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First Rights: Rising star senator for waterboarding. Do you care?

Riding around Massachusetts in his pickup truck, Scott Brown hit a home run when he insisted: "This is not a Kennedy seat or a Democratic seat. It's the people's seat." For a while, I thought Thomas Jefferson's prophecy might be coming true:

"Whenever the people are well-informed, they can be trusted with their own government. ... Whenever things get so far wrong as to attract their notice, the people, if well informed, may be relied on to set them to rights."

Were I still in Massachusetts, where I grew up, I would have voted -- as an independent libertarian -- for Brown. I would have agreed with at least 64 percent of Massachusetts's large contingent of independent voters who were for him primarily because of the imminent passage of Obamacare. As pollster Tony Fabrizio (New York Post, Jan. 21) confirmed:

"Health care was the top issue in this race and voters were voting against the Obama health-care plan."

The president had reminded many Americans, not only the elderly, that we are all mortal and could be subjected to government rationing not only for our health care, but for our very lives.

I was also attracted to Brown's naturalness. He was not a teleprompter candidate. I even thought he might be a new Paul Revere who -- as Henry Wadsworth Longfellow wrote of the original silversmith -- "in the hour of darkness and peril and need" caused "the people (to) waken."

But the day after Brown's victory, I read in a New York Times report that, "Mr. Brown supports waterboarding as an interrogation technique for terrorism suspects, and opposes civilian trials for them." Revere may have had some doubts about that.

I wondered whether the continually criticized Dick Cheney was elated that Brown agreed with him on waterboarding. I also was surprised that, in the extensive subsequent coverage of Brown I saw, there had been no additional mention of his views on this degree of "coercive" interrogation that would prevent what was extracted by that technique from being allowed as evidence in our courts.

During the cynosural senator's conquering speech the night before, I was not cheered to hear him say that the Constitution does "not grant rights and privileges to enemies in wartime. In dealing with terrorists, our tax dollars should pay for weapons to stop them, not lawyers to defend them."

I was not aware that our government provides tax funds to the ACLU, the Center for Constitutional Rights, and other defenders of such American principles as constitutional due process.

As for Brown's opposition to "giving new rights to terrorists," does he believe that suspects not yet proven to be terrorists -- like those held for years at Guantanamo Bay and now at our Bagram prison in Afghanistan -- are not entitled to any rights at all? This was the extra-judicial position of the previous administration and is increasingly being applied to certain terrorism suspects by the Obama administration.

Brown highlighted his acceptance speech by assuring all of us: "I go to Washington as the representative of no faction or interest, answering only to my conscience and to the people." The Constitution, too?

If I had known about any of these John Yoo-like Brown beliefs, which commendably he does not hide, before the epochal Massachusetts election, I would still have voted for him rather than for a Democrat supporting federal commissions deciding at what point American lives cost too much taxpayer funds to continue.

But now, I strongly hope the press, civil liberties and human-rights organizations will urge Brown to further detail his definition of adhering to American values in defending us against terrorism and against those, including Americans, who allegedly provide them with material support.

For a pressing example of Obama American values, a front-page story in the Jan. 22 Washington Post reported that "A Justice Department-led task force has concluded that nearly 50 of the 196 detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, should be held indefinitely without trial under the laws of war, according to Obama administration officials."

Specifically, Sen. Brown, which laws of war, and which of our laws, legalize indefinite imprisonment despite our own Magna Carta?

President Obama holds that these suspects are considered too dangerous to release, according to the Post report, "and because detainees could challenge evidence obtained through coercion."

Such "detainees" could thereby be kept for the rest of their lives in what opponents of permanent imprisonment rightly call "a legal black hole."

I ask Sen. Scott Brown his reaction to what Justice Thurgood Marshall said in dissent (U.S. v. Salerno, 1987): "Throughout the world today there are men, women, and children interned indefinitely, awaiting trials which may never come or which may be a mockery of the word, because their governments believe them to be 'dangerous.' Our Constitution, whose construction began two centuries ago, can shelter us forever from the evils of such unchecked power."

Has President Obama gone too far beyond the Constitution, Sen. Brown? Said Michael Ratner, president of the Center for Constitutional Rights: "The claim that some ... detainees can't be tried is a pretext that will usher in a scheme that is contrary to 225 years of U.S. law."

So have other "pretexts" in our past until the Constitution was again revived. For example, Japanese-American internment camps in World War II. Permanent imprisonment outside the law will not arouse Americans anywhere near the furious way Obamacare did. Nor will many members of Congress be heard from on this. Do you think Sen. Brown will be one of them? Will you be heard as an American?

Nat Hentoff is a nationally renowned authority on the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights. He is a member of the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, and the Cato Institute, where he is a senior fellow.

(Jan. 29, 2010)

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The following are comments from the readers. In no way do they represent the views of the Hanford Sentinel

Alihandero wrote on Jan 30, 2010 4:12 PM:

" Actually, real American patriots (not jazz reviewers and novelists) DO care about waterboarding...

...they actually want to USE it! "

Scott Tucker wrote on Feb 1, 2010 11:35 AM:

" Wrong again, Alihandero.

According to your own slanted reasoning, you may define yourself as a "real" American, but that is only your myopic definition. Most Americans (including jazz reviewers and novelists) will not stoop to the level that you propose we fall. Torture, including waterboarding, is wrong, and unlike you, real Americans know it and will not condone its practice. "

Alihandero wrote on Feb 4, 2010 6:04 PM:

" Hentoff's byline asks this question:
"First Rights: Rising star senator for waterboarding. Do you care?"

Despite his Alinsky-esque* tactic, Scott Tucker just can't wrap his mind around this fact:
real Americans living in America want to protect Americans.

No Bragg, just fact.

______________________________

*Saul Alinskys' infamous work : "Rules for Radicals," defines Radical Rule #12 as : "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 5, 2010 9:12 PM:

" I'm a real American and all my friends and family are Americans and we all don't care about the rights of terrorists. I would never vote for anyone who is too passive or too soft to use waterboarding to protect our country from people we know are trying to harm us and who are not citizens of this country. Scott, what country do you even claim? "

Paul wrote on Feb 6, 2010 10:06 AM:

" Alihandero wrote on Feb 4, 2010 6:04 PM:

"real Americans living in America want to protect Americans."

Funny ali... republicans wanted the underwear bomber put under military jurisdiction so he could be subject to torture, so that he would rat out his friends.

Now that he is talking at the urging of his family... the republicans want to know why it was "leaked" that he was talking.

Isn't that the point of torture... to make people talk.

And of course bush DID try terrorist in American civilian courts. Which have a better conviction rate than the military courts.

Another fact: the US Courts can impose the death penalty on a terrorist and carried it out against Timmy McVeigh. Good thing bush wasn't in charge cause he would have sent him to Gitmo and probably STILL be there.

Good thing Clinton had him tried in US courts and EXECUTED.

How many were executed under bush????

When was the last time the military executed anyone????

Good thing he and cheney released them and now they are in Yemen plotting the next round of attacks.

Gee... I feel safe. "

Scott Tucker wrote on Feb 6, 2010 12:57 PM:

" Despite his Tuol Sleng tactics and tired arguments, Alihandero, who more or less openly admits to supporting the idea of crimes against humanity, just can't wrap his mind around this very simple fact: real Americans do not condone torture in any form. Period.

No Alihandero-mistruths, just fact. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 6, 2010 10:54 PM:

" Paul I actually agree with you on this one, Bush was way too soft on the terrorists. After what they did to us in 9/11 we should have taken off all the gloves and taken them all out quickly and without any mercy. If Reagan had been in office during the 9/11 attack you would know what I'm talking about. I would love to see a true unbiased national poll of Americans asking if the use of waterboarding should be used on a person who is a recognized or admitted terrorist and who is witholding information that would save American lives. Scott it would be a landslide survey saying we should protect America and American lives and it would not go in favor of "nope just keep them in a safe cell and feed and water them and keep asking them nicely to help us." Like I said before, everyone I know wants it used to extract information if they are refusing to cooperate, you don't need to agree and obviously prefer to be a victim, but you are in the minority. Do you really think Obama stopped doing it? "

Alihandero wrote on Feb 7, 2010 3:47 PM:

" Forgot to add the postscript thought:

On this Super Bowl Sunday - a great 100% American tradition, just a few thoughts I must confess,' to wit:

- I remember the anti-leftist button many real Americans proudly wore back in the day...said "America...Love It or Leave It"

- Pathos is no substitute for common sense...perhaps in Switzerland?

- A scholar once again proves Alinsky is right.

- Real Americans living in America want to protect Americans.

The coin is tossed...time to go.

PS.

Waterboarding is NOT torture but was approved as enhanced interrogation for all the right reasons. "

Mrs.D wrote on Feb 8, 2010 1:09 PM:

" Would you want waterboarding on US POW's by terrorist or enemy combants? Based on most views here, of course, you do!

Way to go, patriots. "

Paul wrote on Feb 8, 2010 9:42 PM:

" ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 6, 2010 10:54 PM:
" Like I said before, everyone I know wants it used to extract information if they are refusing to cooperate,"

Like you said or like cheney and bush (and of course fox) said. AND who are these "everyone" you know??? Are they "real" or just in your tea party imagination???

If there was a survey taken I think most Americans would agree that TORTURE is/was never needed.

"Some" don't see the flip side to all this. America was the one who put ALL THESE LAWS on the books that pertain to WATER BOARDING.

WHY??? you ask. SIMPLE

TO protect American GI'S from getting it done to them.

FUNNY how those that have NEVER EXPERIENCED anything like this are the one's who say we should do it the most.

Next time write a letter to McCain and ask him WHY he's against water boarding and WHY HE CALL it torture.. "

SuziQ wrote on Feb 10, 2010 1:45 PM:

" Why would any enemy waste their time torturing one of our GI's? All they have to do for information is to ask a Lib or The New York Times! "

the oracle wrote on Feb 10, 2010 7:56 PM:

" All the liberals want to namby pamby their way through these difficult issues. Waterboarding works and it IS done on our troops in training them. Liberals dont like enemy combatants being exposed to cold/heat, loud music, etc. They would rather they get full rights granted to AMERICAN citizens, 3 meals a day, a couple lawyers from the ACLU, and a jail cell with prayer rugs and arrows pointing towards the direction to pray. Americans want their country and their families protected. They will support whatever means accomplish that. Stand by people...when our enemies clack off a dirty bomb or biologics in one of our cities, they wont care if we yank fingernails out to stop the next attack and save their lives. Philosophical discussions stop when reality sets in. These people cannot be negotiated or reasoned with. They truly believe tht either you convert to Islam, or you MUST be killed..That is their belief system. Liberals just cannot wrap their brains around this issue, and it places us in more danger when our enemies perceive us as weak. Terrorists belong in military tribunals, AFTER interrogation "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 10, 2010 9:55 PM:

" The Oracle said it perfectly.

Mrs D you convenitently forget how the "enemy" electrically tortured a captured US female prisoner and have actually be-headed many people too. Who is really engaging in torture?

Sorry Paul, this time its an eye for an eye and I don't want to turn the other cheek anymore. "

ToldYouSo wrote on Feb 16, 2010 6:04 PM:

" Too bad we can't use more efficient methods of questioning on the Taliban like boiling in oil. It's amazing how more advanced the old generations were than the modern day liberals. "




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