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Health care in danger

Editor: At what point do you lose credibility? Can you say anything to your chosen audience and have them believe it to be true? Are their minds so narrowly focused that light from another source is automatically filtered out?

Are these really people who think the health plan will include death squads for the elderly? Or that it is written in a way by the Democrats to do away with Republicans?

Wake up, folks! If we do not get hold of health care it will terminate itself. It will become more and more expensive and fewer and fewer will be able to afford it. The health corporations will devour us and themselves. My insurance just went up to $75 a month.

The GOP professes to be concerned about large bureaucracy. Have you ever thought about what the sum of all the health corporations bureaucracy totals?

Where on the health corporation financial check list do you think patients appear? Is it before or after profits, share holders, corporate administration, building expansions, acquisitions of other health corporations?

Choose your floatation devise carefully ... There seems to be the odor of greed and fear in those who protest.

John Waddell

Lemoore

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

RobertD wrote on Oct 16, 2009 11:24 AM:

" A quote from Robert Reich, prominent Obama advisor:

"We're going to have to, if you're very old, we're not going to give you all that technology and all those drugs for the last couple of years of your life to keep you maybe going for another couple of months. It's too expensive...so we're going to let you die."

Doesn't sound like a death squad but it doesn't sound very caring either. Bottom line: there are no easy answers to the health care cost problem. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Oct 17, 2009 10:26 AM:

" John,

Nice letter.

I hope you (and family) are doing well.

Greetings from Switzerland. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 17, 2009 7:45 PM:

" And how about those runaway malpractice lawsuits?

Tort reform NOT an issue with you, John Waddell?

Perhaps your friend Scott Tucker can help with an on-topic related comment... "

Skip wrote on Oct 19, 2009 11:09 AM:

" Saw a poll this morning showing 54% do not approve of government health care bill, 42% support it and that is down 4 points in two weeks. Seems like the more people learn about it the less they approve of it. Of course, that's because people are getting educated about it and finding out the truth. And the truth is: IT"S NO GOOD!! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 19, 2009 5:04 PM:

" To: John Waddell,

Kind sir MEDICARE IS $95 per month and rising. It was provided and is today provided by the government and look at the per cost premium.

If we the upcoming generation to devour more social security and medical than any previous generation, has learned anything, f you want the cost of something to go up, just hand it over to the government and let them sponsor it. Once Congress has control it immediately spins out of control and crash's and burns circa 1929. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 19, 2009 5:13 PM:

" To: John Waddell,

99.9% of what is wrong with America is government officials trying to make it right. No Thank You keep Government out of my bedroom and away from my emergency room.

The government promised me for four years of service it would gain me lifetime medical, I got an explanation of benefits today they billed my private insurance $2600 for an office visit at VA Fresno. Just in time to get it under the wire they billed my private insurance $76,000 last year.

That is Obama's new kindler gentler General in charge of the VA. Where do I sign up to get those four years back out of my life, I lived up to my end of the deal? To those considering entering service today,

An office visit, you know why because they figure if they collect a $100 they are money ahead? "

dose wrote on Oct 19, 2009 5:47 PM:

" Wow Skip you saw a poll, I noticed you didn't actually mention which poll it was or provide a link to support your extremely dubious claim.

I have an actual poll that exists somewhere other than in Skip's head. It is the new ABC/WaPo poll that clearly shows a majority of Americans support a public option by 57% and that rises to 76% if the option is only for people who can't afford health insurance.

http://abcnews.go.com/PollingUnit/Politics/obama-health-care-abc-news-washington-post-poll/Story?id=8863442 "

jeff wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:44 AM:

" Fred says "No Thank You keep Government out of my bedroom"

I guess this means he no longer believes in the government telling us who we can and can't marry. Thanks for supporting gay marriage Fred, I knew you would come around. "

jeff wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:46 AM:

" "I got an explanation of benefits today they billed my private insurance $2600 for an office visit at VA Fresno. Just in time to get it under the wire they billed my private insurance $76,000 last year."

What are you upset about exactly Fred? It's not like they sent you the bill. This just shows that your medical coverage is working for you. "

Devil's Advocate wrote on Oct 20, 2009 12:57 PM:

" All of the bills coming through Congress seem to just add bad provisions onto the exiting flawed health insurance system.

If that's all that's going to be done, why not do the reforms people actually want, like tort reform/limits to medical malpractice and interstate competition among companies? If you're worried about bad doctors, put something in place that wold take away their license, not make it more expensive for them to practice bad medicine.

Why the push to add things people are opposed to, like an unfunded public option or abortion coverage? Granted these are the pet projects of the administration, but they are also the biggest reason to given oppose the reforms by both Dems and Reps.

If there are obvious flaws to the system (fraud/waste/abuse) that can be fixed, why not just fix them? Supposed enough can be fixed to pay for the new mandates - so why not just fix it in the existing system? "

RobertD wrote on Oct 20, 2009 2:38 PM:

" I'll come to Skip's defense. The poll is the latest from Rasmussen:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform

And come on Dose, ABC/WaPo! All I can say is--LOL!!!!! "

dose wrote on Oct 20, 2009 3:45 PM:

" To RobertD:

Are you seriously trying to say that Rasmussen is a more credible polling outfit then ABC/WaPo. If you believe that then I have a bridge I'd love to sell you. "

SJT wrote on Oct 20, 2009 5:27 PM:

" Mr. Waddell's observation is substantiated:

“They are trying to make you worry and fear a government bureaucrat between you and your doctor. What you have now is a corporate bureaucrat between you and your doctor.” ... "I saw how they confuse their customers and dump the sick—all so they could satisfy their Wall Street investors.” - Wendell Potter, former Cigna executive.

As long as profit is the motive, care for the sick is secondary. There was a time when hospital insurance entities were non-profit, but like Marcus Welby, M.D., that era is long-gone. In the meantime, the CEO of Potter's former employer, H Edward Hanway, enjoys a 5-Year compensation total
$78.31 million. Can that be fixed? Yes - single-payer could, but if all we can do is a public option, then we must. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 20, 2009 7:42 PM:

" To: jeff wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:44 AM:

" Fred says "No Thank You keep Government out of my bedroom"

Nowhere did I say keep government out of Jeff's bedroom. Nor was that any kind of endorsement for gay marriage. If you choose to hold another man's hand that is your choice, get that Jeff, choice, not a right. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 21, 2009 12:45 PM:

" "if you give me the numbers, I can give you the poll"

Here are two urls with information provided differently on current polls:

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20091020-717558.html

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/10/21/obama.poll/index.html

The first does reference both polls noted in previous posts, and makes reference to how the data may be skewed.

The second doesn't exactly address the health issue solely, but does have a poll where the majority are against President Obama's plans.

But if I were to poll only Democrats I would surely get a different percentage then if I were to poll solely Republicans. But it is amazing that one day you can have a poll that shows the majority of Americans are against the health bill as it currently is written, and then the next day you have a poll that says the majority of Americans support health care reform. Both can be right, you just have be careful of how the statement is written, i.e. I can support the need for health care reform, but at the same time not support the health care bill as currently written. "

Skip wrote on Oct 21, 2009 1:33 PM:

" Read a ABC/WaPo poll last night showing people who favor obama's handing of the war in Afghanistan has dropped to 45%, down 10 points from last month. When did you buy that bridge dose? Poor little dose needs to read more... "

RobertD wrote on Oct 21, 2009 1:37 PM:

" Ok Dose. Explain this:

"The Washington Post published a poll today finding that Americans oppose the Obama administration’s health care plan 48% to 45%. "

This was reported by The Heritage Foundation (yes, Dose, I know a conservative think tank) yesterday. Here's the link:

http://blog.heritage.org/2009/10/20/wapo-poll-americans-still-oppose-obamacare/

Granted the numbers are lower than Rasmussen but both show more opposing than supporting....a huge change from three months ago. "

RobertD wrote on Oct 21, 2009 1:39 PM:

" No one has responded to the Reich quote I cited above. Is this view not worrisome to any of you? And Dose, no need for bridges in the beautiful Central Valley. "

Pete wrote on Oct 21, 2009 1:42 PM:

" You Libs need to wake up!! Skip quoted the poll correctly and dose tries to call him a liar. Your MASTER is failing and falling fast!!! "

dose wrote on Oct 21, 2009 2:17 PM:

" Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 20, 2009 7:42 PM:
" To: jeff wrote on Oct 20, 2009 11:44 AM:

" Fred says "No Thank You keep Government out of my bedroom"

Nowhere did I say keep government out of Jeff's bedroom. Nor was that any kind of endorsement for gay marriage. If you choose to hold another man's hand that is your choice, get that Jeff, choice, not a right. "

So apparently Fred doesn't want the government telling him how to live. But he wants the government to tell every one else how to live. Way to show off your hypocrisy Fred. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 21, 2009 5:09 PM:

" dose wrote on Oct 21, 2009 2:17 PM:
"he wants the government to tell every one else how to live."

So do I "dose" as well as the majority of good patriotic Americans:

It called obeying the LAWS and REGULATIONS set forth by a lawfully-elected GOVERNMENT.

Is that news to you, "dose?" "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 21, 2009 5:23 PM:

" To: dose wrote on Oct 21, 2009 2:17 PM:

Let me guess the bridge even has a name: London Bridge is falling down, falling down, falling down. So is your credibility. "

kermit the frog wrote on Oct 21, 2009 6:30 PM:

" Dose, you are so cool!

What are we supposed to do? There is a current story about a 2 year old being denied insurance because she was too petite. A few days ago a baby was denied insurance because he was too fat. (they have since been reversed)

People may be leery of government controlling a lot of things, but healthcare is something everyone should have, somehow. I was recently hospitalized for a big surgery and 3 days recovery. $40,000, Cost me $250. I also recently had a small surgery and 5 days recovery, $65,000, cost me almost nothing because I have met my copay for the year. My insurance is $1600/mo for 2 people. Can everyone afford that?

Doctors, hospitals, and pharmaceutical companies don't need to charge so much, but really, what are we supposed to do? Everyone should have affordable healthcare one way or another. The government already pays for coverage for a LOT of people, whether veterans, cheats, disabled, elderly, or undocumented patients.

What to do? Give some suggestions if you don't like what's being thrown around now. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 22, 2009 5:15 AM:

" Yes sir, RobertD:

That Robert Reich quote is one of many revealing socialist statements he made in his 'short' tenure as Sec. of Labor for Bill Clinton.

Although of tiny stature (4' 10½), the grandiose uber-liberal assertions he continues to make include such classics as:

"Centrism is bogus."

"The silent majority really is a liberal majority."

"Radical conservatives want to police bedrooms."

"The executive branch is a bit player in this economy."

"I do think we're in a new era now in which job growth will remain sluggish for quite some time."

"Criteria can be set so that the money does go to others. The long- term unemployed, minorities, women, people who are not necessarily construction workers or high skilled professionals."

Sounds like a socialist prophet and liberal genius?

Read and decide folks, and thanks again RobertD! "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 22, 2009 1:49 PM:

" To:kermit the frog wrote on Oct 21, 2009 6:30 PM:

What we do is sell those who don't have insurance a government sponsored health care plan. Once you get everyone on a health plan we won't be paying for all those who don't want to part with the premium each month.

Those who usually have a driver's license, don't have a home phone, but walk around with a cell phone glued to their ear.

Those who don't have the money to pay for health care but can be seen partying on the weekends or gambling at the Palace. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 22, 2009 6:03 PM:

" All I can say in regard to a national healthcare or in general is when the Senators, Congressman, President and all other elected officials sign up for it, I will follow them. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 22, 2009 7:02 PM:

" For the benefit of "SJT" who doesn't know how to use an online search engine such as Google (just type the phrase in and hit enter, duh), go to this You Tube link for the Reich-master's "We're going to Let you Die" speech entitled:

"Robert Reich: What An Honest President Would Say About Health Reform"

at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IT7Y0TOBuG4&feature=player_embedded "

Scott Tucker wrote on Oct 23, 2009 3:39 AM:

" The "Watchog" wrote:

"All I can say in regard to a national healthcare or in general is when the Senators, Congressman, President and all other elected officials sign up for it, I will follow them."

Fred, many Republican members of Congress are already using a nationalized, single-payer form of healthcare: Medicare.

Here are just a select few or your ideological leaders who are using Medicare, but still want to deny affordable healthcare to fellow citizens:

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA), Sen. Jon Kyl (R-AZ), Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), Sen. Orin Hatch (R-UT), Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL), Sen. James Inhofe (R-OK), Sen. Mike Enzi (R-WY), Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC), and Rep. Peter King (R-NY).
(http://weiner.house.gov/news_display.aspx?id=1364)

And, let's not forget about those "socialized", government-run VA benefits that, I assume, you, as a veteran of our armed services, receive.

So, when will you be signing up? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:19 AM:

" Scott, love the way that you attempt to indicate that it is just a Republican thing, how about being the "unbiased" person that you always claim to be and show all of the Democrats that are also 62 or older and are signed up for by law for Medicare or Medicaid.

And I think that you also know exactly what WDF meant by his statement about healthcare, once all of "ordinary" citizens can sign up for the exact same healthcare that ALL congresional personel are afforded, then he would sign up for it also.

Since you like to dig up the facts, do all of those in congress that can get medicare/medicaid, is that their only coverage? Or do they still get those golden eggs of coverage for nothing? "

RobertD wrote on Oct 23, 2009 11:29 AM:

" I'm 43 and have never been in the military, but aren't there numerous horro stories about VA and Medicare coverage? Maybe some of you who have those plans could enlighten the rest of us.

Also, Scott, I think everyone is in favor of "affordable healthcare" as a goal, but our differences come in how that is to be achieved. I know I in no way want to sacrifice the quality of care for affordability. Is there a need for such an all-encompassing plan like those that have been proposed? Are there models of smaller plans that might be better? "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 23, 2009 3:31 PM:

" Well Scott, you are singing the praises for Medicare as if it is completely voluntary for Congress as their sole healthcare insurer and I will bet you dollars to donuts they have other primary or supplemental Cadillac plans to cover most/all outlier costs. So much for the single payer scheme being cheap and affordable, eh?

Aside from your tasking advantage of foreign income tax loopholes and exclusions, if Obamacare does pass, I would expect you to cheer at U.S. tax time as you pay for someone else's healthcare costs when your 'fair share' for the folks back home comes due.

As an unabashed liberal progressive, don't YOU want to do the fair thing for your fellow Americans back in the old country, Scott? "

Skip wrote on Oct 23, 2009 5:05 PM:

" There are more people unemployed in our nation than people who can't get health insurance. Now, there are more people WITHOUT insurance than unemployed, that doesn't mean they CAN'T get it. "

SJT wrote on Oct 23, 2009 5:29 PM:

" Opt out.

If red-state Sens & Reps don't want to impose a public option on their constituents - let 'em. California is decidedly blue, so if you're vehemently opposed to a public option plan to access affordable health care, then you could consider moving to TX or S. Carolina. I think it's a great idea. Not sure how those constituents would feel about the idea, especially when seeing their relatives up north enjoy affordable access to health care (but they can certainly exercise their democratic right to vote for those who would make the public option available down the road).

Oh, and Ali - here's the Robert Reich I know:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXFHXqrrJ6g "

kermit the frog wrote on Oct 23, 2009 8:50 PM:

" OK, Fred, but how do you MAKE people pay for health insurance? Not everyone is going to do it, and they might be the ones at an emergency room tomorrow for a stabbing or to deliver a baby. Not everyone pays taxes (some people get refunds of thousands of dollars every year, meaning they made money). That's what I wish would change. "

Watchdog Fred wrote on Oct 24, 2009 12:09 AM:

" To: kermit the frog wrote on Oct 23, 2009 8:50 PM:

The way to stop the abuse is a system the Feds have used forever. When someone applies for a loan to buy a car or house or major purchase you run them through a data base and find out if they have outstanding medical bills. If they want the money bad enough they will pay their bill or get insured. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Oct 24, 2009 2:57 AM:

" NHG,

Thanks for your reply. It was not my attempt to indicate that Medicare "is just a Republican thing". I just figured that given Fred's proclaimed love for the "demoncraps" that he would not be impressed if they were also covered under the Medicare plan. My attempt was to highlight the hypocrisy of the Republican (and Fred's) platform. Here they are discouraging the passage of a government-run healthcare program, while at the same time benefiting from a similar, government-run program.

As far as golden eggs are concerned, I really don't feel like doing your homework for you, But, like the members of Congress, if Fred is still not pleased with his government-run healthcare program, then he will still be able to seek coverage from private insurers. A government-run healthcare program will not be the only one, it is an option for those who cannot afford to go through private providers.

Thanks for the dialogue, NHG. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Oct 24, 2009 3:11 AM:

" RobertD,

Thank you also for your reply.

I think your fears about quality for affordability are well founded and I think that this is THE question that most people have about healthcare reform. I personally do not think that the quality of healthcare available in the USA will be affected by the reforms currently being discussed in D.C. But, without trying, we will never know, will we?
What is clear is that the status quo cannot be maintained. Just as Mr. Waddell highlighted in his letter: "If we do not get hold of health care it will terminate itself. It will become more and more expensive and fewer and fewer will be able to afford it."

Are there plans that might be better? I am sure there are. Let's figure out what they might be and give them a go.

Regret for something done can be difficult, this is true, but regret for something NOT done is even worse. I am at least willing to give it a try, aren't you?

I appreciate your willingness to engage the matter in a cordial manner. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Oct 24, 2009 3:22 AM:

" Ali-"broken record poster"-handero,

We have been over this before. You have no clue what I earn, what my annual income is, or what I pay in taxes, do you? Nope. Didn't think so. So, instead of trying to slander my character, why don't YOU do the fair thing for your fellow American citizens and support healthcare reform that will benefit everyone? That's right, you do nothing to help, you don't even really care about your fellow citizens, you just sit back in the shadows, protected by your anonymity, pompously poking fun at felllow Sentinel posters. Bravo! "

kermit the frog wrote on Oct 24, 2009 6:33 PM:

" You can run people's credit through the system when they want to make a purchase, but remember, the majority of bankruptcy cases supposedly are due to extreme medical bills people can't pay. There are always going to be people who don't earn money and don't pay their bills. And they're the ones showing up at the hospitals having been shot, stabbed, or having a baby they can't pay for. What else can we do? I wish there weren't people who float through life on hand-outs, but I don't know how to stop it. People can get free coats, food, school breakfasts and lunches, vaccines, and medical care. Yes we can be generous but how many people have come to expect these giveaways? "

Skip wrote on Oct 24, 2009 6:37 PM:

" I'm going tell you something that you can keep an eye on. If 'they' agree on a health bill out of committee and they vote on it in less than two weeks, before it can be studied, there is something wrong. If you don't know this, I just hope you don't have children, because you're not wise enough to get them ready for life! "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 25, 2009 2:09 PM:

" Scot, I did try to find names of Democrats on Medicare, but couldn't find a source. So that is why I asked you to be unbiased and provide both.

To both you and SJT, yes Medicare is government run, but the majority of people that receive it's benefits, supposedly paid into it, just like I have and hopefully will be able to benefit from my payments when it is my turn.

I can't speak for the others, but feel that my opinion might be in line with theirs. I am tired of giving out free stuff. I have played by the rules, make payments on time for all of my loans, never take out more then I can handle. And what do I get for it? Nothing, except having to pay higher taxes so others who have no interest in budgeting their money can get windfalls from the government. I don't mind helping those who help themselves first, but am against the professional takers. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 25, 2009 2:14 PM:

" Scot, I was glad to see that at least in your post your appear to be open to other options, which apparently our Democrat government isn't. They want to push their bill through without reading it, without answering those legitimate questions that have been raised.

Will I be able to switch from my current health insurance to the Public Option? Or will I be penalized because I am a good little trooper and have been taking care of business?

Why is the liberal platform trying to put a cap on malpractice suits? I am sure a lot of people would be for that. Just a simple little step. Try that first, see how it works, then go on to the next problem. Solve the problems one at a time, because yes I do fear this great big one bandage covers all format. It prevents us from seeing the internal bleeding (spending without income) that is happening. "

Alihandero wrote on Oct 25, 2009 3:47 PM:

" kermit the frog wrote on Oct 24, 2009 6:33 PM:
" I wish there weren't people who float through life on hand-outs, but I don't know how to stop it. "

Excellent observation, kermit.

Setting limits IS tough.

At some time we the people have got to 'just say NO' and set realistic endpoints to curtail this endless give-away mindset if you decide to follow that path.

Unfortunately, that means getting in touch with POLITICS.

We are usually forced to choose between liberal theory (take from the rich - give to the poor via social and economic 'justice,' big gov't. controls all the time) and conservative philosophy (small govt., minimal essential entitlements, small business support and stimulus, encouraging self-reliance and personal responsibility, giving people a 'hand-up' and not merely a 'handout.')

If you are an independent you can choose workable solutions from BOTH political points of view that work best for you and yours.

Unfortunately, the ability to act as an independent thinker entices others who are personally and perpetually life-polarized into calling you a "hypocrite."

Goes with the territory, kermit.

Sticks & stones and all that. "

Deb wrote on Oct 26, 2009 11:37 AM:

" TO: NotHomegrown
Here's a link to NEWS: New Weiner Study Shows 151 Members of House and Senate Get the “Public Option” Now
http://weiner.house.gov/news_display.aspx?id=1364 "

Pete wrote on Oct 27, 2009 3:51 PM:

" Deb, Medicare is not the "Public Option" we are talking about. You need to get up to speed and get back to us. You might try listening to Rush for the rest of the week to get educated. "

Deb wrote on Oct 28, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Hey Pete - I was just providing NHG the documentation he said he was unable to find. No need for the condescending tone. "

Pete wrote on Oct 28, 2009 10:26 AM:

" Yes you were Deb, my mistake. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Oct 28, 2009 9:32 PM:

" Deb, I wouldn't call medicare a public option, I don't have any option, the money is taken straight out of my pay. But that is only symantics.

Thanks for the post, and it states there are 150 of which only 54 are Republicans. So it appears that it is nearly 2 to 1 Dems to Repubs, and that was the fact that I was trying to get Scot to show, since he had in essence implied it was only Repubs. I don't hold anything against any of them getting it if they paid in, but in the same breath I wonder how they can get any benefit as I would think their salary puts them over the threshold of what can be made before you lose some medicaid allowances. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Nov 3, 2009 6:44 PM:

" I don't see how health care is related to gay marriage, but Jeff can marry anyone he wants in some countries. "

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