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Obama vows to fight on

WASHINGTON -- Democratic lawmakers must soon decide whether President Barack Obama is leading them toward statesmanlike courage or political folly with his take-no-prisoners reassertion of an ambitious social agenda.

Obama used his first State of the Union speech Wednesday to push nervous Democrats to forge ahead on health care, despite voters' worries and opposition from newly strengthened Republicans. Sharpening his focus on the economy, he offered a hodgepodge of tax breaks and other incentives to create new jobs.

For Republicans, Obama blended a mix of overtures and digs. But he mainly addressed fellow Democrats, who still can enact his agenda if they overcome fears fueled by events such as last week's stunning GOP victory in the Massachusetts Senate race.

That setback may have cost Democrats their filibuster-proof Senate majority, Obama said, but "we still have the largest majority in decades, and the people expect us to solve some problems, not run for the hills."

He accepted partial blame for the deep troubles facing his health care push, but he implored lawmakers to finish the task rather than yield to public opposition.




"The longer it was debated, the more skeptical people became," Obama told the joint session of Congress and a nationwide TV audience. But health care problems will continue for millions, he said, and "I will not walk away from these Americans, and neither should the people in this chamber."

House and Senate Democratic leaders are scrambling to see if they can salvage the ambitious health care package, which Republicans almost universally oppose. Obama's pep talk was a call to arms, but he offered no new strategies for overcoming the steep parliamentary and political hurdles they face.

The president devoted most of his 65-minute speech to job-creation proposals, such as eliminating capital gains taxes on small business investment and extending tax breaks for businesses to invest in new plants and equipment. But those proposals also face uncertainty in Congress, where Senate Democrats say they may need a selective, piecemeal approach to win enough votes.

Obama said Republicans share a responsibility for governing, and he proposed meeting with their House and Senate leaders monthly. But his olive branch seemed brittle at times.

Without naming George W. Bush, he pointedly noted that the previous administration left him a big deficit and a deeply troubled economy. For good measure, Obama said the United States killed more al-Qaida terrorists in 2009 than in 2008.

Obama rebuked the Supreme Court for a recent decision that "reversed a century of law to open the floodgates for special interests" and foreign corporations to make unlimited campaign contributions. At that, conservative Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito made a dismissive face, shook his head in disagreement and seemed to mouth the words "not true" as the president spoke.

Republicans in the House chamber generally greeted such remarks with stony gazes and smirks. The statements they issued as soon as Obama finished -- or even before he finished, in some cases -- were equally icy.

"We had hoped to hear a new commitment to keep his promises to govern from the center, change the tone in Washington, and work with both parties in a bipartisan way to help small businesses create jobs and get our economy moving again," said House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio. "Unfortunately, the president and the Democrats in charge of Congress still aren't listening to the American people."

Vice President Joe Biden, appearing in an interview Thursday morning on NBC's "Today" show, described Obama as upset with the way his program has been handled in Congress.

"One of the things that's most frustrating to him," Biden said, "is the obstructionist ways of the United States Senate, on the part of the Republicans, requiring 60 votes, a supermajority, for virtually every single, solitary initiative we've had. Now that we have 59 votes, it's time for everybody to start taking responsibility."

Obama has the luxury of waiting until 2012 to seek re-election, while all 435 House seats and a third of the Senate seats are up for grabs this November. Some Democrats most nervous about the election are urging the administration to slow down, especially on the health care issue that has dominated Congress's attention for months.

Obama gave them no comfort. "Change has not come fast enough" for millions of Americans, he said. "We must answer history's call."

To read the full text of the speech, click here

(Jan. 28, 2010)

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peterock03 wrote on Jan 28, 2010 1:54 PM:

" IMPEACH OBAMA!!!!!!!!! WHAT DO YA SAY??????? "

Alihandero wrote on Jan 28, 2010 3:21 PM:

" Wow!

"Change has not come fast enough" for millions of Americans, he said. "We must answer history's call" says Mr. Obama.

Yep he is right:

Just like the original patriotic Americans who fought to throw off the bonds of England and the absolute monarch King George.

"History's call" is not the progressive socialistic tax and spend and wealth redistributing big government plans Obama and his cohorts are trying to ram down the throats of the American people.

Try to usurp the will of the people and you will eventually reap the consequences of a free, proud nation. "

hanfordian wrote on Jan 28, 2010 4:50 PM:

" He is phony and I'm sorry I voted for him. I worked 13 years and just got my unemployment cut. 6 months and I get cut when I know multiple people that have been on it for years. How is that fair? I fall through the cracks...what pricks.. "

Mrs.D wrote on Jan 29, 2010 6:09 PM:

" "Fight on"? Fight on for old SC? How's that troop withdrawl coming along? Did the Cash For Clunkers revive the Big 3? All I know is that Michele's hairstylists and dressmakers are fully employed and happy. "

Paul wrote on Jan 29, 2010 11:40 PM:

" Alihandero wrote on Jan 28, 2010 3:21 PM:

"Try to usurp the will of the people and you will eventually reap the consequences of a free, proud nation. "

Yep!! The republicans and bush and McCain and palin reaped theirs when the American people in Nov. of 08' voted.

Yep!! Wonder why that isn't mentioned. McCain was able to mention it. "Blame it on bush," he said. Methinks he was referring to HIS loss BECAUSE of bush.

Methinks it's MORE of a question of NOT BELIEVING and STILL not believing that President Obama WON that anything else. "

Paul wrote on Jan 29, 2010 11:50 PM:

" hanfordian wrote on Jan 28, 2010 4:50 PM:
" He is phony and I'm sorry I voted for him. I worked 13 years and just got my unemployment cut. 6 months and I get cut when I know multiple people that have been on it for years. How is that fair? I fall through the cracks...what pricks.. "

Only 13 years???

That MUST mean you are fairly young.

Go back to SCHOOL. There are several provisions that allow you to be re trained for another job under unemployment.

I know some who went on to get a college degree and come out better than they were before.

Of course, they didn't sit around and feel sorry for themselves either.

Oh, woe is me. PLEASE.

oh. and peterock03... I say theres rocks in the heads of "some." "

RobertD wrote on Jan 30, 2010 9:09 AM:

" I know the age old saying about statistics, but can anyone name a recent poll in which a majority of Americans support Obamacare or the "cap and trade" bill? Seems to me the Republicans are not "obstructionists" but simply representing the will of the people like they are supposed to do as our representatives.

There are issues regarding healthcare that the two parties could come to terms on. Tort reform, for example. This alone would help reduce costs and make insurance cheaper. Why won't Obama consider that? Oh, I forgot, he recieved over 43 million in campaign donations from Lawyers and Law Firms in the last election. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Jan 30, 2010 9:30 PM:

" Obama ran an election of lies of empty promises and is quickly turning into one of the biggest loser Presidents of all time. You'd think the Mass. election would have taught him something, but he feels he is smarter than the people of this country and smarter than the Supreme Court who he insulted during his speech. They upheld our Constitution and he had the nerve to question their decision. Pete is right as usual, how did this con man even get elected? "

peterock03 wrote on Jan 31, 2010 5:18 PM:

" OBAMA THE ANTI-CHRIST??? MAKES YOU JUST THINK HMMMM.......... "

Skip wrote on Feb 1, 2010 8:52 AM:

" I don't think it would be wise to try to impeach obama. Besides, having Bill Clinton as the last President to be impeached has a special ring to it. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 1, 2010 8:37 PM:

" Paul I agree that Obama has every right to question Supreme Court decisions, but when they are guests at your speech and you were never much more than a punk lawyer you should show them some respect. Plus if you are too immature to show them respect you should at least be able to correctly state the decision and its impact instead of making a public statement that was not true at all. You'd think a Harvard Law Grad would have at least read the case before mis-stating the holding on live nationwide tv. I agree Obama won the election, don't think you can ever say I denied that. However I did say after 4 years of Obama the country will rush back to common sence for at least 8 Republican years. Let's watch and see. Sorry Hanfordian, you believed the dream and the lies and are now just another victim. How many here have had a loan mod actually get approved under Obama's plan... I bet all we hear is silence. How many here got a new job because of Obama I bet nobody. "

kathleen wrote on Feb 2, 2010 10:01 AM:

" Paul. Unemployment is paid thru the state. Obama sent lots of federal money to extend unemployment benefits for many in this state. School is a great idea. I became disabled and decided to go back to school and get a degree and it was the best thing I ever did in my life. I was 40. School was fun and enlightening and I came out a much better person for it. Instead of dogging Obama and being so negative, perhaps we as "Americans" can do more in a positive way to make things better right here in our own communities, whether it be to run an errand or do a chore for an elderly neighbor, play a game of pick up ball with your neighbor's kids, or volunteer/donate time/food to the local soup kitchen. It takes a village. Can we just stop the bashing, look around, and figure out what we can all do now and together to make our communities safe. What does all this belittling teach our children? Didn't think anyone (kids) was watching? "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Feb 2, 2010 12:53 PM:

" kathleen, much of what you said is good, and who is to say that many of us are not already doing that, or doing it even before Obama became the President?

My faults with not only him, but with the majority of elected officials (both sides of the fence and even the Independents sitting on the fence), is that they are not listening. What exactly do we vote them in for? To represent us, the majority, or an elite minority that think that they know what is best for us? And this is where I find the most fault with President Obama and his administration. He seems to want to push through his vision of health reform and D**N the torpedos menatality. I don't want a YES man as the president, but at the same time he needs to listen to the majority. The majority appear to want some type of health reform, they just don't want his view only on the issue. "

hanfordian wrote on Feb 2, 2010 4:47 PM:

" I have been a liberal all my adult life. Obama is a sellout and a joke. He cow tows to the special interest groups, just like the rest of'em....best of luck one termer...you suck. "

SJT wrote on Feb 2, 2010 7:09 PM:

" There are issues regarding healthcare that the two parties could come to terms on. Tort reform, for example."

Tort reform serves to reduce payouts for medical malpractice, so by reducing those payouts to acts of malpractice would save insurance companies money; is that the point, RobD? Is it possible that Docs are overcharged for malpractice protection? Do insurance companies not enjoy healthy profits, regardless of limited damage payouts? Looking at their CEO salaries and compensation packages, it would appear that it's not really a problem for them.

Speaking of money - the FY2011 $3.8T budget includes paying MANDATORY $1T interest on previous Republican spending sprees. Gee thanks. Wish we could get compensation for that. Pony-up, GOP.

Polls for the public option ran consistently from 58 to 60% until it was squished by a few - working within Senate super-majority rules. Look for recent news of reconciliation to spur a resurgence of that support. I hope Dems can give Republicans some affordable health care - it might help shut 'em up, or not. "

Skip wrote on Feb 3, 2010 10:12 AM:

" SJT does bring up ONE good point, there are some issues on the health care bill that Republicans agree with. In fact, there are close to 80%. and if 'they' would put all of those issues into one bill, it would easily pass. The dem's took their "all or nothing" attitude because they had the 60 votes, but it didn't work in time. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Feb 3, 2010 12:25 PM:

" to SJT:
A typical post by you, blame everybody else except those that you support. How much of the current debt was created while DEMS were in charge of the House and Senate? If the Health Care bill was so great, then why couldn't the DEMS with a super majority just "get er done"? To blame all of the fiscal problem solely on the REPS shows your bias. I prefer most of the platform of the REPS, but unlike you, I don't place them on a pedastal. They have made mistakes, they do things that I don't approve of, but they also do more things that I approve of then I do of the DEMS agenda.
I am sure you will respond with you one sided views, and that is exactly why the DEMS with a DEM president, a Senate super majority, and a majority in the House couldn't get the job done. Because they only care about their own agenda and how big they can make their own bank account. "

White5000 wrote on Feb 3, 2010 2:37 PM:

" President Obama is the best president we've had since President Carter! Innovative, looking to the future, tacking all the problems left to him by the previous disaster of a president. I fully support the President of the United States. "

kathleen wrote on Feb 3, 2010 3:11 PM:

" I agree. I have a problem with politicians on all sides of the fence. They fight like children, wasting our time and money cause they don't get their way. They work for us, not vice versa. We are so entrenched in the two party system...since the Whigs and Tories. It's pathetic and disgusting. Tired of it. Probably why I declare myself a DS (declines to state). Also, it's pert near impossible for one person whether it be Obama or someone else to get anything done by themselves...it takes teamwork. When we elect public officials, we assume they all know how to play well with others. "

Alihandero wrote on Feb 3, 2010 3:51 PM:

" Republican spending sprees?

Republican spending sprees?

Republicans couldn't have gone on any real or imagined "Republican spending sprees" without the express approval of the liberal progressive Democrats in our government.

Yet now - when it's the minority Republicans' turn to prevent long-term financial ruin of the United States of America - they are called obstructionist and the party of 'no.'

The hypocrisy of the Left makes real Americans see 'red', eh folks? "

Alihandero wrote on Feb 3, 2010 4:06 PM:

" By the way, has anyone else noticed that the leftist bloggers here have not once - since Obama's loss of grace - called out anyone here as being a plain old racist or inferred racial bigotry for criticizing Him?

We ARE indeed post-racial in America, folks, and this man we elected President is failing miserably on his own merits of ability*, priority, and commonsense.

It is not a matter of color, but to character and ability, pure and simple.

_______________________________

* 'ability' is also described by these synonyms in the online dictionary/thesaurus reflecting the President's performance gap so far:

ABILITY:

adroitness, bent, capability, cleverness, command, craft, deftness, expertise, expertness, finesse, flair, genius, gift, handiness, ingenuity, knack, know-how, mastery, mind for, particular activity adeptness, proficiency, savvy, skill, skillfulness, strength, talent, the goods, the right stuff, what it takes.

I personally like "what it takes" and "the right stuff."

Hey Now! "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 3, 2010 6:06 PM:

" Like a spoiled child that can't get his way, Obama is demanding to push forward on his plan to bankrupt our entire country. Through the recent elections the voters have told him to behave, since he can't listen, in the next election the voters will get the belt. "

Paul wrote on Feb 3, 2010 8:19 PM:

" ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 1, 2010 8:37 PM:
" I agree that Obama has every right to question Supreme Court decisions, but when they are guests at your speech"

Believe it or not I live in America not some third world country from which probably wish you belonged to.We CAN and DO criticize whoever we want.

"Some" here including the tea party people CRITICIZE the US GOV'T by saying they hate "big gov't" and now you say well, we can criticize "big gov't" but not our guys in black robes. THEY ARE PART OF BIG GOV'T.

You give us one point then come back and in another point contradict the first point you make. PLEASE answer... what is your point... other than rambling on. And HATING President Obama. Man up.

"Some" make it a point to "sound" just like hannity, beck and everyone else on fox where none have a point they just throw random statements out and hope one sticks. And if none do then they use their catch all phrase, President Obama is a socialist, weak on terrorist, and my favorite, President Obama should be impeached...

for something. "

hanfordian wrote on Feb 4, 2010 1:12 PM:

" TO Paul--
I wish to clarify that I worked the last 13 years at the same job. Prior to that I was employed at the same company for 8 years and so on...
Paul states" I know some who went on to get a college degree and come out better than they were before.

Of course, they didn't sit around and feel sorry for themselves either.
Oh, woe is me. PLEASE."
Paul-I have a college degree. I am a middle aged mother of two trying to make it. My comment pertains to the inconsistancy and seemingly arbitrary nature of UI.

I'm applying everyday and finding it difficult and believe me, I'm not a woe is me, type
Easy, trigger. "

SJT wrote on Feb 4, 2010 5:00 PM:

" How much of the current debt was created while DEMS were in charge of the House and Senate?", asks NHG.

Since very little submitted to Pres. Bush was signed into law, after the '06 mid-term, the answer to your question is: very little.

They did, however, fund his continuing war-of-choice in Iraq, and the war we need to fight in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, the amount of Congressional pork exploded from about 3,000 earmarks in 1996 to more than 13,000 in 2006.

Numbers don't lie, by & large.

Dems were left with an incredible quagmire, the day Pres. Obama took office, but receives nothing from the GOP in terms of bipartisan pragmatism. Republicans in Congress admit to not wanting America to move out of the quagmire (political reasons), and show their intention at each & every turn, with their my-way-or-hiway approach. Lower taxes for the wealthy and don't regulate a thing - trickle-down. Total opposition. So, if I had something good to say about them, I'd say it. You know how that works too, Skip. "

not so fast wrote on Feb 4, 2010 5:27 PM:

" WOW...this is a story about the speech, but the harping is deafening.

For the record...impeachment is ridiculous...even more so than with Bush (43). Nothing he has done rises to that level.

And ANYONE who would equate Obama to the Anti-Christ...or Hitler (like Watchdog Fred used to) needs to have their heads examined. It is just as disgusting now as it was when those on the left spewed that hatred towards Bush (43).

Of course the President used this as a rallying point for his party and the administration, that is part of what the address is for.

The proof will be in the pudding though. And the things he has done since the speech speak volumes about what might be able to happen. The Q&A with the Republicans was a good start. Perhaps some civility will ensue but that is unlikely unless those on the right will bend as well.

An average speech as these go, my thoughts are that a sitting President should NEVER openly challenge ANY supreme court ruling. Plus, continuing to bring up blame for the economy on Bush is inappropriate now...just fix the problems. "

Paul wrote on Feb 4, 2010 8:38 PM:

" hanfordian wrote on Jan 28, 2010 4:50 PM:
" He is phony and I'm sorry I voted for him. 6 months and I get cut

There are rules that must be followed in order for UI to continue "for years" as you claim. They just don't throw you out into the unemployed streets after only 6 months. Every other month it seems that Congress passes some sort of extensions.

"IF" you were dropped you have an appeal process. Did you appeal??

"IF" you have a college degree then put it to use.

I saw a story about a woman on the news awhile back where she had a college degree and she want to work at her daughters school after being laid off. But the only position she was offered was as a volunteer washing trays in the school cafeteria. after a YEAR of this, she was interviewed for secretary for the Principal. SHE GOT THE JOB.

You make it sound as if President Obama had you fired.

YOU don't blame bush and all this started with his trickle down theory and his sound economy. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 4, 2010 9:25 PM:

" Paul when will you ever get it. People have a right to say what they want and that is what the Supreme Court was upholding in that case. Obama was absolutely classless in his comments to them. Paul are you rude to those you invite to your home or to a speech you are giving? Guess what next time they may not show up at all plus they lose all respect for you. You need to defend Obama at all times, sad, but when he does something like this I feel sorry for your need to make excuses for him. I don't get your 3rd world country comment, I'm an American by blood and by birth, more than Obama can prove. I would never betray my country and go to another. I am laughing a little at Dennis, wait until the next unemployment report comes out, I bet you can guess more jobs were lost while Obama was too busy picking on the Supreme Court. I also noticed he never thanked our troops once in his speech... absolutely pathetic. Come on now defend him. "

not so fast wrote on Feb 5, 2010 3:49 PM:

" ToldYouSo...I don't know what speech you were listening to, but here is an excerpt from the text of his speech.

"Tonight, all of our men and women in uniform — in Iraq, in Afghanistan and around the world — they have to know that we — that they have our respect, our gratitude, our full support. And just as they must have the resources they need in war, we all have a responsibility to support them when they come home."

While I don't agree with his statements directly to the court in the speech, I t think you are misrepresenting the decision.

At this link you can read the entire decision yourself.

http://www.supremecourtus.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-205.pdf "

Paul wrote on Feb 5, 2010 4:06 PM:

" ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 4, 2010 9:25 PM:
" I also noticed he never thanked our troops once in his speech... absolutely pathetic."

As returning Vietnam Vets, we were spit on and hated.

President Nixon OR ANYONE ELSE NEVER threw a parade for us, NO ONE never thanked us except for family but they were just glad we had made it back alive.

NOW you defend NIXON a republican, while he was too busy with Watergate.

Many returning Vets left their uniforms in airplanes and trash cans when they returned back to the world because of the shame.

But of course young guys like you (you say) were too young to know, feel or understand that.

You say that you would never betray America...

I say to you, prove it!!!!!

Or are you going to use a republican cop out and say that NOW you are too old??? "

Scott Tucker wrote on Feb 5, 2010 7:12 PM:

" ToldYouSo wrote: "I also noticed he never thanked our troops once in his speech... absolutely pathetic."

Here is what is really pathetic: TYS's outright fabrication of lies.

In his State of the Union Address, President Obama said these words: "Tonight, all of our men and women in uniform -- in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around the world – must know that they have our respect, our gratitude, and our full support."

I guess ToldYouSo doesn't understand the meaning of the word gratitude, either that or he simply only hears what he wants to hear. I would venture to say that both are true. Pathetic indeed. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 5, 2010 8:47 PM:

" Paul I'm not a mind reader so I want to clarify, are you accusing me of being racist??? I don't think I have ever made a single racist remark on this site. Not ever. I preferred Rice to Palin and Rice was much more qualified than Palin and Obama combined. I also believe that Clarence is a wonderful Supreme Court Justice. Obama isn't qualified to empty out his trash bin. By the way, a Republican President put Clarence on the Supreme Court. What have the Dems and libs done for minorities beyond expecting their voting support in exchange for broken promises. "

Skip wrote on Feb 6, 2010 5:08 PM:

" Some jerk talks about numbers not lying, but EVERY spending bill Bush sign in 2006 and after was brought to him by the Dems. Bush spent too much and the Dems are EQUALLY guilty. To blame one party more than the other is just down right ignorant!! "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 6, 2010 10:30 PM:

" Paul when have I defended Nixon or people spitting on you?? Never, right. You can also bet the people that did spit on you were not Republicans they were your fellow liberal and American hating friends. You associate with a great group of people like Scotty but like I've said before you really have your friends and enemies backwards. "

SJT wrote on Feb 7, 2010 8:38 AM:

" ...EVERY spending bill Bush sign in 2006 and after was brought to him by the Dems", Skip states.

Recall Dems not having control of Congress until January, 2007, which would make those Republican spending bills, signed by Pres. Bush in 2006. Subsequent bills presented by Dems, i.e., State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), were vetoed. Funny how after the Dems took Congress that year, that the borrow-and-spend Republicans suddenly found fiscal prudence.

Decaf, Skip. "

Skip wrote on Feb 8, 2010 8:11 AM:

" Your right SJT, I should have, and meant, to say AFTER 2006 because that's when the election was. The fact remains that Dems are EQUALLY responsible for ALL spending bills (with earmarks attached) passed. Can you take any responsibility for that? "

Pete wrote on Feb 8, 2010 10:28 AM:

" I understood what you were saying Skip and you are right. The Libs bring up SCHIP, but that was passed by Dems AND Republicans and not vetoed until well into 2007. Has nothing to do with responsibility on spending bills. Libs will never admit it but they ARE "equally guilty". "

Paul wrote on Feb 8, 2010 4:06 PM:

" Scott Tucker wrote on Feb 5, 2010 7:12 PM:

In his State of the Union Address, President Obama said these words: "Tonight, all of our men and women in uniform -- in Iraq, Afghanistan, and around the world – must know that they have our respect, our gratitude, and our full support."

I think more and more bloggers are understanding your lack of understanding on many of the articles that are presented and discussed here and your TOTAL worship of fox and those that comment there.

Fox news and all those that comment on that show "probably" edited the speech to "fit" their extreme "conservative" agenda. And YOU QUOTED THAT.

Kinda' like the first ever Tea Party Convention held in Tenn. this past weekend.

600 paid convention goers. Now that tys... is a TIDE if ever I saw one.

Puts to shame the 20,000 that was reported by "some" last summer in Tulare.

Or the 1.2 million beck reported by the University of I- don't- remember that "showed" up in Washington.

Yup, fair and balanced with a straight face. "

Paul wrote on Feb 8, 2010 8:46 PM:

" Skip wrote on Feb 8, 2010 8:11 AM:
" Your right SJT, I should have, and meant, to say AFTER 2006 because that's when the election was. The fact remains that Dems are EQUALLY responsible for ALL spending bills (with earmarks attached) passed. Can you take any responsibility for that? "

Just love the way those that supported/continue to support bush always use that same OLD tired line that all those commentators from fox "news" use.

"Well the Democrats are equally to "blame"

They forget the bills bush vetoed designed to help the children of this nation because it was too much "money."

Instead, he gave us the trickle down theory that was going to put everyone back to work. But hey, why are you guys worried "our" economy is sound.

Add that to the list of famous last words. "

Paul wrote on Feb 8, 2010 8:57 PM:

" Alihandero wrote on Feb 3, 2010 3:51 PM:

"Republicans couldn't have gone on any real or imagined "Republican spending sprees" without the express approval of the liberal progressive Democrats in our government."

The republicans were in power from 2000-2006 when they "Tried to usurp the will of the people and will eventually reaped the consequences of a free, proud nation " with all their spending.

But of course, "some" call it being "fiscally conservative" right ali... I mean THAT is what bush was noted for and will go down in history as. "

B. wrote on Feb 9, 2010 7:05 AM:

" Obama said, "You can question my policies without questioning my faith. Or my citizenship," I think he's over-reacting. We're not interested in questioning his policies - just defeating them. "

B. wrote on Feb 9, 2010 7:10 AM:

" Obama's "Chicago Problem" - "Just over a year into his tenure, America's 44th president governs a bitterly divided nation, a world increasingly hard to manage and an America that seems more disillusioned than ever with Washington's ways. "

SuziQ wrote on Feb 9, 2010 12:30 PM:

" Hey paul, are you saying the Dems have NO responsibility for the debt this nation has? Skip DID say Bush spent too much. I think we have a BIG man, LITTLE man situation here. "

Loanman wrote on Feb 9, 2010 12:37 PM:

" Bush vetoed in SCHIP in 2007 because it included adults and illegal immigrants. Democrats AND Republicans had passed the bill. Paul, sorry, but you're way out in space on this one. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Feb 9, 2010 12:39 PM:

" to Paul, there you go again. You don't want to look at others postings and read them for what they are. Yes Bush was president from 2001-2009, Yes he had a simple majority for some of those years. But exactly what year did he pass the first stimulus? And who had the simple majority in the Senate and the Congress at that time? As you have pointed out before the President can't pass any laws, he just signs them into law. So the other poster was correct in citing that the DEMS were culpable also.
But in YOUR world, only the REPS can be blamed for everything, yet I rather like to stick to facts and blame whoever is at fault. Did Bush make mistakes? Yes. Did I voice my concerns over what I felt was wrong? Yes. But you on the other hand have yet to find any fault with Obama! "

RobertD wrote on Feb 9, 2010 12:54 PM:

" So, SJT, you have no problem with the ungodly amount of money that is paid out to malpractice attorneys? Can't there be some middle ground here so that common sense reigns. Granted, there must be malpractice law and insurnace, but the rediculous levels to which it has gone is unforgiveable.

Maybe there is no compromise. Maybe our nation has polarized itself to the extent that no majority will emerge. "

SJT wrote on Feb 9, 2010 4:24 PM:

" (try this again)

Skip wrote on Feb 8, 2010 8:11 AM:
" Your right SJT, I should have, and meant, to say AFTER 2006 ... that Dems are EQUALLY responsible for ALL spending bills (with earmarks attached) passed. Can you take any responsibility for that? "

Fair enough, Skip. When the Tea Partiers put down the hate signs and engage in constructive, civil discussion on issues, then I'd consider it. Until then, I'll call it as I see it. "

SJT wrote on Feb 9, 2010 4:59 PM:

" New WaPo/ABC poll out, showing 63% support for passing health care; want bipartisan solutions to get this done.

Whaddaya think, RobD? "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 9, 2010 5:58 PM:

" Paul not all Republicans think Dems are equally to blame, many of us think they are mostly to blame. Notice, even I don't blame them for everything. "

RobertD wrote on Feb 10, 2010 1:37 PM:

" SJT--I'm sure you are not implying that 63% of Americans supportes the Obama/Reid/Pelosi plan. Sounds like a reasonable poll. I believe 63% of Americans do want some kind of healthcare reform, and demand "bipartisan solutions to get this done." All I am saying is that only a minority of Americans wanted the costly, unmanageable, government-run, single=payer, Obamacare plan. As for the "bipartisan" part...time will tell. "

Skip wrote on Feb 10, 2010 1:41 PM:

" I'd like to be shown someone who doesn't want a positive change to health care. "

SJT wrote on Feb 10, 2010 9:21 PM:

" The only plan for single-payer was a bill sponsored by Dennis Kucinich, in the House, which Pelosi didn't support, as I recall. What Pelosi did and does support, is the public option plan passed in the House. As you know, RobD, polls indicated consistent, solid support for the public option - 58 to 60%. So what are you talking about?

Skip wrote on Feb 10, 2010 1:41 PM:
" I'd like to be shown someone who doesn't want a positive change to health care. "

Skip - that poll mentioned above? It shows that 55% of Republicans want to "give up on comprehensive health-care reform". Additionally, it is clear, since they spend about $1M/day on ads opposing it, the health insurance industry wants no part of reform. If you want reform, quit making lame excuses not to. If you can't trust the CBO, then you're not interested in reform.

BTW - I have a gov't run plan, RobD. My family-plan premiums are under $50/mo., and it works beautifully, for us. DoD proves IT can do gov't health care well. Damn-sure beats tort reform all ta hell. "

SJT wrote on Feb 10, 2010 9:32 PM:

" RobertD wrote on Feb 9, 2010 12:54 PM:
" So, SJT, you have no problem with the ungodly amount of money ..."

Rob, you provide anecdotal "proof" that insurance companies are overly burdened, covering competent Doctors from malpractice suits. Sure would like to see some statistical proof, and what percentage of that actually accounts for overall costs on the system. Ungodly amounts don't cut it, and that's probably why you don't see Dems getting their knickers all in a bunch over it - though I can see why the health insurance industry would. Despite their record profits, those settlements might affect CEO benefit packages, a bit. "

Skip wrote on Feb 11, 2010 12:55 AM:

" SJT, you absolutely DO NOT know what you are talking about! You pick out bits and pieces of this and that to try to state your case, but you cannot HONESTLY say there has been a GOOD health care bill presented to be voted on. The only bill that has been present could not even be passed by a super majority of Democrats. "

RobertD wrote on Feb 11, 2010 1:09 PM:

" SJT--Allow me to be a little more anecdotal. Yes, a majority of Americans believe there has to be some type of reform in the healthcare system. Costs are out of control, etc. That said, I believe Americans have made it crystal clear that the plans floating around in Congress the past year go way beyond what the average perosn wants.

I was hoping you and I could have an honest dialogue but I guess your mental powers crush mine, so I will refrain from addressing you directly anymore. I have agreed with some of your points, but you seem bent on attacking anything I post in an unpleasantly personal way. I have thick skin but grow weary of the tit for tat. "

NotHomeGrown wrote on Feb 11, 2010 3:31 PM:

" to SJT,

Sure wish I had your plan, I too have FEHB, and my "contributions" are over $300 a month. Sad thing about my 2% pay raise, I ended up losing money because my taxes went up and my health insurance premium went up. So much for Obama taking care of me, since I earn only about 1/5th of that magic $250,000 "

Alihandero wrote on Feb 11, 2010 7:44 PM:

" Hey RobertD,

I empathize with your last post.

"SJT" strives to be a Rahm Emanuel here but it turns out he is really more like a "Paul" in pseudo-intellectual clothing. And that's a compliment.

That said, and now 100% on-topic , the title of this article: "Obama vows to fight on" shows that Obama will indeed fight on only for what HE wants for America, which is generally NOT what the voting real Americans want for themselves and their children.

If the real Americans aren't careful, the liberal progressives will wind up morally and fiscally bankrupting our country, leaving mere scraps of our proud heritage for our children to inherit. "

kathleen wrote on Feb 16, 2010 11:00 AM:

" Alihandero; what is post racial exactly? You seem to be the authority on race relations so tell us all, WHAT IS POST RACIAL? And by the way, what are your credentials? I really am interested in what you have to say. WHY? Because on your blogs (which are numerous) you always seem to contradict yourself. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 19, 2010 10:18 PM:

" I have never observed Ali contradicting himself in any of his posts, more likely Kat didn't fully understand what he wrote. "




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