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Anger erupts at landfill meeting

Emotions spilled over at the Kings County Planning Commission public hearing Monday night, when protesters came face-to-face with the decision-makers who were asked to approve a controversial plan for hazardous waste landfill expansion near Kettleman City.

The anger surrounding the project and the county's handling of the public process has been brewing for some time, but the pressure cooker exploded -- even before the public comment period started.

One man stood up and demanded Spanish translation by an independent party, not someone hired by Waste Management, and a full five minutes to speak in addition to the translation. But he was denied.

That's when anger erupted and yelling began.

As police officers looked on, the upset Kettleman City resident hollered words of protest in Spanish while holding up a picture of a baby with birth defects. Commission Chairman Mark Cartwright warned the man against further disruption, but the testy exchange went on for more than 10 minutes.



Supporters and employees of Waste Management take their seats as the meeting begins at the Kings Fair Monday night. (Gary Feinstein/The Sentinel)


The hearing eventually began with relative calm as Waste Management supporters were first allowed to speak in favor of the project. But 60 minutes into the hearing, a raucous crowd of 50 or so protesters -- mostly Kettleman City residents -- began rallying outside the hearing room at the Kings Fair. They chanted in Spanish, "What do we want?" A replying chorus cried, "Justice!" "When," they continued. "Today!" others chanted back.

"Si, se puede! Si, se puede!" a rallying cry resounded.

This time, the man leading the rally -- Ramon Mares, who had also spoken up earlier -- was escorted out of the fairgrounds by police who were ordered by the commission to quell the crowd. 

The scene was a packed, emotion-charged exhibit hall at the Kings Fair, where project supporters far outnumbered the protesters and a majority of the audience were employees of Waste Management or their friends and families.

The crowd had come to the key public hearing on the landfill expansion project in Kettleman Hills proposed by Waste Management. The hearing marked the culmination of a five-year planning process for the company.

After eight hours of marathon hearing, the commission closed the public comment period Monday night. The commission is expected to vote on the matter on Monday.

 Waste Management wants to expand the existing hazardous waste landfill by 14 acres and build a new 64-acre landfill at its Kettleman Hills Facility. The company says the project is necessary and important for the region because it will extend the Kettleman Hills Facility's hazardous waste capacity by more than 30 years.

"It is a very important project not just for the Central Valley, but for the state. About 30 percent of the hazardous waste comes from the Valley, 30 percent from Northern California and 30 percent from Southern California," said Kit Cole, spokeswoman for Waste Management.

"It is because of the Kettleman Hills landfill that sites like PacBell (now AT&T) Park in San Francisco can be built, all of the lead paint from Golden Gate Bridge could be cleaned up and the Archie Crippen Tire Fire site in Fresno could be cleaned up. It is a critical resource for the state of California as well as locally for businesses."

There are only three landfills in the state, and Kettleman is one of only two that accept hazardous waste, such as batteries, lead paint and contaminated soil, Cole said.

"It makes the availability of the space at the Kettleman Hills Facility that much more important," she said.

Kettleman City, a town of 1,500, is about 3.5 miles from Waste Management's 474-acre landfill operation. The company buries the hazardous waste materials under successive layers of dirt, and landfills are lined with hard plastic to prevent leakage into the soil.

Company officials say the geology of the region is such that, if there was a leakage, it would percolate into rock layers unconnected to Kettleman City's water supply, making it an ideal location.

The environmental analysis for the project does acknowledge the proposed landfill expansion would cause significant impact on air pollution and greenhouse gas but finds no evidence of adverse impact on the community's public health.

But residents don't buy it. For years, they have complained about higher rates of asthma, cancer and birth defects.

"It's honorable that they are defending their jobs. But we are here defending our lives," said Maricela Mares-Alatorre, a Kettleman City activist leading a grassroots group called El Pueblo Para El Aire y Agua Limpio, referring to an estimated 500 Waste Management employees and supporters who came out wearing green "Waste Management" T-shirts and hats.

"My neighbor just lost a baby, and that baby was going to have a cleft palate. It would've been the sixth birth within two years of cleft-palate babies in Kettleman City," Mares-Alatorre said. "There is something so wrong there. And the fact that they'd take economic gain over the health of our people every single time speaks volumes."

Many Waste Management employees disagreed.

"As a single mother, my health and my daughter's health are the most important thing ... But there is no proof that we cause harm even though they want us to believe that," said Rosa Salazar, one of dozens of employees who spoke. "But take a look at me and all the workers who are standing here today. We're living proof."

Responding to a concern regarding birth defects, Kings County health officials said they have requested the state birth defect monitoring program to provide an updated analysis of birth defect statistics in Kettleman City.

Opponents argue the project should not be approved at least until the investigation rules out environmental exposure as the cause. They also accused county health officials of inaction.

Dr. Michael Mac Lean, county health officer, countered that the state data is a far more reliable scientific approach than a door-to-door survey approach which activists demand county officials initiate.

"If the United States doesn't know what causes most birth defects, what do you think is the probability that we're going to figure this out on four cases?" Mac Lean said. "There's no science that can be done with four cases. We will only find what might possibly have caused this. We're going to end up with the same thing we started with."

Bradley Angel, executive director of San Francisco-based Greenaction, called the public process "rigged to the core." He complained that the hearing was held 30 miles away from Kettleman City late in the evening, that proponents were given more time to speak and that Spanish translation of the hearing agenda was not provided, even though the county lost a lawsuit in 1991 over a similar issue.

"Kettleman City is the picture postcard of environmental racism in the United States today. And what we're seeing today is how it plays out," Angel said.

Angel also raised issue with Boeing's recent plan to haul radioactive waste from the Santa Susana Field Laboratory to Kettleman Hills that is being considered by the state and Waste Management.

Cole said that is nothing new. Getting a request from Boeing is "business as usual," she said.

"All the waste gets screened at state-certified labs," Cole said. "If it doesn't meet the standard, we reject it. We reject loads every day."

The reporter can be reached at 583-2429.

(Oct. 6, 2009)

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pnut93212 wrote on Oct 7, 2009 10:28 AM:

" Oh and everything already has danger, hazardous, poison in 3 different languages. My city trash cans have it in english, spanish, french, and I think chinese. Hey, even my chocolate Zinger box tiene los 3 idiomas. So if you don't like America, then go to a communist country you commes! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 9, 2009 6:21 PM:

" More proof that you are not gonna please all the people all the time. I think we need the disposal site it has to be somewhere so why not Kettleman City where it provides jobs to the community. Which by the way probably doesn't have any other industry begging to locate there. Consider that one Mr. Valle? "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 9, 2009 7:33 PM:

" But Watchdog and pnut93212, all we have to do is get some genius who won the, say, Nobel Prize for genetics, to develop a grape bush that grows on toxic sludge and Kettleman City will BE IN BUSINESS!

HOOORAH! "

morgy wrote on Oct 10, 2009 12:19 AM:

" Whenever you have a large group of residents with a concern I think it would be un American not to listen to them. I know that kettleman City has an extremely high rate of birth defects. My family, and I were thinking of buying out there, and did some research. I think the people who live there deserve to be taken seriously. Anyone can hire a ringer, meaning the doc, to say there is no problem there. I think they need to do some real investigating. If they don't want to do that they may be afraid but, it will be cheaper in the long run than a class action suit. "

KC Rez wrote on Oct 10, 2009 11:56 AM:

" WDog:
Are you aware that out of the 60 employees at Chem Waste KC facility, only 1of them actually lives in KC? That sea of green shirts at the meeting was a result of Chem Waste shipping in 4 charter buses of workers from other plants around the state. That's what made if so ridiculous when Boby Henry, general manager got all choked up and thanked his chem waste family for coming out to support him. Duh! Of course they came, you shipped them in!

Again, the placements of dumps like the KC Hills facility has much more to do with politics than geology. Don't believe me? Look up the Cerrel & Associates report of 1984, commissioned by the CA Waste Management Board. This is proof why communities with demographics just like Kettleman City's continually bare the brunt of toxic trash.

Oh, and btw Carl, I've been a resident of KC for the past 31 years, so how 'bout that double double? Will you be eating crow while I enjoy my burger? "

KC Rez wrote on Oct 10, 2009 12:03 PM:

" And what's up with picking on Valle? Is it because he tried to advocate for his constituents in KC by requesting that the meeting happen there? I thought that was his job, to represent the people in his area. I wasn't aware that his job was to kowtow to Chem Waste.

The county seems to find it so convenient that KC is an unincorporated area of Kings County. That's why they love having Chem Waste in Kettleman City because the tax revenue goes straight to the county's pockets. Convenient, huh? Meanwhile in KC we have crappy water, no side walks and limited resources. This and they're always trying to sell us on how great Chem Waste is for the community? Puleez! They bragged at the meeting how they had just given KC elem $3000. I bet those t-shirts & those charter buses cost more than that. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 10, 2009 7:15 PM:

" @KC Rez:

Since you lived in KC for such a long period of time, you have seniority in writing here.

What is YOUR solution then if I might ask?

Do you have a plan? "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 10, 2009 7:20 PM:

" @morgy:

So you believe it is all a conspiracy against who exactly?

And you are claiming that those photos I saw -showing what looks like nonwhite children with cleft palates - ONLY is caused by the Waste Management facility?

Is that correct? "

Bobb wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:05 PM:

" I have a friend who lives in KC. He has told me that many of those residents have migrated from Mexico where there is absolutely no medical or prenatal care in those remote villages. Could it be that some of the problem came with them or is genetic? It is a know fact that in lower income areas, even in major cities, that many medical maladies exist because of that lack of prenatal care. Let us not lump all the medical problems on Waste Management without checking out the other possibilities. We know groups such as Green action and the Ca. Rural Legal Assistance Organization are out for BIG settlements for themselves. Remember the $1.2 million Kings County gave them to drop the dairy suit? Cash and Carry. "

KC Rez wrote on Oct 10, 2009 11:04 PM:

" Do you know how many times that question has been put to us who live in KC? Why is it that people in low income, minority areas are always asked what should we do with the waste? We are not even the ones that are generating the majority of the waste that goes into Chem Waste so why do we have to come up with the solution? There's people in big cities with lots of $ and resources who should be working on this solution.

For the record, I am related (by marriage) to one of the families that had a cleft palate child in May 08. They had prenatal care, they are young, healthy, uber Christian, don't do drugs/alcohol and there is no history either side of their families of cleft palate.

Once again, I am not saying that Chm Waste is responsible for the birth defects, we don't know what is. However, until an extensive health study is done to determine why there is a cluster in KC, Why not halt all permitting processes? If CW is such a good neighbor, why don't they do this for us? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 10, 2009 11:39 PM:

" Perhaps both need to have their sides aired in public, take the findings but also do a gene pool study and determine exactly what is causing all the problems. Is this inherit from Mexico or caused by the dumping, bring it out in the open and let us all know your findings. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:29 AM:

" Bobb wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:05 PM:
" I have a friend who lives in KC. He has told me that many of those residents have migrated from Mexico where there is absolutely no medical or prenatal care in those remote villages. Could it be that some of the problem came with them or is genetic?

Bobb, your data confirms what I posted over on the other Waste Management article:

There are no accepted environmental waste indicators for causing cleft palate.

You sure are right on about little to no prenatal care in Mexico and most of their population is ignorant of maternal health care in general and genetics in particular.

But I don't think they have to worry Bobb:

Obamacare will get them covered - one way or another - with low cost or no cost health care once it gets rammed down our throats.

Even though if it passes in 2009 it will not take effect until 2013: a date set just to make sure that Obama gets reelected in 2012!

Man I hate politics... "

jethro wrote on Oct 11, 2009 8:00 PM:

" "KCRez stated:There's people in big cities with lots of $ and resources who should be working on this solution."

Why is it always up to someone else, and how is it the problem of those who live in the big city? If there are no jobs, and you think it is unhealthy to live in KC, then move! With the measures WM takes to confine the wast, I dont see how it could affect people who live a few miles away. However, if I felt the area in which I lived was a potential danger to my family's health, then I would move and not depend on someone else to look after our well being. Quit expecting others to solve your worries, which are not even validated. "

CSUFAlumni wrote on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 AM:

" It would be in the best interest of the WASTE MANAGEMENT corp. to be sure that they are not putting the lives of the Kettlemen City citizens at risk. Any leak now or in the future is extemely hazardous to everyone involved. Lawsuits, expensive medical care, and even cleaning up the hazardous waste is extremely expensive to the county. Situations where waste has leaked into into fresh water have occured in the U.S. The have been very deadly and highly expensive. Anyone with half a brain can understand the Kettleman City people's concern, expecially when one considers that they seem to have a high rate of brith defects.

A leak could potentially affect everyone in the county not just the surrounding people. "

Bobb wrote on Oct 12, 2009 12:34 PM:

" KC Rez; My friend from KC said that a lot of people were hired when Chem Waste first moved there. They made very good money and bought houses in the surrounding communities with better public services and better schools. Sorry you didn't get one of those jobs. That may be one of the problems, Chem Waste pays better than farm labor so the persons getting the jobs move to a better place. My friend stays as he has business interests there. Jethro is right, if there are no jobs and you feel it is dangerous you can always move. "

Matt wrote on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM:

" In any incorporated city, the local residents get a significant say in what businesses can open in the jurisdiction. Kettleman, of course, is unincorporated, which gives local residents less say in what goes on.

If Chem Waste wanted to move into Hanford, we already know that Hanford residents would oppose for a multitude of reasons. ut since Hanford and Lemoore residents get to decide what is best for KC, it's a great deal! The epitome of NIMBYism.

Chem Waste is largely beneficial to Kings County on the whole and have poured a great deal of money into improvements in KC. There are a few good reasons to support the landfill expansion. But it is telling that most Kettleman City residents don't want it and most other county residents wouldn't want it if it were nearer them.

Admittedly the waste generated by those outside the valley must go somewhere, but why must it come to Kings County at all? "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 12, 2009 3:52 PM:

" CSUFAlumni wrote on Oct 12, 2009 12:07 AM:
" It would be in the best interest of the WASTE MANAGEMENT corp. to be sure that they are not putting the lives of the Kettlemen City citizens at risk."

What is the PROOF that they are NOT doing this now or in the past?

Show us here all your documentation if you have any facts, or charts, or established official or certified statistics...that would be the start of a fair analysis of the situation. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 12, 2009 8:00 PM:

" Matt wrote on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM:
"Admittedly the waste generated by those outside the valley must go somewhere, but why must it come to Kings County at all? "

Where do suggest we put it, Matt?

Dump it into, say, public land as in a National Park like, uh, Yosemite?

Toss it into the Pacific perhaps? "

Matt wrote on Oct 13, 2009 11:27 AM:

" Alihandero-

Where hazardous waste that is generated outside the valley is disposed, if outside of Kings County, itsn't for us to decide. Let those who generate it find a place where the locals don't mind or where there are no locals don't mind. In this case, many of the locals (I daresay most) have significant concerns. "

KC Rez wrote on Oct 13, 2009 2:30 PM:

" You know it’s funny; I don’t recall writing anything saying that I was in need of a job. I have one, thank God. However, I did point out that Chem Waste tries to say how it generates jobs for Kettleman City, when in fact all but one of their workers actually lives in town. Even a few years back when it had up to 150 employees, only 6 of them lived in town. And why should I leave my town? I’ve been there since 1978. Chem Waste got there in 1979 and I’m not telling them to leave. "

KC Rez wrote on Oct 13, 2009 2:36 PM:

" Continued:

However, I will keep saying it: no one, not the county, not the state has done any kind of investigation in KC to see why there is a cluster of birth defects in our town. As it stands there have been 5 cleft palate births in the past year in our town of 1505. If birth defects happened in Hanford at the same rate that would be roughly 156 cleft palate births in one year. I think people would be pretty alarmed. I think they would probably want an investigation into why this is happening. I think people in Hanford wouldn’t be content with someone telling them oh, this happened because you’re probably from Mexico. BTW, two of the families that had this happen, were second generation Americans. Additionally, my nephew, who had another cleft palate baby, has lived in KC for the past ten years. He and his wife are young, healthy, don't drink or smoke and have already had one healthy child prior to their son with cleft palate. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 13, 2009 4:31 PM:

" Hey Matt,

Are you saying that the democratic process wasn't followed when the KC facility was first built?

Did Kings County or Waste Management violate any laws in establishing the facility in the first place?

Perhaps you have some facts I don't know about.

Let me know the specifics, OK?

Thanks. "

Bobb wrote on Oct 13, 2009 6:58 PM:

" Matt; I can agree with you to a point on waste coming into our area from other areas. But why is it always when "the money is right" the problem goes away. Two quick examples; 1)The Boswell Dairy EIR several years ago when the Center for Race,Poverty and the Environment took $1.2 million to drop their suits. After the lengthy delay the principles of the development had moved on. 2) The recent agreement with LA to ship their sewage and sludge to a place closer to KC than Chem Waste and build a composting facility after which it will be spread on the alkali soil nearby. LA will monitor this waste for bacteria and pathogens. I guess the money was right. Maybe CW should just find the right "pay off" to make it happen. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 13, 2009 8:11 PM:

" To: Matt wrote on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM

Most of us are grown adults here, anyone with their eyes open must have clearly seen from past expansions of Chem waste facilities that it would only get larger and larger. I don't understand why people want to take on a business that has contributed so much to the community of KC. I don’t understand, when Valle their representative was talking about bringing more jobs to the community he isn’t pushing to get this through the channels of red tape.

Many who complain from KC are like people who go in the ocean and are attacked by sharks, the warnings are there, the danger is evident, if you feel uncomfortable with the situation let Chem Waste do their thing and you move to another location. Perhaps if you talked to them, they might even help you financially with your move. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 13, 2009 8:24 PM:

" To: Matt wrote on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM

But to demolish a mountain over a mole hill is not the way to improve employment in that vicinity. KC will get a reputation for fighting companies and they will not want to locate to Kings County because of it. That my friends could affect and kill off the economy even more, to Hanford and Lemoore residents’ big time. It’s tough enough to get business to locate in California period right now.

If it were up to me, I would be more concerned with all those gas stations and a truck stop and what they may be putting into the soil than what Chem Waste is doing. I am sure Chem Waste has more regulatory agencies and paperwork to file than any of them do. You don’t hear people complaining about that possibility.
Do you honestly think that the former fuel producer in this city didn’t contaminate our water table, you better think Again.
We still have a pond basin that was never cleaned up the soil is permeated with spilled fuel all over that property. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 15, 2009 9:13 PM:

" " To: Matt wrote on Oct 12, 2009 3:40 PM

Do you not recall the torch in the sky that burned from Caminol and then Beacon and finally was it British Petroleum?

That pond underneath it was full of gases liquid and otherwise that seaped into the soil fed into our air resources and made us ill one by one.

There was never an official or complete sign off or cleanup on that property. I recall one incident when thousands upon thousands of gallons of gasoline and diesel went running down the rain gutters like someone had opened a valve somewhere.

Because that is exactly what happened, someone opened and filled another gas and diesel order for the distributor on that corner. "

KC Rez wrote on Oct 16, 2009 6:55 AM:

" WDog Fred:
You bring up an excellent point. We ARE worried about the effects of diesel emissions from the I-5. In fact the EIR report for the Chem Waste Expansion project states that due to the increased truck traffic there will be a negative impact on our air quality. This is in addition to increasing the cancer risk for those within the Chem Waste property line. Despite this kings county favors the project because according to them, "the economic benefits of the project outweigh the risks"; in other words, dollars over health.

This is the attitude that makes me wonder, why bother having regulations anyway. Apparently they go out the window if the price is good enough. And people are insinuating that KCity residents are the ones after a pay off?!? "

Matt wrote on Oct 16, 2009 3:29 PM:

" Bobb and Watchdog-

Dropping a problem because a lot of money is thrown at you is a common practice-for better or worse. Sometimes that money mitigates the problem (for instance a logging company can give money to pay for forest conservation, reducing the size of the problem). However, all too often the money ends up lining somebody's pockets.

I'm not advocating for money to be given to those who oppose. Nor am I stating that Chem Waste hasn't provided a lot for the communities of Kettleman and Avenal. What I am saying is that there is a perception that they have brought problems, too. If we are to decide whether they should be allowed to expand operations, then perhaps we should determine whether perceptions are realities--which would require a process that isn't predetermined in favor of Chem Waste.

The money and services the company has brought to the community may not be enough to offset the harm it has wrought. Hanford and Lemoore don't necessarily see or experience the problems and fears that KC folks have. Valle has done the right thing by advocating to make sure those people get heard. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:28 PM:

" KC Rez says
"This is the attitude that makes me wonder."

If all Federal-State-Local regulations are met and Chem Waste is said to be a very good neighbor as one letter-writer documents, the always-on attitude that 'poor people are being victimized' does indeed make me wonder... "

Bobb wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:15 PM:

" Matt and KC Rez; Neither one of you have commented on the LA Dept of Waste buying thousands of Westlake property to build a composting facility on and then lease it back to Westlake to farm. Their will be increased truck traffic bringing this human waste to the composting facility. The health inspectors from LA will monitor the process for pathogens, bacteria and heavy metals. This composted product will be spread on the alkali soil, some of it very near KC. This project is much closer to KC than the Chem Waste plant and not isolated in some canyon. Why no comment? Have you applied for jobs in the new facility? It does seem strange tht I have mentioned this several times and there is no comment. "

KC Rez wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:19 PM:

" Actually Bob, I did comment on it at several county meetings & hearings. We also called a special meeting w/ the air district all to no avail. The thing is that project is a done deal unlike the CW expansion project which will be voted on Monday 10/19. The funny thing about you saying how harmful this is for KC is that the owner of West Lake Farms who is responsible for the LA sludge project, was one of the 'community reps' on the rigged LAC process for the CW expansion project! And KC residents were supposed to trust this committee to advocate or us??? When we pointed out that the West Lake owner could hardly be an advocate for KC since he was willing to dump 500 tons of sewage sludge per year on us, he quit. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 17, 2009 7:12 PM:

" KC Rez wrote on Oct 17, 2009 5:19 PM:
" Actually Bob, I did comment on it at several county meetings & hearings. We also called a special meeting w/ the air district all to no avail. The thing is that project is a done deal unlike the CW expansion project which will be voted on Monday 10/19. The funny thing about you saying how harmful this is for KC is that the owner of West Lake Farms who is responsible for the LA sludge project, was one of the 'community reps' on the rigged LAC process for the CW expansion project! And KC residents were supposed to trust this committee to advocate or us??? When we pointed out that the West Lake owner could hardly be an advocate for KC since he was willing to dump 500 tons of sewage sludge per year on us, he quit. "

@ KC Rez,

Could I have some actual references to look up your claims and allegations to see if they are true or not?

If there was something provable that was illegal or against established environmental guidelines you would have more supporters that you do now I’ll wager. "

Bobb wrote on Oct 17, 2009 7:50 PM:

" KC Rez; I thank you for the information on the sludge project. I feel this is much more hazardous than the CW project as it is spreading possible carcinogens, bacteria, pathogens and heavy metals on TOP of the soil which can be blown just about anywhere during one of our duststorms. At least at the CW project it is buried and the Federal Government monitors the site, even though the Fed's may not be perfect. The idea of LA monitoring the composting facility is faulty from the start. Remember, they were going to monitor the amount of water being taken from Owens Valley--yeah right. The Great Salton Sea is all but gone with LA partly to blame. I can not believe that it is a done deal. It must have been kept very "LOW PROFILE -$$$$". "

KC Rez wrote on Oct 19, 2009 2:36 PM:

" Alidanra:
You can look up the Tanner Act which is a CA law that states that local authorities (in this case the planning commission) must appoint a Local Assessment Committee (LAC) made up of members of the affected community so that they can advise local authorities on the conditions for granting a permit. This LAC must be made up of a diverse group of people that represent enviromental groups, businesses and members at large. Amazingly, in a county that is majority Latino, not one could be found to serve on this group. The one KCity resident they found for the board was african american (the only one in KCity, I might add) and a notorious Chem Waste cheerleader. (In fact you can hear her at every hearing, bragging about the monetary gifts she has received from Chem Waste). Everyone else on the LAC was from Hanford and the "enviromental representative" was from a group that did not exist and that could not give you a phone number to contact them. That is why KCity residents did not recognize this LAC because in our view it was ILLEGAL. "

Con Carne wrote on Oct 19, 2009 7:05 PM:

" Birth defects are caused by inbreeding also. I'm just saying..... "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 20, 2009 3:57 AM:

" Well, on the Monday night news, the Waste Management expansion was approved 4 votes for, 0 against, so it looks like the democratic process works indeed! "




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