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Pioneer district opposes zoning near Frontier School

Pioneer School District officials are opposing proposed zoning that would allow an apartment complex, in addition to a single-family subdivision, across the street from Frontier School.

Officials say the development would create a level of traffic too dangerous for pupils and a population growth too high for the school to handle.

The district's concerns may complicate the approval process that city land use policy considers to be a desirable development near Grangeville Boulevard and Centennial Drive, an area close to Hanford's new educational center as well as its commercial areas.

Despite the concerns, Cal Clark Farms' proposal for a general plan amendment and rezoning for its property has been cleared by the city Planning Commission. The commission has voted to recommend the proposal. The Hanford City Council is scheduled to vote on the matter next week.

Debate about the proposed zoning change for the future development is expected to take center stage during Tuesday's public hearing.




All but one of the planning commissioners who attended the Aug. 25 meeting supported the proposal. Commissioner Russell Nabors, who opposed the move, could not be reached for comment this week.

At issue is the proposed general plan amendment that would allow a 4.4-acre multi-family residential development at Berkshire and Centennial in addition to a 35-acre single-family housing development north of Berkshire.

There is no indication as to how fast the land owner would move on the projects as the housing market remains in a slump and no specific plans have been submitted to the city. While city officials say the zoning change would satisfy city policy calling for more affordable housing, school officials say it conflicts with their interest.

Meanwhile, families from the Frontier School area are caught in the crosshairs of the city's transformation. One parent said she would welcome single-dwelling houses, but she said apartments make poor neighbors for the elementary school.

"My first concern is the impacted enrollment we'd have at the school. My other concern is the safety factor on the sidewalk that sits at the southwest corner of Berkshire and Centennial," said Karri Thompson, whose son attends Frontier. "That sidewalk feeds right into the 4.4 acres where the developer wants to build some kind of high-density dwellings. With apartments, you'll have a lot of parking and you'll have cars pulling out in that area."

Thompson was among 10 parents who showed up to the Aug. 25 commission meeting to protest the proposal. She said she was unhappy with how the commission handled the proposal.

"What was most disturbing about that meeting was that Cal Clark did not have any specific plan, and the city Planning Commission, without having any plans in front of them, OK'd it," Thompson said. "I thought that was unfair for the citizens."

Diane Cox, superintendent of the Pioneer Union Elementary School District, echoed Thompson's concerns and said the school, which is barely a year old, was built based on the city master plan calling for single-family houses, not apartments.

"We built our school with a capacity of 104 single family dwellings. It's not built out yet around us, but we did not have in our plan that we would have multi-family dwellings, which would definitely increase that number," Cox said.

Cox added that the school district also is concerned about traffic safety in the area. 

"Last year we had over 200 cars pass through the intersection of Berkshire and Centennial each morning and afternoon, so whatever the project might be, it would increase the traffic," she said.

Because of budget cuts, the school stopped busing students. There are more students walking and more cars, Cox said.

Reactions from Frontier parents and the school district surprised and even befuddled some city officials.

"We had not received any information from anybody (before the Aug. 25 meeting). I was especially surprised that the school district had not contacted us," said Cathy Cain, Hanford's planning manager.

Cain said developing the property as an apartment complex could mean approximately four times as many dwelling units as a single-family subdivision. But it may not mean more children.

That's because the developer is interested in building a high-end senior apartment complex on the parcel, in which case there would be no children, thus solving the school district's concern.

There is no guarantee, however, because Cal Clark Farms has yet to submit any plan.

From the city planners' point of view, a multi-family development makes the most sense for the property, Cain said.

Whether it's a family apartment complex or a senior apartment complex, it would still meet all land use policies in the city general plan that call for the type of developments near major streets and job and service centers, Cain said. Also, the constraints of the corner property make it difficult to build regular single-family houses, she said.

The reporter can be reached at 583-2429.

(Sept. 11, 2009)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

Bobb wrote on Sep 11, 2009 11:39 AM:

" Ms. Cain was "surprised" that no one had contacted them about the development prior to the Aug. 25 meeting? Clark did not even have a plan on file and the development was approved. Now they say they want to build apartments instead of single family houses and there is not even a plan submitted for this. They may change their minds in the future and decide to build something else. What I am trying to convey is that the Planning Commission needs a solid plan of what the development is going to be BEFORE public comment. Just saying we are going to build something here in the future is not a good plan. Even Ms. Cain says there is "no guarantee" as to what will be built. "

herewego wrote on Sep 11, 2009 11:42 AM:

" "School officials say it conflicts with their interest"

I'm sure it does. Pioneer is worried that an apartment complex would bring low-income housing and thus low-income students to their district. This would then burst their bubble about being some great school district and show us all that there school district is "better" just because of the part of town that it's in. Suck it up Pioneer, live life like the rest of us. "

Bobb wrote on Sep 11, 2009 7:45 PM:

" herewego; there was nothing about not building low income single family housing. The original plan was for single family houses, now apartments, which could also be condos for high income persons. The point is that the developer needs to let the community know what they are going to build on the site BEFORE the plan is approved so residents may comment. Even Ms. Cain said the is NO GARUNTEE that apartments would be built, low income or otherwise. It is just an open approval for SOMETHING to be built. I like the idea about senior apartments but there is no guarantee of that either. Controlled development must adhere to a Master Plan and not be an open book on what the developer wants to build at the time. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 11, 2009 9:05 PM:

" As an aboserver to this mess, the principal seems to only want to supervise and teach a certain element of student at Pioneer.

She does not want to have to deal with low income families living in an apartment adjacent to her school. I thought educators and administration types in particular were to have no biased opinions and to reject no student qualified to attend their school?

Then this blatant opinion surfaces of Ms. Cain and what she expects of the city and the school board to protect her terf and its student body from the less fortunate element in the city.

First off, I think such an opinionated biased representative of the administration of the Pioneer School District has no business operating or being in charge in the Kings County School District. Her resignation would be gladly accepted by those of us who remember the 1960's and the busing that was a just cause of people's inability to allow people their rights to a free and unbiased education.

The mere fact that apartments are built does not devalue the education at Pioneer, in fact it just might enhance it! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 11, 2009 9:12 PM:

" I say build what is needed and if it is apartments for families with children or seniors either one, build it and allow them the opportunity to live and breathe the same air you do in your community Ms. Cain.

Ms. Cain is fortunate enough to have a one year old school to manage and now wishes to dictate to the building commission of the city who helped fund the building project who else may build and what they may build, is ludicrous.

The State of California in its approval of building the school did not specify apartment buildings were tabu, or somehow unauthorized buildings in the vicinity.

To ensenuate that with apartments comes lower income families is an unfair assumption in the first place. What would Ms Cain do suggest all low income apartments be built south of Hanford Armona Road? That children from lower income families somehow don't possess the ability to learn and be educated? It is this type of thinking that has driven the wedge that exists between Pioneer School District and Lincoln School District. But you drained our pockets for taxes and bonds to build your biased school. "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 11, 2009 9:45 PM:

" Bobb: What's going on here is a little adjustment of land uses by Mr. Clark. The block of land in question got reduced in size by the acquisition by the city of the water plant . What remains is not practical for a single family project so it appears Mr. Clark is pursuing something more logical for the site. A plan was submitted because there was one in the Sentinel article. The lack of notification is a little puzzling, but other than that, it sems like a normal petition for a change in land use. "

Mrs.D wrote on Sep 11, 2009 10:48 PM:

" Well, the apartments will also lower the property values of the homes that are already there, folks. Plus, all the traffic that'll surround the school when the kids are trying to walk to and from school everyday. There is still some good farm land there around Frontier. It could be better used for something other than more buildings.

Hey, herewego, why don't you tell us where you live and let the city build low income apartments around your humble abode. I hope Watchdog Fred is one of your neighbors. "

HereWeGo wrote on Sep 11, 2009 11:44 PM:

" Bobb: Take this quote, "One parent said she would welcome single-dwelling houses, but she said apartments make poor neighbors for the elementary school." Or this one: "While city officials say the zoning change would satisfy city policy calling for more affordable housing, school officials say it conflicts with their interest." As for saying it would just be seniors, please, actually read the article, because it also says, "There is no guarantee, however, because Cal Clark Farms has yet to submit any plan."

Fred: Approximately what percentage of elementary aged children have you come across who lived in apartments that weren't socioeconomically disadvantaged? You complain about the liberals in this area, but it must be nice to be able to preach from the top of your conservative pulpit without fear of reprecussion. "

stophating wrote on Sep 12, 2009 8:02 AM:

" If you check district maps you will see there is low income housing in Pioneer district. Many migrant children attend in the district, too. Pioneer is not great because it gets to "hand-pick" it's students, it's great because of the level of commitment by the parents, students, staff, and community.
I believe the point of Pioneer's opposition was not that low income housing was going in, it was that 4x the amount than originally proposed was going in. I think ANY district faced with the same situation would oppose.
I don't understand this mentality of tearing down someone or something because they do well. Would it make you feel better if the district did poorly? Would you be happy to know that kids were failing? So sad. "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 12, 2009 10:16 AM:

" Note to Fred- Cathy Cain works for the CITY. Diane Cox works for PIONEER and nowhere in the article does she say ANYTHING about low income housing. She only comments on a change in development density which affects them as a school district. Furthermore, the developer said he was interested in SENIOR housing so there should be minimal to no impact on Pioneer. Work on your reading comprehension before you go on a rant blasting good people. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 12, 2009 12:15 PM:

" I wish I could say I'm surprised by Ms. Cains pathetic answers, but it goes right along with their voting on this change without any regard to Frontier or the residents near the school or their duties to keep Hanford a great place to live. The property values have dropped like a brick near the new school and it does not benefit any of the residents to put in some trashy or soon to be trashy apartments which would reduce property values even more, add trafic congestion to the school and the existing family oriented neighborhood, all to make some rich and uncaring people even richer. I remember back when Fresno officials were changing all these types of land use requirements for the "benefit" of Fresno, then we all found out the only ones benefitting were the Fresno planning people. I wonder if they are all out of jail by now. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:31 PM:

" To: Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 12, 2009 10:16 AM:

Don't even get me on the subject of your ranting and raving Carl. That could be a text book full of entries simply copied and pasted.

I may make an occassional error in judgement but yours seems to be never ending and always in support of those butts you so wish to cmack. To better provide you the contacts to make your own personal business a success.

I have not profitable business to provide comfort and growth, my comments come from the heart not the pocket book or the balance sheet. So let the readership speak for itself.

I do not care what Ms. Cain's position of authority is it is quite obvious she contains a significant biased against apartment dwellers, or any change in the current make up of the housing surrounding Pioneer.

As for the apartments being for seniors that is even better, I may rent one. What's next social-economic check points? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:35 PM:

" To: Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 12, 2009 10:16 AM: Why should anyone from the School District be allowed to dictate who and who may not attend school in a School District less than a year in operation? These comments are all about biased opinionism. Masked in a caring mode for the safety of children.

Diane Cox, superintendent of the Pioneer Union Elementary School District, echoed Thompson's concerns and said the school, which is barely a year old, was built based on the city master plan calling for single-family houses, not apartments.

"We built our school with a capacity of 104 single family dwellings. It's not built out yet around us, but we did not have in our plan that we would have multi-family dwellings, which would definitely increase that number," Cox said.

Cox added that the school district also is concerned about traffic safety in the area. "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:55 PM:

"

Fred, Cain works for the city who (so far) is in favor of the general plan amendment. Soooo, what are you talking about?

I think you are so conflicted on this that your head is spinning. You hate to see a developer get richer but you would love to see low income apartments in north Hanford. Confusing isn't it?
"

Bobb wrote on Sep 12, 2009 2:48 PM:

" ToldYouSo' A jog down memory lane. "Operation Rezone" and those who participated. Those memories of the past do come back. HereWeGo; read my post again---- I said the same thing as you accuse me of overlooking, it could be apartments but no one knows for sure as a plan was not submitted as to what actually would be built. Carl; thanks for the info. I did not know Clark had submitted a plan BEFORE the City bought the land for the water facility. Just the same, when there is a change in density or usage people living in the area have a right to participate. In these times of struggling home values a new development change could directly affect a residents home value. "

HereWeGo wrote on Sep 12, 2009 3:58 PM:

" Does anyone find the irony in MrsD assuming I live in an affluent part of town? "

Mrs.D wrote on Sep 13, 2009 12:39 AM:

" RE: stophating, Thank you! A lot of the fundraising we do ourselves. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 13, 2009 6:56 PM:

" To: Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 12, 2009 1:55 PM:
Why are you so hung up on Cain, because I lambasted her in my first comments, because for a mere moment I had her confused with the actual crusader for democracy Cox. Pun intended, of course.

Anyone connected with the city or the school district who openly and demonstatively discriminates against anyone, apartment dwellers or low income should not be in the position they are in. Point blank to the subject; if you are not prepared to instruct and educate children of all incomes then you should not be teaching/administering in public education Carl, the keyword here is Public, what makes up public, we all do kind sir and it is against our laws as a state and nation to discriminate based upon race, creed, religion and yes even income. Because for many of us Race/Income are related to one another. This is all nice and proper and so forth that Cox feels that she should have been forwarned that apartment dwellers of a significantly less income than she might attend her school. Next, are we gonna refuse students from LNAS, as outsiders? "

Joe Friday wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:14 PM:

" If memory serves correctly didn't Mr. Clark sell the property to Pioneer to build the school? Wasn't the district charged a premium price (about 250,000 per acre) since the area was going to be high dollar homes and the owner wanted fair market value? What would apartments do to the property value of area residents?

Does the City of Hanford still have a land use policy in the General Plan that calls for lower density housing near the edge of the city? How do you build high density apartments less than one half mile from the 13th Ave urban boundary and still meet this requirement? "

WATCHDOG FRED wrote on Sep 13, 2009 11:44 PM:

" Mrs.D wrote on Sep 11, 2009 10:48 PM:

" Well, the apartments will also lower the property values of the homes that are already there, folks. Plus, all the traffic that'll surround the school when the kids are trying to walk to and from school everyday. There is still some good farm land there around Frontier. It could be better used for something other than more buildings.

It's far too late to consider the farm land at this point. The farmland has already been foresaken at this point and buildings and sports fields take its place in the community.

I just wondered if perhaps Ms. Cox had promised her counterparts that there would not be socioeconomically challenged students allowed in her school? She promised all the teachers none of those grade robbing misfits in her calculations for the state exams and tests. "

cynic wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Before you start claiming that Pioneer teaches only the elite - check out the district boundary map. Don't SOUND like you know what you're talking about KNOW what you're talking about. "

cynic wrote on Sep 14, 2009 12:40 PM:

" OK - Hold on Fred - first of all - who are these "counterparts" of Dr. Cox you elude to? And what are you talking about when you say "She promised all the teachers none of those grade robbing misfits in her calculations for the state exams and tests"? Were you at meeting where this was "promised" to teachers? You state this as a fact - how about backing it up? "

Amanda R wrote on Sep 14, 2009 8:51 PM:

" How do schools in Lemoore (Cinnamon Elementary, Meadow Lane Elementary, P.W. Engvall) do with apartments for neighbors? It's not the end of the world, right? "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 14, 2009 10:23 PM:

" Fred: Put on your reading glasses, re-read the article and tell me where exactly Ms. Cox says anything about the socio-economic makeup of the proposed apartment dwellers. After you do that, I do expect a complete apology to Ms. Cox for your misguided and distasteful comments. "

teacher wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:17 PM:

" As a member of Silver Oaks I cant believe I was not notified of such a development. My family purchased in this area because of the large lots and single family housing that is the make up of Silver Oaks. As if our property values have not dropped enough now the city has approved multi-family housing/high density residential living. It wasn't that long ago I recall their being a huge issue in regards to Vineyard estates not being properly notified of changes in their immediate vicinity. I am not sure on the law but shouldn't we have any say? Since our area seems to have the highest property taxes in the city? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Sep 15, 2009 12:59 PM:

" to all

Why doesn't Hanford just incorporate all areas that Pioneer schools are located, and then assimilate all of the schools into the Hanford Elementary school district, then no questions about low incomne/rich snobs etc.

I came from an area where one school district had more schools and students then the entirety of Kings County. Yet here you have a multitude of school districts with all of the extra administrative staff costs, and not one of them can get together and have the same schedule for the school year.

Just because you do build apartments doesn't mean that each one of the apartments will be families with school age children. Some dwellers might be a married couple just starting out. Some might be personnel from NAS Lemoore, and others might be older residents looking for a way out of having to maintain a single family dwelling. I would think single family dwellings would be more of a possible burden on the school then apartments. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Sep 15, 2009 1:03 PM:

" to all

continuing from my previous thread that I hope makes it through.

Can any of you "old" timers tell me why the city of Hanford has 3 seperate school districts? Or there might even be more, and if so, just please inform me and not attack me.

For as my moniker implies, I "ain't" from around here.

What would happen if Hanford did incorporate all of the Pioneer school district? And why hasn't it?

For those of us looking in from the outside, it does appear that too many of the "Pioneer" people think they are a better class then the rest of us. Just remember the Mrs. D statement of fact that only Pioneer students would be attending the new high school. "

stophating wrote on Sep 15, 2009 5:30 PM:

" Watchdog Fred: From where do you get your "facts"? Check out the district stats! Pioneer district has plenty of socio-economically challenged students. Not to mention plenty of migrant, EL, and special ed. And why do you assume those are the students who bring down scores? Your comment about "grade robbing misfits" is despicable! You insult every hard working emplyee of that district, from the principals to the grounds staff, with your disrespectful words. Do you have personal knowledge of any of this? Or are you so jaded that you can't believe a school could do well with a VARIETY of students? The days of Pioneer district serving wealthy dairy owners and Vintage Estates is long over. Now it's time for you to get over it too! "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 16, 2009 6:28 PM:

" Everybody purchased their homes/land in this area based on single family residential zoning, now we have one very very rich land owner trying to milk out even more money for one parcel at the expense of all nearby land owners and our children. How can this one person have superior land rights to the hundreds of other home owners against this change. The Hanford planning is utterly pathetic to allow this and so is our city council. I only trust one person on the council and he voted for the people and did his job correctly, everybody else voted money, money, and to support the good ol boy syndrome. Come next election time you can all get one vote from Clark but I'm voting for some new blood and hope everybody in this area has seen clearly that this is not Our council, but Clarks. Anyone who doesn't understand what we are upset about obviously doesn't care about their family or community. I remember the city attorney and Zumwalt rep were a little offended last night just imagine if they lived adjacent to this parcel.. its all about the money. "

Hmmm... wrote on Sep 17, 2009 8:10 PM:

" WatchDOG Fred:
What's the matter, Cat got your tongue? Pun intended. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 18, 2009 2:30 PM:

" To: ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 16, 2009 6:28 PM:

We see this in a totally different light. What I see is the masses trying to dictate to one individual what to do with his piece of property. Which as far as I know is against every law in the land when it comes to property ownership. As long as this property owner follows the planning commissions rules and regulations there is nothing any of the other property owners should have to say about what he/she does with this piece of property. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 18, 2009 7:03 PM:

" To Watchdog, I agree with what you are saying in most cases, but here he is asking for a change in existing zoning that negatively impacts adjacent land owners who have EQUAL land rights. If they approved putting in a sewer treatment plant next door to you wouldn't you feel a right to complain? "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 18, 2009 9:40 PM:

" Yeah Fred! Total agreement with you. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 19, 2009 9:17 AM:

" Hmmm... wrote on Sep 17, 2009 8:10 PM:

" WatchDOG Fred:
What's the matter, Cat got your tongue? Pun intended. "

No and the cat doesn't have a hold of Mr. Clark's property rights either Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Nor shall you. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 19, 2009 10:48 PM:

" Fred, you and Carl are in complete agreement... maybe that is enough to encourage you to reconsider your opinion. "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 20, 2009 6:36 PM:

" Watchdog, I have an idea we can submit to the Eastside Development Committee:

Why not give up an east Hanford side street near the tracks and put in another Cheese processing plant?

Think of all the jobs it would bring to the area...

(;-]) "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 20, 2009 7:04 PM:

" Wow, I realize that my last post was unrelated to the topic at hand and inappropriate so I will correct:

When the city has a plan calling for 'more affordable housing' and the schools, fire, and police are not adequately funded at existing levels now, how the heck can the city planners in good conscience allow nonresidential farmland to be rezoned suddenly into housing - affordable or not?

Darn right the schools and parents are complaining!

Shouldn't we all?

Unless we like to pay more and more taxes, that is... "

transplant wrote on Sep 21, 2009 2:13 PM:

" Alihandero,

Just a small correction. The land in question is not "non-residential farmland". It is designated for residential. The question was whether it should be single family or multi-family. It met the siting requirements for multi-family and the council chose to vote to approve the re-zoning, with the provision that the owner will seek input from the school and neighbors at the time of an actual project.

As to funding for the schools, fire and police, there are impact fees charged for each dwelling unit. Per the fee schedule listed on the City's website, the school fees for the Pioneer District are $4.06 per sq. ft. (other districts in Hanford get $2.97/sq.ft.). Fire Impact Fees are $139.32/unit and Police Fees are $265.87/unit for multi-family. School fees are collected by the City but given to the districts for their use. Impact fees are assessed to help offset the impact of the homes on these (and other) facilities and are paid by the developer, not the taxpayers. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 21, 2009 5:46 PM:

" Transplant, you missed the facts, part of the land was single family and part was still for ag use. Clark requested changing both sections. One to single family and one to multifamily. Nobody complained about the change to single family because that is what was long expected and consistent with the area. What we did complain about was a reversal in the long term plan in this area as a payback to a rich individual land owner and friend of the council. "

Bobb wrote on Sep 21, 2009 8:31 PM:

" Fred; I tried using that idea of a property owner having a right to build what he/she wanted on their property. I had lined up a contractor to build me a carport of approximately 30 ft. by 20 ft. attaching to my garage and extending toward the street. It would end about 10 feet from the sidewalk. The contractor said it couldn't be done and I didn't believe him. He was right, there was a 28 foot set-back from the curb to any part of the residence. So my carport would have been 30' x about 6', a little short to park a vehicle under. Maybe I can get my situation changed, any ideas? "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 21, 2009 10:28 PM:

" Hey thanks transplant, you seem to be knowledgeable so I will defer to you for the correct facts.

You see my confusion comes from this narrative in the above article:

"Despite the concerns, Cal Clark Farms' proposal for a general plan amendment and rezoning for its property has been cleared by the city Planning Commission."

Well, the land is owned by Cal Clark Farms, is it not? Wasn't it once farmed or otherwise purposed ag land at one time?

Cal Clark Farms is a farming or agriculture business concern, or am I off on that also?

If it is, what is an ag business doing with a residential housing market division?

Straighten me out, please, transplant! "

transplant wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:39 PM:

" Alihandero,

At one time the property was ag land. Not only does Cal Clark Farms own the parcel in question, they own quite a bit of the property around there. They used to own the property that Frontier School sits on, as well. The way I understand it is that when the property was annexed into the City years ago, it was in a Williamson Act Contract and was not eligible to be developed so the city zoned it UR, Urban Reserve. Now the Contract has expired and the request was to change the zoning from UR to R-1-6 (single family) and RM-2(multifamily). None of the property was zoned for ag after it was annexed. There is ag land to the west and north of the school that is still in the County. I don't believe Mr. Clark is a developer. I think he wanted to get the property zoned so that it could be developed. "

transplant wrote on Sep 23, 2009 9:44 PM:

" While I understand that many people are afraid of apartments, I don't think you can say that they always bring down property values. I'm pretty sure the homes along Fargo, 11th, North Star, etc. are holding their values pretty well and there are apartments on the north and south side of Fargo, east of 11th. And, multifamily units are just down the street from me and they haven't impacted my property values near as much as the current economy. When the economy improves, I don't think that the apartments being located where they are will keep my property value from going back up. "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:27 AM:

" Told You So: Let's look at the facts:
1. The property had single family residential zoning back when it was a large block of land. After the city took a block for the water plant and some for a fire station the owner was left with a fairly small and irregular shaped block of land sandwiched between a water tank and strip mall. Land like that is not really appropriate due to the size and surrounding uses. Apartment dwellers are less fusssy that home dwellers with respect to their location.
2. In order to make use of the land the owner explored their rights to a change in land use. This is no easy thing and requires a site plan, planning commission approval and city council approval. I guess both agencies saw the logic in his request and passed it. It does make a lot of sense if you take your biases off the table and take a step back. "

Carl.Spackler wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:29 AM:

" Bobb: You have liberty and free rights with your property right up to when its conflicts with the governments laws. Bobb, meet Mr. zoning ordinace. "

Bobb wrote on Sep 24, 2009 8:55 PM:

" Carl; You seem to know a lot about the zoning process here in Hanford. Can a person get a zoning variance for a project in his/her neighborhood very easily? I have been told it is not feasible as restrictions are "set in stone". If a homeowners project does not cause a public safety issue or demean the neighborhood I cannot see why a home owner cannot get a variance on a case by case basis. Appreciate any advice. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:07 PM:

" Carl that is the whole point here, we were impacted and have a different legal standing to complain aoubt it than you or even WDF do. Clark does not have "special" legal rights to have his property rezoned, he needed to request it to be changed by law The decision the council made was NOT required by law they did him a favor at the expense of all nearby land owners and happily defended his wonderful character and past help he had given the council as supporting their vote. Just drive by the lots in question, they are way bigger than the lot my house sits on and is clearly suitable for single family homes. That argument was all based on an imaginary responsiblity of the council to maximize his financial gain at the cost of his neighbors. Also, if you did drive by you would have seen corn on all this land so I guess he was growing an ag crop in violation of zoning according to your view of the facts... Like I already said, his money motivates the council and I can't wait until election day. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 25, 2009 6:32 PM:

" Remember this Fred:

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 9, 2009 6:01 PM:

" To: Carl Spackler

Here is a new idea, let's quit filling the pockets of the fat cats in the city and quit doing personal favors based upon personal relationships for those same individuals."

The rezoning for Clark is a perfect example of what you referred to in another post and is exactly why I'm so bothered by their vote. "

transplant wrote on Sep 28, 2009 2:40 PM:

" Bobb,

I hope you don't mind if I respond to your questions. A rezone and a variance are two different things. One changes the zone district and the other varies the standards. So it depends on what you are wanting to do. The law says you cannot spot zone. For instance, you cannot change one lot in a residential subdivision to a different zone in order to allow that property owner to have a business on the site. If you do change only one parcel (such as was proposed here), it has to meet certain criteria, which I understand was done. Usually, individual residential lots won't meet the criteria for siting of commercial zones or multi-family residential.

Variances usually are for setbacks, lot coverage, lot width, height of structures, street frontage, etc. There are state-mandated findings that have to be made in order to approve.

I'd recommend that you talk to someone in the Planning Dept. at the city to find out if what you want to do is feasible. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Sep 28, 2009 6:45 PM:

" It won't help Bob, its who you know and how much money you have. "

Bobb wrote on Sep 28, 2009 10:23 PM:

" transplant; thanks for the information. I have been told that to get a variance it is almost impossible. It might not hurt to talk to the City Planning Dept. though. My project was not going to be unsightly and done to code but the contractor thought it would be useless to pursue. Since I have retired to Hanford only about 5 years ago I took his word for it. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Sep 29, 2009 12:53 PM:

" before this posts goes away, can one person address my question about why Kings county, and specifically Hanford have so many school districts?

Wouldn't that be a simple way to save tons of money? Trim administration down to just one for the entire county. "

Bobb wrote on Sep 29, 2009 6:30 PM:

" NotHomeGrown. I have always wondered about this too. Where I moved from everything was a Unified School District. I would seem one management team could handle all three High Schools. There may even be a possibility that, as in my old town, you have one Superintendent of the entire system and Principles at each school. A lot less administration equals more people to do the every day teaching and maintenance. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Sep 30, 2009 12:30 PM:

" to Bobb,

Are you my long lost twin brother seperated prior to birth? We seem to have to many views that a very similar. The Live and Let Live generation, but just don't step on my toes in regards to my beliefs. Compromise is my motto. I say all of that before someone jumps up from the past and asks then why am I against same sex marriage. Becuase it is against my belief, but I don't ask for the gays to be put to death (Live and let Live). "




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