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President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize

OSLO (AP) — President Barack Obama won the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize today for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples," the Norwegian Nobel Committee said, citing his outreach to the Muslim world and attempts to curb nuclear proliferation.

The stunning choice made Obama the third sitting U.S. president to win the Nobel Peace Prize and shocked Nobel observers because Obama took office less than two weeks before the Feb. 1 nomination deadline. Obama's name had been mentioned in speculation before the award but many Nobel watchers believed it was too early to award the president.

"Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world's attention and given its people hope for a better future," the committee said. "His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world's population."

The committee said it attached special importance to Obama's vision of, and work for, a world without nuclear weapons.

"Obama has as president created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play," the committee said.

Theodore Roosevelt won the award in 1906 and Woodrow Wilson won in 1919. Former President Jimmy Carter won the award in 2002, while former Vice President Al Gore shared the 2007 prize with the U.N. panel on climate change.

The Nobel committee received a record 205 nominations for this year's prize.

In his 1895 will, Alfred Nobel stipulated that the peace prize should go "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace congresses."

Unlike the other Nobel Prizes, which are awarded by Swedish institutions, he said the peace prize should be given out by a five-member committee elected by the Norwegian Parliament. Sweden and Norway were united under the same crown at the time of Nobel's death.

The committee has taken a wide interpretation of Nobel's guidelines, expanding the prize beyond peace mediation to include efforts to combat poverty, disease and climate change.

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Alihandero wrote on Oct 9, 2009 5:45 AM:

" Does this mean another transatlantic trip on Air Force One we have to pay for? "

RobertD wrote on Oct 9, 2009 1:05 PM:

" A cozy Nobel Peace Prize photo: Obama, Carter, Gore, Arafat, and so many others with questionable resumes for such a distinction. The Peace Prize has become a joke. "

Skip wrote on Oct 9, 2009 3:15 PM:

" Let's not blame Obama for this. He didn't deserve it, he knows he didn't deserve it. but he can't turn it down. Just like when Chavez ran up and gave him that book, it would have been pretty rude not to accept it. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 9, 2009 7:37 PM:

" Well, it looks like not only the dollar is devaluated in the eyes of the world... "

Paul wrote on Oct 9, 2009 8:00 PM:

" Alihandero wrote on Oct 9, 2009 5:45 AM:

" Does this mean another transatlantic trip on Air Force One we have to pay for? "

As the U.S. military suffers some of its heaviest casualties of the war and Iraq threatens to plunge into chaos, President Bush is vacationing at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.

August 6, 2001, Bush received a top-level intelligence briefing in Crawford titled, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S."

Then he goes ALL THE WAY to China and wants to spank the beach volleyball girls.

So talk about vacationing and PAYING for the president to TRAVEL. When bush was in office, no-one ever complained about his traveling at the taxpayers expense.

He (bush) was the BEST RESTED WAR PRESIDENT IN HISTORY.

But there is one thing that I enjoyed watching on TV the most.

Rush who many claim to be an entertainer said one thing that I BELIEVE, imagine that.

HE and the independents and conservatives are on the same boat with the TALIBAN.

THEY BOTH don't think President Obama doesn't deserve the Peace Prize.

Imagine that... "

SJT wrote on Oct 9, 2009 9:01 PM:

" Congratulations Mr. President. It is good to see the world look to the United States, once again, as the amiable leader, in their hearts. It makes me proud as a peacock to know my country is so respected, and that we have a president who is not only popular in the nation, but around the world ta boot. And thank you, Sen. McCain for graciously congratulating him - very classy. It is a good day. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:14 PM:

" Paul wrote on Oct 9, 2009 8:00 PM:

"As the U.S. military suffers some of its heaviest casualties of the war and Iraq threatens to plunge into chaos, President Bush is vacationing at his ranch in Crawford, Texas."

Actually it is Afghanistan that poses the most current problem but I know you know that "Paul."

Since you also know that former President George W. Bush is no longer in office and taking a hint from your ever vigilant prose, I would post a much more relevant question 'right back atcha," using some of your own words:

"As the U.S. military suffers some of its heaviest casualties of the war and Iraq threatens to plunge into chaos, President Obama is doing what exactly to actually EARN his Nobel Peace Prize vis a vis helping our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?"

I guess success is NOT an option, "Paul?"

How about asking our current President to listen to the General HE placed in charge there and help save the lives of our troops as well as the people in the region?

Is that too much to ask of the Nobel laureate, "Paul?"

Perhaps. "

Paul wrote on Oct 10, 2009 11:19 PM:

" What better way to answer a question than to ask another question.

That is always the best road to take when there is no real answer, and stating the OBVIOUS isn't an OPTION. IT WAS A BLUNDER.

Of course, like a TRUE REPUBLICAN, you fail to even answer that and went on to mumble some sort of rhetorical republican rush, hannity, bolton talking from left ( sorry, right) field point.

Again...He (bush) was the BEST RESTED WAR PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. Flying around ON AIR FORCE ONE for yet another vacation. "All this war stuff is tiring don't you know."

Maybe, just maybe that is the MAIN reason we are in such a pickle NOW in Afgan. He (bush) wanted to finish the job that Papi didn't finish so we moved into Iraq and forgot about Afgan.

WE'RE BACK!!!! And stronger than ever. Thank you georgie.

BUT aside from all those at fox news, now Hamas along with the Taliban says that it too doesn't support President Obama winning the Peace Prize.

"some" keep GOOD company..."right back atcha." "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:41 AM:

" SJT exuberantly said

"It makes me proud as a peacock.."

Didn't I see that exact phrase on a Rainbow Coalition float in one of those San Fransisco or Fresno Gay pride parades recently?

Yes, I'm sure I did; ain't Comcast Digital HD great! "

Skip wrote on Oct 11, 2009 12:36 PM:

" That was an amazing video of Bush the other day, I had never seen him laugh so hard. He kept saying "I told you so!". obama is finding out everything Bush said was true. Since the nomination for our nation (obama) was made in January for the award, it's apparent the nation nominated was Bush's. "

Deb wrote on Oct 11, 2009 2:05 PM:

" I too congratulate the President for the receipt of the Nobel Peace Prize. So many of the naysayers are not familiar (or choose to ignore) the fact that the Nobel Peace Prize isn't always given out for past accomplishments, but rather for the hope and vision of yet to be seen accomplishments. "

GJT wrote on Oct 11, 2009 2:24 PM:

" Good Job Mr. President.. I'm glad you received the Nobel Peace Prize...I'm very proud to be an American... "

Pete wrote on Oct 11, 2009 3:51 PM:

" JANUARY??!! How could the nomination be done it January? This guy didn't even take office until January? This really was Bush's nation in January, he should get the $1.4 million, not Acorn!! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 11, 2009 5:04 PM:

" To: Alihandero wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:14 PM:

I can't believe that the six or seventh-graders don’t realize we have a lot to prove in both Iraq and Afghanistan to their people.

We pulled out of both places and left them hanging when they needed us most. We don't overcome that by under staffing our troops against the Taliban and allowing Iraq to slip back into the insurgents control.

This all goes back to the Kennedy administration and the “Bay of Pigs.” When do we step up to the plate and do what we say we will do to protect and Democratize a nation? We allowed a slaughter to occur in all three instances.

The difference being that in Afghanistan it is American men and women who raised their hands to defend and protect our constitution, who are, not getting the backing of their Commander in Chief, and are therefore dying daily and that blood rests squarely on President Obama, Vice President Biden and the Commanders in of all five branches of the service.

(Continued) "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 11, 2009 5:16 PM:

" To: Alihandero wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:14 PM:

To: Alihandero wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:14 PM:

President Obama said he was gonna end both wars. Is it his intention to let all assigned personnel to Afghanistan/Iraq be put to death and not replaced, thereby bringing the war to an end at the sacrifice of all those personnel or does he have the guts to send in the appropriate amount of troops to win both wars?

That is my question for our President, he is already spending us into oblivion, now he will kill off our first line of defense and call that bringing everyone Home.

This President is gonna be amazed at what his sprint to the Nobel Peace Prize will end up costing you and I in the end. When Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan, Russia, China, Cuba or all seven combined launch a military incursion into our territories and our very own country, then and only then will the Obama-aide victims seek our help. It will be too late for anyone to do anything but bend over & kiss your butt good bye.
(Continued) "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 11, 2009 5:19 PM:

" To: Alihandero wrote on Oct 10, 2009 8:14 PM:

That is why, our forefathers in their visionary thinking and knowing the tyranny they suffered made a provision for every man/woman to arm themselves.

The birth of the right to bear and carry arms in time of peace/upheaval so we can at all times protect ourselves. Everyone, has the right to defend theirselves from their enemies.

Yes this is a sad time we live in, when we turn our backs on our troops need for backup in two wars we could win with the right direction and leadership. Something President Obama has not demonstrated he is capable of doing either. "

SuziQ wrote on Oct 11, 2009 7:17 PM:

" Fidel Castro said the prize was a "positive measure". If you agree that it is, it's because Castro is a communist too. "

Paul wrote on Oct 11, 2009 8:44 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 11, 2009 5:19 PM:

You say "we could win with the right direction and leadership."

You fail to mention that bush had a go of it in Afgan since October 7, 2001. Let me see even with my "fuzzy" math he had at least 7 YEARS to finish it and since 2003 he had us in Iraq for the second time. And he had 5 years there and he (bush) just passed it on to President Obama in January. So talk about a "lack of leadership" and "right direction."

And now "some" want to say that President Obama "lacks leadership and right direction" with ONLY 9, count them 9 MONTHS into his tenure.

With "some" republicans now believing that bush has NOTHING to do with the messes we are in and that President Obama is trying to fix, I'd be laughing too. But at those that believe that we went from Billy to Barack with no bush in the middle.

That's like saying that we went from Coolidge to FDR.

What did Hoover do???

Come on, he was out of office. "

Dennis49ers wrote on Oct 12, 2009 1:16 PM:

" HAHAHAHAHAHA

THANK YOU GEORGE BUSH,,,FROM GORE & OBAMA ETC...AFTER HIM..JUST NOT STARTING TROUBLE IS A BLESSING.. "

Skip wrote on Oct 12, 2009 1:38 PM:

" General McChrystal was great on 60 Minutes the other night. Now this a real man!! He has that "yes, we CAN win" attitude instead of "we have to run, cause we CAN'T win" attitude the cowards have. If we could just get the weak, spineless president and congress out of the way, we could take care of business. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 12, 2009 2:34 PM:

" To: Paul wrote on Oct 11, 2009 8:44 PM:

I'm sorry evidently you didn't understand my prolific explanation so I will try again on your level.

If the United States was a Gang in the Hood and Obama was the Gang Leader within nine months hundreds would die, many because Obama refused to fight or send in backup to help the fighting Gang Members.

Now do you get it? = No leadership/direction. Sometimes you have to speak the language.

Before you bring up the totals in Iraq prior to Obama, look up the totals for Vietnam it's not quite 90% more deadly than Iraq and Afghanistan combined and that war was led by none other than LBJ a demoncrat. "

Deb wrote on Oct 12, 2009 4:56 PM:

" Paul - don't forget to mention that Bush took 4 months to decide whether or not to do the surge. Wow - a whole 4 months. He was actually thinking of doing something other than what the military wanted?!? Imagine that.... "

SJT wrote on Oct 12, 2009 5:49 PM:

" Didn't I see that exact phrase on a Rainbow Coalition float in one of those San Fransisco or Fresno Gay pride parades recently?

Ali, you know that sounds exactly like something Ted Haggard might have said a number of years ago, before that day.. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 12, 2009 7:53 PM:

" The "broken record" posters here like Paul and Deb and manuel and their liberalista associates keep prattling on about Bush and his Administration over and over and over again.

I finally figured out WHY!

Because Obama hasn't accomplished anything of substance at all!

Yep, you will have to go back to the one President and Administration that kept us safe since 9/11/2001. "

Paul wrote on Oct 12, 2009 9:45 PM:

" Whether its a prolific, simple, rhetorical or a joke, when "some" need to write 600+ words to make ONE point I YAWN!! and forget what the point is. So yeah, I DON'T UNDERSTAND.

"Some" claim that President Obama lacks "right direction and leadership." But when it comes to bushs tenure for 8 YEARS AT THE WHEEL, you and some others are MUTE.

GEE... I wonder why.

Oh, that's right... like TYS always brings up, he's out of office. AGAIN, DID we go from Billy to Barack?

TYS and others bring up Billys inability to "GET" bin laden but they "FAIL" to say anything about george.

Like he was the gardener at the White House for 8 years. Like he didn't have him cornered in tora bora...and he lets an afgan warlord go after him. Many military officials to this day believe that was and is the GREATEST FAILURE by America. Gee... that was late 2001.

Who was in office then????

GREAT LEADERSHIP george.

And for the analogy with gangs... duuuummb!

Stick with prolific. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Oct 13, 2009 12:58 PM:

" "Wow!"

"The "broken record" posters"??

"Wow!", talk about irony! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 13, 2009 4:57 PM:

" To: Paul wrote on Oct 12, 2009 9:45 PM:

Funny how my comment about LBJ missed your hawk like vision, but then when you only read the first three lines and then begin your attack it's totally understandable.

LBJ the Texas Democrat was responsible for the deaths, missing in action etc., of more than 58,479 men and women and you skip over that like it was nothing.

You Paul and so many others have lost the memory of 911 and the devastation and over 4,000 people died at the hands of bin laden and his kind. But how many other lives did that destroy how many husbands, wives and children are still paying the price of that horrible incident.
Bush may have missed bin laden but he took care of the dictator in the Middle East who used to shout the loudest and shoot his shotgun into the air. Bush also would not be putting up with the crap from North Korea and Iran either Paul. He would have dealt them a very quick end to their missile launches and rhetoric. What does Obama do besides merely wring his hands? "

Paul wrote on Oct 13, 2009 6:40 PM:

" Alihandero wrote on Oct 12, 2009 7:53 PM:

Because Obama hasn't accomplished anything of substance at all!

What had bush done in 9 months??

We had already been attacked, we were already in Afgan, in two years we would be in Iraq finishing what Papi couldn't.

In the same 9 month period georgie had already accomplished a great deal of substance.

And if you credit him for keeping us safe from another 9/11 type attack,

Then by all means give him the credit that he's due.

He kept us safe from another Katrina also.

I think "some" here are jealous bush didn't get a Nobel Peace Prize.

Hats off to President Obama for promoting peace and NOT WARS.

How many MORE WARS do you want???????

If you really want to do your part then VOLUNTEER!

I am sick and tired of watching our young men and women going off to die with NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. And don't give me that "we are safer today thanks to bush. HE"S OUT OF OFFICE.

Broken record, "right back atcha." "

Inside The Fire wrote on Oct 13, 2009 8:21 PM:

" Bush was not perfect nor did I expect him to be. He is human. Nor do I expect Obama to be perfect. But I do expect him to be a brave moral leader and that he is not. I also do not expect the so called leader of my Country to put my Country down when he speaks to other nations. The people in this Country look to the President for strong leadership and a source of American pride. They get neither when they look at Obama. What they get is an anti American, radical, enexperenced, socialist, self focused President. "

Bobb wrote on Oct 13, 2009 8:49 PM:

" Hey, at least and American won it. The problem I see is that from what the judges said, they gave it to him for what he SAID he will do. That sure as Hattie's puts a lot of pressure on him to get it done. We all know that Congress will make the final decision. I sure would rather see someone get the award for actually getting something accomplished first and not just on what they said they would like to do. Obama's downfall will be from within if it happens as staff and cabinet members with their won agenda's can bring a President to his knees, even from within his own party. Remember "NO EARMARKS"? His own party failed him on that issue. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 13, 2009 10:00 PM:

" To: Paul
You don’t have any idea what torture is until you’ve had that experience. There are some old salts left out here who retired who can back up every word I say, if they will. Fight a preset oil fire in a block building with only your t-shirt to use to protect your lungs and filter the smoke.

We didn’t know what respirators were used for then unless you were a permanent member of the Damage Control Team.

You want to talk about hazing, get down on a non skid surface of a flight deck crawling on your hands and knees while some Shellback is rapping you on the butt with a cut off length of fire hose. Climbing through two weeks of garbage collected specifically for the occasion.

Then kissing a fat man’s belly that has axle grease smeared all over it just to pass an initiation. But I would like to think I am a better man today for having endeared it all. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 14, 2009 7:56 AM:

" I don't have anything against Obama getting the Nobel Peace prize. I just hope that he is able to back up his own words with action. I personally would have much rather that he won it in say 4 years after he has actually brought peace to the Mideast. I would like to see nothing better than that. I had hoped the Clinton could have done it, that Bush could have done it, but as the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. And that is how I feel about Mideast peace, you can talk it up a lot, but it is actually actions that we need not words. And until everyone there can forget the past and focus on the present, there will never be peace. "

Paul wrote on Oct 14, 2009 8:33 AM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 13, 2009 4:57 PM

"You Paul and so many others have lost the memory of 911."

Sorry again wdf... but when "some" inject their made up monikers like Commander in Thief and LBJ a demoncrat, I pass on those. So it's not that I missed it, it's that I get enough of that listening to fox news so when I read those same points here, I pass them up.

So, using your belief that "bush also would not be putting up with the crap from North Korea and Iran" then we would be fighting TWO MORE WARS!!!

Why don't we just put the world on notice that for whatever reason, they could be next? If "some" believe what they write, STEP UP and sign up for a tour in Iraq or Afgan. "Yes, we CAN win."

Come on; put your life where your keyboard is!

YEAH, I THOUGHT SO! "

Loanman wrote on Oct 14, 2009 8:54 AM:

" I think Obama meant it when he campaigned saying "no Earmarks", he just needs a Senate and a Congress that agrees with him. If you think he can do something Reid and Pelosi don't want, you're wrong! "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 14, 2009 12:41 PM:

" Why can't both parties come together and approve line item veto? I guess because then they wouldn't be able to write in their little earmarks regardless of party affiliation. If it is really something that everybody believes in and the President vetos it, then a majority could in turn override his veto. Let us all look at the facts for all of our elected officials. Yes I think that the two republicans that are in the news currently for having affairs should resign (the senator and the governor), and I would appricate the Democrats to be just as disapproving of their own when it happens. But instead they rally behind Rangel and his failure to report at a minimum of $75,000 and perhaps over 1.5 million. But I guess an affair by a REP is more devastating then a DEM failing to pay his fare share. Again they want to redistribute everyone's money but their own. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 14, 2009 2:18 PM:

" To: NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 14, 2009 7:56 AM:

I am of your same feeling nhg, I too would love to see peace in the Middle East but if you read your bible you'll realize that's where it is impossible to find any peace.

But those who speak of having a big stick and not being afraid to use it, were the poloticians who created so much closure and actual power to the people in Democratic Society.

The Presidents that we have had who seem to let everything run off their backs like water off a ducks back is not real, it demonstrates a lack of trust in our own military and our own people to endure. We the American Public have endured much in our short history, but you cannot change an enevitable event. If there is meant to be war in that region there will be war in that region. Our involvement depends greatly upon what the President does. But once again with almost 51,000 being lost in Vietnam, we must do better. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 14, 2009 2:28 PM:

" To: Paul wrote on Oct 11, 2009 8:44 PM:

I agree Bush took on two wars at the same time but then didn't Truman do exactly the same thing during WWII? He took on Japan and Asia and also Germany does that not constitute two wars. Germany didn't bomb us in Pearl Harbor! Why did we fight Germany, because they were slaughtering the jews.

That is what most of you don't get is Sadam was doing the same thing to the Kurdish Population in the North and his own people throughout Iraq. That was the birth of Chemical Ali, Sadam's cousin and his rain of terror. Yes I did say rain not reign.

You liberals always want to look the other way on these regions until they blow up into an all out war in the entire country.

Kim Jun Il of North Korea and Mr. Ahmadinejad of Iran are doing everything they can to provoke us into shooting down one of their missile launches. Some say to see if we can do it, others say to what extent could/would we be able to stop attack. "

Pete wrote on Oct 14, 2009 2:38 PM:

" Doesn't do anyone any good signing up for the war when the cowards back home are saying "we can't win". The cowards need to get on their keyboards and tell the President to listen to the General! Bush took way too long to decide in favor of the surge, it worked, and it would seem people might have learned from that. "

mvp8 wrote on Oct 14, 2009 6:02 PM:

" BREAKING NEWS:
This just in!!!!

Obama wins the Heisman Trophy after watching a college football game!!!!!!!
Stay tuned for more!!!!!! "

Paul wrote on Oct 14, 2009 10:40 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 14, 2009 2:28 PM:

"I agree Bush took on two wars at the same time."

Again you missed the point. But then that is expected.

Two unwinnable wars are, I guess, ok.

But the question that I posed was we are fighting in IRAQ, AFGAN and we are no closer to winning any of those wars than when bush put us there in Oct. of 2001.

And now you say we should go into IRAN and NORTH KOREA?

Again, why don't we just put the WORLD on notice and tell them that if they don't do what we say, we will start blasting them. Yes, America against the ENTIRE WORLD.

Germany and Japan were INVADING country after country and they were killing EVERYBODY in its path.

That was a noble cause.

Nation building or just because Papi couldn't finish a job the first time around, or because he shoots a shotgun into the air...

IS NOT A NOBLE CAUSE.

If everything was going so good under bush, why didn't cheney run to keep the good times rolling? "

jeff wrote on Oct 15, 2009 8:28 AM:

" "You want to talk about hazing, get down on a non skid surface of a flight deck crawling on your hands and knees while some Shellback is rapping you on the butt with a cut off length of fire hose. Climbing through two weeks of garbage collected specifically for the occasion.

Then kissing a fat man’s belly that has axle grease smeared all over it just to pass an initiation. But I would like to think I am a better man today for having endeared it all. "

No wonder they don't want women on submarines. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 15, 2009 11:26 AM:

" To: jeff wrote on Oct 15, 2009 8:28 AM:

That's a good thought jeff, when submarines have women on them jeff might apply. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 15, 2009 11:36 AM:

" To: Paul wrote on Oct 14, 2009 10:40 PM:

If you would pay attention the only award Obama should have received is for the natural progression and advancement of ACORN. An organization devious at best out and out criminal in the end.

As for the Kurds in the North and the other Iraqi citizens chemical ali determined were dispensible also probably appreciated Bush's decision.

A violent dictator and his two sons were taken out, did you not stay up for that CNN Special? Sometimes I think if it weren't for the liberal news media you would still be talking about ebonics.

I beg to differ with you Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and North Korea are very winable. We just need to utilitze our heavy cruisers/ submarines/ air craft carriers and a few good men and we could defeat any or all four of those countries. There are bombs and equipment we haven't even used yet, that could put them all well in their own place and we have the capability to knock any I said any of its luanchable missiles from the sky. "

not so fast wrote on Oct 15, 2009 2:20 PM:

" Well, interesting and winding path...full or half truths, mistruths, and distortions...as per normal.

WDF, You misstated WWII. TRUMAN didn't get us into it...FDR did. AND, we only were dragged into 2 FRONTS (NOT 2 wars) because after we declared war on Japan (justifiably) Germany declared war on us as they were allies. So your analogy to Truman is woefully misplaced.

They were NOT wars of convenience, nor "preemptive" wars. In military lexicon that has always been described as being the aggressor in the war.

Further, your allusions to Vietnam are misplaced. While there were over 58,000 killed in that war, Nixon - A republican - was president for the last 5 years of that war, and over 11,000 were killed on HIS watch. Don't try to blame the entirety of it on LBJ. It is far too easy for a republican to parrot Fox "News" on their talking points.

OBTW, our involvement in THAT conflict began with IKE...a Republican.

(continued) "

not so fast wrote on Oct 15, 2009 2:38 PM:

" And this discussion of Iran and NK is ridiculous. Were overextnded with what we have going on now. During the surge, we had more than 51% of our military forces deployed to Iraq and/or Afghanistan. That doesn't allow us the luxury of resting our forces adequately. We are stilled deployed at around 50% (including reserves). Going in to Iran/NK now would be a strategic blunder of epic proportions.

The comparison was made to WWII with the size and scope of that war and why we couldn't do it now. Well the draft for one thing. Reinstate that...and ansure there are NO waivers this time for politician's sons.

Our strategy purports to be able to fight 2 major theater wars nearly simultaneously. We are doing that, but are stretched to the limit. Thus it is good Obama is thoughtfully considering which direction to go next. Gen McChrystal is leading the war effort militarily, but is an advisor as the President makes the decisions.

(contined) "

not so fast wrote on Oct 15, 2009 2:41 PM:

" Enough pontificating though.

This discussion thread SHOULD be about Obama's winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

While I support the President, I think this was an unwise move on the part of the Nobel committee partially for the fallout we are seeing from the idealogues on the Faux News channel. This gives them the opportunity to spew their derision and hate and gets away from the discussions we should be having in this country.

My gut tells me there should have been more actions to point to as the meat of this prize before it was given to him. "

not so fast wrote on Oct 15, 2009 2:46 PM:

" Oh...and the Navy went to GREAT lengths to characterize the shellback ceremony as an initiation and NOT hazing. I am a golden shellback that went through my initiation in the early 80's when it did consist of the actions described above.

And you CHOSE to go through it. You could have opted out if you wanted to - yes even in the earlier days. So don't go crying on your responses about it. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 15, 2009 9:01 PM:

" To: not so fast wrote on Oct 15, 2009 2:46 PM:

I answered this once before let me try again, number 1 when I went through the Golden Shellback Initiation all those events did take place.

We didn't muster in the Hangar Bay and receive our certificates we had to go through all of what I described and more. I requested some old saltz to reply not you younger know nothings, I've probably urinated more salt water than you will ever sail across. I was ship's company not part of a detached air wing unit. "

Paul wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:11 AM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 15, 2009 11:36 AM:

"the natural progression and advancement of ACORN. An organization devious at best out and out criminal in the end."

Well wdf look at this...ACORN collected around $53 million over a 15 year period when congressional Republicans were more often than not in charge of the budgeting process.

"According to the Project on Government Oversight, a non-partisan, widely respected organization focusing on government waste, the three largest government contractors, Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Northrop Grumman,

all have a history riddled with fraud and other illegal behavior. Combined, these companies have engaged in 109 instances of misconduct just since 1995, and have paid fees and settlements for this misconduct totaling $2.9 billion."

But of course, we can't bring that up because it's for our national defense.

If I'm getting paid 200 billion for say making electrical parts for military jets and I know that if they catch me defrauding the Gov't by doing something illegal and my fine is going to be say 10 million $, would it matter??

So, if you want to bring out sleazy organizations, bring them all out!! "

Armonian wrote on Oct 16, 2009 9:20 AM:

" Hogwash. Now the Nobel Peace Prize is watered down and cheapened like the Presidency has been done with the Clinton's. "

diwillia wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:40 AM:

" A great move by the Nobel Prize committee.
Obama's selection establishes a new tone and
direction is foreign policy. He like many feel
there is a need for cooperative global foreign
policy. The days of the US going it alone should
be played down.
Like Vietnam, we find our selves fighting the
wrong people, in wrong place, for the wrong
reasons. We don't need to go down that tunnel
again with generals saying more troops and
we are winning the hearts and minds of the
people. The people see the Afghan government
as corrupt and supported by the US. Many see
us as occupying forces. Sometimes we just don't
have the answer for some of these issues.
A limited response may well be the best policy,
using drones, special forces, greater itell from
Pakistan. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 16, 2009 3:55 PM:

" Hey "notsofast,"

I agree with you: "it was given to him" you said and most certainly was NOT 'won' or 'earned' on a person's proven merits.

Barack Obama did not deserve to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in many, many peoples' opinion.

And it IS an embarrassment to the United States.

Thanks for helping us clear that up. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:07 PM:

" A on-topic question or two for "not so fast" if I may ask:

Since Obama is an agent of wold peace - witness the Nobel Peace Award - what do you think he should do about Iraq and Afghanistan?

Secondly, since you brought up the word "sleazy," do you think Obama's choice of numerous non-vetted czars is the epitome of reputable government? "

not so fast wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:18 PM:

" Well WDF...I guess since you know nothing of me nor what I have been through, your personal attack on my post should just be ignored...BUT...

What I said was that I went through the same initiation you went through. It changed in the 90's with the "kindler and gentler" (coined and desired by George H. W. Bush) Navy. If you had read my post you would have understood that. But your standard slash and burn approach got the best of you.

Oh, and in my 21 plus years in the Naval service, I sailed through a LOT of salt water. So if you are urinating enough salt water to fill the Pacific, Indian, and Atlantic oceans (all of which I cruised throughout), and the Persian Gulf, then you have a SERIOUS medical condition that you should probably get checked out. "

not so fast wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:10 PM:

" Well Alihandero you and I agree that he should not have been given the prize, but I don't think it is an embarassment to the US. More likely an embarassment to the Nobel Prize Committee.

I don't know the exact answer for both Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think our redeployment out of Iraq is the correct move now. They need to be able to manage their country for themselves. The US always SAID it wanted the people there to have self determination. Hopefully they will go towards democracy, but our stated goal has been their self determination.

In Afghanistan, I think establishing the strategy first before deployment is the wise choice. It appears there have been multiple options presented by McChrystal from no additional troops to 80,000 plus extra troops. Sending troops without a defined objective and results identified is folly we should not be engaging in.

Oh, and I never used the word 'sleazy' in my post. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:20 PM:

" "Well wdf look at this...ACORN collected around $53 million over a 15 year period when congressional Republicans were more often than not in charge of the budgeting process." Two wrongs does not make a party right notsofast, I didn't say that coruption was hard at work in both parties. But Niether John McCain nor George W. Bush claimed to be a leader of this obviously outed group of cheats and thieves, like your President has done on various occasion.s "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:22 PM:

" This would be comprobably to naming Joan Crawford Mother of the Year! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 16, 2009 10:51 PM:

" not so fast wrote on Oct 16, 2009 4:18 PM:

I would never say anything against another brothers service but to say that my military service during the Vietnam War was the same as the service my dad performed during WWII. Would then be complimentary to my service vs your service. If it is one thing I guarantee you is it gets easier not harder. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 17, 2009 7:03 PM:

" not so fast wrote on Oct 16, 2009 5:10 PM:

" Well Alihandero you and I agree that he should not have been given the prize...
Oh, and I never used the word 'sleazy' in my post.

Thank you "not so fast" for your cogent response, and I sincere apologize for the wrong attribution to the sleazy remark (that was "Paul" who said it)

You are too much of a gentleman to say that and I regret the error. "

Paul wrote on Oct 17, 2009 10:18 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 16, 2009 7:20 PM:

But Niether (neither?)John McCain nor George W. Bush claimed to be a leader of this obviously outed (ousted?) group of cheats and thieves, like your President has done on various occasion.s "

I have NEVER seen or heard President Obama SAY that he is the leader of Acorn. The only ones that keep mentioning that lie is hannity, beck and those here.

But what I find "funny" is that for the 8 of the past 15 years that Acorn has gotten funding (that's about 3.5 million per year) bush was at the wheel. He was funding them longer that Billy and President Obama.

Hummm, since bush was president during those 8 YEARS, in my book that makes bush MORE of a financial leader of Acorn than Billy and certainly for the 9 months President Obama has been at the wheel.

Amazing how "some" have eagles eyes for President Obama and Former President Clinton but turn a "blind" eye and claim that after all bush is out of office. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 18, 2009 5:10 PM:

" Paul wrote on Oct 17, 2009 10:18 PM:
"But what I find "funny" is that for the 8 of the past 15 years that Acorn has gotten funding (that's about 3.5 million per year) bush was at the wheel."

So "Paul, "

I guess now you can’t legitimately say former President George W. Bush was a racist, can you?

And look how much foreign aid he provided to Africa during his eight years as President of the United States.

Nope, he was no racist.

And looks like he helped the poor along the way too! "

Paul wrote on Oct 18, 2009 5:33 PM:

" Alihandero wrote on Oct 17, 2009 7:03 PM:

"and I sincere apologize for the wrong attribution to the sleazy remark."

I've asked from time to time if "some" read what they write.

The apology that was given here by ali "proves" that "some" don't.

But "some" can quote Latin and my favorite, Winston Churchill. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:56 PM:

" To: Paul wrote on Oct 17, 2009 10:18 PM:

You do realize that Barack Obama defended ACORN as a full time job in Chicago, don't you? I think that is a much closer tie to the organization than a sitting President who simply o.k.'s the congressional funding not knowing at the time what shinanigans ACORN was up to or about, that didn't surface until last month on candid camera. "

Paul wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:11 AM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:56 PM:

"a sitting President who simply o.k.'s the congressional funding"

You do realize that the "congressional funding" that he gave to Acorn was a republican congress. The same republicans that NOW want to end all funding to them.

Another funny thing that "some" always observe is that republican presidents had "no clue" as to what was going to happen or what was going on and everyone is supposed to accept that, whereas Democrats presidents "should have known" about plans that are being hatched in the caves of Tora Bora.

But remember that is blog started out as the Nobel Peace Prize that President Obama won.

I wonder when bush is going to get his??? "

jeff wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:41 AM:

" Do some actual research Fred. Obama never worked full time defending ACORN. If you have to lie in order to advance your agenda than maybe your agenda isn't worth advancing. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:03 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 19, 2009 4:56 PM:
"You do realize that Barack Obama defended ACORN as a full time job in Chicago…"

Watchdog Fred DID NOT LIE!

Obama did, in fact, work on several ACORN lawsuit (hopefully full time):

" In 2007, the AP reported, “Representing the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), Obama and other attorneys sued the state of Illinois, forcing it to implement federal ‘Motor Voter’ legislation that makes it easier for the poor and minorities to register to vote. "

" Barack represented ACORN in a successful lawsuit alongside the U.S. Department of Justice against the state of Illinois to force state compliance with a federal voting access law. "

" Obama Was Listed As The Lead Attorney For ACORN In Court Proceeding Regarding Illinois Motor Voter Implementation Plans. "

Sources:

[Associated Press, [AP, 2/20/07; ACORN, et al v. Edgar, Nos. 95-1800, 95-1801, 95-1802, 95-1803]

[ACORN v. Edgar, United States District Court, Northern District, Illinois, No. 95 C 174]

[ACORN v. Illinois State Board Of Elections, et al. No. 95-3456, U.S. Court Of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit]

No lie, "jeff.” "

ToldYouSo wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:29 PM:

" What a joke, they gave Obama the peace prize based on him doing absolutely nothing. Same reason they gave it to Gore. Anyone notice that if you are an extreme liberal that never did anything you get this prize. I'm also wondering when anyone will call Obama a liar yet again since he promised to support our troops in Afgan and even with our General begging him for help our "Peace Prize" winning president isn't doing anything even as more troops die there. He is definitely the liar here and the shoe does fit him well. "

Paul wrote on Oct 20, 2009 10:53 PM:

" Alihandero wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:03 PM:

"You do realize that Barack Obama defended ACORN as a full time job in Chicago…"

Watchdog Fred DID NOT LIE!

Obama did, in fact, work on several ACORN lawsuit (hopefully full time)." "HOPEFULLY?" What does "Hopefully mean??"

So what is the point ali... you haven't proved anything.

Your sources mention that President Obama was representing them and...???

NOWHERE does it mention that President Obama worked for Acorn FULLTIME, like wdf claims. So, I guess that is a "you lie" moment.

All your cited sources state is that President Obama was part of a group of lawyers.

And you and wdf haven't "PROVED" anything.

Well, I guess you have, that you listen to hannity, beck and rush for all your "facts."

But when is bush going to get his Nobel Peace Prize?

After all, bush didn't "do anything" in Afgan for 7 years. He didn't "do anything" after Katrina. And according to tys... that is the test one has to pass to get it. He should have gotten TWO.

Three for the "sound economy."

Where can you complain??? "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 21, 2009 2:39 AM:

" To: jeff wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:41 AM:

" Do some actual research Fred. Obama never worked full time defending ACORN. If you have to lie in order to advance your agenda than maybe your agenda isn't worth advancing. "

Look at the end of your nose and see if it is growing Jeff, once again no research makes you look like the jerk you are. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 21, 2009 2:41 AM:

" To: ToldYouSo wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:29 PM:

Once again the Nobel Peace Prize comes into question surrounding a recipient? How often in the past thirty years has this happened, sports fans! "

jeff wrote on Oct 21, 2009 9:51 AM:

" Thank you for helping me prove my point Alex. The vague paragraph that you have pasted here is misleading and you either know that or can't tell the difference.

The truth is that Obama worked "Full Time" for a legal firm by the name of Miner Barnhill who ACORN hired to represent them against the state of IL. You know who else worked with them? The Department of Justice. Does this mean the DOJ worked "Full Time" representing ACORN too?

Stop lying please. "

Deb wrote on Oct 21, 2009 1:57 PM:

" If it weren't for the continued propagation of the fringe element's propaganda these political blogs would be rather empty.

I would imagine Republicans would be outraged that any American be honored by a gift from the NOBEL Foundation as it was created via the Will of a self described socialist.

A full time job? Job connotates "employed by", WDF and Alihandero. It was not that at all but rather, the FIRM Obama worked for was engaged by ACORN... but, heck, what do a few little facts have to do with the truth? "

Pete wrote on Oct 21, 2009 8:48 PM:

" There's a big difference between being ignorant and being stupid. If you try to tell me that Obama doesn't favor ACORN and that he doesn't think like ACORN, you are STUPID!! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 22, 2009 3:42 AM:

" To: Deb, have you ever hired a firm of attorney's to discover the one you thought represented you had a legal staff, including other subordinate attorney's, legal assistants, private investigators, that the firm actually had it's own Public Relations Firm. All available and trained to peform a specific set of reponsibilities in every case assigned to it.

Obama had all this available and more and was named the lead attorney in all four of the channels of judiciary pruedence necessary to represent ACORN. Now where would you say during that particular time his time was spent, twiddling his thumbs gearing up for a run for President or representing his client? "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 22, 2009 4:09 AM:

" What the heck, someone writing here can't take literary license with the language of America, which is still English if I am not mistaken?

"Deb," have you not heard the phrase "marriage is a full-time job?" You take THAT word-for-word literally I suppose? I never received a time card to punch when I stepped off that alter years ago but I was a silent victim of sexual harassment for many years.

Watchdog is intelligent and can apply such appropriate language even if others cannot comprehend.

Just like when I use, say, a Latin phrase here or a quotation from Winston Churchill there - the savvy reader can always look up the meanings or just sit back, scratch their head, and retort with the vapid indignation of the righteous.

Sometime it takes a bit of work to learn the truth, folks.

And as always, please continue evaluate all that you read and judge for yourselves.

Thank you all! "

Paul wrote on Oct 22, 2009 3:50 PM:

" Pete wrote on Oct 21, 2009 8:48 PM:

" There's a big difference between being ignorant and being stupid. If you try to tell me that Obama doesn't favor ACORN and that he doesn't think like ACORN, you are STUPID!! "

From “fulltime” to now let’s move on to President Obama "favors" Acorn.

No wonder republicans are "never" wrong. They just move on to another topic in the middle of a "discussion."

Must be a class that “some” are giving on who answer a question with a question.

Or "a Latin phrase here or a quotation from Winston Churchill there" when plain good, old American English would do.

Thank God for "pompous" people and scholars."

Oh, and republicans. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Oct 22, 2009 6:49 PM:

" Pete is absolutely right. I even read on another article that they now have a bag you can put these stupid people into. I love America. "

Paul wrote on Oct 22, 2009 10:29 PM:

" ToldYouSo wrote on Oct 22, 2009 6:49 PM:

" Pete is absolutely right. I even read on another article that they now have a bag you can put these stupid people into. I love America. "

Good to know that "some" now have the power to decide who is "stupid" and who is not. The power to put them in a bag. What "bag"???? What "article"?? Who are "they"???

Kinda' sounds like someone else I know. Scratching my "head???" You betcha'.

Next thing "some" will know is who doesn't deserve to breathe.

Also good to know that "some" can't resist to name calling when the going gets tough.

"I can't defend" my point anymore so, so..., I'll just call everyone stupid. Mommmmmy!!!

I'm also glad that beck, hannity and rush have an audience that is only intelligent enough to "shout, scream you lie, their going to pull the plug on granny, water the tree of lib...yawn!!"

ali... when I use the word "pompous" you roll your eyes. I guess I should use "stupid" more often so "some" can be put in a bag. "

Pete wrote on Oct 23, 2009 5:16 AM:

" Ramble on paul, but you can't deny obama favors and thinks like ACORN. "

SuziQ wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:33 PM:

" Joe Wilson yelled "YOU LIE' because Obama lied. Paul, did you know your hero lies? Has he ever told you a lie? "

Paul wrote on Oct 23, 2009 3:30 PM:

" Pete wrote on Oct 23, 2009 5:16 AM:

" Ramble on paul, but you can't deny obama favors and thinks like ACORN. "

Sorry peet but to this day no matter how hard I try, I can't read minds.

I haven't "learned" that trick yet.

I don't know what President Obama thinks or favors. If I did, I'd be a rich man.

Are you a rich man? If I KNEW what ANYONE thinks or favors, I'd already have made a ton of money. What are you waiting for?

Ramble on right back atcha'. I deny. "

Paul wrote on Oct 23, 2009 8:54 PM:

" SuziQ wrote on Oct 23, 2009 12:33 PM:

" Joe Wilson yelled "YOU LIE' because Obama lied. Paul, did you know your hero lies? Has he ever told you a lie? "

Are you and peet neighbors??

What did President Obama lie about??? Please explain.

President Obama has NOT lied to me. I have never talked to him.

Did you ever talk to bush?? And I don't mean a handshake.

With your telepathic abilities, "some" should open up a palm reading place and make a ton of money.

But I do know one thing. georgie left MESSES at the table for President Obama to clean up. And in the 9 MONTHS President Obama has been at the wheel, WE HAVEN’T BEEN ATTACKED.

Are "some" of you just jealous that georgie didn't get a Peace Prize? Is that what all this is about?????

tys...said the TEST for getting the "prize" is not doing ANYTHING while in office.

Again... georgie should have gotten "THREE."

He worked "hard" for those "prizes."

Where can you complain??? " "

ToldYouSo wrote on Nov 6, 2009 3:29 PM:

" Paul the simple fact that Al Gore and Obama have both received the prize is reason enough for me to never want any Republican to get this useless and 100% political award. However, at least when your failed hero Obama lies he knows he is telling a lie. That idiot Gore actually believes all his mis-statements of fact. "

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