrote on Sep 14, 2009 12:12 PM:

" Toldyouso and your cohorts, can you name one politician that has not lied to get elected, it seems the only one you can remember is Obama, let me help you BUSH/CHENEY "

Are you kidding me here, who committed perjury at the Federal level and was even punished for it by his home state... your buddy Bill Clinton. However, I really do agree, lots of them lie so why are all the Democrats here trying to pathetically protect Obama by saying he is NOT lying when we all know that he is. Truth must really hurt. "

Deb wrote on Sep 14, 2009 9:03 PM:

" Alihandero - check out whitehouse.gov and then follow the prompts to go to the health care outline the President wants. "

roflcopter wrote on Sep 15, 2009 9:46 AM:

" it does not matter what health care the governments will give us we only need gods health plan, all you need to do is realize that youre worthless without him the lord jesus ghost saving christ and if you just do the living of your life in a way to get closer to him then when you die you will be getting into heavin and thats all you need "

not so fast wrote on Sep 15, 2009 2:38 PM:

" Alihandero, Obama is promoting what he wants to see in the bill. The congress publishes the bill for his signature. He needs to set (as he did) broad guidelines for what he things should be in the bill and then let the lawmakers work out the details.

In the piece by Bob Dole (here in the Sentinel) he highlights another approach to this where the president does present a staw man bill to be used as a start. This bill, however, will be changed to fit what the lawmakers would like it to be.

There are goods and bads with that approach. While it ties you down to a specific plan that may not make it through which can provide ammunition for opponents, it also can tie the hands of the congress in their approach to it.

Setting the agenda with input on what he believes should be included can work if the petty bickering will stop and work get done. "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 15, 2009 3:01 PM:

" I see, friend roflcopter, that you followed Deb's sage advice!

Good for you. "




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