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Life outside the armed forces: military personnel find it a tough transition to the civilian work world

When Petty Officer 1st Class Jerry Hutchinson joined the Navy at age 19, he never expected to make the Navy a career. But, in a year he'll retire with 20 years of service under his belt.

The Phoenix native has already begun his search for a new job. He admitted that he is a little anxious about leaving the military.

"I know I'm going to get a job, but I'm scared," said Hutchinson, 39. "The economic situation is not the best, but I'm getting out in 12 months, so hopefully it'll improve."

Hutchinson is just one of many members of the military preparing to start a new life.

Feeling anxious about starting anew is pretty typical for transitioning military, especially the older ones who have been in a while, according to James Bradford, a retired Navy veteran and a Transition Assistance Program instructor for the state Employment Development Department.




"It's not that they have anything to worry about in terms of their skills or abilities or even their confidence, it's just that they don't know anything else," Bradford said. "They've been in an organization for 20 years and a lot of them joined right out of high school ... now they're getting out of the military and they're really scared."

Having enough time to prepare for their new life will give the military member a much better chance of success once they get out, said Gaytha Melone, a work/family life consultant at the Fleet and Family Support Center on Lemoore Naval Air Station.

One way military members can prepare for that transition is by attending a Transition Assistance Program workshop at least six months before getting out of the military.

The week-long Department of Labor workshop provides transitioning military personnel with information on veterans benefits, resume writing, job search and interview tips, stress and financial management, local employment resources and other topics.

"Preparation is key to a successful transition, and that preparation needs six months at least, because you can't financially prepare in less than six months," said Melone.

But, for military personnel who haven't had the time to prepare, Melone said one option is to take a job with one of the government contractors on base.

"If they can get a contracting job, it can allow them to transition more slowly," Melone said. "It allows them to have a job that supports their family while they look at their options in a more leisurely fashion."

Navy veteran Matt Beyer, 39, recently took a job with a contractor that provides aircraft maintenance services to LNAS.

Beyer, who retired from the Navy in February 2009, had hoped to retire in Fallon, Nev., where he owned a house.

But, after he was unable to find a job in Fallon, he took the aircraft maintenance job. As a corrosion mechanic, he does painting and body work on the F/A-18 jets. The job includes sanding rust and chipped paint off the jet's surface, and stenciling squadron markings on the jets.

Beyer said he doesn't mind the hard work, but he has had to swallow his pride a bit.

"You went from being someone people look at with a lot more respect... to all of a sudden you're starting all over again," he said. "You're starting from the bottom."

Airman Apprentice Christian Jones is one of the younger military members to separate from the Navy. The 21-year-old will be leaving the Navy in less than two weeks.

He said he wishes he had more time to prepare.

"We came off the ship only three weeks ago, so I've had no time," Jones said, during a break from TAP workshop. It was not a good situation."

So far, he's only been offered a $12-an-hour tow-truck driver job in San Diego. He said he doesn't think he can survive off that, so he plans to return home to his hometown of Dunsmuir, Calif., a town with a population of 2,000.

He said the best-case scenario would be if he could get a job with the U.S. Postal Service, but for now he will take what he can get.

"I will do just about any part-time job or full-time job," Jones said. "If I have to do two or three part-time jobs, I don't mind it, as long as I can pay my bills."

Joe Wright, Kings County Veterans Services officer, is one example of a veteran who has made a smooth transition to civilian life. Wright served 31 years in the Navy before retiring in 2006.

"It was a big step because I'd been in the military for so long," Wright said. "In my particular case, I kind of walked right into this. I retired on a Friday, and on the following Tuesday, they called me and said I had the job."

As Veterans Services officer, Wright helps other veterans with their disability and pension claims and any other assistance they may need.

According to Wright, making a successful transition all goes back to planning and preparation. This includes getting an education while in the military.

"If you're going to get out and really do what you want to do, instead of doing what you have to do because that's what's available, you've got to have an education," he said.

He added that networking is a good tool as well. He recommended that job-seeking veterans should be talking with friends, their local Employment Development Department representatives, the Kings County Veterans Services office and veterans services organizations such as the American Legion.

"You need to talk to people and find out about different positions and things going on," Wright said. "If you're going to sit around and look in the newspaper want ads for jobs, you're probably not going to get one-if that's all you're going to do."

"Planning is everything," Wright added. "Do your research before you get out. Be ready to go. And that goes back to the education, and resume and networking-if you do all those things before you get out, the chances of getting frustrated are far less."

(Sept. 20, 2009)

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bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:31 AM:

" I can totally relate to their feelings. After I got out of the Army back in 2000 just after 6 years, finding a job was tough. I'll admit, I had an attitude of (I'm better than everyone else), but quickly did I learn that was not the case and good paying jobs just aren't there in the Hanford area. Eventually I got a job at a packing house out on Excelsior Ave... the owners were/are awesome people, but the other employee's for the most part we're in my eyes complete tools! A regular term I would hear was "I don't do that, it's not my job"... my thoughts always went back to team work... what happened to it. Working 10 to 12 hour days making $8 an hour, just didn't cut it. I also missed being around soldiers. I joined the Army Guard.

Shortly after I joined the Guard, I quit the packing house because 9/11 happened and I was deployed.

After redeploying home from a year of Active Duty, I came back to nothing again (I didn't want the packing house). So I applied at various places around town. CONT "

bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:38 AM:

" CONT - I ended up applying at a Furniture Store in Hanford, across from the Movie Theater's on 7th Ave, Downtown. They had a sign in the window (we support our troops). I felt this was a great place to apply. When I applied, the first thing I was asked and told during the interview was "You know, I want to hire you, but I'm concerned you'll get called up again" (I'll never forget those words)... But I was able to convince the owner that I would not be called up anytime soon... the job paid horrible and my working conditions were even worse... I worked in the warehouse (I think it's on 5th) had no bathroom or AC... working in the July heat in a brick building with a tin rough... yeah you can guess how hot it was. I lasted there about two weeks and after I was lied to by my boss, I told myself that was the excuse to leave.

The next job I got, again paid horrible, but I operated on my own, was cleaning "out-houses"... honestly not a bad job if you can get past the smell... everyone left me alone, ha! CONT "

bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:45 AM:

" CONT - Though the job was good because everyone left me alone, I still wanted to make more money, and left that company to work as a driver for a company up in Fresno. It paid a bit more, For the most part I was left alone, but the hours were pretty bad... I'd start the day at 3am and driving from Hanford usually meant I'd be getting up about 1am. My day usually would not end until around 4pm on average.

So after that job and working servicing fire systems, I had to do one thing... get back on Active Duty status any way I could. Lucky for me the Army Guard was able to make that happen, and I've been Active Guard ever since.

A lot of people might ask why I didn't use the VA rep at the Unemployment Office. Oh I did and what a bunch of BS they gave me. I wanted a job doing something with computers, and the VA Rep told me that the "Computer Industry was fading out"... yup! CONT "

bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:51 AM:

" All this was really tough for me because, I had came from Active Duty Army units where, I was a leader of a team, highly decorated for just 6 years of service, and most of my 6 years had been spent working with senior officers at a Division level, Generals and Colonels. This had always made me feel as if I had a since of purpose. But once on the outside and as a civilian. I felt I had zero purpose. It was very tough transitioning from Military life to Civilian life.

Still today, being Active duty again, I have soldiers that pass through my door and wants work because he can't find anything on the civilian side.

To me this is a shame because Hanford/Lemoore area has a lot of business from the military community but in return very few businesses give back to the military and help the service members out... heck you can't even find discounts for the military in Hanford anywhere... I'm just saying!

And yes... I've earned my right to complain! "

pickle wrote on Sep 20, 2009 11:46 AM:

" My story is similar to blue falcon. I got out of the military back in 2004. I had just made sergeant E5 rank which was extremely fast in 4 years in the AF. I received unemployment while I tried to find a job that match my pay I had in the military and possibly the same field of work. After 6 months of nothing I took a job painting houses and construction for a small business. In fact they paid me as a sub contractor so I had to take out my own taxes and a bunch of other crap. I did that for about 6 months and moved back here to my home town in search of better opportunities. "

pickle wrote on Sep 20, 2009 11:50 AM:

" (Cont) I ended up moving in with my parents doing farm labor at 10 dollars an hour for the better part 2 years before I was picked up in a job here locally in a compeltly different field than I had experience with. My training and work ethic allowed me to progress very quickly to a decent paying job of about 35,000 a year. Basically what I was making when I got out of the military 3 years had passed.

I now after being out 5 years have gotten a job related to my military training working for the government and will make a nice living but its been a long 5 years for sure.

That was me with no immediate family to take care of like wife or kids. I couldn't have made the transition if I had those things involved or I guess we could have but my family would have been embarrassingly poor. "

Mrs.D wrote on Sep 20, 2009 11:35 PM:

" My dad had a job outside the Navy five years before he was discharged. So while my mom was packing up the house and kids on NASL, my dad was working his shift at the gas station. But the Navy did teach him some valuable things: how to work on engines of any size and how to paint vehicles and airplanes. With that knowledge, my dad supported us while working and doing side jobs for local businesses. You really have to step back and look at what the military taught you. Obviously, it taught some people here how to whine. "

Armonian wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:26 AM:

" Kings County, in fact the whole San Joaquin Valley, is not the place to find a high paid technical job. I concur with the other veterans. I took a minimum wage farming job when I got out. I worked that for 5 years before I decided to move from the area. I was able to find a higher paying job in the Northwest. That job had benefits as well. Unfortunately, I made the mistake of moving back here and the job showed. It took 8 more years before I found a decent job. Try the State or County, they pay better for around here. "

pickle wrote on Sep 21, 2009 10:40 AM:

" Who's whining? I found work and jobs just not as fast as I had hoped and was sharing how it actually went for me for other veterans preparing to get out from someone who got out in the past 5 years not 60 years ago froma daughter of someones military dad.

I know in the 1950's the military was a bit different but when i was in you couldn't work a second a job unless specific approval from your commander which basically meant no. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 21, 2009 5:35 PM:

" I wonder if Mrs. D. thinks she has deservered the honor of being called a mother? I wonder where and when she provided any kind of service to anyone other than her own family? I wonder being raised as a military brat, if it didn't stick in later years? "

Paul wrote on Sep 21, 2009 9:17 PM:

" The thing that some need to remember is that for the most part the military provides them with benifits and one of those is higher learning.

I knew guys that went into the service with a GED and then when they got out, were complaining that they couldn't get a GOOD job. They complained that college was too hard. Oh, they had their problems but who didn't. We all did.

Get up, dust yourself off and go to school. Nothing is easy.

And remember after 20 yrs., you have your pension and your only 39.

Most people have to wait till their at least 65 before they can retire and draw a MODEST pension. "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 21, 2009 11:02 PM:

" Now pickel, you have to remember that Mrs. D is the proud wife of State of California Correctional Officer and she has, well, many issues to deal with.

She is the poster here who famously said: "suck it up" to the wives and families of deployed servicemen who just might need a support group or helping hand.

Don't think her attacks are anything but personal; she speaks from her own experiences and I feel that a certain amount of payback is coming forth.

Way to go here once again, Mrs. D.! "

Mrs.D wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:37 AM:

" RE: Watchdog Fred and Alihandero, One thing that my mom and dad told us kids: Don't sit around waiting for opportunity to come knocking. Dad being in the Navy since the age of 17 taught him how to work, no matter what. We sucked up what we had to the whole time we lived on that base(and the many bases they lived on before I was born). And not too many newspapers and media outlets ran special reports on our behalf. We learned to live with it. And that was during Vietnam. If you didn't learn anytihng, you won't survive. "

pickle wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:17 AM:

" I agree with Paul to some degree. Thats actually what makes the transition a little harder. Most ex military are highly trained in a specific field, but most only have some college and no degree. So when they get out it takes some time and luck to find a job you that can utilize your training and a lot of times its with the government. We all know how fast it moves :)

However I must say the Post 9/11 GI Bill is something many military should really think about using after getting out and during the time your looking for specialized job. Its beyond benificial and I wish I had used it these past 5 years as a fall back if my plan fell through. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 22, 2009 10:21 PM:

" You can choose to be a large fish in a little bity pond or you can do as Alan G. and be a very small fish in a great big pond.

No one said life would be easy, take courses of study work hard and you shall be rewarded sooner or later.

Someone with a pension and the G.I. Bill to help them improve their education is already one up on the average student possibly two.

You don't make First Class because you aren't ambitous. "

vld82 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 1:44 PM:

" This is probably the toughest economy to transition into in quite a while. I believe this to be especially true in Kings County let alone California whose unemployment rates are above the national average. That is not to say that it can't be done but definitely be prepared. Starting over is always a difficult proposition even under the very best of circumstances. "

baristamclane wrote on Sep 24, 2009 2:56 PM:

" I've seen a lot of my friends end up with less than ideal jobs after being discharged. If only because they didn't make the most of the transitional resources available to them, nor did they make any preparations for life in the civilian world. Granted, that may not necessarily be the case for every discharged service member though. "

SJT wrote on Sep 26, 2009 11:40 AM:

" Inexpensive housing is a tough perk to turn down upon sep from NASL. Hanford is an attractive town in which to live, esp. for those who grew up in the mid-west. Employment on-base or USPS is the best bet for folks expecting living wages and a shot at a decent retirement. Bluefalcon559 tells the story well - they hang up signs saying they "support the troops", but the slogan is all you're gonna get.

The lack of adequate higher education comes into play. The few manufacturers who remain in the U.S. tend to go where the populace is educated; perhaps cause & effect for our chronic unemployment, lack of living wages and ... our Wal-Mart Super Center.

Its a tough balance, living here; however, despite poor air quality and chronic unemployment, one cannot beat overall quality of life in our fair, little city. The competitive employment scene likely keeps growth in check. "

Paul wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:27 PM:

" "The lack of adequate higher education comes into play."

tuition & fees directly to the school not to exceed the maximum in-state tuition & fees at a public Institution of Higher Learning.

a "monthly" housing allowance based on the Basic Allowance for Housing for an E-5 with dependents at the location of the school. For those attending foreign schools (schools without a main campus in the U.S.) the BAH rate is fixed at $1,333.00 for 2009.

an annual books & supplies stipend of $1,000 paid proportionately based on enrollment.

Tuition and fees are covered for 4 years.

Add to that the military pension that will be paid every month.

If there is a lack of higher education, it comes from the lack of some not wanting to take advantage of that higher education that the US GOV'T gives to all its soldiers. "

SJT wrote on Sep 27, 2009 2:37 PM:

" "The lack of adequate higher education comes into play."

Paul, my position refers to the Kings County demographic, not educational benefits for military personnel. Don't get me wrong; I'm aware of the benefits the U.S Government offers its service members - I once used them, though that was a few years ago. Indeed, the 110th Congress made huge strides in 2007 by passing the New GI Bill.

We have only one public four-year university in the Fresno/Kings/Madera/Tulare region (CSUF). The percentage of KC residents w/ a bachelors degree is under 5%. Not good numbers if prospective employers would consider setting up shop in our back yard. - sans Wal-Mart. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 27, 2009 3:51 PM:

" To: Paul wrote on Sep 26, 2009 10:27 PM:

Paul for once we agree and I couldn't have said it better. Except what about the twenty year career, why weren't any courses taken while on active duty through the educational office? I know someone who just reupped and is receiving his AA degree simultaneously and this includes tours in Iraq, Turkey and other locations in that area of engagement. So if a First Class Petty Officer doesn't at least get an AA or BA in twenty years what does that same about him/her.

To all you military members education is online, available and affordable, mostly no charge to the service member. But you have to enroll yourself, they don't automatically do that for you and you won't find it in the POD. "

Paul wrote on Sep 27, 2009 9:16 PM:

" SJT wrote on Sep 27, 2009 2:37 PM:

" "The lack of adequate higher education comes into play."

Sorry if it sounded like I was against you. I am not.
I just wanted to make the point that there are many educational opportunities for those that get out of the service with little or no training other than the job they had in the service.

But so few use them. And you are correct in that there is only Fresno State where one can get a bachelors degree in this area. I only wish that more would take advantage of their benefits.

And WDF you are also correct. They can use their benefits while on duty. In a twenty year enlistment, there has to be enough down time to "something."

I know its hard when you are thrown into the "real world" and have to start over.

And like Joe Wright said," And that goes back to the education." "

Scott Tucker wrote on Sep 28, 2009 2:35 AM:

" Fred, I thought that you were fundamentally against school and higher education. How many times have you used the word "scholar" in a derogatory and disparaging manner or generally poked fun at the teaching profession?

Ah, the hypocrisy continues. "

manuel wrote on Sep 28, 2009 3:43 PM:

" The G I Bill gives everyone who served a chance to get a good education, so stop crying "

SJT wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:10 PM:

" So if a First Class Petty Officer doesn't at least get an AA or BA in twenty years what does that same [sic] about him/her."

It could indicate that that 1st Class P.O served back-to-back sea tours, moved him/herself & family to a different spot on the globe every three years while fixing broken jets well over 40+ hrs. a week (80 hours on the big gray boats), then add the time prepping for her/his next advancement exams, warfare pins, etc.

Fred, you've forgotten this? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:17 PM:

" To: Mrs.D wrote on Sep 22, 2009 8:37 AM:

Well let's see you went from the Federal Government Supporting You to the State of California doing it! You learned well, you certainly learned to let the bread winner make the money while you kick back and blog. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:22 PM:

" Scott Tucker wrote on Sep 28, 2009 2:35 AM:

" Fred, I thought that you were fundamentally against school and higher education. How many times have you used the word "scholar" in a derogatory and disparaging manner or generally poked fun at the teaching profession?

Ah, the hypocrisy continues. "

You want to speak of ironic, the Scholar who uses the Unitec States to teach him his trade and then he runs off to capatalize on it in a country where he pays no taxes.

Bad mouths America and lives his countries dream.

Yet you want to tell us how we should live when we are paying taxes local, state, and federal young man.

How about paying some of that education forward? It is people like you that give education a bad name.

I never said I didn't like higher education, it's just some of the people who achieve it and then look down their nose at everyone else who didn't, that chaps my hide. Look for your name in that column Scholar. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:36 PM:

" bluefalcon559 wrote on Sep 20, 2009 8:51 AM:

I feel your pain and hear what you are saying, I had a smiliar experience with the VA service officer at the Unemployment Office myself. I was trying to get a jog on base and that was like pulling teeth from him unless you were recently discharged and on unemployment.

I came into the system late in life with 35 years of managerial experience and all he could offer me was a job at some rinky dink fly by night temporary service that doesn't even have office space in town anymore.

There is a real story there, perhaps one day I'll write a book about all their safety violations and what I witnessed while working there. When they professed just the opposite and how safe they were, found out later they were so safe they didn't think they had to carry Workmen's Compensation Insurance on their employees. That was a law suit! Won out of court. "

Alihandero wrote on Sep 28, 2009 5:40 PM:

" Funny, I read those posts Scott and found the use of the term "scholar" to be appropriate in your case.

I sincerely hope you are not implying that you are NOT a scholar, Scott, because I believe you are quite the intelligent individual.

As you recall, we discussed the profession and the children you teach in your adopted country at various times right here in the Sentinel online.

But sometimes - more often than not - the teaching profession has evidenced a political liberal progressive point of view which cannot be easily isolated from the classroom.

Scholars do not allow their personal feelings to color the truth of the subjects taught - or do they? "

Scott Tucker wrote on Sep 29, 2009 8:57 AM:

" Fred, you're really getting all of those Scott Tucker-related "facts" right today, aren't you? I can't wait to read the biography that you are writing about me.

"You want to speak of ironic, the Scholar who uses the Unitec States to teach him his trade and then he runs off to capatalize on it in a country where he pays no taxes."
First: I received my teaching degree in Switzerland, not in the "Unitec States", wherever that is.

Second: I pay taxes in Switzerland, so the last part of your fallacious statement makes no sense whatsoever.

Third: Can you give one example of when I have ever "badmouthed America"? Most people will know that I support the United States fully.

Fourth: What, pray tell, does this mean: "lives his countries dream"? Fred, slow down and think before you write. You'll be doing us all a favor.

And lastly: Why don't you come on over and ask my students if I am "paying some of that education forward"? I am sure that they will gladly provide you an answer. Who knows, maybe they'll even teach you a thing or two. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Sep 29, 2009 9:03 AM:

" "Scholars do not allow their personal feelings to color the truth of the subjects taught - or do they?"

I don't know, Alihandero, why don't you tell us. It seems as though your conclusions are already foregone, so I doubt that what I have to say will really change your opinion on the subject.

As I have written before, you are more than welcome to come and sit in my class. That open invitation is still valid. You and Fred could come together. I will even let you both sit at the same desk so that you can pass notes to each other. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 1, 2009 5:37 AM:

" Wow, see how easy it is to get off-topic?

It is this:

"Life outside the armed forces: military personnel find it a tough transition to the civilian work world"
By Wendy E. Arevalo
Special to the Sentinel


My memory is a bit foggy Scott so help me recall: you were in the Armed Services in the United States of America when...?

What - did you enlist, volunteer, or get drafted?

My point is this:

Many who served with little education going in became scholars afterward based upon their personal drive, acquired character-building experiences as well as developing a patriotic view of their country as a bonus.

I'd really like to hear your first-hand feedback on this topic.

Thank you. "

Paul wrote on Oct 1, 2009 4:52 PM:

" Alihandero wrote on Oct 1, 2009 5:37 AM:


"Many who served with little education going in"

Some who served never came back, others, at least mentally, will never be the same.

Some that are physically handicapped from action, also will never be the same.

Some that went in with little education and are happy with that.

Some yes, develope a patriotic view of their country.

Some like Timoth McVeigh develope a warped sense of government hatred that will end ONLY when they strike against innocent people.

Some NEVER went in and went on to do very well in life and some consider them "scholars."

Some have this "thing" about trying to prove what is or isn't a "scholar."

So what is your point about scholars...? "




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